Stop voting for fucking Tories

[TheNatalShark]

Ganesh is a pure wordy baiter retention by the FT.

I don't think I've ever seen a journalist there supporting him, but many ironically subposting him

[Insane_Homer]

Former Tory whip Chris Pincher resigns over groping suspension

Another by-election incoming.

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-chri ... s-12956582

Could the Raving Loony Monster Party please put forward a candidate named "Gropy McPincher"

[Slick]

Not my area but was reading that RAAC is still being used in new builds and has been for a long time. Certainly there’s the fairly well known issues with estates in Donegal, but sounds like we’re sleepwalking into a car crash

Someone else's car crash

[Rhubarb & Custard]

The issue coming out of Grenfell was hardly just cladding, mostly in fact it's not cladding, and probably most of the issues with the cheap post war crap we built perhaps starting to catch up with us isn't RAAC. Frankly any attempt to just make it about RAAC is an attempt to deflect from the true size of the problem

Grenfell was like a lot of the shit happening. It highlights the gutting of public services, & what happens when there's little to no threat of a building inspector, or tax inspector, or some other hard working public servant turning up & closing down of the site, or business, & the levying of a huge fine.

The Tories love to rage against Big Government, but it was Big Government that kept them out of trouble a lot of the time.

Grenfell is also something of an odd situation. Most sites haven't had money spent on them, or not enough, on maintenance and upgrades. Grenfell had a lot of money spent on it trying to do some useful things but actually lousing things up outside the cladding, and then the cladding whilst not cheap as such was still trying to do something on the cheap when a different material was needed and highlights insufficient oversight in building standards (and probably selling practices at companies but that really is a minefield to walk out onto)

[Paddington Bear]

Not my area but was reading that RAAC is still being used in new builds and has been for a long time. Certainly there’s the fairly well known issues with estates in Donegal, but sounds like we’re sleepwalking into a car crash

Someone else's car crash

Not that there’s tonnes of new builds round me, but they were an absolute no when we were house hunting. Quite depressing when you think about it

[_Os_]

Janan Ganesh is Gideon Osbourne's chosen biohrapher and a total psycophant. An ex think tank researcher. He's less a journalist and more a campaigner.

The thinktank was Policy Exchange, which is to the right of Tufton Street on many issues. There's two things wrong with the article.

1. He compares the UK to other countries. But they don't all use the same electoral system. As he points out the AFD is strong in Germany but as he also points out Germany has seen very little populism from those in power. Germany has some serious issues a large right wing coup plot was discovered recently, but crackpot minority views have had nothing like the political impact seen elsewhere. It doesn't matter if the AFD is the second largest party in Germany, short of an outright majority of the vote it needs a coalition to get into power. He doesn't connect the electoral system being different. The UK's populist shit show is similar to the US, because both use a FPTP system and have two dominant parties, it's as simple as that.

2. He thinks Thatcher/Blair are the end point of all political history. In one of his FT articles he praised the purging of socialists from positions of power in Labour, then said it hadn't gone far enough and liberals (Hilary Benn rejoin the EU types) were also too political and they too needed to be purged. There's no possibility of any change coming from this politics. His politics is that there should be no politics. The status quo he supports has already produced the BNP and UKIP and other smaller parties to the right of the Tories that together have managed to pull the Tories into populism, and on the fringes into the far right and American style conspiracy theories. If one of the two main parties has gone crazy in a two party FPTP system and it's the one usually in power, then it's not a small problem. Brexit was never going to give those who supported it anything they wanted, they're not going to come to some profound realisation they have made their own lives worse, instead their lives getting worse and the status quo remaining unchanged means they become more easily conned next time.

It's completely possible that Braverman becomes the next Tory leader after Sunak fails in a GE, which gives her a non-zero chance of becoming PM. The Tories are currently polling between 24% and 31% usually they're around 27%-ish, this is during an ongoing disaster run in government. 35% gives any party a fighting chance of a majority, 40% is a majority. Could a Braverman led Tory party ranting about Labour and immigrants for five years get the Tories into a position where they could win again, whilst Starmer battles the mess trying to find any improvements whilst also promising to change next to nothing? The answer isn't "no definitely not", and that's entirely on people like Ganesh.

