On any polls that had a Bok option I always selected it, good or bad. Got to win them all.
Some bet, dare I ask what happens if the ABs don't win? You seem relaxed in your replies, which means either not much or a sense of resignation.
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He missed some throws. It happens. We still managed to score the only try of the match from a lineout.
He is also our vice-captain, and has had to massively step-up with Marx not being available.
He is a world cup winner, and could possibly be a double world cup winner in a few days.
You called him a hilariously garbage hooker.
Check yourself out, boet.
He's large enough to look after himself and I'm sure he doesn't need your hysterical stamping of feet in his defence. He's an old head, I'm sure he'll be the first to recognise he was garbage at the weekendassfly wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:14 amHe missed some throws. It happens. We still managed to score the only try of the match from a lineout.
He is also our vice-captain, and has had to massively step-up with Marx not being available.
He is a world cup winner, and could possibly be a double world cup winner in a few days.
You called him a hilariously garbage hooker.
Check yourself out, boet.
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Why? He reported what he heard, carried on playing and attempting to shake his hand afterwards. What’s he done wrong?
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Nothing. Just a language mis-understanding and Curry was right to put his hand up IMO. Everyone needs to calm down and move on. There are two matches this weekend.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:36 amWhy? He reported what he heard, carried on playing and attempting to shake his hand afterwards. What’s he done wrong?
It was a very serious allegation and another attempt to derail the Springboks preperations for this weekend as well as cast bad vibes on Bongis Ju Ju......Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:36 amWhy? He reported what he heard, carried on playing and attempting to shake his hand afterwards. What’s he done wrong?
It was a seriously kak allegation to make and he should be ashamed
+1Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:38 amNothing. Just a language mis-understanding and Curry was right to put his hand up IMO. Everyone needs to calm down and move on. There are two matches this weekend.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:36 amWhy? He reported what he heard, carried on playing and attempting to shake his hand afterwards. What’s he done wrong?
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An attempt to derail their prep? Fuck off. He reported to the ref what he heard. Nothing wrong with that given what he thought was said.Sards wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:57 amIt was a very serious allegation and another attempt to derail the Springboks preperations for this weekend as well as cast bad vibes on Bongis Ju Ju......Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:36 amWhy? He reported what he heard, carried on playing and attempting to shake his hand afterwards. What’s he done wrong?
It was a seriously kak allegation to make and he should be ashamed
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He's not got a legit link, because it hasn't happened..
Albeit ultimately any investigation will go nowhere as it'll be he said / she said etc. Will just ensure there's a little more niggle next time England and the Boks meet.
A couple of publications are posting it...no in depth article as its breaking news.
I am sure a full report will be released soon
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It's not Curry's fault. He only asked the ref in the match. The IRB took it forward, not the player. Or the England Management.Sards wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:57 amIt was a very serious allegation and another attempt to derail the Springboks preperations for this weekend as well as cast bad vibes on Bongis Ju Ju......Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:36 amWhy? He reported what he heard, carried on playing and attempting to shake his hand afterwards. What’s he done wrong?
It was a seriously kak allegation to make and he should be ashamed
He should have made sure before reporting it.....it has been world newsSandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:00 amIt's not Curry's fault. He only asked the ref in the match. The IRB took it forward, not the player. Or the England Management.Sards wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:57 amIt was a very serious allegation and another attempt to derail the Springboks preperations for this weekend as well as cast bad vibes on Bongis Ju Ju......Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:36 am
Why? He reported what he heard, carried on playing and attempting to shake his hand afterwards. What’s he done wrong?
It was a seriously kak allegation to make and he should be ashamed
The story is being driven by the English right wing press. Particularly the Telegraph and Daily Mail. They have slotted it into their culture war narrative around race, which always focuses on anything where a white person could be a victim (and definitely not any story where there's victims of white racism), jumps to conclusions, then declares that racism against whites and against blacks is the same. It often blows up in their faces but by then they've moved onto the next story. The golliwog pub was one example, it turned out the whites who were the supposed victims weren't anything of the sort. They're driving this story so hard they've even forced a official response from Sunak on if Bongi is a racist or not.
You can see the editorial direction in this GB News clip with an ex-Sun editor. Claim whites are the victims of structural racism "that's just the way it is", ignore any specifics or get them wrong in this case that "kant" is pronounced "cunt", claim any defence is rubbish whilst jumping to the conclusion, that conclusion being that everyone suffers racism equally.
