Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Tichtheid]

Piers suggesting not all protesters are extremists. Murray makes a fair point on what protestors are knowingly marching alongside.

You've posted this about three or four times now so it's obviously something you strongly identify with.

His argument is that those you associate yourself with, or those who associate themselves with you etc , blurs any distinction and you all become one homogenous entity, all standing for the same thing, ie the most extreme faction becomes the norm.

His views are extreme,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_M ... #Criticism

You align yourself to his views.

[Simian]

Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?

They are no different to any other religious group imho.

Don’t be ridiculous

What Slick said. No other religion has 21st century fundamentalism.

that's simply not true

thoughts and prayers etc while campaigning for everyone to have guns, 'war on terror' etc

what you say is simply not true

[fishfoodie]

Don’t be ridiculous

What Slick said. No other religion has 21st century fundamentalism.

that's simply not true

thoughts and prayers etc while campaigning for everyone to have guns, 'war on terror' etc

what you say is simply not true

Or the Chechen, & Yugoslav Wars, which were both Christians massacring Muslims, & the West which would have been all over it if it was the other way around, sat by & did SFA !

[Tichtheid]

What Slick said. No other religion has 21st century fundamentalism.

that's simply not true

thoughts and prayers etc while campaigning for everyone to have guns, 'war on terror' etc

what you say is simply not true

Or the Chechen, & Yugoslav Wars, which were both Christians massacring Muslims, & the West which would have been all over it if it was the other way around, sat by & did SFA !

okay it's not 21st century, but close, Rwanda.

Myanmar has Bhuddist violence on Muslims, actually I can be bothered to list any more, it's just so wrong to suggest that one religion is responsible for violence, it isn't any religion, it's the human propensity to "other" and make that an excuse to kill because of it, that is the problem

[Simian]

that's simply not true

thoughts and prayers etc while campaigning for everyone to have guns, 'war on terror' etc

what you say is simply not true

Or the Chechen, & Yugoslav Wars, which were both Christians massacring Muslims, & the West which would have been all over it if it was the other way around, sat by & did SFA !

okay it's not 21st century, but close, Rwanda.

Myanmar has Bhuddist violence on Muslims, actually I can be bothered to list any more, it's just so wrong to suggest that one religion is responsible for violence, it isn't any religion, it's the human propensity to "other" and make that an excuse to kill because of it, that is the problem

yup. I find it incredible that so many people on here (and elsewhere) espouse the view that religious violence and hatred comes exclusively from islam. I am baffled how someone can look at the world and say something like that. wild.

[Tichtheid]

Or the Chechen, & Yugoslav Wars, which were both Christians massacring Muslims, & the West which would have been all over it if it was the other way around, sat by & did SFA !

okay it's not 21st century, but close, Rwanda.

Myanmar has Bhuddist violence on Muslims, actually I can be bothered to list any more, it's just so wrong to suggest that one religion is responsible for violence, it isn't any religion, it's the human propensity to "other" and make that an excuse to kill because of it, that is the problem

yup. I find it incredible that so many people on here (and elsewhere) espouse the view that religious violence and hatred comes exclusively from islam. I am baffled how someone can look at the world and say something like that. wild.

If someone was to say Judaism was especially violent or the only violent religion then they would be rightly condemned as being Antisemitic.

If someone says Islam is responsible for all the violence then by the same token is that not Islamophobic?

[C69]

Or the Chechen, & Yugoslav Wars, which were both Christians massacring Muslims, & the West which would have been all over it if it was the other way around, sat by & did SFA !

okay it's not 21st century, but close, Rwanda.

Myanmar has Bhuddist violence on Muslims, actually I can be bothered to list any more, it's just so wrong to suggest that one religion is responsible for violence, it isn't any religion, it's the human propensity to "other" and make that an excuse to kill because of it, that is the problem

yup. I find it incredible that so many people on here (and elsewhere) espouse the view that religious violence and hatred comes exclusively from islam. I am baffled how someone can look at the world and say something like that. wild.

Islamophobia or racism or stupidity or bigotry?

