The Future for NPR

[Slick]

Just a few thoughts I've been having since a conversation with Un Pilier yesterday and seeing comments like this floating about

Yesterday’s Semi final match thread on PR had twice as many shitfight posts as anything to do with the actual rugby

I think most of us on here appreciate the slightly slower pace, less dickheads, more actual discussion and less shitfights. So why doesn't NPR proactively move towards that model and use it as a differentiator from PR. This is run by an unpaid individual and the mods are unpaid individuals (sincere thanks chaps) so we don't have to follow any PR rules, written or unwritten. Why don't we make NPR the place to come for decent chat and discussion without the dickhead trolling and constant shitfights.

I'm not suggesting we can't have arguments and the odd emotional meltdown and well as all the fun of the fair, and everyone should be able to call JMK a cunt at least once (maybe twice?) a week, but what's the point of us putting up with the likes of Muttonbird, just zap the cunt and move on. If you can't behave yourself get zapped. Collective punishment for Swarming etc, our bored, our rules, like it or not. Might even encourage lurkers to get more involved.

If folk want to move between the 2 then that's great, but on this one we have proper chat, discussion and well placed spite.

Just a thought

[MungoMan]

Just a few thoughts I've been having since a conversation with Un Pilier yesterday and seeing comments like this floating about

Yesterday’s Semi final match thread on PR had twice as many shitfight posts as anything to do with the actual rugby

I think most of us on here appreciate the slightly slower pace, less dickheads, more actual discussion and less shitfights. So why doesn't NPR proactively move towards that model and use it as a differentiator from PR. This is run by an unpaid individual and the mods are unpaid individuals (sincere thanks chaps) so we don't have to follow any PR rules, written or unwritten. Why don't we make NPR the place to come for decent chat and discussion without the dickhead trolling and constant shitfights.

I'm not suggesting we can't have arguments and the odd emotional meltdown and well as all the fun of the fair, and everyone should be able to call JMK a cunt at least once (maybe twice?) a week, but what's the point of us putting up with the likes of Muttonbird, just zap the cunt and move on. If you can't behave yourself get zapped. Collective punishment for Swarming etc, our bored, our rules, like it or not. Might even encourage lurkers to get more involved.

If folk want to move between the 2 then that's great, but on this one we have proper chat, discussion and well placed spite.

Just a thought

Here's another thought. This quote is fucking bollocks:

Yesterday’s Semi final match thread on PR had twice as many shitfight posts as anything to do with the actual rugby

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[Slick]

MODS!

[ASMO]

All good thoughts, the future of this place is what you make it really, i will add functionality if enough people want it, and we are trying to be hands off as much as possible and allow this place to self moderate.

Of course intervention will be needed and the mods will do so, i think we have only had 1 temp exclusion in the time we have been up and one ask to be deleted. Users have some tools at their disposal in the foe function so you cant see what they post. But my steer is dont engage, and unless they have multiple personalities a la QP who would pick and argument with himself, they will get bored and fade away.

Persistant PITA will of course be removed.

Take a week off.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

I rarely go to PR these days as my needs are largely catered for here.

That to me is the sign of a thriving forum.

[FujiKiwi]

I think Slick has a nerve, addressing his suggestions to ASMO directly like this, without going through his captain, Northern Lights.

I feel like he has left ASMO no choice but to make an example of Slick by throwing him in the sin bin for ten weeks.

[MungoMan]

I think Slick has a nerve, addressing his suggestions to ASMO directly like this, without going through his captain, Northern Lights.

I feel like he has left ASMO no choice but to make an example of Slick by throwing him in the sin bin for ten weeks.

A man with a good grasp of the protocols by which we stay civilised.

[JM2K6]

I honestly don't see much difference between here and PR from a posting perspective. Obviously technically it's far superior. But should we get more posters I think the two forums would be basically indistinguishable.

edit: By the way, the idea of "ignore them and they'll go away" has never worked. It's asking too much for everyone else to be responsible for denying one person oxygen, and we've seen at PR and on the wider internet at large that it simply is not a realistic approach. But I accept that this forum is largely based on the idea that no-one really wants strict moderation.

[Chilli]

Once the Rugby starts in the land of the RWC Trophy Holders we will have more involvement and more threads with our own, unique, shit fights.
The one ex PR, ex Keo troll troll decided to leave. So it is only the green whatever left as a proper troll.

Before a poster is a problem he or she should be warned and then chopped. Posters who whinge and complain should leave an post elsewhere.
I like it here.

