Dinghy arrivals / asylum seekers / gimmegrants

[David in Gwent]

If it is DAC (and if so, hi, and hope you are well), then this bit is certainly true. Get him and J2M together and all Swarm records will be obliterated.

Hey Torq, good thank you, hope you're well too.

Hah. Yeah. Just older and slower. Thought about you a few weeks back when passing through Newport.

Doors kept locked I assume?

[C69]

Suggesting that the Tories are Fascists is just silly.

[shaggy]

Not wishing to step into your Friday pm fun but for vast majority of people the Nazi party equates to concentration camps and mass extermination. The nuances listed above just fly above most peoples heads and you lose the argument.

This can be a great place to learn and exchange views but the ability to actually step outside of your view and see how it lands on other party is completing missing from most discussions.

As you were.

[shaggy]

You are being disingenuous here. Sure, that's true enough but
a) That absolutely does not give you a "no" get out. At best, it's an "also".
b) And it's irrelevant. Rightly the Nazis are the benchmark for various, heinous policies and, that's a key point. The Tories don't have to be mimic every Nazi policy to fall foul of what this debate started being about i.e. Nazi like behaviour.

But the Nazi's didn't invent the kind of policies you're alluding to, so they can't be the benchmark. They can only be the benchmark for rabid Anti-semitism (see UK Labour party) and the genocide of millions of innocents.

C'mon. You don't need me to explain to you that a benchmark need not be the standard set by the originator. In fact, it rarely is. By definition a benchmark is the peak of something and so nearly always likely to change early on. The Nazis are the benchmark because they were pretty much the worst incarnation of right wing extremism, just as Stalin was for the left.

They can be the benchmark for very many right wing behaviours, politics and traits. Your trying to limit them to a Family Guy 1D panto villain solely characterised by anti-semitism is a massive slur to the millions of others the Nazis killed. And need I remind you, I am sure I am the only PR member who had a close family friend who was an Auschwitz survivor. And neither he, nor any of his murdered family was Jewish.

Wrong.

[Tichtheid]

The are not similar in any way specifically to the Nazi party

Finally!

Wrong, but finally.

This is edited for brevity from an article in the Mirror, the details can be checked if the source is the problem

1. The hostile environment
In 2012, Home Secretary Theresa May said she wanted to create "a really hostile environment for illegal immigrants". She was warned by internal reviews that her Immigration Bill would deny housing, driving licences, and bank accounts to foreign nationals. She also introduced biometric ID cards for asylum seekers. In 1930s Germany, the Nazis also "encouraged" Jewish people to emigrate voluntarily by banning them from housing, inter-marriage, and work, and forced them to carry identity cards.

2. The Rwanda plan - see Hitler's Madagascar plan

3. Go home vans
In Nazi Germany the original plan was to deport undesirables like Jewish people, Gysies, homosexuals etc, it was only later the plan changed to murdering them

4. Making people stateless - as discussed before, the Nazis did this too, stripping "undesirables" of citizenship.

5. Attacking the media - already discussed and it was Nazi policy

6. Blaming refugees
Tory MPs and their supporters have said that those who don't support their policies are betraying Britain. That refugees are the cause of strain on services, education and infrastructure, not 13 years of austerity and poor government.
The Nazis used scapegoats to whip up nationalistic fervour and to garner support.

[_Os_]

What part of what I'm saying is bollocks?

Lets see.

The Vans as pictured - We have laws in this country, are you saying the UK is wrong to enforce it's laws?

The laws around nationality in the UK are a convoluted mess. The "go home vans" were part of May's hostile environment and targeted at people legally resident in the UK who could not prove their status, years later this became the Windrush Scandal. The people in the courts trying to apply nationality/immigration law, literally refer to the law as a maze like shanty town.