[sturginho]

the torygraph are as deluded as ever

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/0 ... -disaster/

[_Os_]

the torygraph are as deluded as ever

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/0 ... -disaster/

Grant is awful. Just another Tory seeking to turn politics into entertainment, her writing isn't about any actual policies or just simple facts, it's about getting down the best zingers she can come up with attacking opponents. Full on tribalism. This is how she ended up writing about how brilliant Liz Truss was after she became PM, based on a PMQs performance.

Someone dealing in substance doesn't write the stuff she does. The Telegraph has become a loony newspaper. Total flight from reality.

[Simian]

Lmao at that characterisation of Sunak. Jesus Christ.

It’s certainly an ‘interesting’ view… like, wtaf?!

[I like neeps]

This is funny.

It is worth noting Labour don't actually have a plan for growth either. I doubt even Reeves believes what she is saying.

[JM2K6]

It's not quite "trickle down economics" but yes, it's still garbage. "Get the economy growing" is a meaningless statement when being asked to tackle poverty.

She and Streeting are two of the worst parts of Starmer's approach.

[tabascoboy]

It's not quite "trickle down economics" but yes, it's still garbage. "Get the economy growing" is a meaningless statement when being asked to tackle poverty.

She and Streeting are two of the worst parts of Starmer's approach.

I'd be the first to admit that economics is something of an esoteric mystery to me but constantly hearing about "growing the economy" just sound increasingly like some wishy-washy pipe-dreaming that avoids having to detail explicitly just how either party truly intends to prevent this ever faster rolling shitcart from going over the edge.

[Hal Jordan]

I know a joke about trickle down economics, but 99% of you wouldn't get it.

[fishfoodie]

The issue coming out of Grenfell was hardly just cladding, mostly in fact it's not cladding, and probably most of the issues with the cheap post war crap we built perhaps starting to catch up with us isn't RAAC. Frankly any attempt to just make it about RAAC is an attempt to deflect from the true size of the problem

Grenfell was like a lot of the shit happening. It highlights the gutting of public services, & what happens when there's little to no threat of a building inspector, or tax inspector, or some other hard working public servant turning up & closing down of the site, or business, & the levying of a huge fine.

The Tories love to rage against Big Government, but it was Big Government that kept them out of trouble a lot of the time.

Grenfell is also something of an odd situation. Most sites haven't had money spent on them, or not enough, on maintenance and upgrades. Grenfell had a lot of money spent on it trying to do some useful things but actually lousing things up outside the cladding, and then the cladding whilst not cheap as such was still trying to do something on the cheap when a different material was needed and highlights insufficient oversight in building standards (and probably selling practices at companies but that really is a minefield to walk out onto)

It was only after I thought about this a bit, that I spotted a question I'd like the inquiry to ask.

The tragedy occured because materials that weren't approved for highrise use, were used; but I can almost guarantee you that the materials that would have been suitable for use on Grenfell, were considerably more costly.

So why would any salesman sell the customer the cheaper version, when they knew the proper one was more expensive, so their commission would have be greater if they sold the correct one ?

There are probably two possible explanations:

1) The Salesman didn't have anything suitable to sell for highrises.
2) The contract was a fixed budget, & he sold them as much as he could to use up the budgetted amount.

If it's 2, then if all comes back on those who specced the refurb, & budgetted for the materials.

[Insane_Homer]

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[Line6 HXFX]

The way I see it, most of currency is held by a tiny amount of people in the U.K. and for it to keep its value for them, the rest of us have to be poor as shit.
And that's it.
David Cameron was asked if one person's wealth means thousands of peoples poverty, he didn't put out a arguement against this, didn't refer to some economic scientists...he just said " I don't believe that".
That was it.
No political party can say " OK folks, we are severely poverty dependent society, and most of you have to have shitty short, brutal lives, and be slandered and smeared and attacked if you dare stand up to us wealthy cunts or if you misbehave"...

