RWCR1 Scotland vs Springboks

[Guy Smiley]

Try 100 years of it.

Now harden the fuck up and stop crying, little girl.

we're marching our way to the quarter finals, I've been smiling since Sunday night.

What's your excuse?

I’m not interested in excuses but I understand why you would assume that. Not everyone thinks like you do.

[average joe]

A few grumpy buggers on here lately. The Scots I get, they're Scottish. But the Kiwis, I wonder what the reason can be for their discomfort.

[Guy Smiley]

I’m not uncomfortable. Things are turning out pretty much as most of us Kiwis expected regarding our team, we’ve got nothing to be uncomfortable about. In fact, the thought of Razor taking his Crusader coaching form onto the international stage with the All Blacks give me the spins because the blood has rushed to my enormous hard on.

It is funny watching you Saffas revert to the same old paranoid conspiracy stuff though, when the heat of the spotlight is turned onto your dodgy tactics. Everyone knows you cheat, you just can’t accept it. Circle the wagons boets, it’s what you do best

[_Os_]

Bound to what?

Pieter-Steph du Toit, the player multiple posters said he wasn't bound to, when he always was. It was pointed out it wasn't clear the Scottish player was bound, I said "fair enough" and was happy to leave it at that. Then you decided you wanted more.

You know I'm never going to get tired of talking about any aspect of this match. Even after working all night it fires me up.

[assfly]

Everyone knows you cheat, you just can’t accept it.

What have the Springboks done that you consider cheating?

[average joe]

Everyone knows you cheat, you just can’t accept it.

What have the Springboks done that you consider cheating?

They bought to much water and now France has a water shortage.

[Slick]

Bound to what?

Pieter-Steph du Toit, the player multiple posters said he wasn't bound to, when he always was. It was pointed out it wasn't clear the Scottish player was bound, I said "fair enough" and was happy to leave it at that. Then you decided you wanted more.

You know I'm never going to get tired of talking about any aspect of this match. Even after working all night it fires me up.

I think you're getting a bit lost in your own nonsense here. You are the one insisting it was a maul at the same time as accepting the Scottish player wasn't bound so it couldn't be a maul. Even a 7 or 8 year Scottish kid knows that's not a maul. So penalty Scotland for pre binding from where we go on to beat a 14 man SA, wonderful stuff.

You know I'm never going to get tired of talking about any aspect of this match. Even after working all night it fires me up

This is the really strange thing. I appreciate that no one has a higher opinion of you than yourself, but to spend 2 or 3 pages arguing and contradicting over the minutiae of an incident when every Scottish person on here has said well done, the better team won, is, at best, odd.

[Sandstorm]

I look forward to some loosie targeting Libbok, then ending up clutching air as Manie steps him and takes off down the pitch.

He has played 10 matches and lost against France and the current NZ. He is not the messiah he is just a very nifty boy. Knowing he is playing gives me a bit more confidence because as noted you have a stronger bench. There was thqt much space that cross field kick for the try could have been executed by a blind man falling over his dog.

Are all Irish fans as nervous as you are about going up against the Boks?

[average joe]

I’m not uncomfortable. Things are turning out pretty much as most of us Kiwis expected regarding our team, we’ve got nothing to be uncomfortable about. In fact, the thought of Razor taking his Crusader coaching form onto the international stage with the All Blacks give me the spins because the blood has rushed to my enormous hard on.

It is funny watching you Saffas revert to the same old paranoid conspiracy stuff though, when the heat of the spotlight is turned onto your dodgy tactics. Everyone knows you cheat, you just can’t accept it. Circle the wagons boets, it’s what you do best

We have heat, and Rassie brought his spotlight, but I still don't see any dodgy tactics worthy of being called cheating.
Since you mentioned your coaches, there's something I don't understand. When you lose it's all because "Foster is a shit coach" but when you win it's "Foster had nothing to do with it, It's Smith and Rayn".
They're all dogshit or all brilliant according to me. Also, with announcing the next coach right before the WC, NZ Rugby admitted they fucked up and doomed this team from the get-go.

