Kicking off in Israel

[Raggs]

Didn't know about this. Further cements how much of a group of cunts Hamas are: https://www.timesofisrael.com/protests- ... y-persist/

It's unlikely this latest set of aggressions helps this cause, but there's a slim chance it might harden their determination.

I guess if Israel can actually take out Hamas, there could be enough of an opening. Don't see it happening though. That would really need to be Israel's end game here, take out the government, and hold elections, where anyone with a hamas affiliation is not allowed to run.

Various anti-Hamas Palestinian political forces condemned the terror group’s response to the spontaneous uprising.

The Palestinian Democratic Union (FIDA) and the Socialist Palestinian People’s Party, two smaller parties affiliated with the PLO, issued statements denouncing the use of force by Hamas to disperse the protesters, emphasizing the right of citizens to peaceful demonstration, and urging Hamas to start tackling Gaza’s numerous problems.

Salim al-Bardeni, secretary general of the Palestinian Arab Front, another nationalist faction affiliated with the PLO, did not mince words. In an interview with Voice of Palestine radio station, he said: “Hamas sucks the blood of our people in the Gaza Strip, through its rule over it and the transfer of its money abroad.

“Hamas, since its coup against the legitimate ruler [the PA], has not made any improvement to the infrastructure of the Gaza Strip, and has not been able to provide the basic services that our people are deprived of, such as electricity,” al-Bardeni added.

“The uprising of the people of Gaza against Hamas is not surprising even for those who voted for them in the 2006 elections,” he said, referencing the last elections held in the Palestinian territories, “because Hamas eventually reneged on all their slogans.”

Pointing out this was in July (should have made that clearer), but I do hope it gives somewhere to go forward.

[David in Gwent]

1.1m people to move within 24 hours.No fuel or food or water.
Lol. That is quite incredible.

In 24 hours whilst constant bombardment including use of phosphorus bombs continue. Israel's allies really need to have a word.

Link please.

[I like neeps]

1.1m people to move within 24 hours.No fuel or food or water.
Lol. That is quite incredible.

In 24 hours whilst constant bombardment including use of phosphorus bombs continue. Israel's allies really need to have a word.

Link please.

You are welcome

[David in Gwent]

HRW? Fucks sake......

[Line6 HXFX]

There were 30 million international flights in 2020.

To remove 9 million israelies to Arkansas etc, isn't an unimaginable objective..etc and yes..it would take time, but as israelies settle and put on their spurs.., they can make nice for those who come later (lets be honest lots and lots will head to Florida anyway).. This will basically be great for the US economy, as Isrealies will pay into the US tax system, great for Israelies as US taxes are far far lower than Israel, great for the Middle East, as Palistinians can occupy abandoned Illegal israeli settlements and Gaza won't be a burial ground for dead palistinian babies.

This is what peace looks like kids. The earlier you can accept it, in your brains the earlier it can start happenning.

[David in Gwent]

What I think is an interesting observation, no doubt it makes me a racist cunt or something:


The Response to Manchester - Western Politicians told us to sing some Oasis songs and draw some bees.

The Response to Paris - Western Politicians told us Light some candles, hold a vigil.

The Response to Madrid - Western Politicians told us to buy the song Jueves and to hold a vigil

The Response to Nice - Wester Politicians told us to hold hands, light a candle, hold a vigil

The responses to Hanau, Barcelona, London Bridge, Brussels etc were all the same

The Response to October 8th in Israel - Western Politicians fully back Israel in the eradication of the Terror Group Responsible with all collateral damage turned a blind eye too.

It's sus.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

There were 30 million international flights in 2020.

To remove 9 million israelies to Arkansas etc, isn't an unimaginable objective..etc and yes..it would take time, but as israelies settle and put on their spurs.., they can make nice for those who come later (lets be honest lots and lots will head to Florida anyway).. This will basically be great for the US economy, as Isrealies will pay into the US tax system, great for Israelies as US taxes are far far lower than Israel, great for the Middle East, as Palistinians can occupy abandoned Illegal israeli settlements and Gaza won't be a burial ground for dead palistinian babies.

This is what peace looks like kids. The earlier you can accept it, in your brains the earlier it can start happenning.

