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_Os_ wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 4:43 am Some thoughts on all that...

Pool A: France and the ABs are quite similar for me, both physical and athletic with stacks of talent, both are going to take full advantage of any defencive lapse with ball in hand. I think France have a slight advantage in the halfbacks though, and that's the brain of a team. I also didn't like the ABs reaction to the Bok defeat, they took it far to well, more "lets take the positives" rather than "we're fucking mortified". France also have some weird thing for the ABs, some homoerotic impulse or something, for them the RWC seems to be more about beating the ABs than winning the cup. A potential banana skin is the France v Italy match, if France decide they've beaten the ABs and have won the RWC then Italy could beat them, unlikely but possible. Backing Namibia to get their first ever RWC win, should've happened last RWC but the Canada match was cancelled, Uruguay are probably a score better than them but it's close.

Pool B: The Boks have a good record against Scotland, Bok strengths map well to areas Scotland are weakest but Scottish strengths don't map as well to Bok weak points. Ireland is different I worry about their kicking game, but I do think the Boks get out of the pool. Ireland's warmup matches have been poor, Tonga are the weakest PI side but I can see a possibility of Ireland struggling a bit like they did against Samoa, bonus points could be crucial and Boks/Scotland look like stronger try scoring sides. Scotland have more of a chance against Ireland than against the Boks, I'm backing Ireland to have gone through some gears by then but the Scots could pick them off if they don't improve enough on the warmups.

5 teams per pool and this pool has 3 teams in the top 5 ffs.

Pool C: The best ever Fijian and Georgian sides, and definitely not the best ever Welsh and Aussie sides. Plus Portugal. The highest ranked team in this pool is Fiji in 7th. This pool is a joke.

The Wallabies bombing out in the pool stage is my big call. I just don't believe the Wallabies must always be rated because they're the Wallabies, they're not the All Blacks or the Springboks. They were poor in the Rugby Championship and Jones has selected a mad squad. Half the selected props have 5 or less caps, none of the hookers have more than 20 caps. Half the Wallabies squad are rookies that don't have 10 caps yet. If you look through the names asking yourself "do I fear this player" it's hard to get to 5 names, a lot of them are unknown to me. But it gets worse their last warmup was against Portugal, they won 30-17, conceding that many points to Portugal a side solidly in the group of the 5 weakest teams at the RWC, is terrible. But it gets worse still, in Super Rugby the Fijian Drua finished the league phase above the Reds/Force/Rebels and level with the Tahs, only the Brumbies were above them. The Fijian national side is the Drua with Fijians in Europe added. The Wallabies are taking a selection of players from 5 teams and attempting to make that into a single team at the RWC, whilst Fiji are selecting their Super Rugby side that's already better than most Aussie Super Rugby teams and strengthening it. Almost every Welsh starting forward will have at least around 50 caps, and their backline will have guns like Gareth Davies/Biggar/North/Josh Adams/Rees-Zammit/Halfpenny/Liam Williams.

There's a real risk the Wallabies find their inexperienced young pack isn't even capable of competitive Super Rugby standard. If they get beaten in the forwards then they struggle to get out of the pool, and discover every pool match is difficult.

Pool D: The Pumas are the dark horse of the RWC for me. They're a really good side, but for whatever reason aren't rated as a contender. It was only last year that they hammered the Wallabies then backed it up by beating the ABs in NZ in their next match. This year they beat the Wallabies in Aus, then only lost by 1 point to the Boks at Ellis park in their next match. For me easily the best side out of Pool C and D, and therefore a lock in for the semis. They have a decent chance of making it to the final, their route/results/squad mean they should be mentioned along with France/ABs/Boks/Ireland. The Pumas remind me a bit of the Boks in 2007, if England beat them it's a big win for the Poms, but the Pumas putting a marker down is more likely.

Knockouts: The peak is the quarters, after which we know who likely wins.
Feels pretty fair regarding pool B. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's a 3 way tie at the top.