[OomStruisbaai]

Guy they are incorrigible. My favorite this weekend has been them shiteing on about Libboks 'no look' kick for the try.I am going to run through it frame by frame for you

1. Arendse finds himself in so much space he momentarily thinks he has strayed onto the seconds pitch
2. Libbok sees this by looking. He then stares that direction with his eyes
3. He kicks the ball while staring at the ball. A well known tactic to ensure the foot connects.
4. As the ball leaves his foot he looks away
5. The look is weird and laughable because it is like he is trying to do a no look kick AFTER he has looked and kicked.
6. I expect everyone to laugh but quite unexpectedly people are impressed

Why did Arendse find himself in so much space?

[average joe]

It does not matter oom, they were cheating, and the Scots were too thirsty to bother.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Guy they are incorrigible. My favorite this weekend has been them shiteing on about Libboks 'no look' kick for the try.I am going to run through it frame by frame for you

1. Arendse finds himself in so much space he momentarily thinks he has strayed onto the seconds pitch
2. Libbok sees this by looking. He then stares that direction with his eyes
3. He kicks the ball while staring at the ball. A well known tactic to ensure the foot connects.
4. As the ball leaves his foot he looks away
5. The look is weird and laughable because it is like he is trying to do a no look kick AFTER he has looked and kicked.
6. I expect everyone to laugh but quite unexpectedly people are impressed

Thought it was a nice try, finished off nicely by Arendse. Calm down man.

[Slick]

Guy they are incorrigible. My favorite this weekend has been them shiteing on about Libboks 'no look' kick for the try.I am going to run through it frame by frame for you

1. Arendse finds himself in so much space he momentarily thinks he has strayed onto the seconds pitch
2. Libbok sees this by looking. He then stares that direction with his eyes
3. He kicks the ball while staring at the ball. A well known tactic to ensure the foot connects.
4. As the ball leaves his foot he looks away
5. The look is weird and laughable because it is like he is trying to do a no look kick AFTER he has looked and kicked.
6. I expect everyone to laugh but quite unexpectedly people are impressed

Thought it was a nice try, finished off nicely by Arendse. Calm down man.

Indeed it was.

[OomStruisbaai]

[Slick]

It does not matter oom, they were cheating, and the Scots were too thirsty to bother.

Honestly mate, what is wrong with some of you lot? All of us were more than happy to say well done, best team won and leave it at that, but we have had 2 days of some of you running around trying to cause friction and prove tiny points we weren't even bothered about. It's a real look into the psyche of an incredibly thin skinned group.

I'm done with this thread, it's pathetic and not why I watch rugby.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

So we're in agreement Kitshoff doesn't stay bound, at minimum he swims to the front of the maul changing his bind and thus really needs to get out and rejoin. But it's quite common to see nothing done in such scenarios as the notion of what constitutes a bind in practice is given quite some leeway.

And it's clearly not on a par with ignoring the headbutt from Kriel

[OomStruisbaai]

Guy they are incorrigible. My favorite this weekend has been them shiteing on about Libboks 'no look' kick for the try.I am going to run through it frame by frame for you

1. Arendse finds himself in so much space he momentarily thinks he has strayed onto the seconds pitch
2. Libbok sees this by looking. He then stares that direction with his eyes
3. He kicks the ball while staring at the ball. A well known tactic to ensure the foot connects.
4. As the ball leaves his foot he looks away
5. The look is weird and laughable because it is like he is trying to do a no look kick AFTER he has looked and kicked.
6. I expect everyone to laugh but quite unexpectedly people are impressed

[Insane_Homer]

So we're in agreement Kitshoff doesn't stay bound, at minimum he swims to the front of the maul changing his bind and thus really needs to get out and rejoin. But it's quite common to see nothing done in such scenarios as the notion of what constitutes a bind in practice is given quite some leeway.

