Dinghy arrivals / asylum seekers / gimmegrants

[Sandstorm]

But I’ve no idea

Exactly. So stop posting right wing conspirator theories.

[Biffer]

I know your heart is in the right place but you don't do anyone any good with histronical posts like this.

The UK took in 175,000 Ukrainian refugees under the Ukraine Family Scheme and Ukraine Sponsorship Scheme as of 9 May 2023.

It's common knowledge a lot of the dingy people aren't refugees.

As for the media, the media is inherently left wing. BBC, Channel 4, Sky, etc etc...

Germany took about a million, Poland the same. took more than double the UK number.

What about the dinghy people that are refugees? What percentage do you think aren't, taking into account the percentage that have their status approved when they're finally processed?

What relevance is the amount that went to Germany and Czech Republic? It's about a relevant as saying 1, 3 million Ukrainians went to Russia although it might be common sense that you'd go to a safe country as near as possible to your home country at a time of war.

I was trying to make the point that the UK isn't the anti-refugee unequal hell hole the poster I replied too was trying to make out it was.

As for your last paragraph, I don't know know the answer but for some context:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... -july-2022

However, since May 2022, there has been a significant increase in the number of Albanians crossing the channel on small boats. From May to September 2022 Albanian nationals alone comprised 42% of small boat crossings, with 11,102 Albanians arriving by small boat in those five months. In contrast, over the whole of 2021 there were a total of 815 Albanian nationals who arrived by this method. In some weeks over the summer, more than half of small boat arrivals claimed to be Albanian.

It’s common knowledge, but you don’t know it. Ok.

[Simian]

But I’ve no idea

Exactly. So stop posting right wing conspirator theories.

IKR? It’s wild

[Simian]

I know your heart is in the right place but you don't do anyone any good with histronical posts like this.

The UK took in 175,000 Ukrainian refugees under the Ukraine Family Scheme and Ukraine Sponsorship Scheme as of 9 May 2023.

It's common knowledge a lot of the dingy people aren't refugees.

As for the media, the media is inherently left wing. BBC, Channel 4, Sky, etc etc...

Germany took about a million, Poland the same. took more than double the UK number.

What about the dinghy people that are refugees? What percentage do you think aren't, taking into account the percentage that have their status approved when they're finally processed?

What relevance is the amount that went to Germany and Czech Republic? It's about a relevant as saying 1, 3 million Ukrainians went to Russia although it might be common sense that you'd go to a safe country as near as possible to your home country at a time of war.

I was trying to make the point that the UK isn't the anti-refugee unequal hell hole the poster I replied too was trying to make out it was.

As for your last paragraph, I don't know know the answer but for some context:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... -july-2022

However, since May 2022, there has been a significant increase in the number of Albanians crossing the channel on small boats. From May to September 2022 Albanian nationals alone comprised 42% of small boat crossings, with 11,102 Albanians arriving by small boat in those five months. In contrast, over the whole of 2021 there were a total of 815 Albanian nationals who arrived by this method. In some weeks over the summer, more than half of small boat arrivals claimed to be Albanian.

You odious absolute cunt. You’re either a complete idiot or trolling about something that kills people. Get a fucking grip either way.

[David in Gwent]

Germany took about a million, Poland the same. took more than double the UK number.

What about the dinghy people that are refugees? What percentage do you think aren't, taking into account the percentage that have their status approved when they're finally processed?

What relevance is the amount that went to Germany and Czech Republic? It's about a relevant as saying 1, 3 million Ukrainians went to Russia although it might be common sense that you'd go to a safe country as near as possible to your home country at a time of war.

I was trying to make the point that the UK isn't the anti-refugee unequal hell hole the poster I replied too was trying to make out it was.

As for your last paragraph, I don't know know the answer but for some context:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... -july-2022

However, since May 2022, there has been a significant increase in the number of Albanians crossing the channel on small boats. From May to September 2022 Albanian nationals alone comprised 42% of small boat crossings, with 11,102 Albanians arriving by small boat in those five months. In contrast, over the whole of 2021 there were a total of 815 Albanian nationals who arrived by this method. In some weeks over the summer, more than half of small boat arrivals claimed to be Albanian.

It’s common knowledge, but you don’t know it. Ok.

Yes, I don't know the exact percentages, but I did provide some evidence as to my previous statement.

Anything else?

[petej]

I know your heart is in the right place but you don't do anyone any good with histronical posts like this.

The UK took in 175,000 Ukrainian refugees under the Ukraine Family Scheme and Ukraine Sponsorship Scheme as of 9 May 2023.

It's common knowledge a lot of the dingy people aren't refugees.

As for the media, the media is inherently left wing. BBC, Channel 4, Sky, etc etc...