You might as well beat a drum that says moving millions of people out of the West Bank and Palestine would be equal easy, perhaps even easier, less of them, and less being left behind

[David in Gwent]

Asked for comment on the allegations, Israel's military said it was "currently not aware of the use of weapons containing white phosphorus in Gaza."

[David in Gwent]

There were 30 million international flights in 2020.

To remove 9 million israelies to Arkansas etc, isn't an unimaginable objective..etc and yes..it would take time, but as israelies settle and put on their spurs.., they can make nice for those who come later (lets be honest lots and lots will head to Florida anyway).. This will basically be great for the US economy, as Isrealies will pay into the US tax system, great for Israelies as US taxes are far far lower than Israel, great for the Middle East, as Palistinians can occupy abandoned Illegal israeli settlements and Gaza won't be a burial ground for dead palistinian babies.

This is what peace looks like kids. The earlier you can accept it, in your brains the earlier it can start happenning.

You might as well beat a drum that says moving millions of people out of the West Bank and Palestine would be equal easy, perhaps even easier, less of them, and less being left behind

Indeed, and it would appear that Gaza is having a practice run to the South of the country as we speak.

[Line6 HXFX]

For me, if a nuclear power is telling 1.1 million people to move, because it is about to unleash pure hell on them if they don't, call me stupid but it's time (as an Israeli) to say nope...fuck this. Where is the airport? My high taxes and unpleasant zionist Israeli neighbours ain't worth this shit.

I mean on a basic human level.

Say if dac was about to nuke or destroy ebbw, because his right wing anger, bitterness and resentment litterally has no bottom.....and he was leader of your tribe.. the least you would do is wonder if his company and Newport was fucking worth it.

[Slick]

Asked for comment on the allegations, Israel's military said it was "currently not aware of the use of weapons containing white phosphorus in Gaza."

Israeli military? Fucks sake....

[David in Gwent]

Asked for comment on the allegations, Israel's military said it was "currently not aware of the use of weapons containing white phosphorus in Gaza."

Israeli military? Fucks sake....

You literally took the first source you found and because it said Human Rights in the title you thought it was legit.

[David in Gwent]

For me, if a nuclear power is telling 1.1 million people to move, because it is about to unleash pure hell on them if they don't, call me stupid but it's time (as an Israeli) to say nope...fuck this. Where is the airport? My high taxes and unpleasant zionist Israeli neighbours ain't worth this shit.

I mean on a basic human level.

Say if dac was about to nuke or destroy ebbw, because his right wing anger, bitterness and resentment litterally has no bottom.....and he was leader of your tribe.. the least you would do is wonder if his company and Newport was fucking worth it.

Wait, I thought it was already destroyed, thought I saw in the papers it was hit by 1 megaton warhead and did £80 worth of damage?

[Raggs]

In 24 hours whilst constant bombardment including use of phosphorus bombs continue. Israel's allies really need to have a word.

Link please.

You are welcome

From what I understand HRW has watched footage and decided that Israel was using white phosphorous in civilian locations. No other evidence, and just that source. Israel denies it (supposedly they stopped using it years/decade? ago).

To be honest, I'd take what they're saying with a pinch of salt, just as much as I expect a similar response from UNHRC

[dpedin]

The culture wars on this has started already in the UK! Now a big debate about whether the FA should project the Israeli flag at Wembley tonight! FFS. Lots of right wing loons now calling the FA woke because they are not doing this and are blaming the links with rich ME states who own half of the EPL. BBC also getting it in the neck because they haven't called HAMAS as terrorists, despite the OFCOM guidance on this. Even photocopier salesman Shapps, ex National President of the Jewish Youth Organisation, getting in on the act on R4 today programme but being schooled in facts and OFCOM by the presenter. How feckin degrading has the UK politics got when the 'war on woke' and these issues are hitting the headlines whilst 1,000s of innocent men, women and children are being slaughtered daily in Israel and Gazza?

For my tuppence worth I am absolutely appalled by the criminal and barbaric attack by Hamas on the Israeli people and they must be found and prosecuted for their crimes against humanity. I am also absolutely appalled but the criminal and barbaric attack by Israel using WMD on the Palestinian people of Gaza and they must be held to account and prosecuted for crimes against humanity and breaking international law. These two statements are not mutually exclusive.