[fishfoodie]

that's simply not true

thoughts and prayers etc while campaigning for everyone to have guns, 'war on terror' etc

what you say is simply not true

Or the Chechen, & Yugoslav Wars, which were both Christians massacring Muslims, & the West which would have been all over it if it was the other way around, sat by & did SFA !

okay it's not 21st century, but close, Rwanda.

Myanmar has Bhuddist violence on Muslims, actually I can be bothered to list any more, it's just so wrong to suggest that one religion is responsible for violence, it isn't any religion, it's the human propensity to "other" and make that an excuse to kill because of it, that is the problem

Yep. Look at the atheist China's treatment of the Uyghurs, or Tibet !

Religion just provides a convenient rallying point for despots to other a group. Fuck it; if the history of Islam tells us anything, it's that the overwhelming majority of violence is directed internally, between Shia & Sunni.

[Slick]

Perhaps some of the genesis for this lies at the hands of Christians and illegals wars and failures of the West.
Iraq, Libya an s Afghanistan.
Remember a million dead in Iraq and Bush asserted God told him his actions were just FFS. Blair and Bush doing the work of Jesus father.
Gtfo if you think they were doing the work of Christ but they stated they were.
Same as the HAMAS scum now.

I don't accept that terror attacks against the civillian populations of countries are excused like that. If the issues are with politicians and the armed forces they command, target them. Indiscriminate slaughter of people who have no say isn't a retaliation for military incompetence.

Casting it as Christian vs. Muslim is reaching. Bush said it about one theatre and his words as a president of the US hold some weight, but none of the rest of the coalition nations made any such expressions. If it were Christianity vs. Islam you might expect the terrorists to specifically target Christians/churches when launching their attacks, but, no, they're pretty indiscriminate when pursuing mass targets rather than specific individuals ( for such ghastly crimes as drawing their pedo prophet).

You do realize that Bush's war and the resultant chaos is directly responsible for the rise of ISIS?

ISIS that killed almost exclusively Muslims?

[fishfoodie]

I don't accept that terror attacks against the civillian populations of countries are excused like that. If the issues are with politicians and the armed forces they command, target them. Indiscriminate slaughter of people who have no say isn't a retaliation for military incompetence.

Casting it as Christian vs. Muslim is reaching. Bush said it about one theatre and his words as a president of the US hold some weight, but none of the rest of the coalition nations made any such expressions. If it were Christianity vs. Islam you might expect the terrorists to specifically target Christians/churches when launching their attacks, but, no, they're pretty indiscriminate when pursuing mass targets rather than specific individuals ( for such ghastly crimes as drawing their pedo prophet).

You do realize that Bush's war and the resultant chaos is directly responsible for the rise of ISIS?

ISIS that killed almost exclusively Muslims?

It's one of the most tragic accidents of history that the entirely justifiable Iranian revolution led to West picking the side of the worst scum on the Sunni side, when the Shia had been, & were the most likely to form Democratic Governments.

[Calculon]

What Slick said. No other religion has 21st century fundamentalism.

that's simply not true

thoughts and prayers etc while campaigning for everyone to have guns, 'war on terror' etc

what you say is simply not true

Or the Chechen, & Yugoslav Wars, which were both Christians massacring Muslims, & the West which would have been all over it if it was the other way around, sat by & did SFA !

Many in the Russian army carrying out massacres in Chechnya were Muslims, at least nominally so. Not unlike the situation in Ukraine. The war there ended up pretty much Chechens killing, and brutalizing, other Chechens.

The NATO bombing of Yugoslavia and the subsequent peace keeping missions is a lovely example of Western countries helping Muslims. Not sure they got much credit for it though.

[Calculon]

Thought this was interesting

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67378893

Is melenchon France's corbyn?

[Calculon]

Or the Chechen, & Yugoslav Wars, which were both Christians massacring Muslims, & the West which would have been all over it if it was the other way around, sat by & did SFA !

okay it's not 21st century, but close, Rwanda.

Myanmar has Bhuddist violence on Muslims, actually I can be bothered to list any more, it's just so wrong to suggest that one religion is responsible for violence, it isn't any religion, it's the human propensity to "other" and make that an excuse to kill because of it, that is the problem

yup. I find it incredible that so many people on here (and elsewhere) espouse the view that religious violence and hatred comes exclusively from islam. I am baffled how someone can look at the world and say something like that. wild.

