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Calculon wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:00 am
Gumboot wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:53 am Haley has shown she's just as extremist as Trump. She wants to be on his ticket so will say nothing critical of him. She's hollow.
She's hollow in the sense that the only reason she became a Republican was because she lived in a heavily Republican area so that was the only option to gain power and influence. If she lived in a heavily Democrat area she would have become a Democrat. there is no way she is going to be on Trump's ticket, she knows it and I doubt she wants it. She has been criticial of Trump, many times, but she is also aware that she can't be too critical since she needs to win over those that still admire him. The same dilemma that faces all the GOP candidates though arguably she has handled it better by coming from well behind to overtake DeSantis, a genuinely horrible person, to be the main alternative to Trump
I think what I've bolded is why she's angling for Tump's VP spot - she has zero ideological gravity and will say and do anything to attain power.

Without offending Trump.
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Go for it, Nikki...
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As if MAGA types are ever going to vote for Nimarata Nikki Randhawa.
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Uncle fester wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:01 am As if MAGA types are ever going to vote for Nimarata Nikki Randhawa.
Not every Republican who will potentially vote for Trump is MAGA scum
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Calculon wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:40 am
Uncle fester wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:01 am As if MAGA types are ever going to vote for Nimarata Nikki Randhawa.
Not every Republican who will potentially vote for Trump is MAGA scum
Without their votes, a republican candidate will not win.
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Uncle fester wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:44 am
Calculon wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:40 am
Uncle fester wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:01 am As if MAGA types are ever going to vote for Nimarata Nikki Randhawa.
Not every Republican who will potentially vote for Trump is MAGA scum
Without their votes, a republican candidate will not win.
Probably so, which is why Trump will likely win.
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Thor Sedan wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am
Hugo wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:51 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:45 am Biden posts incredible job numbers, GDP rises and inflation reduction and now even the doomsayers are admitting that the Biden economy is heading for a soft landing - and STILL Fox and the cult claim he is ruining the US.

I cannot even vocalise my hatred for the US right now - a monstrous part of me wants it to descend into a civil war - lovely thought in a time of goodwill amongst men.
Wait, thats what has you hating the US right now and not what they are enabling in Gaza?
Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.
The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.
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Hugo wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:48 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am
Hugo wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:51 pm

Wait, thats what has you hating the US right now and not what they are enabling in Gaza?
Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.
The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.
Bit like the NRA, the lobby groups are significantly more organised than the general voting population.
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Hugo wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:48 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am
Hugo wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:51 pm

Wait, thats what has you hating the US right now and not what they are enabling in Gaza?
Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.
The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.
You are sadly out of touch with reality if you think the US voting public will actually care about this and vote one way or another depending on this issue come the general election.
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Flockwitt wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:48 pm
Hugo wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:48 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am

Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.
The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.
You are sadly out of touch with reality if you think the US voting public will actually care about this and vote one way or another depending on this issue come the general election.
Given the wafer thin margins that elections are won & lost in swing states seems a tad complacent to act like this issue will have zero effect on the outcome of the election.

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/29/arab-a ... biden-2024
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Wringing your hands over a foreign conflict the incumbant could do more to end when the alternative is a man who explicitly wants to do away with democracy and is increasingly using the exact rhetoric of the Nazis to describe political opponents and vulnerable groups is a luxury the American voters simply don't have. With all that he's been saying, do the Arab Americans threatening to abandon Biden really want Trump instead? That's the option at the moment.

Those who wouldn't vote Biden over Palestine are morons and/or the youth who historically don't turn out to vote anyway.

We all tend to care more about what's closer to home, the stakes in Palestine simply aren't high enough to override that for the overwhelming majority.
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Muslims & Arabs wilil likely not vote for either Presidential candidate.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnew ... den-votes/
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If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu, a very sttrong supporter of Israel and who recently declared that he wants to expand his Muslim ban if he returns to office, including barring any Gazan refugees from entering the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... a-refugees

Sometimes there are no good options, but one can definitely be worse than the other. If Muslim Americans think not voting for Biden is going to help Palestine in any way, then they're going to be in for a rude awakening.
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About the only funny thing of a second Trump presidency would be when his Muslim ban mk2 is introduced and seeing the reaction of the pro Palistinians who urged people not to vote for Biden. I absolutely detest this stupid and lazy idea of "both sides are as bad as each other"
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:14 pm If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu, a very sttrong supporter of Israel and who recently declared that he wants to expand his Muslim ban if he returns to office, including barring any Gazan refugees from entering the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... a-refugees

Sometimes there are no good options, but one can definitely be worse than the other. If Muslim Americans think not voting for Biden is going to help Palestine in any way, then they're going to be in for a rude awakening.
You don't have to convince me of that, Trump is openly Islamophobic and would probably be supporting Israel just as ardently as Biden is. Moreso infact. The Israel lobby groups (AIPAC & the ADL I think are the main two) have incredible sway in Washington on noth sides of the aisle.

