The Irish getting over confident

[Torquemada 1420]

[Torquemada 1420]

Only about two weeks too late with that story Torq

Been away so only just picked up on it. Sorry!

[Uncle fester]

They also tried to sell some where they completely forgot to put the crest on the jersey.

[Torquemada 1420]

They also tried to sell some where they completely forgot to put the crest on the jersey.

[Zig]

The new shirt is designed never to be seen again.

There's an arrogance in thinking this team won't win the World Cup and that abomination won't haunt Irish rugby for generations.

[Zig]

The new shirt is designed never to be seen again.

There's an arrogance in thinking this team won't win the World Cup and that abomination won't haunt Irish rugby for generations.

I don't understand the order of those words

I was talking about the new Irish national team shirt, not the troll/bait thing.

[Jethro]

The new shirt is designed never to be seen again.

There's an arrogance in thinking this team won't win the World Cup and that abomination won't haunt Irish rugby for generations.

I don't understand the order of those words

I was talking about the new Irish national team shirt, not the troll/bait thing.

Think it has more to do with:

"There's an arrogance in thinking this team won't win the World Cup"

So are you saying everyone who doesn't think Ireland will win the World Cup is arrogant? That's some level of delusion there Bro.

[Slick]

Agree. But can we please have a WR ruling that Ireland are not allowed to have any commentators

[Tichtheid]

Agree. But can we please have a WR ruling that Ireland are not allowed to have any commentators

Who is the pundit?

I turned the match off because of him and generally I support Ireland against most teams

[Slick]

Agree. But can we please have a WR ruling that Ireland are not allowed to have any commentators

Who is the pundit?

I turned the match off because of him and generally I support Ireland against most teams

No idea, just another one off the line of unbearable Irish commentators

[Tichtheid]

He sounds great

He's sounds like you

[PornDog]

Don't know what feed you've got, but you've probably Hugh Cahill or Ryle Nugent - both fucking atrocious.

Donal Lenihan is on co-coms with Cahill and he's a stone cold legend, even If he is from Cork.

[sturginho]

Ah shit!

[Uncle fester]

P.s. torq that's not an Irish jersey in the OP.

[Torquemada 1420]

Ire continue to be the master cheats at the breakdown and it really requires decent reffing to deal with it: unlike Raynal not yellowing the blatant and cynical infringements at the end there. The usual cop out of "well, the underdog was going to lose anyway, so it doesn't matter".

[Jim Lahey]

How did Dropdale play?
Tom Stewart get on for a cameo?

[Uncle fester]

Stewart was very good.

[Torquemada 1420]

Ire continue to be the master cheats at the breakdown and it really requires decent reffing to deal with it: unlike Raynal not yellowing the blatant and cynical infringements at the end there. The usual cop out of "well, the underdog was going to lose anyway, so it doesn't matter".

Yawn. Just yawn. I saw one occasion Ireland got the timing wrong. One

I don't think they ever get it wrong. It's all deliberate. That kicking the ball out of the ruck at the end when Ita were already under adv for another ruck infringement was as plain a yellow as you'd ever see. Abysmal officiating.

[PornDog]

The ruck is a fucking shambles across the entire sport. All teams are sealing off, hands in the ruck, in at the side all the fucking time. It's an absolute disgrace and World Rugby are entirely asleep at the wheel.

You only see the instances when green shirts are guilty of it though, because you are a miserable joyless one eyed cunt!

[CM11]

Ire continue to be the master cheats at the breakdown and it really requires decent reffing to deal with it: unlike Raynal not yellowing the blatant and cynical infringements at the end there. The usual cop out of "well, the underdog was going to lose anyway, so it doesn't matter".

Interesting you only spot the stuff that the ref gets wrong in our favour and never the blatant stuff that goes against us. One of which cost us a try.

[Camroc2]

Ire continue to be the master cheats at the breakdown and it really requires decent reffing to deal with it: unlike Raynal not yellowing the blatant and cynical infringements at the end there. The usual cop out of "well, the underdog was going to lose anyway, so it doesn't matter".

Yawn. Just yawn. I saw one occasion Ireland got the timing wrong. One

I don't think they ever get it wrong. It's all deliberate. That kicking the ball out of the ruck at the end when Ita were already under adv for another ruck infringement was as plain a yellow as you'd ever see. Abysmal officiating.