Problem is the wealthy have completely abandoned the social contract. They are sending us to foodbanks and killing us. Smearing, starving, terrorising and slandering the people they need to behave., in the hope that they don't behave and will be arrested and put in Prison.
There is no social contract, guiding ideology or society. There is just one group with money and power threatening and manipulating the much bigger group, who they are actually quite terrified of.

But we all know this. And would rather talk and do nothing,as doing anything will land you in jail.

[C69]

In other news in some places in England the standing charges for a typical gas and electricity for an average customer is going to be over £300 a year even if you use no energy.

Taking the piss big style really.
Tories have toothless bodies in ofgen and ofwat.
Profits protected and the public screwed again and again.

[dpedin]

In other news in some places in England the standing charges for a typical gas and electricity for an average customer is going to be over £300 a year even if you use no energy.

Taking the piss big style really.
Tories have toothless bodies in ofgen and ofwat.
Profits protected and the public screwed again and again.

I looked up the latest standing charges - see. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ember-2023

According to these figures I live in South Scotland which has the 2nd highest selectivity standing charge in UK - why? My stand charge for the year will be £382 based on multiplying rates by 365 and adding on 20% vat.

As has been said before increasing the standing charge is a penalty on the poor who inevitably use less power than the better off. Martin Lewis has been pushing this agenda for ages but the power company puppets in Gov refuse to move on this. Their main worry is if people see an actual reduction in bills due to lower usage then demand for gas and electric will fall faster and of course the big power companies don't want this at all!

[TheNatalShark]

According to these figures I live in South Scotland which has the 2nd highest selectivity standing charge in UK - why? My stand charge for the year will be £382 based on multiplying rates by 365 and adding on 20% vat.

VAT on the standing charge should also be 5% as bundled with the main service provided at 5%

[dpedin]

According to these figures I live in South Scotland which has the 2nd highest selectivity standing charge in UK - why? My stand charge for the year will be £382 based on multiplying rates by 365 and adding on 20% vat.

VAT on the standing charge should also be 5% as bundled with the main service provided at 5%

My mistake - so bill is c£335 pa for combined standing charge.

[petej]

In other news in some places in England the standing charges for a typical gas and electricity for an average customer is going to be over £300 a year even if you use no energy.

Taking the piss big style really.
Tories have toothless bodies in ofgen and ofwat.
Profits protected and the public screwed again and again.

I looked up the latest standing charges - see. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ember-2023

According to these figures I live in South Scotland which has the 2nd highest selectivity standing charge in UK - why? My stand charge for the year will be £382 based on multiplying rates by 365 and adding on 20% vat.

As has been said before increasing the standing charge is a penalty on the poor who inevitably use less power than the better off. Martin Lewis has been pushing this agenda for ages but the power company puppets in Gov refuse to move on this. Their main worry is if people see an actual reduction in bills due to lower usage then demand for gas and electric will fall faster and of course the big power companies don't want this at all!

It is also a penalty on those who have very efficient houses. It is really a benefit to those who have inefficient large houses who lets be honest will be older and more likely to vote for the Tories.

[petej]

Grenfell was like a lot of the shit happening. It highlights the gutting of public services, & what happens when there's little to no threat of a building inspector, or tax inspector, or some other hard working public servant turning up & closing down of the site, or business, & the levying of a huge fine.

The Tories love to rage against Big Government, but it was Big Government that kept them out of trouble a lot of the time.

Grenfell is also something of an odd situation. Most sites haven't had money spent on them, or not enough, on maintenance and upgrades. Grenfell had a lot of money spent on it trying to do some useful things but actually lousing things up outside the cladding, and then the cladding whilst not cheap as such was still trying to do something on the cheap when a different material was needed and highlights insufficient oversight in building standards (and probably selling practices at companies but that really is a minefield to walk out onto)

It was only after I thought about this a bit, that I spotted a question I'd like the inquiry to ask.