""the architecture of the rules is not the grand design of Lutyens' Delhi or Haussmann's Paris, but more that of the organic growth responding to the needs of the moment that is a feature of some shanty towns."
https://freemovement.org.uk/how-complex ... a-problem/

This shanty town of laws gives rise to situations where someone is born in the UK and stripped of British citizenship in their adulthood leaving them stateless, whilst their sibling retains British citizenship.

The making people stateless - It's the migrants who are making themselves stateless, not the Tory party, would you like to see videos of migrants ripping up all of their IDs?.

The type of laws that made more than a few stateless (and are now retroactively stripping people born in the UK of British citizenship), often leaving people to fight the Home Office alone for years. Have been further expanded.

This country, for all of it's faults, is one of the most welcoming, diverse, accepting and non-racist places on the entire planet.

Most of this is subjective, some would agree others wouldn't. The level of diversity is something which can be measured though. The UK definitely isn't one of the most diverse places on the entire planet.

Ethnic diversity:


Linguistic diversity:

For the record, I think the Tory party are shit at everything they do and I won't be voting for them ever again but I can't let comments like that slide.

I'll take your word for it. If there's no lie, there is avoidance of taking responsibility though.

You've been in this community for two decades saying the same old shit, as you say you have stamina. You quite liked a bit of hostile environment, "Australian points based immigration system", Brexit, and all the rest of it. About 10 years back you were banging on about how the EDL weren't the bad guys and it was wrong to call them Nazis. You are the target market for Tory dog whistles, you are a piece of Farage prime rib. You were given everything you wanted. It's a total mess. People like you are directly to blame for this. You don't get to say "the Tory party is shit" whilst whistling and walking away, the Tories are trying to do all the impossible shit you demanded be done for years and years and fucking years.

What's your next move in a few years chief? Blame Labour for high immigration levels, maybe a bit of "don't call obvious bad actor a Nazi", and start the loop over again?

[Line6 HXFX]

Tories have killed over 330 thousand people.
British people.
Intentionally.
At least Hitler had some driving ideology..these fuckers did because they thought there would be a taxcut in it for them, and they didn't want to pay for the financial crash.

https://www.bbntimes.com/politics/more- ... -austerity



"How the tories treat immigrants and refugees is exactly how they would treat you if given the chance"

Tony Benn

[Slick]

You've been in this community for two decades saying the same old shit, as you say you have stamina. You quite liked a bit of hostile environment, "Australian points based immigration system", Brexit, and all the rest of it. About 10 years back you were banging on about how the EDL weren't the bad guys and it was wrong to call them Nazis. You are the target market for Tory dog whistles, you are a piece of Farage prime rib. You were given everything you wanted. It's a total mess. People like you are directly to blame for this. You don't get to say "the Tory party is shit" whilst whistling and walking away, the Tories are trying to do all the impossible shit you demanded be done for years and years and fucking years.

Ouch

[Ymx]

The 6.7 million crimes recorded were 11% higher compared with the year ending March 2020 (6.1 million offences). This overall increase was ...

Crime went up, migration down by ~1/2

An estimated 268,000 people came to live in the UK during 2020, compared with 592,000 people in 2019

also the ONS btw

I don’t know that the movement of refugees has hit the mega levels to hit macro trends over that time span. Though it may be for small communities where 4-500 young men are suddenly dumped there.

Additionally Sweden has over half of its sexual crimes committed by non Swedish born locals. However, we are starting to tread on a different segment with this. Ie not just asylum seekers.

[Torquemada 1420]

Hey Torq, good thank you, hope you're well too.

Hah. Yeah. Just older and slower. Thought about you a few weeks back when passing through Newport.

Doors kept locked I assume?

The speeds I drive at, that is never a fear.

[Torquemada 1420]

But the Nazi's didn't invent the kind of policies you're alluding to, so they can't be the benchmark. They can only be the benchmark for rabid Anti-semitism (see UK Labour party) and the genocide of millions of innocents.

