RWC QF4 France vs Springboks on 15/10 @ 21h00

[Torquemada 1420]

I think Jalibert will fold under the pressure we bring
I predict he's going to have a terrible game

How did that work out in November?

[OomStruisbaai]

AE & Moodie wont start for starters.

[OomStruisbaai]

Only the Souties play with toks.

Of course. Ethnic origin determines whether you wear shoes or not

Cape Town southern suburbs, wet weather.

[OomStruisbaai]

Not a single club in france would do that (I am 54 and we played in boots when I was U10 and my little bro U8)

That's astounding. It's safer for the under 10s to under 13s to not wear boots. Well that's our reasoning.
Soft cock French

Not sure how this would be safer on wet grass /ground

Dr Danie Craven, said youngsters should play barefooted because it encourages them to play "running rugby", they are more sure-footed and it reinforces the idea that rugby is after only a game, especially at that level.

For AF.

When our Headmaster deigned to organise fixtures against an Afrikaans school, who refused to play in boots, we were forced to wear "plimsolls" i.e sneakers or the more popular South African term - "tackies".

The push towards barefoot rugby in the Natal Rugby Union has accelerated. In my day, the odd representative side had a barefoot (Afrikaans) player or two amongst 13 or 14 shod (English) players - this was dangerous. The Natal team, for many years, did not compete in the national primary schools week because they did not play barefoot but happily pressure has changed that.

Now they actively promote Mini Rugby as curtain raisers at the King's Park Stadium before the Natal Sharks games. They parade onto the ground with banners like "Bakers Mini Rugby do it Barefoot" and in the match programmes there advertisements which state that Mini Rugby is safe because we do it barefoot. I'm writing this just before I go to play touch rugby at lunch time, we all play barefoot, of course!

[laurent]

Dr Danie Kraven is a bit of a cult figure in SA but has no followers here.

as all kids play in rugby / soccer boot and hardly ever get injuries I am not sure were he got that (note that some clubs here only have astro).

[Sandstorm]

We played barefoot up to U9, but then switched to boots. You need boots if you want to have something approaching a working scrum as a 11 year old.....

[OomStruisbaai]

We played barefoot up to U9, but then switched to boots. You need boots if you want to have something approaching a working scrum as a 11 year old.....

Fat Frans and Kitshoff did their barefoot scrumming in the Boland. They scrummed in Soup Rugby as under 19s.

[OomStruisbaai]

as all kids play in rugby / soccer boot and hardly ever get injuries I am not sure were he got that (note that some clubs here only have astro).

The Afrikaans kids dont do soccer in primary school. Playing bare foot on the astro will be much better then playing rugby in South Africa Inland which have frost in winter and no grass mostly.

[OomStruisbaai]

Average Joe will know everything about playing the frost of the rugby pitch as a young kid. Kicking a rugby ball with cold blue tones needs a special skill.

[Sards]

"We'll win or lose"

Eggman is a genius.

I should hook you up with Guy Smilie. You could go panty shopping together

[Sards]

as all kids play in rugby / soccer boot and hardly ever get injuries I am not sure were he got that (note that some clubs here only have astro).

The Afrikaans kids dont do soccer in primary school. Playing bare foot on the astro will be much better then playing rugby in South Africa Inland which have frost in winter and no grass mostly.

The kids hate ASTRO. The grass burns aren't the same.

[assfly]

Average Joe will know everything about playing the frost of the rugby pitch as a young kid. Kicking a rugby ball with cold blue tones needs a special skill.

Of course, because nobody else in the world has ever done that

[OomStruisbaai]

as all kids play in rugby / soccer boot and hardly ever get injuries I am not sure were he got that (note that some clubs here only have astro).

The Afrikaans kids dont do soccer in primary school. Playing bare foot on the astro will be much better then playing rugby in South Africa Inland which have frost in winter and no grass mostly.

The kids hate ASTRO. The grass burns aren't the same.

Thats hockey astro. The rugby astros is thicker and much softer.

[_Os_]

"We'll win or lose"

Eggman is a genius.

Sardy is right though. Both sets of supporters know they have a side capable of winning the RWC, both know they could lose this one, both will be hurting if they lose this one.

It's shit this is the quarterfinal match. One side basically doesn't even get remembered, given the draw the other is very likely to reach the final.

[Sandstorm]

"We'll win or lose"

Eggman is a genius.