Israel is in effect mirroring the same inhumane behaviour that it protests so strongly about. It is in danger of losing any support and sympathy by exacting an even worse retribution on the innocent Gaza population than it suffered itself at the hands of the barbarians from Hamas. The UK Gov is going to find itself in a very difficult place if Israel do as they are saying and wipe out 100,000's of innocent people in their pursuit of Hamas terrorists. Can it really continue to support a friendly Gov who wilfully ignore international law and kill innocent people in their hundreds of thousands and corralling the rest of the 2m population into a killing zone? This is going to get difficult!

[Sandstorm]

I am also absolutely appalled by the criminal and barbaric attack by Israel using WMD on the Palestinian people of Gaza

[David in Gwent]

The culture wars on this has started already in the UK! Now a big debate about whether the FA should project the Israeli flag at Wembley tonight! FFS. Lots of right wing loons now calling the FA woke because they are not doing this and are blaming the links with rich ME states who own half of the EPL. BBC also getting it in the neck because they haven't called HAMAS as terrorists, despite the OFCOM guidance on this. Even photocopier salesman Shapps, ex National President of the Jewish Youth Organisation, getting in on the act on R4 today programme but being schooled in facts and OFCOM by the presenter. How feckin degrading has the UK politics got when the 'war on woke' and these issues are hitting the headlines whilst 1,000s of innocent men, women and children are being slaughtered daily in Israel and Gazza?

For my tuppence worth I am absolutely appalled by the criminal and barbaric attack by Hamas on the Israeli people and they must be found and prosecuted for their crimes against humanity. I am also absolutely appalled but the criminal and barbaric attack by Israel using WMD on the Palestinian people of Gaza and they must be held to account and prosecuted for crimes against humanity and breaking international law. These two statements are not mutually exclusive.

Israel is in effect mirroring the same inhumane behaviour that it protests so strongly about. It is in danger of losing any support and sympathy by exacting an even worse retribution on the innocent Gaza population than it suffered itself at the hands of the barbarians from Hamas. The UK Gov is going to find itself in a very difficult place if Israel do as they are saying and wipe out 100,000's of innocent people in their pursuit of Hamas terrorists. Can it really continue to support a friendly Gov who wilfully ignore international law and kill innocent people in their hundreds of thousands and corralling the rest of the 2m population into a killing zone? This is going to get difficult!

[David in Gwent]

Imagine how it feels to be a Jew in London, UK today. You can't send your kids to school because it's not safe and organisations like the FA tell you that you're basically not worth it.

...and a day of fucking Jihad has been called and we know what that's likely to be like in London.

[Tichtheid]

From what I understand HRW has watched footage and decided that Israel was using white phosphorous in civilian locations. No other evidence, and just that source. Israel denies it (supposedly they stopped using it years/decade? ago).

To be honest, I'd take what they're saying with a pinch of salt, just as much as I expect a similar response from UNHRC

There was an article in The Washington Post yesterday that stated the paper had verified the video HRW had published.

The article states

It is not clear if this incident would be considered a violation of the laws of armed conflict, Brian Castner, a weapons investigator with Amnesty International, who reviewed video of the Oct. 11 strike at The Post’s request wrote in an email.
“We would need to know more about the intended target of this attack, and the intended use of the white phosphorus, to make a definite legal judgment about this particular case,” Castner wrote. “But generally, any attacks that fail to discriminate between civilians and military forces can potentially be a violation of the laws of war.”

From what they say the uncertainty surrounds the target, not whether or not white phosphorous was used

[David in Gwent]

There is also a "Car Rally" in support of Palestine tomorrow in Westminster.

So Jewish people, if they do go out, will have to be careful.

[David in Gwent]

From what I understand HRW has watched footage and decided that Israel was using white phosphorous in civilian locations. No other evidence, and just that source. Israel denies it (supposedly they stopped using it years/decade? ago).

To be honest, I'd take what they're saying with a pinch of salt, just as much as I expect a similar response from UNHRC

There was an article in The Washington Post yesterday that stated the paper had verified the video HRW had published.

The article states

It is not clear if this incident would be considered a violation of the laws of armed conflict, Brian Castner, a weapons investigator with Amnesty International, who reviewed video of the Oct. 11 strike at The Post’s request wrote in an email.
“We would need to know more about the intended target of this attack, and the intended use of the white phosphorus, to make a definite legal judgment about this particular case,” Castner wrote. “But generally, any attacks that fail to discriminate between civilians and military forces can potentially be a violation of the laws of war.”