Germany took about a million, Poland the same. took more than double the UK number.

What about the dinghy people that are refugees? What percentage do you think aren't, taking into account the percentage that have their status approved when they're finally processed?

What relevance is the amount that went to Germany and Czech Republic? It's about a relevant as saying 1, 3 million Ukrainians went to Russia although it might be common sense that you'd go to a safe country as near as possible to your home country at a time of war.

I was trying to make the point that the UK isn't the anti-refugee unequal hell hole the poster I replied too was trying to make out it was.

As for your last paragraph, I don't know know the answer but for some context:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... -july-2022

However, since May 2022, there has been a significant increase in the number of Albanians crossing the channel on small boats. From May to September 2022 Albanian nationals alone comprised 42% of small boat crossings, with 11,102 Albanians arriving by small boat in those five months. In contrast, over the whole of 2021 there were a total of 815 Albanian nationals who arrived by this method. In some weeks over the summer, more than half of small boat arrivals claimed to be Albanian.

Russia a safe country? Nearest country or only country you can get to but safe?

[David in Gwent]

Germany took about a million, Poland the same. took more than double the UK number.

What about the dinghy people that are refugees? What percentage do you think aren't, taking into account the percentage that have their status approved when they're finally processed?

What relevance is the amount that went to Germany and Czech Republic? It's about a relevant as saying 1, 3 million Ukrainians went to Russia although it might be common sense that you'd go to a safe country as near as possible to your home country at a time of war.

I was trying to make the point that the UK isn't the anti-refugee unequal hell hole the poster I replied too was trying to make out it was.

As for your last paragraph, I don't know know the answer but for some context:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... -july-2022

However, since May 2022, there has been a significant increase in the number of Albanians crossing the channel on small boats. From May to September 2022 Albanian nationals alone comprised 42% of small boat crossings, with 11,102 Albanians arriving by small boat in those five months. In contrast, over the whole of 2021 there were a total of 815 Albanian nationals who arrived by this method. In some weeks over the summer, more than half of small boat arrivals claimed to be Albanian.

Russia a safe country? Nearest country or only country you can get to but safe?

I'm not sure what you're asking?

Again, as mentioned above I've only quoted figures in direct response to a post stating that the UK was somehow anti-refugee when it's clearly not the case.

[derriz]

Ah but it kind-of is - at least on a per-capita basis.

Uk and France are bottom of the European table for Ukrainian refugees by a long shot. https://www.statista.com/statistics/134 ... y-country/
And geography doesn't explain it - more than 4 times as many in Ireland per capita than in the UK. Twice as many per capita in Iceland. Even Canada has taken in more per-capita than the UK.

For all refugees, UK was 20th in Europe for asylum applications received per head of population, and 19th for applications granted. Not quite bottom of the table but well below average.

10 years of villifying and demonising refugees and yet the likes of DAC truly believes that the UK is an open and welcoming country and takes in more than it's share of refugees. The actual statistics spell a completely different picture.

[David in Gwent]

Ah but it kind-of is - at least on a per-capita basis.

Uk and France are bottom of the European table for Ukrainian refugees by a long shot. https://www.statista.com/statistics/134 ... y-country/
And geography doesn't explain it - more than 4 times as many in Ireland per capita than in the UK. Twice as many per capita in Iceland. Even Canada has taken in more per-capita than the UK.

For all refugees, UK was 20th in Europe for asylum applications received per head of population, and 19th for applications granted. Not quite bottom of the table but well below average.

10 years of villifying and demonising refugees and yet the likes of DAC truly believes that the UK is an open and welcoming country and takes in more than it's share of refugees. The actual statistics spell a completely different picture.

Ireland very generously gave the Ukrainians full benefits, akin to it's own citizens - which may account for your per capita reference.

https://www.context.news/socioeconomic- ... r-refugees

[Insane_Homer]

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[Biffer]

[David in Gwent]

https://www.dw.com/en/poland-unveils-re ... %20Twitter.

Poland unveiled a new referendum question on Sunday pertaining to the EU's policy on asylum seekers from the Middle East and Africa.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

[Ymx]

The Australian stats for offshore processing and turn backs.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d48a ... b8469b9c44

[Guy Smiley]

That Australian information is incorrect. They enacted a harsher policy and simultaneously clamped down on reporting arrivals which, it turned out years later. had continued to occur.

[Ymx]

Lessons from Australia


The policy was drawn up with help from an Australian strategist, Isaac Levido, whose mentor Lynton Crosby masterminded many an election victory there through using a “stop the boats” message. The apparent success of the decision by Australian MPs in August 2012 to process all refugees offshore in Papua New Guinea and Nauru — a tiny island state in the Pacific — is often used as proof that Rwanda can work.