C'mon. You don't need me to explain to you that a benchmark need not be the standard set by the originator. In fact, it rarely is. By definition a benchmark is the peak of something and so nearly always likely to change early on. The Nazis are the benchmark because they were pretty much the worst incarnation of right wing extremism, just as Stalin was for the left.

They can be the benchmark for very many right wing behaviours, politics and traits. Your trying to limit them to a Family Guy 1D panto villain solely characterised by anti-semitism is a massive slur to the millions of others the Nazis killed. And need I remind you, I am sure I am the only PR member who had a close family friend who was an Auschwitz survivor. And neither he, nor any of his murdered family was Jewish.

Wrong.

I had to think about that but then realised you meant the "close family member bit". Interested to know (and you don't need to declare) if yours was Jewish?

[Insane_Homer]

I don’t know that the movement of refugees has hit the mega levels to hit macro trends over that time span. Though it may be for small communities where 4-500 young men are suddenly dumped there.

Additionally Sweden has over half of its sexual crimes committed by non Swedish born locals. However, we are starting to tread on a different segment with this. Ie not just asylum seekers.

I'm not sure Dave's link detailing the 600k (11%) increased, go into those sort of hypothetical, what if, anecdotal detail. Maybe you find another one from X for us?

[Torquemada 1420]

Tories have killed over 330 thousand people.
British people.
Intentionally.
At least Hitler had some driving ideology..these fuckers did because they thought there would be a taxcut in it for them, and they didn't want to pay for the financial crash.

https://www.bbntimes.com/politics/more- ... -austerity



"How the tories treat immigrants and refugees is exactly how they would treat you if given the chance"

Tony Benn

And the bit in red is the a critical point. The Tories are like the Royals. Worshipped by so many who ridiculously (or conceitedly) think that makes them part of this (self serving) elite circle. Whereas, as you point out, for keeping one more penny in their own coffers, they'd send these fools to the gallows.

It's so much this:

[Guy Smiley]

You've been in this community for two decades saying the same old shit, as you say you have stamina. You quite liked a bit of hostile environment, "Australian points based immigration system", Brexit, and all the rest of it. About 10 years back you were banging on about how the EDL weren't the bad guys and it was wrong to call them Nazis. You are the target market for Tory dog whistles, you are a piece of Farage prime rib. You were given everything you wanted. It's a total mess. People like you are directly to blame for this. You don't get to say "the Tory party is shit" whilst whistling and walking away, the Tories are trying to do all the impossible shit you demanded be done for years and years and fucking years.

Ouch

Yup, that's a bulls eye.

[Guy Smiley]

Hammer, nail etc...

[Line6 HXFX]

GB News host wants asylum seekers to be put on the barge regardless of legionaires disease..

Thats right..put into a deathtrap.


[media] [/media]

[shaggy]

C'mon. You don't need me to explain to you that a benchmark need not be the standard set by the originator. In fact, it rarely is. By definition a benchmark is the peak of something and so nearly always likely to change early on. The Nazis are the benchmark because they were pretty much the worst incarnation of right wing extremism, just as Stalin was for the left.

They can be the benchmark for very many right wing behaviours, politics and traits. Your trying to limit them to a Family Guy 1D panto villain solely characterised by anti-semitism is a massive slur to the millions of others the Nazis killed. And need I remind you, I am sure I am the only PR member who had a close family friend who was an Auschwitz survivor. And neither he, nor any of his murdered family was Jewish.

Wrong.

I had to think about that but then realised you meant the "close family member bit". Interested to know (and you don't need to declare) if yours was Jewish?

Yes. And not a chance.

[Ymx]

Please don't doubt my stamina.

If it is DAC (and if so, hi, and hope you are well), then this bit is certainly true. Get him and J2M together and all Swarm records will be obliterated.

I think JM is actually responsible for summoning him a few pages back.

So let’s hope so !

[Tichtheid]

I thought for a minute it was Bimbo wearing a false moustache and plastic glasses - the full Groucho disguise.