The most Scottish thing would be to finish 3rd on a 3 way tie and go out, so that's what I'm backing.

SA & Ireland do seem to be our particular bogey teams, although a friend of mine from Zimbabwe is convinced Ireland have peaked too soon.

I'd fancy our chances a bit more if the "big" fixtures were reversed. Ireland have better depth and I think that will be quite telling come the Ireland v Scotland match.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:57 pm
_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 12:41 pm Is there a prediction comp? Torq normally runs these?

I've gone through my picks/route. I am ready for the Bok v Ireland final, Boks playing in their teal away kit that was only supposed to sell novelty away jerseys not be used for such a massive match.
Yep there is one.

Join Plan et rugby, my World Cup Predictor league on Superbru! You can find my pool here:

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or by downloading the Superbru app and searching for the pool with code:

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_Os_ wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:49 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:57 pm
_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 12:41 pm Is there a prediction comp? Torq normally runs these?

I've gone through my picks/route. I am ready for the Bok v Ireland final, Boks playing in their teal away kit that was only supposed to sell novelty away jerseys not be used for such a massive match.
Yep there is one.

Join Plan et rugby, my World Cup Predictor league on Superbru! You can find my pool here:

https://www.superbru.com/worldcup_predi ... p=12594481

or by downloading the Superbru app and searching for the pool with code:

duetabut
Baie dankie oom.

Picks are in and locked. :thumbup:
My problem is that I forget to tip. :oops:
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Is the superbru Plan et rugby?
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What will the opening ceremony include?
According to World Rugby, the event will be “showcasing the very best of French culture, while kick-starting rugby’s 200th birthday celebrations”.

Oscar-winning French actor Jean Dujardin will be involved as director, as will show director Olivier Ferracci, stage director Nora Matthey de L’Endroit and more than 200 volunteers. There will be “33 high-profile guests will represent France’s unique savoir-faire in the realms of gastronomy, sports and the arts.”

It has been billed as a very French affair.
Please not. Especially the gastronomy part. I'm serious - please don't.

It will probably consist of two snobbish French types with no manners, drinking red wine and eating garlic snails and frog legs for 90 minutes.


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Trying to pace myself on the beers. It’s bloody hot here this afternoon, but the game doesn’t start for another 2 hour…..
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Hate ITV coverage already
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I can stream the matches.

But it's there a stream for the opening ceremony?
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troglodiet wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:46 pm I can stream the matches.

But it's there a stream for the opening ceremony?
We just finished load shedding. Hopefully the streaming improves. Where are we watching the opening ceremony
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Wtf is this nonsense
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Found it.

[media]https://www.youtube.com/live/7oK8O58zvL ... kl45OPgAtL[/media]

All in French though.
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troglodiet wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:07 pm
What will the opening ceremony include?
According to World Rugby, the event will be “showcasing the very best of French culture, while kick-starting rugby’s 200th birthday celebrations”.

Oscar-winning French actor Jean Dujardin will be involved as director, as will show director Olivier Ferracci, stage director Nora Matthey de L’Endroit and more than 200 volunteers. There will be “33 high-profile guests will represent France’s unique savoir-faire in the realms of gastronomy, sports and the arts.”

It has been billed as a very French affair.
Please not. Especially the gastronomy part. I'm serious - please don't.

It will probably consist of two snobbish French types with no manners, drinking red wine and eating garlic snails and frog legs for 90 minutes.


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Thank your god for load shedding mate
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troglodiet wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:09 pm Found it.

[media]https://www.youtube.com/live/7oK8O58zvL ... kl45OPgAtL[/media]

All in French though.
Fuckers
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Sards wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:07 pm
troglodiet wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:46 pm I can stream the matches.

But it's there a stream for the opening ceremony?
We just finished load shedding. Hopefully the streaming improves. Where are we watching the opening ceremony

Or load shedding was supposed to start 10 minutes ago.