Yet the data paints a more complex picture. In 2013, the year after offshore processing was introduced, the number of small boat arrivals grew, from 17,204 to 20,587 – a record high.

It was only when the Australian government, by then led by the Liberal prime minister Tony Abbott, launched Operation Sovereign Borders in September 2013 that numbers started to fall. Under this new policy, boats were intercepted and guided back to safe countries. By 2014, only 450 people arrived by sea; the next year, the policy was so effective that no more boats were taken for offshore processing.

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“The point isn’t hard to understand: if [refugees] no longer think that by paying these organised crime groups thousands of euros they will get to the UK, they won’t pay the money,” said Alexander Downer, who was Australia’s foreign minister for more than a decade and helped to run his country’s immigration policy. Last year he was appointed to help oversee the Rwanda programme here. “At the moment, [refugees] can absolutely be sure of getting here.”

Preventing people from arriving in the first place was the rationale behind Britain moving border controls to France in the early 2000s. This decision helped reduce asylum applications from a peak of 103,000 in 2002, to 28,000 in 2006. Along with being excluded from the Schengen area, it may help explain why Britain avoided any big rises in asylum seekers during the 2015 migrant crisis.

But Britain is not Australia. No international waters separate the UK and France at the Channel’s narrowest point. Once a boat of asylum seekers is in British waters, we have a legal duty to take care of them, as the former home secretary Priti Patel found out last year when she tried to make turning boats around official policy. In May the Greek government was lambasted after footage emerged of refugees — including children and a six-month old baby — being driven to a remote spot on the island of Lesbos, taken out to sea by coastguards, then left on a raft to be picked up by Turkey.

[Ymx]

Well that kills that plan.

[Guy Smiley]

The Australian solution, eh?

A corruption riddled operation that has cost billions and seen shelf companies with no holdings awarded multi million dollar contracts,, local politicians in the islands rewarded with dodgy business dealings and more, all to keep a few hundred people in cruel and inhumane conditions with no hope or promise of proper processing, just for the sake of cruelty.

There are multiple stories surfacing regarding this operation...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5dr4q.html

[Ymx]

I think the reason there are only a few hundred is because of the programme. It’s pure and simple, a deterrent.

Uk is spending so many billions per year, and it’s getting worse.

Rwanda isn’t designed to expect one hundred thousand for the same reasons. It coupled with the illegal immigration act is the deterrent to keep these people away from boats.

[SaintK]

I think the reason there are only a few hundred is because of the programme. It’s pure and simple, a deterrent.

Uk is spending so many billions per year, and it’s getting worse.

Rwanda isn’t designed to expect one hundred thousand for the same reasons. It coupled with the illegal immigration act is the deterrent to keep these people away from boats.

........and you think that it's going to work?

[Ymx]

Yes. If people won’t ever get to the UK by setting off in a dinghy, then it will work.

[Insane_Homer]

Yes. If people won’t ever get to the UK by setting off in a dinghy, then it will work.

Build a wall on French beaches and make them pay for it?

[Insane_Homer]

or build a wall on UK beaches, save us from the turds too, win-win.

[petej]

Yes. If people won’t ever get to the UK by setting off in a dinghy, then it will work.

Have you considered Jersey, Guernsey or the Isle of man or any other uk tax havens?

[Ymx]

Maps of where they are being accommodated








https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewe ... JCO1dbPP-c

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Yes. If people won’t ever get to the UK by setting off in a dinghy, then it will work.

They're going to notice the odds of being one those sent to Rwanda are vanishingly small. And even if the chance of remaining was vanishingly small you may notice some people are still willing to play the lottery

The Rwanda and barge housing cannot possibly be intended as policy initiatives. They're intended as distractions, to gain popular headlines in the Mail and Express for the moronic ideas themselves, and then to criticise any woke folk who oppose them, whatever the validity of their complaints, as enemies of the people and shift the debate from an abject failure in policy to a culture wars issue.

[Ymx]

I mean the barge is moronic I agree.

Unless it sails to Rwanda of course.

[David in Gwent]

Yes. If people won’t ever get to the UK by setting off in a dinghy, then it will work.

They're going to notice the odds of being one those sent to Rwanda are vanishingly small. And even if the chance of remaining was vanishingly small you may notice some people are still willing to play the lottery

The Rwanda and barge housing cannot possibly be intended as policy initiatives. They're intended as distractions, to gain popular headlines in the Mail and Express for the moronic ideas themselves, and then to criticise any woke folk who oppose them, whatever the validity of their complaints, as enemies of the people and shift the debate from an abject failure in policy to a culture wars issue.

What is wrong with the barge housing?

[Ymx]

Yes. If people won’t ever get to the UK by setting off in a dinghy, then it will work.