Prominent rugby writer writes about current rugby news giving update that was previously not known...._Os_ wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:04 amThe story is being driven by the English right wing press. Particularly the Telegraph and Daily Mail. They have slotted it into their culture war narrative around race, which always focuses on anything where a white person could be a victim (and definitely not any story where there's victims of white racism), jumps to conclusions, then declares that racism against whites and against blacks is the same. It often blows up in their faces but by then they've moved onto the next story. The golliwog pub was one example, it turned out the whites who were the supposed victims weren't anything of the sort. They're driving this story so hard they've even forced a official response from Sunak on if Bongi is a racist or not.
You can see the editorial direction in this GB News clip with an ex-Sun editor. Claim whites are the victims of structural racism "that's just the way it is", ignore any specifics or get them wrong in this case that "kant" is pronounced "cunt", claim any defence is rubbish whilst jumping to the conclusion, that conclusion being that everyone suffers racism equally.
And GBnews? They don't even classify themselves as a news channel.
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It’s a very serious allegation that he handled very responsibly by reporting it to the ref, leaving to the authorities and carrying on with the game. He refused to be drawn on it by the media afterwards.Sards wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:57 amIt was a very serious allegation and another attempt to derail the Springboks preperations for this weekend as well as cast bad vibes on Bongis Ju Ju......Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:36 amWhy? He reported what he heard, carried on playing and attempting to shake his hand afterwards. What’s he done wrong?
It was a seriously kak allegation to make and he should be ashamed
As many Afrikaans speakers have pointed out, it is entirely possible that it’s a misunderstanding, but they were the ones who pointed out why it would sound exactly like he said ‘white cunt’ to an English speaker in the first place.
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Just to get this straight, Sards, Curry, who's team were winning at this point, made an allegation to the ref mid game in attempt to derail the Springboks preparation for a match they hadn't even qualified for yet? Have I got this right?Sards wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:57 amIt was a very serious allegation and another attempt to derail the Springboks preperations for this weekend as well as cast bad vibes on Bongis Ju Ju......Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:36 amWhy? He reported what he heard, carried on playing and attempting to shake his hand afterwards. What’s he done wrong?
It was a seriously kak allegation to make and he should be ashamed
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You do realise that Bongi has access to a very high powered legal team backed by the Sharks....Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:12 amIt’s a very serious allegation that he handled very responsibly by reporting it to the ref,Sards wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:57 amIt was a very serious allegation and another attempt to derail the Springboks preperations for this weekend as well as cast bad vibes on Bongis Ju Ju......Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:36 am
Why? He reported what he heard, carried on playing and attempting to shake his hand afterwards. What’s he done wrong?
It was a seriously kak allegation to make and he should be ashamed
Currie will do well to walk away without any recourse
Ja.....maybe to influence the current matchSlick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:17 amJust to get this straight, Sards, Curry, who's team were winning at this point, made an allegation to the ref mid game in attempt to derail the Springboks preparation for a match they hadn't even qualified for yet? Have I got this right?Sards wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:57 amIt was a very serious allegation and another attempt to derail the Springboks preperations for this weekend as well as cast bad vibes on Bongis Ju Ju......Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:36 am
Why? He reported what he heard, carried on playing and attempting to shake his hand afterwards. What’s he done wrong?
It was a seriously kak allegation to make and he should be ashamed
Super stuff.Sards wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:19 amJa.....maybe to influence the current match
Not batshit at all
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Famously English rugby lacks contacts and connections in the legal professionSards wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:18 amYou do realise that Bongi has access to a very high powered legal team backed by the Sharks....Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:12 amIt’s a very serious allegation that he handled very responsibly by reporting it to the ref,
Currie will do well to walk away without any recourse
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Imagine if it went to court.......we are talking slander and defamation of character and reputationPaddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:21 amFamously English rugby lacks contacts and connections in the legal profession
World rugby will do well to diffuse this.
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A court may well decide on balance of probabilities that he did say it of course.Sards wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:25 amImagine if it went to court.......we are talking slander and defamation of character and reputationPaddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:21 amFamously English rugby lacks contacts and connections in the legal profession
World rugby will do well to diffuse this.
