Springbokke next 4 years to 2027

[OomStruisbaai]

Won't be fair to Mostert. He is a work horse.Doubt if Keyn is better in line outs. Mostert also cover 7.

Not about fairness. He is one of my favorite players, but I would have preffered another lock replacement in the bench instead of 3 backs in a forwards game like in yesterday conditions

Oh sorry, to do this they have to drop Libbok and put Willemse on the bench.

[Cartman]

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[OomStruisbaai]

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Kantman, you need to change your posting name.

[Cartman]

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Kantman, you need to change your posting name.

Sallie

[assfly]

A thought for some of the players to hardly get any gametime at the world cup.

Jaden Hendrikse, Marvin Orie, Marco van Staden, Grant Williams, Andre Estherhuizen.

I hope these guys can join their URC teams straight away, seems a bit silly to have them off rugby until January.

The $harks would like their scrumhalves back please!

[boere wors]

fun fact: how cool is that final win for jesse and trevor?? The two guys that had to go home injured in 2019, on the field in the final when the final whistle blew 4 years later

[Sards]

A thought for some of the players to hardly get any gametime at the world cup.

Jaden Hendrikse, Marvin Orie, Marco van Staden, Grant Williams, Andre Estherhuizen.

I hope these guys can join their URC teams straight away, seems a bit silly to have them off rugby until January.

The $harks would like their scrumhalves back please!

Desperately.

[TheNatalShark]

So who is retiring from internationals, or should the Books start looking past, after this?

Fourie
Vermeulen
Reinach
Faf
Mapimpi
Willie
Nyakane/Koch

Perhaps looking at handing over captaincy, don't see Kolisi/Bongi making next world cup

[boere wors]

So who is retiring from internationals, or should the Books start looking past, after this?

Fourie
Vermeulen
Reinach
Faf
Mapimpi
Willie
Nyakane/Koch

Perhaps looking at handing over captaincy, don't see Kolisi/Bongi making next world cup

Yes, all of those

[OomStruisbaai]

[OomStruisbaai]

So who is retiring from internationals, or should the Books start looking past, after this?

Fourie
Vermeulen
Reinach
Faf
Mapimpi
Willie
Nyakane/Koch

Perhaps looking at handing over captaincy, don't see Kolisi/Bongi making next world cup

Yes, all of those

A whole new era starts next year.

[_Os_]

Strandhond, even if you loved to hate him you still loved him. Entertained us for years, a true great. Still some gas in the tank and playing in SA again, should mean he gets to 100 test caps. One of my all time favourite players.

[assfly]

I was thinking about Willemse over the weekend.

25 years old.
Two world cup medals.
One URC medal.
Took the 15 jersey off le Roux, one of our best backline players ever.

Quite an incredible list of achievements.

And the scary thing is that I think he's actually going to to get even better.

[Gumboot]

You have Moodie coming of age as well. Some incredible talent emerging in SA.

[Blake]

I was thinking about Willemse over the weekend.

25 years old.
Two world cup medals.
One URC medal.
Took the 15 jersey off le Roux, one of our best backline players ever.

Quite an incredible list of achievements.

And the scary thing is that I think he's actually going to to get even better.

Maybe he was worth 5 Bar after all

Probably the front runner right now to become the first 3-time world cup winner.

[assfly]

Maybe he was worth 5 Bar after all

Probably the front runner right now to become the first 3-time world cup winner.

Absolutely! I really hope he keeps playing 15 and we don't see him in the 12 or 10 again.

Him, Moody and KLA could form the most devastating back 3 in rugby.

[Blake]

Maybe he was worth 5 Bar after all

Probably the front runner right now to become the first 3-time world cup winner.

Absolutely! I really hope he keeps playing 15 and we don't see him in the 12 or 10 again.

Him, Moody and KLA could form the most devastating back 3 in rugby.

We have a weird situation with Blommetjes (who played 10 over the weekend, but usually a 15), SFM who is a (10/12), Willemse (10,12, 15) and Galant all in contention. It's a nice problem to have, but still a bit of a challenge for Dobson to unravel.

My guess is that he'll probably slot into 10/12 back the Stormers now that we have Galant back. The inteplay between a trio of Willemse, SFM and Galant is going to lead to some terrific tries this URC season

[OomStruisbaai]

Maybe he was worth 5 Bar after all

Probably the front runner right now to become the first 3-time world cup winner.

Absolutely! I really hope he keeps playing 15 and we don't see him in the 12 or 10 again.