The tragedy occured because materials that weren't approved for highrise use, were used; but I can almost guarantee you that the materials that would have been suitable for use on Grenfell, were considerably more costly.

So why would any salesman sell the customer the cheaper version, when they knew the proper one was more expensive, so their commission would have be greater if they sold the correct one ?

There are probably two possible explanations:

1) The Salesman didn't have anything suitable to sell for highrises.
2) The contract was a fixed budget, & he sold them as much as he could to use up the budgetted amount.

If it's 2, then if all comes back on those who specced the refurb, & budgetted for the materials.

3) they used the cheapest material suggested to them by a supplier and don't be surprised if the cost difference between that and something safe is tiny.

If you think things like aircraft and power stations are made of the best materials for the job think again. They are made from the cheapest materials from cheapest suppliers they can get away with and sometimes can't get away with

[Lobby]

Grenfell is also something of an odd situation. Most sites haven't had money spent on them, or not enough, on maintenance and upgrades. Grenfell had a lot of money spent on it trying to do some useful things but actually lousing things up outside the cladding, and then the cladding whilst not cheap as such was still trying to do something on the cheap when a different material was needed and highlights insufficient oversight in building standards (and probably selling practices at companies but that really is a minefield to walk out onto)

It was only after I thought about this a bit, that I spotted a question I'd like the inquiry to ask.

The tragedy occured because materials that weren't approved for highrise use, were used; but I can almost guarantee you that the materials that would have been suitable for use on Grenfell, were considerably more costly.

So why would any salesman sell the customer the cheaper version, when they knew the proper one was more expensive, so their commission would have be greater if they sold the correct one ?

There are probably two possible explanations:

1) The Salesman didn't have anything suitable to sell for highrises.
2) The contract was a fixed budget, & he sold them as much as he could to use up the budgetted amount.

If it's 2, then if all comes back on those who specced the refurb, & budgetted for the materials.

3) they used the cheapest material suggested to them by a supplier and don't be surprised if the cost difference between that and something safe is tiny.

If you think things like aircraft and power stations are made of the best materials for the job think again. They are made from the cheapest materials from cheapest suppliers they can get away with and sometimes can't get away with

As John Glenn said about the Apollo missions:

“I guess the question I'm asked the most often is: "When you were sitting in that capsule listening to the count-down, how did you feel?" Well, the answer to that one is easy. I felt exactly how you would feel if you were getting ready to launch and knew you were sitting on top of two million parts -- all built by the lowest bidder on a government contract.”


With regard to Grenfell Tower, the cladding used on the Grenfell Tower consistently failed fire safety tests and fell a long way short of the Standards required for use on tall buildings. However, the supplier argued that test results were commercially sensitive and managed to persuade the relevant British Safety Body that evidence from the European tests the cladding had managed to pass meant it could be regarded as having met the British standard (when in fact it was nowhere near).

In addition, the safety tests it had 'passed' were for use in a rivet installation system. When used in the 'cassette' mounting system used on Grenfell the cladding was so flammable that it failed to even complete the safety tests. However, purchasers of the cladding were never informed of this additional information and it was sold for use in cassette systems on the basis that it met the relevant standards, when it demonstrably did not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56403431

[shaggy]

Grenfell is also something of an odd situation. Most sites haven't had money spent on them, or not enough, on maintenance and upgrades. Grenfell had a lot of money spent on it trying to do some useful things but actually lousing things up outside the cladding, and then the cladding whilst not cheap as such was still trying to do something on the cheap when a different material was needed and highlights insufficient oversight in building standards (and probably selling practices at companies but that really is a minefield to walk out onto)

It was only after I thought about this a bit, that I spotted a question I'd like the inquiry to ask.

The tragedy occured because materials that weren't approved for highrise use, were used; but I can almost guarantee you that the materials that would have been suitable for use on Grenfell, were considerably more costly.

So why would any salesman sell the customer the cheaper version, when they knew the proper one was more expensive, so their commission would have be greater if they sold the correct one ?