From what they say the uncertainty surrounds the target, not whether or not white phosphorous was used

So not verified at all then. Quite why the WP has the authority to verify illegal weapons attacks 3000 miles away I don't know.

[David in Gwent]

Un-comfirmed:

Jordan:

Thousands of HamasTerrorist supporters have broken through blockades in answer to a global Jihad by former Hamas leader Khalid Mashal and are attempting to make their way to the Israeli border.

[dpedin]

Tensions are high in the ME communities based her in the UK. The Jewish Community are horrified by the Hamas terrorist strikes on their family and friends and the Gaza community are horrified watching their family and friends dying at the hands of the Israeli gov. The UK Gov needs to provide leadership and direction here in UK and make it absolutely clear that as a community they/we will not tolerate any actions of behaviours that will heighten the tensions or break our laws. They should be sending out a message of tolerance within our communities and not increase tensions in any way. They need to provide leadership for the whole community whoever they are and whatever their ethnicity is. What we don't need is twats like Shapps trying to fight woke political wars against the BBC or the FA or the Cobynite nutters refusing to condemn Hamas.

[David in Gwent]

Tensions are high in the ME communities based her in the UK. The Jewish Community are horrified by the Hamas terrorist strikes on their family and friends and the Gaza community are horrified watching their family and friends dying at the hands of the Israeli gov. The UK Gov needs to provide leadership and direction here in UK and make it absolutely clear that as a community they/we will not tolerate any actions of behaviours that will heighten the tensions or break our laws. They should be sending out a message of tolerance within our communities and not increase tensions in any way. They need to provide leadership for the whole community whoever they are and whatever their ethnicity is. What we don't need is twats like Shapps trying to fight woke political wars against the BBC or the FA or the Cobynite nutters refusing to condemn Hamas.

What are you taking for your A-Level exams?

[Slick]

Israeli military? Fucks sake....

You literally took the first source you found and because it said Human Rights in the title you thought it was legit.

Wasn't me old boy, I was just laughing at you.

[Raggs]

Tensions are high in the ME communities based her in the UK. The Jewish Community are horrified by the Hamas terrorist strikes on their family and friends and the Gaza community are horrified watching their family and friends dying at the hands of the Israeli gov. The UK Gov needs to provide leadership and direction here in UK and make it absolutely clear that as a community they/we will not tolerate any actions of behaviours that will heighten the tensions or break our laws. They should be sending out a message of tolerance within our communities and not increase tensions in any way. They need to provide leadership for the whole community whoever they are and whatever their ethnicity is. What we don't need is twats like Shapps trying to fight woke political wars against the BBC or the FA or the Cobynite nutters refusing to condemn Hamas.

Hamas are also a a government. They aren't just terrorists, they are terrorists and the leaders of Gaza. When Hamas declares war on Israel, that is the country/region/nation etc of Gaza, declaring war on Israel.

[David in Gwent]

Israeli military? Fucks sake....

You literally took the first source you found and because it said Human Rights in the title you thought it was legit.

Wasn't me old boy, I was just laughing at you.

Laugh away, I just feel genuine pity for you.

[Tichtheid]

Tensions are high in the ME communities based her in the UK. The Jewish Community are horrified by the Hamas terrorist strikes on their family and friends and the Gaza community are horrified watching their family and friends dying at the hands of the Israeli gov. The UK Gov needs to provide leadership and direction here in UK and make it absolutely clear that as a community they/we will not tolerate any actions of behaviours that will heighten the tensions or break our laws. They should be sending out a message of tolerance within our communities and not increase tensions in any way. They need to provide leadership for the whole community whoever they are and whatever their ethnicity is. What we don't need is twats like Shapps trying to fight woke political wars against the BBC or the FA or the Cobynite nutters refusing to condemn Hamas.

There was a tv programme a few months ago made by David Baddiel, in it he went back to his old school where he read to children from time to time.
There was a section where the camera cut away from the classroom because the kids were about to do "active shooter training". This is in North London.
Rob Rinder was saying yesterday that Jewish children are being told to remove any identifying items, such as school names, from bags when they were on their way to school.

This is horrific.