I was never on PR, but Os has given some useful background info

[Ymx]

I thought for a minute it was Bimbo wearing a false moustache and plastic glasses - the full Groucho disguise.

I was never on PR, but Os has given some useful background info

I thought you were on PR, but didn’t want to disclose who you were?? Must have been another smelly lefty.

Anyway, I hope posts here can be taken at face value, and not just ignored due to bias against a character.

[David in Gwent]

What part of what I'm saying is bollocks?

Lets see.

The Vans as pictured - We have laws in this country, are you saying the UK is wrong to enforce it's laws?

The laws around nationality in the UK are a convoluted mess. The "go home vans" were part of May's hostile environment and targeted at people legally resident in the UK who could not prove their status, years later this became the Windrush Scandal. The people in the courts trying to apply nationality/immigration law, literally refer to the law as a maze like shanty town.

""the architecture of the rules is not the grand design of Lutyens' Delhi or Haussmann's Paris, but more that of the organic growth responding to the needs of the moment that is a feature of some shanty towns."
https://freemovement.org.uk/how-complex ... a-problem/

This shanty town of laws gives rise to situations where someone is born in the UK and stripped of British citizenship in their adulthood leaving them stateless, whilst their sibling retains British citizenship.

The making people stateless - It's the migrants who are making themselves stateless, not the Tory party, would you like to see videos of migrants ripping up all of their IDs?.

The type of laws that made more than a few stateless (and are now retroactively stripping people born in the UK of British citizenship), often leaving people to fight the Home Office alone for years. Have been further expanded.

This country, for all of it's faults, is one of the most welcoming, diverse, accepting and non-racist places on the entire planet.

Most of this is subjective, some would agree others wouldn't. The level of diversity is something which can be measured though. The UK definitely isn't one of the most diverse places on the entire planet.

Ethnic diversity:


Linguistic diversity:

For the record, I think the Tory party are shit at everything they do and I won't be voting for them ever again but I can't let comments like that slide.

I'll take your word for it. If there's no lie, there is avoidance of taking responsibility though.

You've been in this community for two decades saying the same old shit, as you say you have stamina. You quite liked a bit of hostile environment, "Australian points based immigration system", Brexit, and all the rest of it. About 10 years back you were banging on about how the EDL weren't the bad guys and it was wrong to call them Nazis. You are the target market for Tory dog whistles, you are a piece of Farage prime rib. You were given everything you wanted. It's a total mess. People like you are directly to blame for this. You don't get to say "the Tory party is shit" whilst whistling and walking away, the Tories are trying to do all the impossible shit you demanded be done for years and years and fucking years.

What's your next move in a few years chief? Blame Labour for high immigration levels, maybe a bit of "don't call obvious bad actor a Nazi", and start the loop over again?

That's just a word salad, dude, almost complete nonsense.

However, If you don't think comparing the Tory Party of 2023 to the Nazi Party isn't a slur on the millions murdered by the Nazis then I really can't help you. This is the only point I've raised on this thread.

[Sandstorm]

I thought for a minute it was Bimbo wearing a false moustache and plastic glasses - the full Groucho disguise.

I was never on PR, but Os has given some useful background info

He’s a racist loon and a troll. Don’t engage him.

[Torquemada 1420]

However, If you don't think comparing the Tory Party of 2023 to the Nazi Party isn't a slur on the millions murdered by the Nazis then I really can't help you. This is the only point I've raised on this thread.

If anything, it's the reverse. The rise (again) of the extreme right is right (ahem) across Europe. Should we remain complacent, or heed the warnings from history? I suspect if the millions of dead from WW2 had a voice, it would be to act and resist.

[Ymx]

….

I thought you were on PR, but didn’t want to disclose who you were?? Must have been another smelly lefty.

Anyway, I hope posts here can be taken at face value, and not just ignored due to bias against a character.

I guess not

I thought for a minute it was Bimbo wearing a false moustache and plastic glasses - the full Groucho disguise.