TEAM BRAAI!

[Kawazaki]

Just wanted to say it wasn't me.

[Un Pilier]

I rarely go to PR these days as my needs are largely catered for here.

That to me is the sign of a thriving forum.

Me too. I can’t remember the last time I posted on PR though I have popped in a few times.

I like Slick’s mission statement of “proper chat, discussion and well placed spite”

[Munch]

All good points. This place is far more civilised, far more laid back and far more welcoming and if anyone doesn't like that they can f**k off.

In all seriousness, I think that we will unfortunately need some more active modding once things kick off internationally. If you want to maintain a laidback vibe, then you have to put effort in. #Paradox

[Muttonbird]

That carry on the other day was embarrassing for a forum which is supposed to be all yoga/meditative. Love the way the OP calls out for removal just the one poster by name.

NPR should be renamed VPR - Very Planet Rugby.

[And 1 guest]

Let's look forward to seeing some proper rugby. Then I think this forum will grow.

[Dismal Pillock]

Have "Ali's Choice" etc gone back to PR?

I think most of us on here appreciate the slightly slower pace, less dickheads, more actual discussion and less shitfights. So why doesn't NPR proactively move towards that model and use it as a differentiator from PR.

Sounds great in theory but... isn't it much the same people here as there?

Maybe some sort of concerted membership registration drive-by pamphleteering job on PR to attract members?

[OomStruisbaai]

Once the Rugby starts in the land of the RWC Trophy Holders we will have more involvement and more threads with our own, unique, shit fights.
The one ex PR, ex Keo troll troll decided to leave. So it is only the green whatever left as a proper troll.

Before a poster is a problem he or she should be warned and then chopped. Posters who whinge and complain should leave an post elsewhere.
I like it here.

TEAM BRAAI!

All the Saffers not in team Braai should get at least one week to get their act together!

[OomStruisbaai]

Have "Ali's Choice" etc gone back to PR?

I think most of us on here appreciate the slightly slower pace, less dickheads, more actual discussion and less shitfights. So why doesn't NPR proactively move towards that model and use it as a differentiator from PR.

Sounds great in theory but... isn't it much the same people here as there?

Maybe some sort of concerted membership registration drive-by pamphleteering job on PR to attract members?

Ja thank vok, you should follow him.

[Dismal Pillock]

Ja thank vok, you should follow him.

haha, so this is where PaarlkBok has washed up. Banned from every other rugger forum for being such a raging bleck-hating Afrikaner racist and here he fucken is

Give my regards to the Mengele's you sad old nazi cunt!

Enough of the personal attack please, Oom has not demonstrated a single thing you have described there on this forum, if you have a problem with him please take it off this bored, thankyou. (no issue with you calling him a cunt or telling him to fuck off by the way, but not having the racist label used here, that's a step too far)

[Random1]

I honestly don't see much difference between here and PR from a posting perspective. Obviously technically it's far superior. But should we get more posters I think the two forums would be basically indistinguishable.

edit: By the way, the idea of "ignore them and they'll go away" has never worked. It's asking too much for everyone else to be responsible for denying one person oxygen, and we've seen at PR and on the wider internet at large that it simply is not a realistic approach. But I accept that this forum is largely based on the idea that no-one really wants strict moderation.

Two differences for me;

1 - I’ve just mentioned on another thread (before I even saw this thread) that people tend to play the ball here and not the man. The topics of debate have been really interesting and civil for the most part and ad hominem stuff is few and far between.

2 - the slower pace means that the threads don’t go all tangential at such a pace, so people who post every couple of days don’t have to trawl 15 pages to see what people have said, and so they (I) still feel part of the conversation rather than a spectator.

[ASMO]

NPR will make its own future, this is not Planet Rugby (see what i did there) and it is definately not trying to copy it. This forum will never be monetised, no ads and no agenda, people come here because they want to and enjoy it, or if they prefer a bit more rough and tumble they can go elsewhere. Fortunately the small numbers means the trolls and troublemakers are easier to spot and manage, and to be fair we have not really had to intervene much at all in the 9 months or so we have been going. All of the mods are posters first and mods a very distant second.

Do i want to go out and try to attract more people? No, people will find their way here and either choose to stay ot not, or more likely have a presence on a number of boreds, we run this for the enjoyment of it and for no other reason. Of course i am always open to suggestions, but everyone has to remember that this is done in the margins of my real life so i may not have time to do everything everyone wants so i have to find a balance.