However, the reality is that this all happening on Biden's watch and supplying Israel with the weapons that are killing Palestinian kids is a liability to his chances of getting re-elected. It will surely depress turnout amongst Arabs, Muslims, young voters, doves and progressives and a 3rd party candidate like brother Cornel West could easily scoop up a lot of those votes.
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Calculon wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:53 am About the only funny thing of a second Trump presidency would be when his Muslim ban mk2 is introduced and seeing the reaction of the pro Palistinians who urged people not to vote for Biden. I absolutely detest this stupid and lazy idea of "both sides are as bad as each other"
Someone shooting the fat hunchbacked fuckwit would be pretty chuckalicous. The aftermath, even more so.
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Hugo wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:48 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am
Hugo wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:51 pm

Wait, thats what has you hating the US right now and not what they are enabling in Gaza?
Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.
The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.
The issues in the ME are the only thing that should be on the table? The good news NATIONALLY should be ignored?

And anyway:

US don't support Israel - trump and his gormless cult members will scream about not supporting Israel and Fox 'news' will frig themselves into a steaming mess
US do support Israel - then all the lovies will scream about genocide and lay all the blame unfairly at the feet of Israel
US support a ceasefire - either they get branded as 'meddlers in ME situations OR in about 5 years when Hamas or a like for like group attack Israel then the US are told they are enablers and didn't do enough
The next Islamic terrorist attack will have everybody branding Muslims as terrorists - and goodness know what sort of pretzels the pro-Palestinian folk will tie themselves into if the attack should happen on US soil

And ultimately we will be back here in 10 years with people still screaming for a 2 state solution and no one making decisions except for rockets being thrown into Israel and civilians being killed by Israel bombs.

The situation is beyond any solution simply because if Israel put down their weapons then they will be wiped off the face of the earth - or alternatively - Palestine will keep trying to bloody Israels nose and complain when they themselves get knocked out.

It is fecked - and I lay the blame firmly at the various cults that lay claim to tracts of land and 'holy' sites based on stories told by uneducated charlatans trying to explain things from a primitive point of view. The issue is religion and its unending damage it visits on earth.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:14 pm If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu, a very sttrong supporter of Israel and who recently declared that he wants to expand his Muslim ban if he returns to office, including barring any Gazan refugees from entering the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... a-refugees

Sometimes there are no good options, but one can definitely be worse than the other. If Muslim Americans think not voting for Biden is going to help Palestine in any way, then they're going to be in for a rude awakening.
There are at least two topics in American politics where there is no, winning, just degrees of losing:

1) Abortion - You'll always piss off someone
2) Israel - See #1
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fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:53 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:14 pm If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu, a very sttrong supporter of Israel and who recently declared that he wants to expand his Muslim ban if he returns to office, including barring any Gazan refugees from entering the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... a-refugees

Sometimes there are no good options, but one can definitely be worse than the other. If Muslim Americans think not voting for Biden is going to help Palestine in any way, then they're going to be in for a rude awakening.
There are at least two topics in American politics where there is no, winning, just degrees of losing:

1) Abortion - You'll always piss off someone
2) Israel - See #1
3. Gun Control
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:42 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:53 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:14 pm If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu, a very sttrong supporter of Israel and who recently declared that he wants to expand his Muslim ban if he returns to office, including barring any Gazan refugees from entering the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... a-refugees

Sometimes there are no good options, but one can definitely be worse than the other. If Muslim Americans think not voting for Biden is going to help Palestine in any way, then they're going to be in for a rude awakening.
There are at least two topics in American politics where there is no, winning, just degrees of losing:

1) Abortion - You'll always piss off someone
2) Israel - See #1
3. Gun Control
Only really for the GOP; the Dems have passed numerous gun control measures over the last few decades, & it hasn't significantly impacted their vote.The voting public know exactly what they get when the vote Democrat, because the DNC worked out some time ago that the NRA had a very loud bark, but no teeth !