I was never on PR, but Os has given some useful background info

He’s a racist loon and a troll. Don’t engage him.

[David in Gwent]

However, If you don't think comparing the Tory Party of 2023 to the Nazi Party isn't a slur on the millions murdered by the Nazis then I really can't help you. This is the only point I've raised on this thread.

If anything, it's the reverse. The rise (again) of the extreme right is right (ahem) across Europe. Should we remain complacent, or heed the warnings from history? I suspect if the millions of dead from WW2 had a voice, it would be to act and resist.

There are reasons the right is on the rise again in Europe and it's not to do with blowhard politicians, it's what people see outside of their windows. Sweden being a case in point.

One would suggest that if you could bring back all of the men who came from London who died fighting the Nazis and gave them a tour of their boroughs, you might not get the positive affirmation from them you may think you would.

There isn't enough public services to deal with everyone. Wales, for example, has 1 in 5 people in the entire country on an NHS waiting list....but you judge people wanting to control the amount of people coming in as Nazis?

The End game is a shit life and shit conditions for everyone bar the very, very rich. Is that what you want, a shit existence for everyone?

[Ymx]

However, If you don't think comparing the Tory Party of 2023 to the Nazi Party isn't a slur on the millions murdered by the Nazis then I really can't help you. This is the only point I've raised on this thread.

If anything, it's the reverse. The rise (again) of the extreme right is right (ahem) across Europe. Should we remain complacent, or heed the warnings from history? I suspect if the millions of dead from WW2 had a voice, it would be to act and resist.

I blame the notorious right wing fascist millennials and zedders, and the passing of the late lefty boomers for this.



This so called swing is a small reaction of having gone too far!

[Ymx]

2001

Hundreds stranded after refugees storm Channel Tunnel
Staff and agencies

Eurotunnel today called for the closure of a French refugee holding centre after hundreds of would-be asylum seekers tried to force their way to the UK through the tunnel.
The tunnel was closed for over 10 hours and Shuttle services which take vehicles through were suspended after about 550 people took advantage of the quiet Christmas period, when there are fewer trains, to storm the French entrance in two waves, Eurotunnel said.

Hundreds of passengers were put up overnight in hotels in the UK and France while police rounded up the asylum seekers and checked the tunnel to see if any got through.
The first group of refugees from the nearby Red Cross centre at Sangatte broke through barriers at 8.10pm yesterday. French police arrested 129 people and Kent Police said none had got into the UK.

At midnight, a second wave of some 400 people was stopped by French riot police using tear gas outside the Calais entrance, said Eurotunnel spokesman Kevin Charles.

The tunnel re-opened at 6.45am today following a delay of more than 10 and a half hours. Eurotunnel said 80 cars and four coaches had been forced to delay their trip from the UK to France as had another 30 cars and one coach in the opposite direction.

There were no Eurostar train services on Christmas Day or Boxing Day but Eurotunnel operates one freight service and one Shuttle service per hour in both directions.

Mr Charles said the incident was yet another example of why the French Government should close Sangatte, which is just over a mile from the tunnel's French entrance.

He said: "From our point of view it reinforces the view that the government has got to address the problem and it's got to be quick.

"We have spent £5 million on security arrangements so far and government has done nothing and left us in this situation where we have a refugee centre 2kms from the tunnel. Most people agree this is pretty crazy."
In the last year, thousands of refugees have been prevented from coming into the country through the tunnel.

The group of asylum seekers were apparently taking advantage of the lack of train traffic through the tunnel on Christmas Day to try to walk the 25 miles to the UK undetected. Eurotunnel spokesman Anne Leva told PA News that guards were unable to stop the first group storming the entrance to the Channel Tunnel.

"We saw them coming on our CCTV cameras but it was impossible to stop them. We had approximately 20 guards there but they had no chance."

The illegal immigrants captured by police were taken to Sangatte, where about 1,600 people are housed.