Not sure anyone on here is saying religious violence and hatred comes exclusively from Islam. At the same time, its completely bonkers thinking Christianity has the same problem with religious violence (and hatred of Jews) as Islam. Bringing up Breivik, a pagan Nazi, and McVeigh, a self-described agnostic, is also hardly relevant.

[robmatic]

okay it's not 21st century, but close, Rwanda.

Myanmar has Bhuddist violence on Muslims, actually I can be bothered to list any more, it's just so wrong to suggest that one religion is responsible for violence, it isn't any religion, it's the human propensity to "other" and make that an excuse to kill because of it, that is the problem

yup. I find it incredible that so many people on here (and elsewhere) espouse the view that religious violence and hatred comes exclusively from islam. I am baffled how someone can look at the world and say something like that. wild.

Not sure anyone on here is saying religious violence and hatred comes exclusively from Islam. At the same time, its completely bonkers thinking Christianity has the same problem with religious violence (and hatred of Jews) as Islam. Bringing up Breivik, a pagan Nazi, and McVeigh, a self-described agnostic, is also hardly relevant.

Yeah, Islam definitely has more than its fair share of nutters and it's not even close. There is not a lot of tolerance and pluralism in the Islamic world.

[Ymx]

Piers suggesting not all protesters are extremists. Murray makes a fair point on what protestors are knowingly marching alongside.

You've posted this about three or four times now so it's obviously something you strongly identify with.

His argument is that those you associate yourself with, or those who associate themselves with you etc , blurs any distinction and you all become one homogenous entity, all standing for the same thing, ie the most extreme faction becomes the norm.

His views are extreme,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_M ... #Criticism

You align yourself to his views.

I only know that interview. There were separate excerpts of that interview being posted. That interview was not extreme at all.

What is labelled as far right has become a huge joke. It’s a pretty meaningless label being thrown about now.

[C69]

Piers suggesting not all protesters are extremists. Murray makes a fair point on what protestors are knowingly marching alongside.

You've posted this about three or four times now so it's obviously something you strongly identify with.

His argument is that those you associate yourself with, or those who associate themselves with you etc , blurs any distinction and you all become one homogenous entity, all standing for the same thing, ie the most extreme faction becomes the norm.

His views are extreme,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_M ... #Criticism

You align yourself to his views.

I only know that interview. There were separate excerpts of that interview being posted. That interview was not extreme at all.

What is labelled as far right has become a huge joke. It’s a pretty meaningless label being thrown about now.

Out of curiousity how would you labelll those EDL supporters that attacked and abused the police and tried to storm Whitehall and the Cenotaph.

[Ymx]

I’d call them idiots.

However they did undoubtedly prove exactly what Suella was saying.

There was much made of them pushing their way through to the cenotaph. All they did was respectfully observe the ceremony.

Later on Police arrested them “to prevent a breach of the peace”. Not for actually doing anything, but just in case they did.

Meanwhile, people were marching with Hamas masks on, attacking someone who dared hold up a banner saying Hamas are Isis. Sung from the river to the sea. All sorts of Nazi are genocidal banners, which somehow the tens of thousands of police missed in real time.

And the BBC summary was that far right counter protestors caused trouble and were arrested.

Channel 4 even claimed it was a peaceful march.

The absolute state of the country!

[Insane_Homer]

that's some rabbit hole you've gone down there. Seek help

[sefton]

That’s hilarious. Between YMX and Calculon we’ve had Wingnut 101 this weekend.

[Ymx]

That’s hilarious. Between YMX and Calculon we’ve had Wingnut 101 this weekend.

You are in clear need for some edumacation

[Uncle fester]

Not sure anyone on here is saying religious violence and hatred comes exclusively from Islam. At the same time, its completely bonkers thinking Christianity has the same problem with religious violence (and hatred of Jews) as Islam. Bringing up Breivik, a pagan Nazi, and McVeigh, a self-described agnostic, is also hardly relevant.

Actually that's exactly what Sock said.

there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West

[Uncle fester]

That’s hilarious. Between YMX and Calculon we’ve had Wingnut 101 this weekend.