And it's clearly not on a par with ignoring the headbutt from Kriel

Don't forget the try saving seat belt tackle on Arendse that wasn't even penalised or look at?

[OomStruisbaai]

It does not matter oom, they were cheating, and the Scots were too thirsty to bother.

Usually he complain about his own referees.

[assfly]

It does not matter oom, they were cheating, and the Scots were too thirsty to bother.

Honestly mate, what is wrong with some of you lot? All of us were more than happy to say well done, best team won and leave it at that, but we have had 2 days of some of you running around trying to cause friction and prove tiny points we weren't even bothered about. It's a real look into the psyche of an incredibly thin skinned group.

I'm done with this thread, it's pathetic and not why I watch rugby.

Says the guy who starts a thread to call our coach a cunt.

[average joe]

It does not matter oom, they were cheating, and the Scots were too thirsty to bother.

Honestly mate, what is wrong with some of you lot? All of us were more than happy to say well done, best team won and leave it at that, but we have had 2 days of some of you running around trying to cause friction and prove tiny points we weren't even bothered about. It's a real look into the psyche of an incredibly thin skinned group.

I'm done with this thread, it's pathetic and not why I watch rugby.

Because all of yous can't congratulate a team without complaining about some sort of injustice. Kriels tackle, Kitshoff wasn't bound, he joined from an offside position, oh he was bound, and he did join correctly but it wasn't a maul, the waterboys, DJ's Rassie's disco lights. So, congarts Boks, you were the better team but only because you cheated.

[Insane_Homer]

4. Before the ball hits his foot he looks away

Fixed

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[inactionman]

4. Before the ball hits his foot he looks away

Fixed

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Poor technique

[OomStruisbaai]

Guy they are incorrigible. My favorite this weekend has been them shiteing on about Libboks 'no look' kick for the try.I am going to run through it frame by frame for you

1. Arendse finds himself in so much space he momentarily thinks he has strayed onto the seconds pitch
2. Libbok sees this by looking. He then stares that direction with his eyes
3. He kicks the ball while staring at the ball. A well known tactic to ensure the foot connects.
4. As the ball leaves his foot he looks away
5. The look is weird and laughable because it is like he is trying to do a no look kick AFTER he has looked and kicked.
6. I expect everyone to laugh but quite unexpectedly people are impressed

Not allowed watch it. Rassie at it again?

No, Sorry, probably SS restriction.

[Sards]

Vok me,

Some are walking around here with such a large hardon since Sunday they havent been able to change their rods...

Calm down lads.
One slip up in the quarters and you are all going to look like dicks.

[OomStruisbaai]

from Outeniqua High School page

[SaintK]

It does not matter oom, they were cheating, and the Scots were too thirsty to bother.

Honestly mate, what is wrong with some of you lot? All of us were more than happy to say well done, best team won and leave it at that, but we have had 2 days of some of you running around trying to cause friction and prove tiny points we weren't even bothered about. It's a real look into the psyche of an incredibly thin skinned group.

I'm done with this thread, it's pathetic and not why I watch rugby.

Because all of yous can't congratulate a team without complaining about some sort of injustice. Kriels tackle, Kitshoff wasn't bound, he joined from an offside position, oh he was bound, and he did join correctly but it wasn't a maul, the waterboys, DJ's Rassie's disco lights. So, congarts Boks, you were the better team but only because you cheated.

Dio fuck off!
None of the Saffas I know are as thin skinned as you

[OomStruisbaai]

Vok me,

Some are walking around here with such a large hardon since Sunday they havent been able to change their rods...

Calm down lads.
One slip up in the quarters and you are all going to look like dicks.

I thought Manie gave you a hardon but then you are well past it.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Stills are great, unless you’re serious about illustrating the entire sequence of events.

He’s bound initially. He has to stay bound.