There are probably two possible explanations:

1) The Salesman didn't have anything suitable to sell for highrises.
2) The contract was a fixed budget, & he sold them as much as he could to use up the budgetted amount.

If it's 2, then if all comes back on those who specced the refurb, & budgetted for the materials.

3) they used the cheapest material suggested to them by a supplier and don't be surprised if the cost difference between that and something safe is tiny.

If you think things like aircraft and power stations are made of the best materials for the job think again. They are made from the cheapest materials from cheapest suppliers they can get away with and sometimes can't get away with

No industry is different. If it meets the technical specification in a tendering process it simply comes down to lowest cost.

Obviously with building and fire safety in this case the meeting of the tech spec was questionable, but it does not change the outcome of lowest cost wins.

[Biffer]

In other news in some places in England the standing charges for a typical gas and electricity for an average customer is going to be over £300 a year even if you use no energy.

Taking the piss big style really.
Tories have toothless bodies in ofgen and ofwat.
Profits protected and the public screwed again and again.

I looked up the latest standing charges - see. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ember-2023

According to these figures I live in South Scotland which has the 2nd highest selectivity standing charge in UK - why? My stand charge for the year will be £382 based on multiplying rates by 365 and adding on 20% vat.

As has been said before increasing the standing charge is a penalty on the poor who inevitably use less power than the better off. Martin Lewis has been pushing this agenda for ages but the power company puppets in Gov refuse to move on this. Their main worry is if people see an actual reduction in bills due to lower usage then demand for gas and electric will fall faster and of course the big power companies don't want this at all!

It is also a penalty on those who have very efficient houses. It is really a benefit to those who have inefficient large houses who lets be honest will be older and more likely to vote for the Tories.

My standing charge is about 40% of my bill

[tc27]

Pension triple lock will see an 8% in state pensions next year. A benefit given without means testing to one of the wealthiest demographics in the UK.

A not a single party will challenge this consensus. The politics and economic prospects of an OAP heavy population with a falling birth rate are terrible,

[fishfoodie]

I'm starting to think the Head boy will seal an absolute give-away trade deal with India, in the next week or so; hail it as a huge success (for him & his family), & call a GE, in the full expectation that the Tories will get obliterated. Then after a nice holiday, he'll step into a senior role in his FiLs business.

They're only a week back from the summer hols, & that week has been a complete & utter shit show, with only more shit promised between now & when a GE becomes unavoidable.

[tabascoboy]

From today's FT

"Ministers ignored concrete advice" is the lead headline for Saturday's Financial Times, reporting that the government failed to follow recommendations from an independent advisory group about the potentially dangerous material. The paper says the group, backed by the Institute of Structural Engineers, advised in "2020 that buildings containing reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete (Raac) be included on a high-risk register created by the government's Building Safety Act". This advice was not followed, it adds.

Also

Raac also makes the splash for The i, which reveals that staff at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Norfolk have been taking "extraordinary measures" to deal with the crisis. The paper reports that the hospital is one of seven in England found to contain the crumbling concrete and needing to be rebuilt by 2030. The report says operating theatres have been hit by emergency closures, rainwater is pouring through the roofs on to patients, and "bulging ceilings" are being held up with temporary supports.

But hey, >99% of buildings aren't affected...

[C69]

The UK is clearly going to RAAC and ruin.
The Tories really are a useless bunch of chancers and self serving cnuts.

[dpedin]

Pension triple lock will see an 8% in state pensions next year. A benefit given without means testing to one of the wealthiest demographics in the UK.

A not a single party will challenge this consensus. The politics and economic prospects of an OAP heavy population with a falling birth rate are terrible,

Let's not get dragged into the Tory trap of fighting amongst ourselves whilst they keep all the cash! Comparisons of pensions across countries is difficult but the HoC did an excellent bit of work last year on this. See https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... N00290.pdf

The bottom line is we are below the average for the value of our state pension and benefits and we devote a smaller % of GDP to state pension and pension benefits than most other countries in the comparison. For those reliant on state pension and benefits to survive it is very, very difficult.