Anyway this is a bizarre bizarre discussion, you are a bizarre bizarre fan base for the most part
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Noone has produced any convincing proof that he said it as reported by Currie.....Balance of probabilities are with Bongi tbh.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:27 amA court may well decide on balance of probabilities that he did say it of course.Sards wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:25 amImagine if it went to court.......we are talking slander and defamation of character and reputationPaddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:21 am
Famously English rugby lacks contacts and connections in the legal profession
World rugby will do well to diffuse this.
Anyway this is a bizarre bizarre discussion, you are a bizarre bizarre fan base for the most part
Whats bizzare about standing up for your team players against such allegations
Yes rugby writers are writing about it. But it has also become a general media story within a segment of the English media for which this sort of thing is catnip.
GBNews is a propaganda outlet for the Tories which is legally an entertainment channel to avoid regulations around news. It is part of the English media environment can not be wished away by pretending what it's saying doesn't exist.
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Alleged racial slur on primetime tv is news shocker_Os_ wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:30 amYes rugby writers are writing about it. But it has also become a general media story within a segment of the English media for which this sort of thing is catnip.
GBNews is a propaganda outlet for the Tories which is legally an entertainment channel to avoid regulations around news. It is part of the English media environment can not be wished away by pretending what it's saying doesn't exist.
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The whole GBNews/right-wing shit show angle is that because a white person is the supposed victim it is being ignored.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:34 amAlleged racial slur on primetime tv is news shocker_Os_ wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:30 amYes rugby writers are writing about it. But it has also become a general media story within a segment of the English media for which this sort of thing is catnip.
GBNews is a propaganda outlet for the Tories which is legally an entertainment channel to avoid regulations around news. It is part of the English media environment can not be wished away by pretending what it's saying doesn't exist.
Which as you point out, isn't true.
Which is why we're into Wednesday and this is still ongoing, they surely had all the evidence days back already.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:21 am Famously English rugby lacks contacts and connections in the legal profession
Any thoughts on the possibility the lawyers have decided to go back to the future into a match from 2022?
David Flatman“And in my opinion as a, you know an ex-prop, and I could be wrong, I absolutely could be wrong. I’ve read columns from experts who’ve spoken to international props and who are better than me, and they have said it was the wrong decision.
“In my opinion, it was the correct decision; Ellis Genge hits, and his knee goes down, but he gets himself back up, and if you just watch before that ball comes in.
“If you just watch that millisecond, Ellis Genge goes knee down, knee back up, and he just asserts himself about 6 or 8 inches forward, and he just gets himself in a nice position and nudges Vincent Koch on the angle a little bit, which for my money, means – and by the way, I’m English I kind of try and be neutral, I desperately want England to win that game and I’m probably Ellis Genge’s biggest fan – however, I think he instigates that angle.
“I think all this scrutiny that Ben O’Keeffe has given, I don’t love. I think it was the right decision, and I think the aerial snapshot is dangerous because it tells us almost nothing.”
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England didn’t make a formal complaint as they felt the chances of success based on available audio/camera angles was negligible._Os_ wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:42 amWhich is why we're into Wednesday and this is still ongoing, they surely had all the evidence days back already.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:21 am Famously English rugby lacks contacts and connections in the legal profession
Any thoughts on the possibility the lawyers have decided to go back to the future into a match from 2022?
If WR are investigating it is no shock they’re looking at past encounters between the two players in particular in an effort to establish a pattern/previous between them etc.
This is a big story from a big game, of course it’s still running.
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Are there lawyers representing the England rugby team involved?_Os_ wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:42 amWhich is why we're into Wednesday and this is still ongoing, they surely had all the evidence days back already.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:21 am Famously English rugby lacks contacts and connections in the legal profession
Any thoughts on the possibility the lawyers have decided to go back to the future into a match from 2022?
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RFU lodged a complaint.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:46 amEngland didn’t make a formal complaint as they felt the chances of success based on available audio/camera angles was negligible._Os_ wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:42 amWhich is why we're into Wednesday and this is still ongoing, they surely had all the evidence days back already.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:21 am Famously English rugby lacks contacts and connections in the legal profession
Any thoughts on the possibility the lawyers have decided to go back to the future into a match from 2022?
If WR are investigating it is no shock they’re looking at past encounters between the two players in particular in an effort to establish a pattern/previous between them etc.
This is a big story from a big game, of course it’s still running.