Sardy is right though. Both sets of supporters know they have a side capable of winning the RWC, both know they could lose this one, both will be hurting if they lose this one.

It's shit this is the quarterfinal match. One side basically doesn't even get remembered, given the draw the other is very likely to reach the final.

I don't even remember who wins the 3rd place play-off.

[_Os_]

"We'll win or lose"

Eggman is a genius.

Sardy is right though. Both sets of supporters know they have a side capable of winning the RWC, both know they could lose this one, both will be hurting if they lose this one.

It's shit this is the quarterfinal match. One side basically doesn't even get remembered, given the draw the other is very likely to reach the final.

I don't even remember who wins the 3rd place play-off.

I do when the Boks are in it, shows heart to play that match and win it. Boks have only gone out in the quarters twice, 2011 was probably my worst experience as a supporter, good/excellent team that went nowhere not even the 3rd place match.

[OomStruisbaai]

Sardy is right though. Both sets of supporters know they have a side capable of winning the RWC, both know they could lose this one, both will be hurting if they lose this one.

It's shit this is the quarterfinal match. One side basically doesn't even get remembered, given the draw the other is very likely to reach the final.

I don't even remember who wins the 3rd place play-off.

I do when the Boks are in it, shows heart to play that match and win it. Boks have only gone out in the quarters twice, 2011 was probably my worst experience as a supporter, good/excellent team that went nowhere not even the 3rd place match.

I attend the 1999 in Cardiff when we beat the All Blacks.

[OomStruisbaai]

[assfly]

These comments around not touching du Pont's head are interesting. I think it will affect him more than us. Of course a reckless hit on his head is a red card, it would be for any player. But he'll be the one second guessing when he goes into contact.

[Gumboot]

These comments around not touching du Pont's head are interesting. I think it will affect him more than us. Of course a reckless hit on his head is a red card, it would be for any player. But he'll be the one second guessing when he goes into contact.

Yep, it's a shit situation for him to be in, especially with the stakes being so high. I hope he makes it through without any further damage.

[Torquemada 1420]

These comments around not touching du Pont's head are interesting. I think it will affect him more than us. Of course a reckless hit on his head is a red card, it would be for any player. But he'll be the one second guessing when he goes into contact.

Yep, it's a shit situation for him to be in, especially with the stakes being so high. I hope he makes it through without any further damage.

Agree. The management should have taken the decision out of his hands and said "you're not playing". Unfortunately, Fra doesn't have a great track record for respecting its own player's safety and especially ones from Toulouse: think Castaignede (effectively ended his career) and Fritz.

[Chilli]

Springbok team to face France in Paris:
15 – Damian Willemse – 36 caps, 56 pts (4t, 9c, 4p, 2d)
14 – Kurt-Lee Arendse – 12 caps, 60 pts (12t)
13 – Jesse Kriel – 65 caps, 75 pts (15t)
12 – Damian de Allende – 75 caps, 50 pts (10t)
11 – Cheslin Kolbe – 28 caps, 86 pts (13t, 3c, 5p)
10 – Manie Libbok – 12 caps, 80 pts (1t, 24c, 9p)
9 – Cobus Reinach – 29 caps, 60 pts (12t)
8 – Duane Vermeulen – 73 caps, 15 pts (3t)
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit – 73 caps, 40 pts (8t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain) – 80 caps, 50 pts (10t)
5 – Franco Mostert – 70 caps, 15 pts (3t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth – 116 caps, 25 pts (5t)
3 – Frans Malherbe – 66 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi – 65 caps, 65pts (13t)
1 – Steven Kitshoff – 80 caps, 10 pts (2t)
Replacements:
16 – Deon Fourie – 10 caps, 10 pts (2t)
17 – Ox Nche – 25 caps, 0 pts
18 – Vincent Koch – 47 caps, 0pts
19 – RG Snyman – 31 caps, 5pts (1t)
20 – Kwagga Smith – 37 caps, 35 pts (7t)
21 – Faf de Klerk – 52 caps, 48 pts (5t, 4c, 5p)
22 – Handre Pollard – 67 caps, 673 pts (7t, 94c, 145p, 5d)
23 – Willie le Roux – 90 caps, 75 pts (15t)

[laurent]

Boks by 1000 points

[boere wors]

Ok, thats a bit of a surprise.

[sefton]

Boks by 1000 points

Typical French arrogance.

[Insane_Homer]

Kobus starting is a big surprise.