[David in Gwent]

Tensions are high in the ME communities based her in the UK. The Jewish Community are horrified by the Hamas terrorist strikes on their family and friends and the Gaza community are horrified watching their family and friends dying at the hands of the Israeli gov. The UK Gov needs to provide leadership and direction here in UK and make it absolutely clear that as a community they/we will not tolerate any actions of behaviours that will heighten the tensions or break our laws. They should be sending out a message of tolerance within our communities and not increase tensions in any way. They need to provide leadership for the whole community whoever they are and whatever their ethnicity is. What we don't need is twats like Shapps trying to fight woke political wars against the BBC or the FA or the Cobynite nutters refusing to condemn Hamas.

There was a tv programme a few months ago made by David Baddiel, in it he went back to his old school where he read to children from time to time.
There was a section where the camera cut away from the classroom because the kids were about to do "active shooter training". This is in North London.
Rob Rinder was saying yesterday that Jewish children are being told to remove any identifying items, such as school names, from bags when they were on their way to school.

This is horrific.

The British people and the British Government have enabled the behaviour of the people who would want to do these Jewish children harm. We are entirely guilty.

Anyone who spoke out against the enablement was labelled "far right"

[Slick]

The culture wars on this has started already in the UK! Now a big debate about whether the FA should project the Israeli flag at Wembley tonight! FFS. Lots of right wing loons now calling the FA woke because they are not doing this and are blaming the links with rich ME states who own half of the EPL. BBC also getting it in the neck because they haven't called HAMAS as terrorists, despite the OFCOM guidance on this. Even photocopier salesman Shapps, ex National President of the Jewish Youth Organisation, getting in on the act on R4 today programme but being schooled in facts and OFCOM by the presenter. How feckin degrading has the UK politics got when the 'war on woke' and these issues are hitting the headlines whilst 1,000s of innocent men, women and children are being slaughtered daily in Israel and Gazza?

For my tuppence worth I am absolutely appalled by the criminal and barbaric attack by Hamas on the Israeli people and they must be found and prosecuted for their crimes against humanity. I am also absolutely appalled but the criminal and barbaric attack by Israel using WMD on the Palestinian people of Gaza and they must be held to account and prosecuted for crimes against humanity and breaking international law. These two statements are not mutually exclusive.

Israel is in effect mirroring the same inhumane behaviour that it protests so strongly about. It is in danger of losing any support and sympathy by exacting an even worse retribution on the innocent Gaza population than it suffered itself at the hands of the barbarians from Hamas. The UK Gov is going to find itself in a very difficult place if Israel do as they are saying and wipe out 100,000's of innocent people in their pursuit of Hamas terrorists. Can it really continue to support a friendly Gov who wilfully ignore international law and kill innocent people in their hundreds of thousands and corralling the rest of the 2m population into a killing zone? This is going to get difficult!

Any comments on members of our own Scottish government writing in full support of Hamas and being one of the only governments not to make a gesture of solidarity with Israel?

[Tichtheid]

Any comments on members of our own Scottish government writing in full support of Hamas and being one of the only governments not to make a gesture of solidarity with Israel?

Eh?


To: Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs, James Cleverly
From: First Minister Humza Yousaf

I am writing concerning the horrific terrorist attacks carried out by Hamas over the weekend, and the escalating conflict in Israel and Gaza.

The Scottish Government and I unequivocally condemn the abhorrent terrorist actions of Hamas. Israel – like any other country – has a right to protect itself and its citizens from terror.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/israe ... overnment/

[C69]

The culture wars on this has started already in the UK! Now a big debate about whether the FA should project the Israeli flag at Wembley tonight! FFS. Lots of right wing loons now calling the FA woke because they are not doing this and are blaming the links with rich ME states who own half of the EPL. BBC also getting it in the neck because they haven't called HAMAS as terrorists, despite the OFCOM guidance on this. Even photocopier salesman Shapps, ex National President of the Jewish Youth Organisation, getting in on the act on R4 today programme but being schooled in facts and OFCOM by the presenter. How feckin degrading has the UK politics got when the 'war on woke' and these issues are hitting the headlines whilst 1,000s of innocent men, women and children are being slaughtered daily in Israel and Gazza?

For my tuppence worth I am absolutely appalled by the criminal and barbaric attack by Hamas on the Israeli people and they must be found and prosecuted for their crimes against humanity. I am also absolutely appalled but the criminal and barbaric attack by Israel using WMD on the Palestinian people of Gaza and they must be held to account and prosecuted for crimes against humanity and breaking international law. These two statements are not mutually exclusive.