Ball was out, beyond the hindmost foot, ruck over.

[Torquemada 1420]

Ire continue to be the master cheats at the breakdown and it really requires decent reffing to deal with it: unlike Raynal not yellowing the blatant and cynical infringements at the end there. The usual cop out of "well, the underdog was going to lose anyway, so it doesn't matter".

Interesting you only spot the stuff that the ref gets wrong in our favour and never the blatant stuff that goes against us. One of which cost us a try.

Probably because I only saw the very end of the game: I was watching the SA game and only switched when that was a done deal. And the fact remains that Ire are the biggest breakdown cheats in rugby.

[Torquemada 1420]

Yawn. Just yawn. I saw one occasion Ireland got the timing wrong. One

I don't think they ever get it wrong. It's all deliberate. That kicking the ball out of the ruck at the end when Ita were already under adv for another ruck infringement was as plain a yellow as you'd ever see. Abysmal officiating.

Ball was out, beyond the hindmost foot, ruck over.

Which is why the ref awarded another pen

[Uncle fester]

Ire continue to be the master cheats at the breakdown and it really requires decent reffing to deal with it: unlike Raynal not yellowing the blatant and cynical infringements at the end there. The usual cop out of "well, the underdog was going to lose anyway, so it doesn't matter".

Interesting you only spot the stuff that the ref gets wrong in our favour and never the blatant stuff that goes against us. One of which cost us a try.

Probably because I only saw the very end of the game: I was watching the SA game and only switched when that was a done deal. And the fact remains that Ire are the biggest breakdown cheats in rugby.

[PornDog]

Ah, the old "I may not know what I'm talking about, but I just don't like those people" defence!

[CM11]

Ire continue to be the master cheats at the breakdown and it really requires decent reffing to deal with it: unlike Raynal not yellowing the blatant and cynical infringements at the end there. The usual cop out of "well, the underdog was going to lose anyway, so it doesn't matter".

Interesting you only spot the stuff that the ref gets wrong in our favour and never the blatant stuff that goes against us. One of which cost us a try.

Probably because I only saw the very end of the game: I was watching the SA game and only switched when that was a done deal. And the fact remains that Ire are the biggest breakdown cheats in rugby.

[Torquemada 1420]

Ah, the old "I may not know what I'm talking about, but I just don't like those people" defence!

Except every other fan in the world thinks Ire are the uber breakdown cheats whereas only the Irish protest otherwise. Given then that everyone else had everyone else to level that accusation at other than at the Irish................

[PornDog]

Ah, the old "I may not know what I'm talking about, but I just don't like those people" defence!

Except every other fan in the world thinks Ire are the uber breakdown cheats whereas only the Irish protest otherwise. Given then that everyone else had everyone else to level that accusation at other than at the Irish................

Nobody else, not even Ulster fans, are anywhere near as big a one eyed miserable whingeing cunt as you. And I feel confident that at least 80% of the rest of the bored would agree with me!

The ruck is a fucking shambles across the entire sport. All teams are sealing off, hands in the ruck, in at the side all the fucking time. It's an absolute disgrace and World Rugby are entirely asleep at the wheel.

You only see the instances when green shirts are guilty of it though, because you are a miserable joyless one eyed cunt!

I stand by that 100% - especially the last sentence.

[Sandstorm]

Ah, the old "I may not know what I'm talking about, but I just don't like those people" defence!

Except every other fan in the world thinks Ire are the uber breakdown cheats whereas only the Irish protest otherwise. Given then that everyone else had everyone else to level that accusation at other than at the Irish................

I hate supporting Torq, but he's right:

"Ireland are the biggest breakdown cheats in 2023."

[Slick]

Ah, the old "I may not know what I'm talking about, but I just don't like those people" defence!

Except every other fan in the world thinks Ire are the uber breakdown cheats whereas only the Irish protest otherwise. Given then that everyone else had everyone else to level that accusation at other than at the Irish................

I hate supporting Torq, but he's right:

"Ireland are the biggest breakdown cheats in 2023."

Even more than that, I hate disagreeing with PornDog, but he's wrong

"Ireland are the biggest breakdown cheats in 2023."

[PornDog]

I didn't say Ireland weren't the biggest breakdown cheats (though I do think that's most likely bollox), what I said was -

1. The ruck is a fucking mess, everyone cheats and most importantly is allowed to cheat
2. Torq only sees the instances when Ireland are at it because.....
3. Torq is a miserable one eyed cunt
4. the vast majority of the bored would agree that Torq is a miserable one eyed cunt!