The GOP on the other hand got donations from the NRA that were never would go to the DNC, & it was all about the money for them
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:14 pm If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu
Trump doesn't have a strong regard for Bibi. He likes authoritarian leaders as he conflates a lack of open democracy with strength, but Bibi not so much. And it's an interesting dynamic, that Biden is likely a much stronger supporter of Bibi (Biden not being personally repulsed that Bibi once said no to him, and Biden not having the emotional maturity of a delinquent toddler) given Trump's animosity

Whether trying to craft a message around that targeted at the right audience would help Trump I don't know, they might as well try as it wouldn't cost much, and it's not going to add to Biden's vote tally
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fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:53 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:14 pm If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu, a very sttrong supporter of Israel and who recently declared that he wants to expand his Muslim ban if he returns to office, including barring any Gazan refugees from entering the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... a-refugees

Sometimes there are no good options, but one can definitely be worse than the other. If Muslim Americans think not voting for Biden is going to help Palestine in any way, then they're going to be in for a rude awakening.
There are at least two topics in American politics where there is no, winning, just degrees of losing:

1) Abortion - You'll always piss off someone The majority (around 80%) of US folk believe that abortion should exist in some form or another - it is only around 15% that believe that abortion should be illegal in all cases. Blanket bans (as suggested by the MAGAt extremists and religious twits) are extremely unpopular
2) Israel - See #1
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Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:34 pm
Hugo wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:48 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am

Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.
The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.
The issues in the ME are the only thing that should be on the table? The good news NATIONALLY should be ignored?

And anyway:

US don't support Israel - trump and his gormless cult members will scream about not supporting Israel and Fox 'news' will frig themselves into a steaming mess
US do support Israel - then all the lovies will scream about genocide and lay all the blame unfairly at the feet of Israel
US support a ceasefire - either they get branded as 'meddlers in ME situations OR in about 5 years when Hamas or a like for like group attack Israel then the US are told they are enablers and didn't do enough
The next Islamic terrorist attack will have everybody branding Muslims as terrorists - and goodness know what sort of pretzels the pro-Palestinian folk will tie themselves into if the attack should happen on US soil

And ultimately we will be back here in 10 years with people still screaming for a 2 state solution and no one making decisions except for rockets being thrown into Israel and civilians being killed by Israel bombs.

The situation is beyond any solution simply because if Israel put down their weapons then they will be wiped off the face of the earth - or alternatively - Palestine will keep trying to bloody Israels nose and complain when they themselves get knocked out.

It is fecked - and I lay the blame firmly at the various cults that lay claim to tracts of land and 'holy' sites based on stories told by uneducated charlatans trying to explain things from a primitive point of view. The issue is religion and its unending damage it visits on earth.
Religion is a factor but it's not the entire story. This conflict has a lot in common with historical colonial conflicts where settlers grab more and more land, leaving the dispossessed less and less land.

Watch the four part Australian Wars series on BBC. Some of the similarities are uncanny.
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TEXAS!

A woman in TX, 12 weeks pregnant, Just found out the fetus has died.
There is no heartbeat.
They are making her continue to carry her dead baby until she goes into labor and delivers her dead baby.
This is mental and emotional trauma.
Examples like this might sway a few votes..
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TB63 wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:21 am
TEXAS!

A woman in TX, 12 weeks pregnant, Just found out the fetus has died.
There is no heartbeat.
They are making her continue to carry her dead baby until she goes into labor and delivers her dead baby.
This is mental and emotional trauma.
Examples like this might sway a few votes..
And those morons criticise the Taliban for their treatment of women.
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TB63 wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:21 am
TEXAS!

A woman in TX, 12 weeks pregnant, Just found out the fetus has died.
There is no heartbeat.
They are making her continue to carry her dead baby until she goes into labor and delivers her dead baby.
This is mental and emotional trauma.
Examples like this might sway a few votes..
So the right to life means a dead fetus trumps a live adult?

So pretty much the opposite approach to that of every other mature democracy on the planet...
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You have to wonder, the most powerful democratic nation on earth still tying itself in knots over issues as basic as women's rights that most other "lesser" powers resolved and moved on from decades ago...

I blame religion. Or rather the bastardised American version of fundimentalist Christianity.

The most advanced democracy on earth, but also the most backward. No wonder it's a mess.
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Gumboot wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:57 am
TB63 wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:21 am
TEXAS!

A woman in TX, 12 weeks pregnant, Just found out the fetus has died.
There is no heartbeat.
They are making her continue to carry her dead baby until she goes into labor and delivers her dead baby.
This is mental and emotional trauma.
Examples like this might sway a few votes..
So the right to life means a dead fetus trumps a live adult?