Ms Leva said: "It was a big disruption. We were surprised that the Sangatte centre didn't warn us that a large group had left the centre. We are aggrieved that we never received a single call to tell us."

Kent police deployed 60 officers to the international frontier halfway through the Channel Tunnel system when they were alerted to the security breach.

Inspector Adrian Allen said the officers, supported with sniffer dogs, were sent underground "in accordance with well established arrangements" with the French authorities and Eurotunnel.

He said no illegal immigrants had managed to breach the international frontier and enter the UK side of the Tunnel.
"The incident which triggered the response took place on French territory and was managed and resolved by the French authorities," Inspector Allen added.

Refugees regularly try to enter Britain illegally from France on ferries, by train or through the Channel Tunnel.

I posted another old article above, and it had a similar tone. This is reporting from the Guardian, not the Nazi party news. Yes, you read that right. The Guardian.

They would never publish negative messages against France or the asylum seekers these days. Yet I found these extremely easily.

This is where politics has in fact shifted over the years.

[Torquemada 1420]

There are reasons the right is on the rise again in Europe and it's not to do with blowhard politicians, it's what people see outside of their windows. Sweden being a case in point.

One would suggest that if you could bring back all of the men who came from London who died fighting the Nazis and gave them a tour of their boroughs, you might not get the positive affirmation from them you may think you would.

There isn't enough public services to deal with everyone. Wales, for example, has 1 in 5 people in the entire country on an NHS waiting list....but you judge people wanting to control the amount of people coming in as Nazis?

The End game is a shit life and shit conditions for everyone bar the very, very rich. Is that what you want, a shit existence for everyone?

Too many contradictions here. This isn't a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Go back to that Tory campaign poster I put up. They hate the Welsh. They hate them for being Welsh. They hate them for being working class. They hate them for being Labour by default.

Might I remind you who f**ked over coal and steel in Wales and in the space of a generation, basically destroyed YOUR country? In case you hadn't noticed, the result of that is the majority of Wales (relatively) is already living a sh*t life in sh*t conditions.

The Tories aren't wanting to control the number of immigrants for your benefit. It's a f**king distraction to gain the votes of the gullible amongst the working classes. They know they've so massively f**ked up the UK, the only card they've got left is the NSDAP tactic of blaming some minority.

You know I'm as much against the wrong elements of immigration as you are. But it's a dispensed with empty paper cup on the floor of a sideshow. If you are worried about money, how about getting some of the Tories' cronies to pay some taxes and how about an end to the avalanche of corruption that has seen £ billions trousered from the tax payer's pocket since these crooks came to power?

[Torquemada 1420]

This so called swing is a small reaction of having gone too far!

With respect, there is no equivalence here and if your idea of this is a "small swing" then your credibility in this debate is severely diminished. I'd love to know where you live. Because, I'll bet, like most of the posters pontificating on both sides of this ere long debate on PR (all versions) that it's somewhere middle class + cosy. DAC is excepted from that accusation.

Tell me I'm wrong.

[Line6 HXFX]

I mean I am working class, and how they treat these people is fucking appalling.
The cruelty is the point.
They created this problem because they wanted to up the hate to try to win the next election. What else can they run on? Their record?
Do you know it is much cheaper (like 3 million) to put these 500 asylum seekers that barge is meant for...on a Disney cruise for a year, and give them a lovely time, whilst they wait to be processed? Let them recover humanely, from all the shit they have seen.
How does that win an election, how is that red meat for the resent'tard?

You are all being played by some of the stupidest and vilest people there are.

[David in Gwent]

I mean I am working class, and how they treat these people is fucking appalling.
The cruelty is the point.
They created this problem because they wanted to up the hate to try to win the next election. What else can they run on? Their record?
Do you know it is much cheaper (like 3 million) to put these 500 asylum seekers that barge is meant for...on a Disney cruise for a year, and give them a lovely time, whilst they wait to be processed? Let them recover humanely, from all the shit they have seen.
How does that win an election, how is that red meat for the resent'tard?