You are in clear need for some edumacation

Hear that Sefton?
You're going to camp!

[Calculon]

What an absolute shitty thing to do. I have some friends in academia who described similar frustrations with the visa system.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... a-daughter

[Ymx]

Here is a video of the lot who broke through to the Cenataph

Utter chaotic scenes.

There was much made of them pushing their way through to the cenotaph. All they did was respectfully observe the ceremony.

[Ymx]

Arrests made not because of a breach of peace, but just in case there is one.

Later on Police arrested them “to prevent a breach of the peace”. Not for actually doing anything, but just in case they did.

[dpedin]

I’d call them idiots.

However they did undoubtedly prove exactly what Suella was saying.

There was much made of them pushing their way through to the cenotaph. All they did was respectfully observe the ceremony.

Later on Police arrested them “to prevent a breach of the peace”. Not for actually doing anything, but just in case they did.

Meanwhile, people were marching with Hamas masks on, attacking someone who dared hold up a banner saying Hamas are Isis. Sung from the river to the sea. All sorts of Nazi are genocidal banners, which somehow the tens of thousands of police missed in real time.

And the BBC summary was that far right counter protestors caused trouble and were arrested.

Channel 4 even claimed it was a peaceful march.

The absolute state of the country!

The Met Police said that the Right Wing nutters were almost exclusively male and many were 'tooled up' with knuckledusters and knives plus carrying drugs etc. They were there for a fight with the police who they chanted at 'you're not English anymore'. To suggest the mob who tried to storm the Cenotaph at 10.30 onwards were there for anything other than a fight is just plain nonsense - the copious amount of video evidence is there for everyone to see. They were essentially there in response to the clarion call from Cruella and were our equivalent of the Proud Boys being egged on by the Orange Twat Trump to storm the Capitol - fortunately our English version of the Proud Boys are just less organised, unarmed and too coked up to be that effective. I also see Wee Tommy was there but scampered into the back of a black cab when the going got tough - probably had enough footage to upload to his website to keep the nutters happy and keep the funds flowing to fund his Spanish villa?

How Cruella keeps her job now is beyond me and Sunak, in not dealing with her earlier, is now backed into a corner - sack her and lose the support of the NatC right wing nut jobs or dont sack her and lose any credibility with the rest of his party and the general voting public. Trying to win the vote of the far right in the UK will never be enough to win the next election and they way Sunak is going he is rapidly losing the support of the middle and left of the Tory party who up to now were probably undecided but are now realizing they will have to vote for right wing crackpots and are baulking at the idea of doing so. The wedge issues strategy is creating more of a wedge within the Tory party than between them and the other parties.

[SaintK]

You really are a trolling piece of shit

[Ymx]

And here’s some peace loving protestors

Meanwhile, people were marching with Hamas masks on, attacking someone who dared hold up a banner saying Hamas are Isis. Sung from the river to the sea. All sorts of Nazi are genocidal banners, which somehow the tens of thousands of police missed in real time.

[Ymx]

BBC balanced digest of the day



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67390343

And the BBC summary was that far right counter protestors caused trouble and were arrested.

[C69]

You really are a trolling piece of shit

Bit harsh tbh. I don't think he is trolling at all, he empathises and shares the views of his fellow travellers.I think he is just frustrated that he feels they are misunderstood and the MSM and Sunak labelling these defenders of the Cenotaph as far right is just wrong.

I quite like his diverse choice of sources.
Oli London the cartoon body dysmorphic pansexual Korean
Phile and BTS super fan says a lot about his viewing preferences.

[dpedin]

You really are a trolling piece of shit

Bit harsh tbh. I don't think he is trolling at all, he empathises and shares the views of his fellow travellers.I think he is just frustrated that he feels they are misunderstood and the MSM and Sunak labelling these defenders of the Cenotaph as far right is just wrong.

I quite like his diverse choice of sources.
Oli London the cartoon body dysmorphic pansexual Korean
Phile and BTS super fan says a lot about his viewing preferences.

I think he tries really hard to wind folk up but gets really annoyed when it doesn't work. He tries all of the usual tricks that probably work on the other place but fails miserably here. I suspect he is a rather lonely, sad man who shares many of the values of the those he tries to miserably defend on here and can't understand why others here don't share his beliefs. He is a bit of a harmless distraction but no more than that.