Him, Moody and KLA could form the most devastating back 3 in rugby.

Some like Chilli need to give Oom credit for bringing his talent to you right from the start when Gazza played senior rugby. The next one will be Sasha MZ followed by Kyle Smith.

[OomStruisbaai]

Maybe he was worth 5 Bar after all

Probably the front runner right now to become the first 3-time world cup winner.

Absolutely! I really hope he keeps playing 15 and we don't see him in the 12 or 10 again.

Him, Moody and KLA could form the most devastating back 3 in rugby.

We have a weird situation with Blommetjes (who played 10 over the weekend, but usually a 15), SFM who is a (10/12), Willemse (10,12, 15) and Galant all in contention. It's a nice problem to have, but still a bit of a challenge for Dobson to unravel.

My guess is that he'll probably slot into 10/12 back the Stormers now that we have Galant back. The inteplay between a trio of Willemse, SFM and Galant is going to lead to some terrific tries this URC season

You left out Libbok.

[OomStruisbaai]

Must say the one moment Blommetjies do something great to follow it up with a vokop, But then its the way they play.

[Blake]

Absolutely! I really hope he keeps playing 15 and we don't see him in the 12 or 10 again.

Him, Moody and KLA could form the most devastating back 3 in rugby.

We have a weird situation with Blommetjes (who played 10 over the weekend, but usually a 15), SFM who is a (10/12), Willemse (10,12, 15) and Galant all in contention. It's a nice problem to have, but still a bit of a challenge for Dobson to unravel.

My guess is that he'll probably slot into 10/12 back the Stormers now that we have Galant back. The inteplay between a trio of Willemse, SFM and Galant is going to lead to some terrific tries this URC season

You left out Libbok.

Jesus Christ, I did!

Jammer Manie! Fokkit.

[assfly]

Some like Chilli need to give Oom credit for bringing his talent to you right from the start when Gazza played senior rugby. The next one will be Sasha MZ followed by Kyle Smith.

I think everybody knows about Sasha MZ now.

Not that it matters, but we can't be far away from having a completely black and coloured Bok backline too.

9. Williams/Hendrikse
10. Libbok/Sasha
11. KLA
12.
13. Am
14. Kolbe/Moodie
15. Willemse

[OomStruisbaai]

Some like Chilli need to give Oom credit for bringing his talent to you right from the start when Gazza played senior rugby. The next one will be Sasha MZ followed by Kyle Smith.

I think everybody knows about Sasha MZ now.

Not that it matters, but we can't be far away from having a completely black and coloured Bok backline too.

9. Williams/Hendrikse
10. Libbok/Sasha
11. KLA
12.
13. Am
14. Kolbe/Moodie
15. Willemse

I think you can slot DDA in 12. Not sure if he is a coloured. Milnerton is a grey area, ask Sards.

[OomStruisbaai]

We have a weird situation with Blommetjes (who played 10 over the weekend, but usually a 15), SFM who is a (10/12), Willemse (10,12, 15) and Galant all in contention. It's a nice problem to have, but still a bit of a challenge for Dobson to unravel.

My guess is that he'll probably slot into 10/12 back the Stormers now that we have Galant back. The inteplay between a trio of Willemse, SFM and Galant is going to lead to some terrific tries this URC season

You left out Libbok.

Jesus Christ, I did!

Jammer Manie! Fokkit.

Dobson maak hulle bymekaar. You just watch that to new props from Bulls and Lions developing with the Stormers.

[Sards]

Sasha is a class act. Becoming one of my favorites alongside Moodie , KLA and Grant .
I don't get the Willemse hype still. In the final he tried a few times to do something on attack but just does not have Willie's vision to put other players into space. Gelant and Sasha have that. Willemse was solid under the high ball tho. Only dropping 1 I think. It was after another unsuccessful attempt to run it back that they pulled Willemse for Willie.

Sasha is all class. He will be a legend

[Blake]

Dobson maak hulle bymekaar. You just watch that to new props from Bulls and Lions developing with the Stormers.

I wonder if we are at risk of having too many playmakers in the team, because that is one hell of a lineup.

Manie, Willemse, Sasha, Galant and Blommetjies with Agelo Davids, Zas, Loader and Skosan on the wings. We have some proper excititing backline players.

I just hope the forwards can man-up and get them some good quality ball. Our props are getting a bit long in the tooth so the imported props are goign to be critical. And our locks need to add some more grunt. Moerat and Orie need to become meaner. But our loosies are lekker.

Looking forward to the season.