By all means address the inequality between the old and young in terms of wealth but it isn't the state pension that is the issue, for many older folk it is all they have and it isn't enough to live on. Increasing it by the rate of inflation is fully justified. However if you want to tackle inequality then let's look at things like tax paid on dividends which fund the wealthier 'pensioners' or getting rid of the student loan debt debacle. However I agree most political parties are scared of losing the vote of the elderly and it will be difficult.

As I said it is not a race to the bottom by cutting some poor sods income to prop up another poor sods income, it is about a fairer distribution of wealth in what is a rich country. Dont get dragged into the Tory game.

[C69]

Pension triple lock will see an 8% in state pensions next year. A benefit given without means testing to one of the wealthiest demographics in the UK.

A not a single party will challenge this consensus. The politics and economic prospects of an OAP heavy population with a falling birth rate are terrible,

Let's not get dragged into the Tory trap of fighting amongst ourselves whilst they keep all the cash! Comparisons of pensions across countries is difficult but the HoC did an excellent bit of work last year on this. See https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... N00290.pdf

The bottom line is we are below the average for the value of our state pension and benefits and we devote a smaller % of GDP to state pension and pension benefits than most other countries in the comparison. For those reliant on state pension and benefits to survive it is very, very difficult.

By all means address the inequality between the old and young in terms of wealth but it isn't the state pension that is the issue, for many older folk it is all they have and it isn't enough to live on. Increasing it by the rate of inflation is fully justified. However if you want to tackle inequality then let's look at things like tax paid on dividends which fund the wealthier 'pensioners' or getting rid of the student loan debt debacle. However I agree most political parties are scared of losing the vote of the elderly and it will be difficult.

As I said it is not a race to the bottom by cutting some poor sods income to prop up another poor sods income, it is about a fairer distribution of wealth in what is a rich country. Dont get dragged into the Tory game.

This 100%

[Line6 HXFX]

I mean if it was up to pensioners the poor would all be in work camps, the young would all be in National service, homosexuality and being black or brown would be illegal, the disabled and sick would all be forced to work..and we would be invading France.

Right wing Pensioner numbers are rising massively, and Britian has never been a nation for the young anyway.
Think as people approach death (after 55) they get more Christian Conservative..


My solution. I implore all of Britain's young to move to Wales and Scotland. It is the only way progressive politics and your interests will be satisfied in the U.K. democratically. Even the telegraph is telling you to move out of the country, You will never outvote pensioners in England...the voting pensioner will never give you a progressive government...so leave them to their hell scape.

Hey we all tried to change pensioners minds or tried to get them to vote remain regarding brexit..how many of us were successful?

Leave England to the old and the charlatans that prey on them.

[Tichtheid]

I've just checked after seeing the advert and here's one for the knee-jerkers, my 20 year old 2.4l petrol 7 seater meets London ULEZ standards, so no need to pay.

[Sandstorm]

I've just checked after seeing the advert and here's one for the knee-jerkers, my 20 year old 2.4l petrol 7 seater meets London ULEZ standards, so no need to pay.

Clean is clean

[petej]

I've just checked after seeing the advert and here's one for the knee-jerkers, my 20 year old 2.4l petrol 7 seater meets London ULEZ standards, so no need to pay.

Clean is clean

regulating is hard. Your vehicle will in reality be far worse then many younger diesels that are non-compliant.

[fishfoodie]

The rotten lettuce is one seriously fucking unhinged individual !

Liz Truss attacks Joe Biden and Greta Thunberg as ‘left-wing orthodoxy’

The UK’s shortest-serving PM says US president ‘wants to export a socialist economic policy to Europe’

Liz Truss launched an attack on Joe Biden and Greta Thunberg in a bid to promote her book, Ten Years To Save The West.

The UK’s shortest-serving prime minister, whose tenure lasted just 49 days, will argue Western governments have been captured by the “left-wing orthodoxy” which she believes ended her premiership.

In an interview with the Mail on Sunday, Ms Truss said Mr Biden was intent on forcing socialist policies on Europe and the United Kingdom.