Let's hope. We have had very little load shedding this last year. Probably 3 or 4 times, 2 hours each.
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sturginho wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:09 pm Wtf is this nonsense
Kids rolling about with laughter on the floor.

Enjoying the mademoiselles to be fair
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Hope you like this mess
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Its all a bit avant garde for my taste
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Slick wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:12 pm
sturginho wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:09 pm Wtf is this nonsense
Kids rolling about with laughter on the floor.

Enjoying the mademoiselles to be fair
My kids were bored and disappeared after a couple of minutes.
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Beaumont is an utterly shit speaker
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Yeah this opening was definitely not to my taste either. Compared to the 2019 opening this seems a bit underwhelming. The presentation was not ideal. From what I can remember the 2007 was more to my liking.

So Kane 8s out of the game it seems.
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Macron being heckled...
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ASMO wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:15 pm Its all a bit avant garde for my taste
I cannot speaks foreign.

Does "Avant Garde" mean "very shitty"? :lol:
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This snuck up on me. 0 build up on my feeds.
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BnM wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:30 pm This snuck up on me. 0 build up on my feeds.

Yeah the feeds start at the singing of the anthems.

You'll have to look on live broadcasts on YouTube for build-ups.

And I only managed a French live YouTube broadcast of the opening ceremony. Be thankful you missed it.
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Dogshit anthems as well. I hope the kids choir thing is just for this game.
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Brutal for Macron

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BnM wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:28 pm Brutal for Macron

He is loathed.
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Have to say, the fairly terrible opening ceremony, butchering of the anthem, poor behaviour of the French players and rubbish game have rather taken the shine off this after all the build up

I’m sure it will get better but a bit down on it all at the moment
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Slick wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:02 pm Have to say, the fairly terrible opening ceremony, butchering of the anthem, poor behaviour of the French players and rubbish game have rather taken the shine off this after all the build up

I’m sure it will get better but a bit down on it all at the moment
I really enjoyed the game!

What was the poor behaviour from the French players?
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laurent wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:14 pm Hope you like this mess
It was utterly bizarre
I was there and hadn’t got a clue what was happening or what it meant to represent
WTF was the flying chefs hat about
It was also ear bleedingly loud in the stadium
Fantastic atmosphere during the match mind
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EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:14 pm
Simian wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:39 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:02 pm Have to say, the fairly terrible opening ceremony, butchering of the anthem, poor behaviour of the French players and rubbish game have rather taken the shine off this after all the build up

I’m sure it will get better but a bit down on it all at the moment
I really enjoyed the game!

What was the poor behaviour from the French players?
Bit of diving and playacting. Standard bolloxology from this team
And Ficou in the refs face doing the “give him a card” actions.

Anyway, onwards, excited again this morning!
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EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:14 pm
Simian wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:39 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:02 pm Have to say, the fairly terrible opening ceremony, butchering of the anthem, poor behaviour of the French players and rubbish game have rather taken the shine off this after all the build up

I’m sure it will get better but a bit down on it all at the moment
I really enjoyed the game!

What was the poor behaviour from the French players?
Bit of diving and playacting. Standard bolloxology from this team
Irony alert.
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shaggy wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:07 am
EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:14 pm
Simian wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:39 pm

I really enjoyed the game!

What was the poor behaviour from the French players?
Bit of diving and playacting. Standard bolloxology from this team
Irony alert.
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What the actual fucking fuck????
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These anthems are shite. Turning passionate anthems in to church choir shite.
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Not sure I am on board with this acappella choir approach to anthems.
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They are horrible, you want to hear the fans and players belting out the anthems, not a load of crotch goblins.
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ASMO wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 11:01 am They are horrible, you want to hear the fans and players belting out the anthems, not a load of kids.
Hear hear.

I love a choir, but a children's choir singing national anthems in a big stadium full of echo is not going to work.
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Ioane butchers an easy try
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On Rai2 the sound is ahead of the picture
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