[OomStruisbaai]

Dobson maak hulle bymekaar. You just watch that to new props from Bulls and Lions developing with the Stormers.

I wonder if we are at risk of having too many playmakers in the team, because that is one hell of a lineup.

Manie, Willemse, Sasha, Galant and Blommetjies with Agelo Davids, Zas, Loader and Skosan on the wings. We have some proper excititing backline players.

I just hope the forwards can man-up and get them some good quality ball. Our props are getting a bit long in the tooth, and our locks need to add some more grunt, but our loosies are also lekker.

Looking forward to the season.

Big test on the weekend against Glasgow. They are very good, beat Leinster in round 1.

[_Os_]

Guys you're all getting this wrong.

From 2012 to 2015, should've been the strongest Bok side of the pro era. But we had Meyer as a coach, who was deeply average in his ability and really a bit of a rugby moron, so the Boks got deeply average results. Why should it have been a really good period for the Boks? The core of White's 2004-2007 side and some of the additions to that from the 2009 side were nearly all still around, they were also still playing well. But in addition to those players we also had nearly all the players which became the 2018-2023 side coming through. Meyer was such a rugby moron he turned all that into the second loss ever to Wales, first loss ever to the Pumas, and the Japan loss. He went to the 2015 RWC refusing to select Frans Steyn (who never lost a RWC match and became SA's second double RWC winner after Os), he then played a game built around kicking and the lineout without the biggest boot and lost to the ABs by 2 points in the semi.

That period where the Boks had access to players from 2 of our 3 best squads in the pro era (the other strong squad was in the late 90s), was a total disaster. Very few people were angry about it at the time (I was the exception and called Meyer a rugby moron before and after every match for 4 years), because the Boks were getting average results. No shit they were with the player resources Meyer had anyone could get average returns.

Back to today ... throwing the current squad onto the scrapheap would be a very bad idea. We've just watched Deon Fourie become the oldest player ever to win his first Bok cap, then make a RWC squad, then play in a position he hadn't played in for years, then play an entire final in that position, then in that final ending the match as captain. Incredible. Boks had the oldest squad by average age, and won it. That tells me it would be foolish to cut players because they're 31 or 32. If they were shit players or average players, then maybe, but they're not they're excellent players. They should all be kept on if they want to continue and moved out when their performance drops. Axing them all at once, would be a very bad move. If any mass axing is going to happen so that others can come through I would expect it in 2025/2026.

What this cycle should be about is having a blend of the current squad and of the next squad, that isn't the total mess which Meyer made. If you hop straight to the next squad all the team culture/values/skills/work ethic, has to all be rebuilt from scratch.

I can see Kolisi being captain at the 2027 RWC. He'll be the same age as Duane and Deon Fourie were this time. Also obviously need Rassie running the show, he's clearly a rugby genius and has been doing video analysis since 1996-ish has always been involved at the high end of the sport as a player/coach/admin, there's no one who can replace that depth of knowledge about all aspects of the sport. He's already a lot of the way towards being a Danie Craven level figure. Slot in whoever under him as coach and give him the best analysts.

[Chilli]

I was thinking about Willemse over the weekend.

25 years old.
Two world cup medals.
One URC medal.
Took the 15 jersey off le Roux, one of our best backline players ever.

Quite an incredible list of achievements.

And the scary thing is that I think he's actually going to to get even better.

Is Willemse really that good?

In tight matches he goes missing.
He is unbelievably selfish with the ball.
Is he a 15?
Is he a 12?
Is he a 10?
Is he a super sub?

Granted, he has has 1 or 2 good games, but he ain't no Willie Le Roux.

[Sandstorm]

I was thinking about Willemse over the weekend.

25 years old.
Two world cup medals.
One URC medal.
Took the 15 jersey off le Roux, one of our best backline players ever.

Quite an incredible list of achievements.

And the scary thing is that I think he's actually going to to get even better.

Is Willemse really that good?

In tight matches he goes missing.
He is unbelievably selfish with the ball.
Is he a 15?
Is he a 12?
Is he a 10?
Is he a super sub?

Granted, he has has 1 or 2 good games, but he ain't no Willie Le Roux.

Meh, you try joining the line and linking up with the two idiots at 12/13. No wonder Willemse can’t make a pass. He has no such issues at the Stormers.

[TheNatalShark]

Guys you're all getting this wrong.

I can see Kolisi being captain at the 2027 RWC.

Age is just a number. Players who are barely lasting now likely aren't going to be lasting in four years time.