They're going to notice the odds of being one those sent to Rwanda are vanishingly small. And even if the chance of remaining was vanishingly small you may notice some people are still willing to play the lottery

The Rwanda and barge housing cannot possibly be intended as policy initiatives. They're intended as distractions, to gain popular headlines in the Mail and Express for the moronic ideas themselves, and then to criticise any woke folk who oppose them, whatever the validity of their complaints, as enemies of the people and shift the debate from an abject failure in policy to a culture wars issue.

What is wrong with the barge housing?

We had twice the arrivals in the last week.

Unless they can roll out a new barge a week …

[Biffer]

They're going to notice the odds of being one those sent to Rwanda are vanishingly small. And even if the chance of remaining was vanishingly small you may notice some people are still willing to play the lottery

The Rwanda and barge housing cannot possibly be intended as policy initiatives. They're intended as distractions, to gain popular headlines in the Mail and Express for the moronic ideas themselves, and then to criticise any woke folk who oppose them, whatever the validity of their complaints, as enemies of the people and shift the debate from an abject failure in policy to a culture wars issue.

What is wrong with the barge housing?

We had twice the arrivals in the last week.

Unless they can roll out a new barge a week …

Odd that you've stopped posting the numbers, given the reason you posted them is because you thought govt policy would work despite everyone on here telling you it wouldn't. Now they've gone up with that policy, they're nowhere to be seen.

[Ymx]

It’s not good news on the numbers.



The people arriving are apparently not able to be sent back is the problem. I had assumed they would be.

[Biffer]

It’s not good news on the numbers.



The people arriving are apparently not able to be sent back is the problem. I had assumed they would be.

So we were all right and you were wrong.

[David in Gwent]

It’s not good news on the numbers.



The people arriving are apparently not able to be sent back is the problem. I had assumed they would be.

So we were all right and you were wrong.

You virtue signalled your tits off, I'll give you that.

[Biffer]

It’s not good news on the numbers.



The people arriving are apparently not able to be sent back is the problem. I had assumed they would be.

So we were all right and you were wrong.

You virtue signalled your tits off, I'll give you that.

So being right is virtue signalling? Interesting to know.

[David in Gwent]

So we were all right and you were wrong.

You virtue signalled your tits off, I'll give you that.

So being right is virtue signalling? Interesting to know.

It appears to be a full time occupation for you. Skillz.

[Biffer]

You virtue signalled your tits off, I'll give you that.

So being right is virtue signalling? Interesting to know.

It appears to be a full time occupation for you. Skillz.

Being right? Yeah.

[MungoMan]

The Australian solution, eh?

A corruption riddled operation that has cost billions and seen shelf companies with no holdings awarded multi million dollar contracts,, local politicians in the islands rewarded with dodgy business dealings and more, all to keep a few hundred people in cruel and inhumane conditions with no hope or promise of proper processing, just for the sake of cruelty.

There are multiple stories surfacing regarding this operation...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5dr4q.html

The main lesson to be learned from Australia's handling of boat arrivals is not to emulate any.single.fucken.thing we've done in that space.

[Ymx]

It’s not good news on the numbers.



The people arriving are apparently not able to be sent back is the problem. I had assumed they would be.

So we were all right and you were wrong.

You beaconed that these poor desperate souls didn’t care about the legislation and were in such perilous danger (in France), they would go any way.

You are still very wrong about that.

The truth is, once they saw the deportations not happening to their mates, they started again. After a wait and see period.

[Biffer]

It’s not good news on the numbers.



The people arriving are apparently not able to be sent back is the problem. I had assumed they would be.

So we were all right and you were wrong.

You beaconed that these poor desperate souls didn’t care about the legislation and were in such perilous danger (in France), they would go any way.

You are still very wrong about that.

Once they saw the deportations not happening to their mates, they started again.

I never once said they were in danger in France, don’t lie about things I’ve said.

You thought this was going to work. You were wrong. But you believe whatever idiotic scheme they come up with next time will work too, because your raging para Nokia has consumed you.

[Ymx]

Oh please, you said exactly that. You said they don’t care about legislation, they will make the journey because they are so desperate.

I added the in France bit, because it showed how ludicrous the comments were.

[Ymx]

Anyhow, it will be interesting to see how this plays out in terms of new boat arrivals in the next couple of weeks. The acid test if it’s been successful.

Although I largely expect the ruling to be challenged, and it needs to possibly survive that.

Yeah, someone who has been travelling and trying to get here for months is really going to have been keeping up with parliamentary proceedings in the UK, so they'll change their plans. That'll really fucking happen.

Christ, how stupid do you think these people are??

I’d say those about to pay for an expensive ferry will want to know how long their holiday is for. 2 weeks or 2 years.

This was the exchange.