2 issue,
DDA & Kriel, particularly DDA
No fetcher until Kwagga come on.

[Chilli]

How many kicks will Manie be allowed to miss before he is replaced?

[OomStruisbaai]

How many kicks will Manie be allowed to miss before he is replaced?

You just hit the nail there line and sinker. This test will depend on the way Manie runs the 1st half. My english wont allow me to write a filofax but I am glad Rasnaber is prepared to put their trust in Manie. Obvious we will try and run them off their feet in the first 60 minutes and then play conservative with Faf and Pollard to settle it.

Its a make or break test for Libbok. If he get it right, we will nail this one.

Go Manie!

[assfly]

Interesting team.

After all that noise about 6-2, 7-1, 8-0, we go for a boring 5-3 split on the bench

Cobus ahead of Faf is a huge call. I can see why, I think CR has played out of his skin whenever given the chance and may be a better match to try and nullify the threat from Anton "not the face" du Pont.

Duane ahead of Jasper too. I think he's picked as our one and only jackle in the starting XV.

I would have been tempted to start Moody on the wing.

[boere wors]

How many kicks will Manie be allowed to miss before he is replaced?

You just hit the nail there line and sinker. This test will depend on the way Manie runs the 1st half. My english wont allow me to write a filofax but I am glad Rasnaber is prepared to put their trust in Manie. Obvious we will try and run them off their feet in the first 60 minutes and then play conservative with Faf and Pollard to settle it.

Its a make or break test for Libbok. If he get it right, we will nail this one.

Go Manie!

Time for experimenting should be over by now

[Sandstorm]

Springbok team to face France in Paris:
15 – Damian Willemse – 36 caps, 56 pts (4t, 9c, 4p, 2d)
14 – Kurt-Lee Arendse – 12 caps, 60 pts (12t)
13 – Jesse Kriel – 65 caps, 75 pts (15t)
12 – Damian de Allende – 75 caps, 50 pts (10t)
11 – Cheslin Kolbe – 28 caps, 86 pts (13t, 3c, 5p)
10 – Manie Libbok – 12 caps, 80 pts (1t, 24c, 9p)
9 – Cobus Reinach – 29 caps, 60 pts (12t)
8 – Duane Vermeulen – 73 caps, 15 pts (3t)
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit – 73 caps, 40 pts (8t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain) – 80 caps, 50 pts (10t)
5 – Franco Mostert – 70 caps, 15 pts (3t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth – 116 caps, 25 pts (5t)
3 – Frans Malherbe – 66 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi – 65 caps, 65pts (13t)
1 – Steven Kitshoff – 80 caps, 10 pts (2t)
Replacements:
16 – Deon Fourie – 10 caps, 10 pts (2t)
17 – Ox Nche – 25 caps, 0 pts
18 – Vincent Koch – 47 caps, 0pts
19 – RG Snyman – 31 caps, 5pts (1t)
20 – Kwagga Smith – 37 caps, 35 pts (7t)
21 – Faf de Klerk – 52 caps, 48 pts (5t, 4c, 5p)
22 – Handre Pollard – 67 caps, 673 pts (7t, 94c, 145p, 5d)
23 – Willie le Roux – 90 caps, 75 pts (15t)

Nope. No way! I'm not commenting on that team until I know it's not a troll's selection!

[OomStruisbaai]

How many kicks will Manie be allowed to miss before he is replaced?

You just hit the nail there line and sinker. This test will depend on the way Manie runs the 1st half. My english wont allow me to write a filofax but I am glad Rasnaber is prepared to put their trust in Manie. Obvious we will try and run them off their feet in the first 60 minutes and then play conservative with Faf and Pollard to settle it.

Its a make or break test for Libbok. If he get it right, we will nail this one.

Go Manie!

Time for experimenting should be over by now

The experiments have been done Boet. Against France and Ireland, you cant afford to give them possession with high kick and charge and box kicks. You need to run at them, test their defense, keep possession.

[Sandstorm]

You just hit the nail there line and sinker. This test will depend on the way Manie runs the 1st half. My english wont allow me to write a filofax but I am glad Rasnaber is prepared to put their trust in Manie. Obvious we will try and run them off their feet in the first 60 minutes and then play conservative with Faf and Pollard to settle it.

Its a make or break test for Libbok. If he get it right, we will nail this one.

Go Manie!

Time for experimenting should be over by now

The experiments have been done Boet. Against France and Ireland, you cant afford to give them possession with high kick and charge and box kicks. You need to run at them, test their defense, keep possession.