You're fighting imagined enemies thinking any of the commentary above believe it is a black and white chop off and discard players immediately Vs succession planning and blooding.

"You're getting it all wrong" "I was the only one who called Meyer a moron"

[Sandstorm]

Frans Steyn might feature in 2027.

[Sards]

Meh, you try joining the line and linking up with the two idiots at 12/13. No wonder Willemse can’t make a pass. He has no such issues at the Stormers.

Now you are just talking through your arse. It's got nothing to do with linking up with a defensive 12 or 13. That impacts the wings. Not the fullback.

[OomStruisbaai]

Meh, you try joining the line and linking up with the two idiots at 12/13. No wonder Willemse can’t make a pass. He has no such issues at the Stormers.

Now you are just talking through your arse. It's got nothing to do with linking up with a defensive 12 or 13. That impacts the wings. Not the fullback.

Sards we all know you are obsessed with Gazza, Dont know why Sandy try the effort to reply to your obsession.

[Sards]

Meh, you try joining the line and linking up with the two idiots at 12/13. No wonder Willemse can’t make a pass. He has no such issues at the Stormers.

Now you are just talking through your arse. It's got nothing to do with linking up with a defensive 12 or 13. That impacts the wings. Not the fullback.

Sards we all know you are obsessed with Gazza, Dont know why Sandy try the effort to reply to your obsession.

Its got nothing to do with Gazza.....Sandy suggesting that the 12 and 13 impact on the 15 preventing him from passing is absolutely laughable

[_Os_]

Guys you're all getting this wrong.

I can see Kolisi being captain at the 2027 RWC.

Age is just a number. Players who are barely lasting now likely aren't going to be lasting in four years time.

You're fighting imagined enemies thinking any of the commentary above believe it is a black and white chop off and discard players immediately Vs succession planning and blooding.

"You're getting it all wrong" "I was the only one who called Meyer a moron"

You're going to have to wildly exaggerate if you want to be taken seriously chief.

Sure I wasn't the only one that thought HM was a rugby moron, but you cannot allow the exceptions to hold you back, you have to bang out that post without worrying and just go for the jugular. There are absolutely those among us who would send anyone older than 30 to the glue factory.

Back to the important topic at hand. HM was a fuck up, because he couldn't identify the new talent to bring in and how to use the old talent. He was left just selecting most of the squad he inherited without adding much, by 2015 it fell apart. Jean de Villiers was past it by 2015, Matfield was a lineout operator and that was all by 2015. Rassie has shown he knows who to pick, often who he picks isn't who we would but he always turns out to be correct. He's said something like "I don't pick the best players, I pick the right players", meaning there are very good players he hasn't used much because they weren't the right fit for what he wanted to do. Personally I hope he finds some room for players like the Du Preez twins and Roos in the backrow.

Historically the Boks have been rubbish in these transition periods. 2000-2003 was the time between the late 90s team and the mid/late 2000s team, it should've been a good team but instead it was a mess, even though it was stacked with quality players: James Dalton/John Smit/Lukas van Biljon/Ollie le Roux/Robbie Kempson/Cobus Visagie/Matfield/Bakkies/Mark Andrews/Skinstad/Joe van Niekerk/Schalk Burger/Andre Venter/AJ Venter/Andre Vos/Joost/Werner Swanepoel/Butch/Braam/Breyton Paulse/Chester Williams/Brent Russell/Robbie Fleck/Andre Snyman/Deon Kayser/Percy/Conrad Jantjes.
The period under HM from 2012-2015 then under AC from 2016-2017, was a similar crazy player pool from two different generations, and yet nothing much came of it. Get it wrong as happened in 2000-2003 and 2012-2017, and it ends up a disappointing period that requires a total rebuild afterwards.

Rassie staying on will be key. The second key thing is Kolisi being on top of his game, he's already said he'll keep going as long as he's selected.

[Gumboot]

I'm not familiar with the young SA players who are emerging as future Boks, but of the current squad Moodie has impressed me the most. He has all the ingredients of a future great imho. Just wonderful to watch.

[handyman]

Rassie is picking Willemse and that's enough for me.

[OomStruisbaai]

I'm not familiar with the young SA players who are emerging as future Boks, but of the current squad Moodie has impressed me the most. He has all the ingredients of a future great imho. Just wonderful to watch.

In Twickenham you show more or less our alternative squad. With Libbok in 10 you can always expect more running rugby from the Springboks. We have fantastic depth and not a shortage of talented youngsters knocking the door.

[assfly]

The scenes at OR Tambo are just incredible.