And she said Ms Thunberg was part of an “anti-capitalist environmental movement”, claiming the pair had set the tone of “what is politically acceptable”.

“There is no doubt in my mind that what Biden is doing is damaging the United States economy by pursuing huge subsidies, huge spending, raising taxes and now trying to impose this on the rest of the world through the OECD Minimum Tax Agreement,”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 08730.html

Attacking a teenager, & a conservative octogenarian

I don't think I've ever seen a public individual with such a complete lack of self-awareness.

[dpedin]

The rotten lettuce is one seriously fucking unhinged individual !

Liz Truss attacks Joe Biden and Greta Thunberg as ‘left-wing orthodoxy’

The UK’s shortest-serving PM says US president ‘wants to export a socialist economic policy to Europe’

Liz Truss launched an attack on Joe Biden and Greta Thunberg in a bid to promote her book, Ten Years To Save The West.

The UK’s shortest-serving prime minister, whose tenure lasted just 49 days, will argue Western governments have been captured by the “left-wing orthodoxy” which she believes ended her premiership.

In an interview with the Mail on Sunday, Ms Truss said Mr Biden was intent on forcing socialist policies on Europe and the United Kingdom.

And she said Ms Thunberg was part of an “anti-capitalist environmental movement”, claiming the pair had set the tone of “what is politically acceptable”.

“There is no doubt in my mind that what Biden is doing is damaging the United States economy by pursuing huge subsidies, huge spending, raising taxes and now trying to impose this on the rest of the world through the OECD Minimum Tax Agreement,”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 08730.html

Attacking a teenager, & a conservative octogenarian

I don't think I've ever seen a public individual with such a complete lack of self-awareness.

She has gone full Tufton Street batshit crazy - happy to spout out loads of right wing shite in order to keep her name in the headlines. She is now the UKs very own Marjory Taylor Green!

[SaintK]

I mean if it was up to pensioners the poor would all be in work camps, the young would all be in National service, homosexuality and being black or brown would be illegal, the disabled and sick would all be forced to work..and we would be invading France.

Right wing Pensioner numbers are rising massively, and Britian has never been a nation for the young anyway.
Think as people approach death (after 55) they get more Christian Conservative..


My solution. I implore all of Britain's young to move to Wales and Scotland. It is the only way progressive politics and your interests will be satisfied in the U.K. democratically. Even the telegraph is telling you to move out of the country, You will never outvote pensioners in England...the voting pensioner will never give you a progressive government...so leave them to their hell scape.

Hey we all tried to change pensioners minds or tried to get them to vote remain regarding brexit..how many of us were successful?

Leave England to the old and the charlatans that prey on them.

Do fuck off somewhere else you monumental loon!

[ASMO]

I mean if it was up to pensioners the poor would all be in work camps, the young would all be in National service, homosexuality and being black or brown would be illegal, the disabled and sick would all be forced to work..and we would be invading France.

Right wing Pensioner numbers are rising massively, and Britian has never been a nation for the young anyway.
Think as people approach death (after 55) they get more Christian Conservative..


My solution. I implore all of Britain's young to move to Wales and Scotland. It is the only way progressive politics and your interests will be satisfied in the U.K. democratically. Even the telegraph is telling you to move out of the country, You will never outvote pensioners in England...the voting pensioner will never give you a progressive government...so leave them to their hell scape.

Hey we all tried to change pensioners minds or tried to get them to vote remain regarding brexit..how many of us were successful?

Leave England to the old and the charlatans that prey on them.

Do fuck off somewhere else you monumental loon!

Please provide evidence for all this shit you are spouting, or is this plucked from your completely warped imagination? You and Boris Johnson/Truss etc are a lot alike, live in your own little reality that is devoid of anything to do with reality itself.

[Hal Jordan]

I've just checked after seeing the advert and here's one for the knee-jerkers, my 20 year old 2.4l petrol 7 seater meets London ULEZ standards, so no need to pay.

No #bladerunner cultishness (spelling?) from you, then.