You will not be able to find a frame where his right hand isn't bound near Du Toit's right armpit/back, or even a frame where the hand isn't visible but his body is positioned in such a way the hand couldn't be there.

That's an awful lot of pictures of a player who isn't bound - thanks for clearing that up.

Giving your mate a back rub isn't a bind. The laws and examples are clear on that and we've seen players penalised for hanging on to their teammates shirt.

You might also want to read up on 'swimming' which is also prohibited.

Thanks for providing the stills demonstrating both the above points. It saves me making a gif.

[Sards]

Vok me,

Some are walking around here with such a large hardon since Sunday they havent been able to change their rods...

Calm down lads.
One slip up in the quarters and you are all going to look like dicks.

I thought Manie gave you a hardon but then you are well past it.

Damn right....I can't hold a hardon for long......But ffs...................Geez. I don't think I am beating my vokken dick a tenth as much as some on here....some humility please

[Rhubarb & Custard]

So we're in agreement Kitshoff doesn't stay bound, at minimum he swims to the front of the maul changing his bind and thus really needs to get out and rejoin. But it's quite common to see nothing done in such scenarios as the notion of what constitutes a bind in practice is given quite some leeway.

And it's clearly not on a par with ignoring the headbutt from Kriel

Don't forget the try saving seat belt tackle on Arendse that wasn't even penalised or look at?

That I truly have no recollection of. But sure, that might be a thing too. Still minded to think the blatant red card would be the bigger thing

[average joe]

So we're in agreement Kitshoff doesn't stay bound, at minimum he swims to the front of the maul changing his bind and thus really needs to get out and rejoin. But it's quite common to see nothing done in such scenarios as the notion of what constitutes a bind in practice is given quite some leeway.

And it's clearly not on a par with ignoring the headbutt from Kriel

Don't forget the try saving seat belt tackle on Arendse that wasn't even penalised or look at?

That I truly have no recollection of. But sure, that might be a thing too. Still minded to think the blatant red card would be the bigger thing

First contact was with the ball. And since when is it legal to choke players in an attempt to hold them up?

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Don't forget the try saving seat belt tackle on Arendse that wasn't even penalised or look at?

That I truly have no recollection of. But sure, that might be a thing too. Still minded to think the blatant red card would be the bigger thing

First contact was with the ball. And since when is it legal to choke players in an attempt to hold them up?

I'm not saying a choke is legal, I'm saying I don't recall the incident. I'm making no attempt to deny its existence or comment on the seriousness because of the afore mentioned no recollection of it. Perhaps I'd gone for a piss or a beer, perhaps I was chatting to someone, indeed amongst my friends was my daughter who's decided she wants to watch (some of) the games, though in her case watching consists of actually watching a movie on her phone (A Quiet Place 2 for the record) whilst asking the occasional question which betrays until now a certain lack of interest in rugby, such as what's a knock-on? (and even she could tell Kitshoff wasn't bound)

And I don't care if first contact was with the ball as that's incidental, he was always high and was always going to head to head whether he touched the ball or not. They pretty clearly set out that's a red and now are deciding to ignore it for reasons, and in SA's case they're going for repeat games of ignoring clear red cards, which is nice for SA if that lasts

[Insane_Homer]

Don't forget the try saving seat belt tackle on Arendse that wasn't even penalised or look at?

That I truly have no recollection of. But sure, that might be a thing too. Still minded to think the blatant red card would be the bigger thing

So we agree, the ref and TMO were consistently shit

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Don't forget the try saving seat belt tackle on Arendse that wasn't even penalised or look at?

That I truly have no recollection of. But sure, that might be a thing too. Still minded to think the blatant red card would be the bigger thing

So we agree, the ref and TMO were consistently shit

the big thing for the ref in this game was the scrum, and that seems to be something of a lottery for the ref standing there never mind trying to work out what's happening via a TV screen. though I continue to dislike a scrum being pushed backwards is a penalty, indeed I dislike generally a restart of the game following a technical error results in penalties gifting territory (and possession if you can win your lineout) and/or 3 point shots at goal. I want there to be scrums, but I want them to restart the game not lead to penalties, but that's a decades old issue so seems rather unlikely to change

[Simian]

Everyone knows you cheat, you just can’t accept it.