Israel is in effect mirroring the same inhumane behaviour that it protests so strongly about. It is in danger of losing any support and sympathy by exacting an even worse retribution on the innocent Gaza population than it suffered itself at the hands of the barbarians from Hamas. The UK Gov is going to find itself in a very difficult place if Israel do as they are saying and wipe out 100,000's of innocent people in their pursuit of Hamas terrorists. Can it really continue to support a friendly Gov who wilfully ignore international law and kill innocent people in their hundreds of thousands and corralling the rest of the 2m population into a killing zone? This is going to get difficult!

Any comments on members of our own Scottish government writing in full support of Hamas and being one of the only governments not to make a gesture of solidarity with Israel?

Errrr

[Rhubarb & Custard]

There were 30 million international flights in 2020.

To remove 9 million israelies to Arkansas etc, isn't an unimaginable objective..etc and yes..it would take time, but as israelies settle and put on their spurs.., they can make nice for those who come later (lets be honest lots and lots will head to Florida anyway).. This will basically be great for the US economy, as Isrealies will pay into the US tax system, great for Israelies as US taxes are far far lower than Israel, great for the Middle East, as Palistinians can occupy abandoned Illegal israeli settlements and Gaza won't be a burial ground for dead palistinian babies.

This is what peace looks like kids. The earlier you can accept it, in your brains the earlier it can start happenning.

You might as well beat a drum that says moving millions of people out of the West Bank and Palestine would be equal easy, perhaps even easier, less of them, and less being left behind

Indeed, and it would appear that Gaza is having a practice run to the South of the country as we speak.

It's as stupid as the notion that if Israel levels the West Bank and Gaza that Israel will be safe

[Slick]

Any comments on members of our own Scottish government writing in full support of Hamas and being one of the only governments not to make a gesture of solidarity with Israel?

Eh?


To: Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs, James Cleverly
From: First Minister Humza Yousaf

I am writing concerning the horrific terrorist attacks carried out by Hamas over the weekend, and the escalating conflict in Israel and Gaza.

The Scottish Government and I unequivocally condemn the abhorrent terrorist actions of Hamas. Israel – like any other country – has a right to protect itself and its citizens from terror.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/israe ... overnment/

Sorry, that was worded very badly indeed by me. Humza has been excellent in all this to be very fair, particularly given his immediate personal connection.

I was referring to people like Maggie Chapman, Green MSP, so part of the government, writing things about Israel had it coming to them and the Scottish Parliament refusing to fly a flag when they have done it for just about every other atrocity around the world. It was in response to Dpedins usual schtick.

[robmatic]

HRW? Fucks sake......

What's the issue with HRW? One of my friends works there and she is pretty credible I would say.

[Line6 HXFX]

Boats, cruise ships, planes, military transporters, aircraft carriers,,I reckon we could have israelies yeee'haa'ing on horseback on the great open plains of the USA ... ala city slickers,, or on beautiful motor bikes, in leather jackets..ala wildhogs... or all the other movies where people are taken out of their familiar city culture, and go on to really embrace American culture, whilst initially, maybe not being accepted, but then embraced....in (if we pull our fingers out) about 5 years.....instead of you know...killing 1.1 million innocent palestinian men women and children, and doing it all again in 6 years...which we all agree.. is wrong un'stuff.

So we have options people. Big, beautiful American options.

[David in Gwent]

HRW? Fucks sake......

What's the issue with HRW? One of my friends works there and she is pretty credible I would say.

It hasn't got that a great of a reputation depending on whom you ask. it's been caught, shall we say, fibbing in order to benefit a cause, before.

[C69]

HRW? Fucks sake......

What's the issue with HRW? One of my friends works there and she is pretty credible I would say.

It hasn't got that a great of a reputation depending on whom you ask. it's been caught, shall we say, fibbing in order to benefit a cause, before.

I've never heard of them.
Can you link to their duplicity please

[David in Gwent]

What's the issue with HRW? One of my friends works there and she is pretty credible I would say.

It hasn't got that a great of a reputation depending on whom you ask. it's been caught, shall we say, fibbing in order to benefit a cause, before.

I've never heard of them.

Exactly.

[David in Gwent]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism ... annot%20be