Amen Oom

[Insane_Homer]

Nope. No way! I'm not commenting on that team until I know it's not a troll's selection!

Starting lineup.png (332.4 KiB) Viewed 650 times

[LoveOfTheGame]

How many kicks will Manie be allowed to miss before he is replaced?

You just hit the nail there line and sinker. This test will depend on the way Manie runs the 1st half. My english wont allow me to write a filofax but I am glad Rasnaber is prepared to put their trust in Manie. Obvious we will try and run them off their feet in the first 60 minutes and then play conservative with Faf and Pollard to settle it.

Its a make or break test for Libbok. If he get it right, we will nail this one.

Go Manie!

Time for experimenting should be over by now

It's hardly experimenting though is it Boerie?

[_Os_]

I don't even remember who wins the 3rd place play-off.

I do when the Boks are in it, shows heart to play that match and win it. Boks have only gone out in the quarters twice, 2011 was probably my worst experience as a supporter, good/excellent team that went nowhere not even the 3rd place match.

I attend the 1999 in Cardiff when we beat the All Blacks.

I still remember the Breyton Paulse try from that one, a good win. 1999 was the one which got away.

[OomStruisbaai]

I do when the Boks are in it, shows heart to play that match and win it. Boks have only gone out in the quarters twice, 2011 was probably my worst experience as a supporter, good/excellent team that went nowhere not even the 3rd place match.

I attend the 1999 in Cardiff when we beat the All Blacks.

I still remember the Breyton Paulse try from that one, a good win. 1999 was the one which got away.

Yes. I also went to the France vs Wallaby final. What a day that was for me. First time in the UK and got lost after the final, feel like a man on the moon between all the dragons.

[boere wors]

You just hit the nail there line and sinker. This test will depend on the way Manie runs the 1st half. My english wont allow me to write a filofax but I am glad Rasnaber is prepared to put their trust in Manie. Obvious we will try and run them off their feet in the first 60 minutes and then play conservative with Faf and Pollard to settle it.

Its a make or break test for Libbok. If he get it right, we will nail this one.

Go Manie!

Time for experimenting should be over by now

The experiments have been done Boet. Against France and Ireland, you cant afford to give them possession with high kick and charge and box kicks. You need to run at them, test their defense, keep possession.

I agree with that, yet the insurance on the bench makes me wonder a bit if they trust that approach.

[Chilli]

Springbok team to face France in Paris:
15 – Damian Willemse – 36 caps, 56 pts (4t, 9c, 4p, 2d)
14 – Kurt-Lee Arendse – 12 caps, 60 pts (12t)
13 – Jesse Kriel – 65 caps, 75 pts (15t)
12 – Damian de Allende – 75 caps, 50 pts (10t)
11 – Cheslin Kolbe – 28 caps, 86 pts (13t, 3c, 5p)
10 – Manie Libbok – 12 caps, 80 pts (1t, 24c, 9p)
9 – Cobus Reinach – 29 caps, 60 pts (12t)
8 – Duane Vermeulen – 73 caps, 15 pts (3t)
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit – 73 caps, 40 pts (8t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain) – 80 caps, 50 pts (10t)
5 – Franco Mostert – 70 caps, 15 pts (3t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth – 116 caps, 25 pts (5t)
3 – Frans Malherbe – 66 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi – 65 caps, 65pts (13t)
1 – Steven Kitshoff – 80 caps, 10 pts (2t)
Replacements:
16 – Deon Fourie – 10 caps, 10 pts (2t)
17 – Ox Nche – 25 caps, 0 pts
18 – Vincent Koch – 47 caps, 0pts
19 – RG Snyman – 31 caps, 5pts (1t)
20 – Kwagga Smith – 37 caps, 35 pts (7t)
21 – Faf de Klerk – 52 caps, 48 pts (5t, 4c, 5p)
22 – Handre Pollard – 67 caps, 673 pts (7t, 94c, 145p, 5d)
23 – Willie le Roux – 90 caps, 75 pts (15t)

Nope. No way! I'm not commenting on that team until I know it's not a troll's selection!

A simple "fuck you Chilli", will suffice.

[_Os_]

Boks by 1000 points

Nah, I'm not getting that vibe from this one.

This French side and this Bok side haven't played eachother much, the one time they did it was a bit of a mess. Impossible to be sure of anything going into it.