What have the Springboks done that you consider cheating?

Biltong

[SaintK]

Everyone knows you cheat, you just can’t accept it.

What have the Springboks done that you consider cheating?

Biltong

[average joe]

That I truly have no recollection of. But sure, that might be a thing too. Still minded to think the blatant red card would be the bigger thing

First contact was with the ball. And since when is it legal to choke players in an attempt to hold them up?

I'm not saying a choke is legal, I'm saying I don't recall the incident. I'm making no attempt to deny its existence or comment on the seriousness because of the afore mentioned no recollection of it. Perhaps I'd gone for a piss or a beer, perhaps I was chatting to someone, indeed amongst my friends was my daughter who's decided she wants to watch (some of) the games, though in her case watching consists of actually watching a movie on her phone (A Quiet Place 2 for the record) whilst asking the occasional question which betrays until now a certain lack of interest in rugby, such as what's a knock-on? (and even she could tell Kitshoff wasn't bound)

And I don't care if first contact was with the ball as that's incidental, he was always high and was always going to head to head whether he touched the ball or not. They pretty clearly set out that's a red and now are deciding to ignore it for reasons, and in SA's case they're going for repeat games of ignoring clear red cards, which is nice for SA if that lasts

I wasn't talking about the seatbelt tackle on Arendse, I was referring to a Scottish player putting his arm around de Allende's neck and choking him in an attempt to hold him up and winning the ball back for Scotland by doing so. I'm actually on par with you on the Kriel issue. No player has an excuse to go into contact that high.

Thing is we can sit here and point out all the slight injustices against our team and call the other team cheats but in effect both teams got away with something. Kriel was lucky not to get carded, Russel was lucky not to get carded. SA got away with a supposed illegal maul try, Scotland got away with chocking a player.

[average joe]

That I truly have no recollection of. But sure, that might be a thing too. Still minded to think the blatant red card would be the bigger thing

So we agree, the ref and TMO were consistently shit

the big thing for the ref in this game was the scrum, and that seems to be something of a lottery for the ref standing there never mind trying to work out what's happening via a TV screen. though I continue to dislike a scrum being pushed backwards is a penalty, indeed I dislike generally a restart of the game following a technical error results in penalties gifting territory (and possession if you can win your lineout) and/or 3 point shots at goal. I want there to be scrums, but I want them to restart the game not lead to penalties, but that's a decades old issue so seems rather unlikely to change

A scrum being pushed backwards is not a penalty. A team being pushed backwards doing something illegal and or dangerous to stop being pushed back is illegal and should result in a penalty.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

So we agree, the ref and TMO were consistently shit

the big thing for the ref in this game was the scrum, and that seems to be something of a lottery for the ref standing there never mind trying to work out what's happening via a TV screen. though I continue to dislike a scrum being pushed backwards is a penalty, indeed I dislike generally a restart of the game following a technical error results in penalties gifting territory (and possession if you can win your lineout) and/or 3 point shots at goal. I want there to be scrums, but I want them to restart the game not lead to penalties, but that's a decades old issue so seems rather unlikely to change

A scrum being pushed backwards is not a penalty. A team being pushed backwards doing something illegal and or dangerous to stop being pushed back is illegal and should result in a penalty.

I've yet to hear how a team is supposed to march a scrum back in coordinated fashion.

For mine if you've to the ball you've now got a good attacking platform to work off in attack, if they've got the ball and are under pressure they've got a bad platform to work off. I'm fine with both of those outcomes from a restart, so ball back in play and let's get on with the game without a penalty

But if restarts result in penalties it skews the game, and without the ball ever being in play to contest. That might be something, but it isn't rugby