[Insane_Homer]

I think the way it has been run up to now speaks for itself. It's for the most part self policing and proper annoying cunts from PR, for the most part, soon give up and piss off on their own volition.

[JM2K6]

I honestly don't see much difference between here and PR from a posting perspective. Obviously technically it's far superior. But should we get more posters I think the two forums would be basically indistinguishable.

edit: By the way, the idea of "ignore them and they'll go away" has never worked. It's asking too much for everyone else to be responsible for denying one person oxygen, and we've seen at PR and on the wider internet at large that it simply is not a realistic approach. But I accept that this forum is largely based on the idea that no-one really wants strict moderation.

Two differences for me;

1 - I’ve just mentioned on another thread (before I even saw this thread) that people tend to play the ball here and not the man. The topics of debate have been really interesting and civil for the most part and ad hominem stuff is few and far between.

2 - the slower pace means that the threads don’t go all tangential at such a pace, so people who post every couple of days don’t have to trawl 15 pages to see what people have said, and so they (I) still feel part of the conversation rather than a spectator.

Both of these are just an artefact of the fact we have very few people, tbh.

[ASMO]

Over 600 registered users, but regular posters, maybe 30 or 40, thats fine by me.

[Lemoentjie]

PR is almost unreadable. All the threads except very country specific threads are just polluted with aggressive English and Irish.

[Slick]

Over 600 registered users, but regular posters, maybe 30 or 40, thats fine by me.

Yes, would be good to nudge up the regular users a little but there are actually plenty of lurkers who might join in at some stage

[OomStruisbaai]

Ja thank vok, you should follow him.

haha, so this is where PaarlkBok has washed up. Banned from every other rugger forum for being such a raging bleck-hating Afrikaner racist and here he fucken is

Give my regards to the Mengele's you sad old nazi cunt!

Enough of the personal attack please, Oom has not demonstrated a single thing you have described there on this forum, if you have a problem with him please take it off this bored, thankyou. (no issue with you calling him a cunt or telling him to fuck off by the way, but not having the racist label used here, that's a step too far)

For the record I haven't been ban from any forum.

and Pollock, its my way of welcome you here, vokof nOOp kont.

[Torquemada 1420]

I'm not suggesting we can't have arguments and the odd emotional meltdown and well as all the fun of the fair, and everyone should be able to call JMK a cunt at least once (maybe twice?) a week, but what's the point of us putting up with the likes of Muttonbird, just zap the cunt and move on. I

[SaintK]

NPR will make its own future, this is not Planet Rugby (see what i did there) and it is definately not trying to copy it. This forum will never be monetised, no ads and no agenda, people come here because they want to and enjoy it, or if they prefer a bit more rough and tumble they can go elsewhere. Fortunately the small numbers means the trolls and troublemakers are easier to spot and manage, and to be fair we have not really had to intervene much at all in the 9 months or so we have been going. All of the mods are posters first and mods a very distant second.

Do i want to go out and try to attract more people? No, people will find their way here and either choose to stay ot not, or more likely have a presence on a number of boreds, we run this for the enjoyment of it and for no other reason. Of course i am always open to suggestions, but everyone has to remember that this is done in the margins of my real life so i may not have time to do everything everyone wants so i have to find a balance.

Fair call and well done

[Slick]

NPR will make its own future, this is not Planet Rugby (see what i did there) and it is definately not trying to copy it. This forum will never be monetised, no ads and no agenda, people come here because they want to and enjoy it, or if they prefer a bit more rough and tumble they can go elsewhere. Fortunately the small numbers means the trolls and troublemakers are easier to spot and manage, and to be fair we have not really had to intervene much at all in the 9 months or so we have been going. All of the mods are posters first and mods a very distant second.

Do i want to go out and try to attract more people? No, people will find their way here and either choose to stay ot not, or more likely have a presence on a number of boreds, we run this for the enjoyment of it and for no other reason. Of course i am always open to suggestions, but everyone has to remember that this is done in the margins of my real life so i may not have time to do everything everyone wants so i have to find a balance.

Good post mate

[Torquemada 1420]

but everyone has to remember that this is done in the margins of my real life so i may not have time to do everything everyone wants so i have to find a balance.

What? You mean you aren't living through this board vicariously?

Well that's one clear difference with PR.

[Insane_Homer]

but everyone has to remember that this is done in the margins of my real life so i may not have time to do everything everyone wants so i have to find a balance.