You are all being played by some of the stupidest and vilest people there are.

As far as I can tell there are given accommodation, food and an allowance. It's far from "fucking appalling" If it was so terrible they wouldn't be paying gangsters £5-12K each to get on a rubber boat to come here.

As for the shit they have seen, I see they are quite happy to leave their female family members behind, you really must think the average British working person is stupid?

The tories are done but people won't be able to bring themselves to vote for Labour because they know Labour will make it worse for them, so we have a generation or two of coalitions to look forward too.

[Line6 HXFX]

Dac you won't die not knowing just how harmful those cretinous and stupid ignorant, reactionary right wing policies actually are in the real world.

Can you just be grateful for that?


Gawd fucking knows..it cost the U.K basically everything, for generations to show you, and put this beyond any doubt.

You don't have to invest anything more in it, not one second more of your time..it has all played out.
Various UK governments over 13 years, have thrown every single fucked up right wing idea at the wall, to see what will stick.
The results are in.
They are unimaginably fucked.
But hey, future generations of lovely kind innocent young brits, like the 330 thousand dead from Austerity, will all be paying a heavy heavy price for those policies.

Your work is done.
Well done.
There is nothing left to destroy. Nothing left to hate. Nothing left to resent.
Now just let us try to clean up this fucking mess, and make the UK a nice place again ffs.

[Torquemada 1420]

You are all being played by some of the stupidest and vilest people there are.

Bingo.

[Jim Lahey]

I can't be arsed reading the whole thread but judging by the last page it seems 99% of posters think the Tories are Nazis for their anti immigrant policy.

What are Labour proposing to do with them instead?

[David in Gwent]

Dac you won't die not knowing just how harmful those cretinous and stupid ignorant, reactionary right wing policies actually are in the real world.

Can you just be grateful for that?


Gawd fucking knows..it cost the U.K basically everything, for generations to show you, and put this beyond any doubt.

You don't have to invest anything more in it, not one second more of your time..it has all played out.
Various UK governments over 13 years, have thrown every single fucked up right wing idea at the wall, to see what will stick.
The results are in.
They are unimaginably fucked.
But hey, future generations of lovely kind innocent young brits, like the 330 thousand dead from Austerity, will all be paying a heavy heavy price for those policies.

Your work is done.
Well done.
There is nothing left to destroy. Nothing left to hate. Nothing left to resent.
Now just let us try to clean up this fucking mess, and make the UK a nice place again ffs.

You'll have to explain why it's going to cost the UK everything, I'm listening.

[quotelike the 330 thousand dead from Austerity][/quote]

So you believe everything you read in the Guardian?

[David in Gwent]

You are all being played by some of the stupidest and vilest people there are.

Bingo.

You will need to explain how I am being played by large numbers of undocumented males of a working age, literally being ferried into the UK.

At this point I'm willing to believe it's all by design and carried out by darker agencies than our current Government.

You will own nothing and be happy.

[Sandstorm]

You are all being played by some of the stupidest and vilest people there are.

Bingo.

You will need to explain how I am being played by large numbers of undocumented males of a working age, literally being ferried into the UK.

At this point I'm willing to believe it's all by design and carried out by darker agencies than our current Government.

You will own nothing and be happy.

Fuck off DAC.

[David in Gwent]

Bingo.

You will need to explain how I am being played by large numbers of undocumented males of a working age, literally being ferried into the UK.

At this point I'm willing to believe it's all by design and carried out by darker agencies than our current Government.

You will own nothing and be happy.

Fuck off DAC.

I won't, thank you.

[Guy Smiley]

Ignore, then.

This place has a decent vibe... the old PR style shitfight doesn't really fly here. Flog yourself silly... we know your routine. It's old, tired and boring, not to mention wrong on any which way you want to look at it.

[Biffer]

Pretty obvious DAC does think many current govt policies are similar to Nazi ones, given the lengths he's going yo to avoid saying it.