I didn't bring it up with Torq because I have no doubt he didn't watch it, but you should have Sandstrom - go back and watch the URC final. If the match got into double figures for the rucks where somebody wasn't lying on top of the ball off their feet then I'd be amazed. It was fucking awful, by both sides equally. The European final wasn't much better. Everyone's fucking at it, not just Ireland!

[Torquemada 1420]

I didn't say Ireland weren't the biggest breakdown cheats (though I do think that's most likely bollox), what I said was -

1. The ruck is a fucking mess, everyone cheats and most importantly is allowed to cheat
2. Torq only sees the instances when Ireland are at it because.....
3. Torq is a miserable one eyed cunt
4. the vast majority of the bored would agree that Torq is a miserable one eyed cunt!


I didn't bring it up with Torq because I have no doubt he didn't watch it, but you should have Sandstrom - go back and watch the URC final. If the match got into double figures for the rucks where somebody wasn't lying on top of the ball off their feet then I'd be amazed. It was fucking awful, by both sides equally. The European final wasn't much better. Everyone's fucking at it, not just Ireland!

1. I'm not disagreeing with you in regards the breakdown. And some of it is so easily made better: simply disallow anyone from pushing in a ruck without first properly binding with an opponent. It's how we took the "hit" out at the scrum. That would stop the exoceting at least.
4. May well be true............ but has nothing to do with the factual accuracy you are denying in 2.

[CM11]

It's ridiculous to suggest we get away with stuff at the breakdown more than anyone else (on average).

In general you will miss the stuff your own team does and zone in on the opposition or teams you don't like. NZ had it for years as number 1 and we're getting it now. It's pure bias and the concept that torque in particular is able to be objective on, well, anything is laughable but particularly so when it comes to Ireland.

[Sandstorm]

It's ridiculous to suggest we get away with stuff at the breakdown more than anyone else (on average).

No it isn't. You only have to glance at the breakdown to see Irish players cheating. It's endemic.

[JM2K6]

Regardless of the truth of the matter, there's no way this is a "NZ used to get it, now we're getting it because we're number one" scenario. Ireland's approach to the breakdown and "success" has been a topic of much debate for a long time, well before Ireland got good.

[Jim Lahey]

I see we are cheating again, getting Jonny a behind-closed-doors game this week against the Portuguese.

So much cheating right now. Rucking, Sexton, Leinster trying to claim a 5th HEC etc. etc.

[Sandstorm]

I see we are cheating again, getting Jonny a behind-closed-doors game this week against the Portuguese.

So much cheating right now. Rucking, Sexton, Leinster trying to claim a 5th HEC etc. etc.

Glad someone in Ireland is coming out and admitting it. You are one of the good ones, Jimmy.

I'm still hoping for a clean & fair quarter-final for Ireland.

[Jim Lahey]

I see we are cheating again, getting Jonny a behind-closed-doors game this week against the Portuguese.

So much cheating right now. Rucking, Sexton, Leinster trying to claim a 5th HEC etc. etc.

Glad someone in Ireland is coming out and admitting it. You are one of the good ones, Jimmy.

I'm still hoping for a clean & fair quarter-final for Ireland.

I'm just hoping the lads give it a lash and nobody gets hurt.

[CM11]

Regardless of the truth of the matter, there's no way this is a "NZ used to get it, now we're getting it because we're number one" scenario. Ireland's approach to the breakdown and "success" has been a topic of much debate for a long time, well before Ireland got good.

So what's your timeframe for that?

But whether you want to admit it or not, there's been far more biased, negative comments against Ireland over the last year or two than before. Generally posters try to be positive about weaker teams and are negative against stronger teams. Scotland, in particular, get so much leeway in this regard.

Ireland have consistently been one of the best disciplined teams over the last 10 years. You think every single ref is wrong and you're right?

[Slick]

It's ridiculous to suggest we get away with stuff at the breakdown more than anyone else (on average).

No it isn't. You only have to glance at the breakdown to see Irish players cheating. It's endemic.

This.

The European games were reffed properly and we saw the results. I think we all hoped that was refs finally growing balls and being directed to focus on the cheating but the weekend suggests it was just a one off, sadly.