What? You mean you aren't living through this board vicariously?

Well that's one clear difference with PR.

[Dismal Pillock]

and Pollock, its my way of welcome you here, vokof nOOp kont.

I am sorry for accusing you of being in cahoots with the Mengele's.

[Line6 HXFX]

I mean when you distill it, what is a rugby forum? Some say it is a club house...yet most club houses I have been to are the same as pubs, with groups that keep to themselves, and people who know eachother by sight but that rarely talk with eachother, and who keep to their own cliques and amonsgst the people they know and trust.
You don't jump from one group and start giving another group shit, whilst deriding all their teams achievements..as you will be given short shrift..
You can do all this on a rugby forum.

What is rugby, it is just a professional product like any other, that wants people to pay lots to go see it, and uses every trick in the marketing manual, and some besides..from nationalism, grievance, culture, politics, class and controversy to keep people talking and interested in the fact you just travelled 25 miles and watched 5 dropped scrums in 20 minutes and paid about 14 quid for the priviledge.


Stick the two together and what do you have?
Just a slightly mean, narrative generating machine.
Like toothpaste, rugby at the end if the day is just a professional product.
Not even your earner, someone elses.
With that in mind, it is truly pathetic to even care.
We are basically on the equivelent of a forum for dental floss, and don't even know it.

[TB63]

Anybody else read that with Nigel from the Young Ones voice?..

[SaintK]

Anybody else read that with Nigel from the Young Ones voice?..

Or that bundle of fun Marvin

[TB63]

..

[Ymx]

I honestly don't see much difference between here and PR from a posting perspective. Obviously technically it's far superior. But should we get more posters I think the two forums would be basically indistinguishable.

edit: By the way, the idea of "ignore them and they'll go away" has never worked. It's asking too much for everyone else to be responsible for denying one person oxygen, and we've seen at PR and on the wider internet at large that it simply is not a realistic approach. But I accept that this forum is largely based on the idea that no-one really wants strict moderation.

Two differences for me;

1 - I’ve just mentioned on another thread (before I even saw this thread) that people tend to play the ball here and not the man. The topics of debate have been really interesting and civil for the most part and ad hominem stuff is few and far between.

2 - the slower pace means that the threads don’t go all tangential at such a pace, so people who post every couple of days don’t have to trawl 15 pages to see what people have said, and so they (I) still feel part of the conversation rather than a spectator.

Both of these are just an artefact of the fact we have very few people, tbh.

If you say so. I think it’s more a cultural trait of the place now.

Though whatever it is, posters seem to stop themselves more over here. And often take a breath or apologise.

[Random1]

I honestly don't see much difference between here and PR from a posting perspective. Obviously technically it's far superior. But should we get more posters I think the two forums would be basically indistinguishable.

edit: By the way, the idea of "ignore them and they'll go away" has never worked. It's asking too much for everyone else to be responsible for denying one person oxygen, and we've seen at PR and on the wider internet at large that it simply is not a realistic approach. But I accept that this forum is largely based on the idea that no-one really wants strict moderation.

Two differences for me;

1 - I’ve just mentioned on another thread (before I even saw this thread) that people tend to play the ball here and not the man. The topics of debate have been really interesting and civil for the most part and ad hominem stuff is few and far between.

2 - the slower pace means that the threads don’t go all tangential at such a pace, so people who post every couple of days don’t have to trawl 15 pages to see what people have said, and so they (I) still feel part of the conversation rather than a spectator.

Both of these are just an artefact of the fact we have very few people, tbh.

Yeah, think you’re right.

It’s like a local pub compared to a weatherspoons.

Quieter, and better for it.

[Muttonbird]

Two differences for me;

1 - I’ve just mentioned on another thread (before I even saw this thread) that people tend to play the ball here and not the man. The topics of debate have been really interesting and civil for the most part and ad hominem stuff is few and far between.

2 - the slower pace means that the threads don’t go all tangential at such a pace, so people who post every couple of days don’t have to trawl 15 pages to see what people have said, and so they (I) still feel part of the conversation rather than a spectator.

Both of these are just an artefact of the fact we have very few people, tbh.

If you say so. I think it’s more a cultural trait of the place now.

Though whatever it is, posters seem to stop themselves more over here. And often take a breath or apologise.

Hasn't stopped Slick creating threads calling for people to be banned, has it?

[Slick]

Managed to get laid yet?