So pretty much the opposite approach to that of every other mature democracy on the planet...
Advocating for fetal rights is wonderfully easy as you don't actually have to have sacrifice anything yourself - that's all on somebody else. Particularly when you can completely stop giving a shit as soon as birth takes place.
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Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:14 amAdvocating for fetal rights is wonderfully easy as you don't actually have to have sacrifice anything yourself - that's all on somebody else. Particularly when you can completely stop giving a shit as soon as birth takes place.
Yep, and you get to claim the moral high ground of speaking for those who can't speak for themselves, like dead fetuses.

While those who actually can speak for themselves - the women - don't get a say because...God.

And even though God is a ridiculous imaginary concept, that doesn't matter because...

...dead fetuses are more important than living women.
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I thought general public opinion on abortion was to the left of the hardline republican stance?
As in rolling back roe v wade was a vote loser for republicans rather than a vote winner.
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Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:14 am
Gumboot wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:57 am
TB63 wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:21 am

Examples like this might sway a few votes..
So the right to life means a dead fetus trumps a live adult?

So pretty much the opposite approach to that of every other mature democracy on the planet...
Advocating for fetal rights is wonderfully easy as you don't actually have to have sacrifice anything yourself - that's all on somebody else. Particularly when you can completely stop giving a shit as soon as birth takes place.
And have enough money to quietly fly the pregnant relative/mistress somewhere out of sight to get an abortion without the crazies finding out.
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Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:34 pm
Hugo wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:48 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am

Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.
The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.
The issues in the ME are the only thing that should be on the table? The good news NATIONALLY should be ignored?

And anyway:

US don't support Israel - trump and his gormless cult members will scream about not supporting Israel and Fox 'news' will frig themselves into a steaming mess
US do support Israel - then all the lovies will scream about genocide and lay all the blame unfairly at the feet of Israel
US support a ceasefire - either they get branded as 'meddlers in ME situations OR in about 5 years when Hamas or a like for like group attack Israel then the US are told they are enablers and didn't do enough
The next Islamic terrorist attack will have everybody branding Muslims as terrorists - and goodness know what sort of pretzels the pro-Palestinian folk will tie themselves into if the attack should happen on US soil

And ultimately we will be back here in 10 years with people still screaming for a 2 state solution and no one making decisions except for rockets being thrown into Israel and civilians being killed by Israel bombs.

The situation is beyond any solution simply because if Israel put down their weapons then they will be wiped off the face of the earth - or alternatively - Palestine will keep trying to bloody Israels nose and complain when they themselves get knocked out.

It is fecked - and I lay the blame firmly at the various cults that lay claim to tracts of land and 'holy' sites based on stories told by uneducated charlatans trying to explain things from a primitive point of view. The issue is religion and its unending damage it visits on earth.
"They get branded as meddlers in ME situations"

!!!!

What is the US if not a perennial troublemaker in the middle east? Its been a national pastime since WWII - they've effected regime change in both Iran (1953) and Iraq (2003) and got up to a host of other mischief in the region. For example, providing the arms and diplomatic support to Israel which has enabled their genocide of Palestinians.
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Hugo wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:17 pm For example, providing the arms and diplomatic support to Israel which has enabled their genocide of Palestinians.
The best defence is a good offence - with F16s.
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Hugo wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:17 pm "They get branded as meddlers in ME situations"

!!!!

What is the US if not a perennial troublemaker in the middle east? Its been a national pastime since WWII - they've effected regime change in both Iran (1953) and Iraq (2003) and got up to a host of other mischief in the region. For example, providing the arms and diplomatic support to Israel which has enabled their genocide of Palestinians.
OK - so the US and the UK and the European major countries didn't meddle - then what is that part of the world looking like? Would you be on here upset about the no doubt genocide of Jewish folk in the area? Would Jews even have a home? Would you be welcoming the 'hoards' of Jewish refugees into your country? Would there still be conflict without the US/UK/Europe or would it be all happiness and roses in an oil rich caliphate?

There is no achievable positive outcome for that area. A mix of religious fundamentalism, geo-politics, oil revenues up for grabs, poverty and rampant greed are unsolvable.

I am not saying that Israel is the good guy and Muslims are bad.....but I do know that the Gaza civilians should be mighty p*ssed off with the hamas organisation that have absolutely no desire to create any kind of better life for Palestinians.
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Uncle fester wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:00 pm I thought general public opinion on abortion was to the left of the hardline republican stance?
As in rolling back roe v wade was a vote loser for republicans rather than a vote winner.
The majority opinion nationwide is over 70% in favour of abortions up to 24 weeks (IIRC), with even 60% of Republicans in favour. Yet their representatives at the federal and state level seem obsessed with introducing brutal restrictions.