[Ymx]

Channel 4 peaceful march.



Looks like it vanished overnight.

Channel 4 even claimed it was a peaceful march.

[Biffer]

I’d call them idiots.

However they did undoubtedly prove exactly what Suella was saying.

There was much made of them pushing their way through to the cenotaph. All they did was respectfully observe the ceremony.

Later on Police arrested them “to prevent a breach of the peace”. Not for actually doing anything, but just in case they did.

Meanwhile, people were marching with Hamas masks on, attacking someone who dared hold up a banner saying Hamas are Isis. Sung from the river to the sea. All sorts of Nazi are genocidal banners, which somehow the tens of thousands of police missed in real time.

And the BBC summary was that far right counter protestors caused trouble and were arrested.

Channel 4 even claimed it was a peaceful march.

The absolute state of the country!

If I was one of the people who was jostling the police at the cenotaph yesterday I’d tell you to fuck off out of the country if you don’t like it. But I’m not, so I won’t.

[SaintK]

Shapps out doing the broadcast rounds this morning defending Braverman

Asked whether Braverman had in part provoked the far-right violence – a view seemingly taken by the Met police, which said “a week of intense debate about protest and policing” had contributed to inflamed tensions – Shapps said it had not.
“The counterprotest was already going to happen,” he told Sky’s Trevor Phillips on Sunday show. “Those people who were going to come and try and disrupt this weekend had already said they were going to do it. They were doing it, in their own twisted way, because they were protesting themselves against other marches.”

[Ymx]

You really are a trolling piece of shit

Well, there’s the other side, that you really are just a vile turd when you don’t hear what you want.

[tc27]

Kinda suspect the far right would have being out yesterday regardless.

Again my feeling is whatever democratic/freedom of speeech virtue exists in marching in the capital of a nation with barely any influence on Isreal or Hamas has being served. The public order interest now takes precedence.

Everyone can go again next month if they really want to.

[Ymx]

I’d call them idiots.

However they did undoubtedly prove exactly what Suella was saying.

There was much made of them pushing their way through to the cenotaph. All they did was respectfully observe the ceremony.

Later on Police arrested them “to prevent a breach of the peace”. Not for actually doing anything, but just in case they did.

Meanwhile, people were marching with Hamas masks on, attacking someone who dared hold up a banner saying Hamas are Isis. Sung from the river to the sea. All sorts of Nazi are genocidal banners, which somehow the tens of thousands of police missed in real time.

And the BBC summary was that far right counter protestors caused trouble and were arrested.

Channel 4 even claimed it was a peaceful march.

The absolute state of the country!

If I was one of the people who was jostling the police at the cenotaph yesterday I’d tell you to fuck off out of the country if you don’t like it. But I’m not, so I won’t.

You’re probably more the type who would never have a union flag in your household than I.

[Lobby]

You really are a trolling piece of shit

I think he's just upset that he wasn't there yesterday to show his respect for the Cenotaph by throwing things at the Police along with Braverman's Brownshirts and other fellow travellers.

[SaintK]

I’d call them idiots.

However they did undoubtedly prove exactly what Suella was saying.

There was much made of them pushing their way through to the cenotaph. All they did was respectfully observe the ceremony.

Later on Police arrested them “to prevent a breach of the peace”. Not for actually doing anything, but just in case they did.

Meanwhile, people were marching with Hamas masks on, attacking someone who dared hold up a banner saying Hamas are Isis. Sung from the river to the sea. All sorts of Nazi are genocidal banners, which somehow the tens of thousands of police missed in real time.

And the BBC summary was that far right counter protestors caused trouble and were arrested.

Channel 4 even claimed it was a peaceful march.

The absolute state of the country!

If I was one of the people who was jostling the police at the cenotaph yesterday I’d tell you to fuck off out of the country if you don’t like it. But I’m not, so I won’t.

You’re probably more the type who would never have a union flag in your household than I.

Oh do fuck off you little shit. You think what the scum you appear to support were doing yesterday was patriotic

[Ymx]

And to add … the ability to read is clearly not strong with you.

Well done on your continued vile behaviour.