Rolling back Roe v Wade was a massive own goal.
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CROOKED JOE BIDEN and the Radical Left Democrats, together with their minions in the DOJ, are coming after me, that moron’s Political Opponent, like never before in the history of the USA. Crooked Joe is a Threat to Democracy!!! They are setting a horrible precedent for the future of our Country. Deranged Jack and Lisa, is it a 6 year Statute of Limitations, or just 5 years? Ask your slimeball Boss, Andrew Weissmann, what your next move will be. Does Crooked Joe Biden know, or understand, what you are doing to our Failing Nation??? ELECTION INTERFERENCE!!!

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Along with 47 odd posts in a row, all about E Jean Carroll...he's lost it..
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I wonder if the release of some flight logs might be upsetting him?
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I DID NOTHING WRONG, MY FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE GREAT, & VERY CONSERVATIVE, THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE HIGHLY POLITICAL & TOTALLY CORRUPT NEW YORK STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYS. SHE RAN FOR OFFICE ON, “I WILL GET TRUMP,” SHE & THE JUDGE FRAUDULENTLY VALUED MAR-a-LAGO IN PALM BEACH, FLORIDA, AT $18,000,000, BECAUSE IT SET THEIR FAKE NARRATIVE, WHEN IT IS WORTH 50 TO 100 TIMES THAT AMOUNT. THEY NEVER USED THE “N.Y.S. STATUTE” FOR THIS BEFORE, I WAS NOT ALLOWED A JURY, THERE WAS NO VICTIM, NO DEFAULT, NO DAMAGES, NO “NOTHING,” ONLY A VERY HAPPY BANK THAT GOT ALL OF ITS MONEY BACK, WITH BIG PROFITS. THE HIGHLY RESPECTED EXPERT WITNESS SAID IT WAS THE BEST FINANCIAL STATEMENT HE HAD EVER SEEN. THIS CASE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BROUGHT, SHOULD BE IN THE COMMERCIAL DIVISION (THE RIGGED JUDGE WOULD NOT LET GO OF IT!), & I SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GAGGED. NOW THE CORRUPT A.G. WANTS $370,000,000 AS BUSINESSES FLEE NEW YORK. THEY SHOULD PAY ME. THIS IS PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT—A DOJ WITCH HUNT!
All in caps, means it's the truth... :wtf:
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Don't eat before watching,,
I puked a bit...
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TB63 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:20 pm
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I DID NOTHING WRONG, MY FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE GREAT, & VERY CONSERVATIVE, THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE HIGHLY POLITICAL & TOTALLY CORRUPT NEW YORK STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYS. SHE RAN FOR OFFICE ON, “I WILL GET TRUMP,” SHE & THE JUDGE FRAUDULENTLY VALUED MAR-a-LAGO IN PALM BEACH, FLORIDA, AT $18,000,000, BECAUSE IT SET THEIR FAKE NARRATIVE, WHEN IT IS WORTH 50 TO 100 TIMES THAT AMOUNT. THEY NEVER USED THE “N.Y.S. STATUTE” FOR THIS BEFORE, I WAS NOT ALLOWED A JURY, THERE WAS NO VICTIM, NO DEFAULT, NO DAMAGES, NO “NOTHING,” ONLY A VERY HAPPY BANK THAT GOT ALL OF ITS MONEY BACK, WITH BIG PROFITS. THE HIGHLY RESPECTED EXPERT WITNESS SAID IT WAS THE BEST FINANCIAL STATEMENT HE HAD EVER SEEN. THIS CASE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BROUGHT, SHOULD BE IN THE COMMERCIAL DIVISION (THE RIGGED JUDGE WOULD NOT LET GO OF IT!), & I SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GAGGED. NOW THE CORRUPT A.G. WANTS $370,000,000 AS BUSINESSES FLEE NEW YORK. THEY SHOULD PAY ME. THIS IS PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT—A DOJ WITCH HUNT!
All in caps, means it's the truth... :wtf:
He probably had another meeting with his, star chamber, of lawyers, where they explained just how boned he & the kids are ........

I hope NY, when they take over his apartment, choose to use it, & his other properties to house some of the illegals that Texas has been trafficing up to NY; that should do wonders for the property prices for all of them !

This is just him freaking out over a few hundred million, I can't wait till someone explains to him that he has 91 felony charges against him, & he's guilty as sin of almost all of them, & once the first conviction happens, its all over & the GOP will drop him like useless, toxic, traitor he is, & he of all people, who thinks of relationships as purely transactional, should understand that once he is un-electable, he is useless to everyone.

I don't think he'll survive this year, physically or electorally. He'll probably die, on the shitter, rage tweeting at 3am
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