Things that don't deserve their own thread

[PCPhil]

Is Littler really 16 years old?

From his appearance, I find that very hard to believe.

With you on that.

Can we all agree that Darts isnt a sport but a pub pastime just like dominoes and skittles?

Maybe get them to run a 1km between legs to introduce a kind of nordic skiing element to it?

[Sandstorm]

With you on that.

Can we all agree that Darts isnt a sport but a pub pastime just like dominoes and skittles?

Maybe get them to run a 1km between legs to introduce a kind of nordic skiing element to it?

"One huuuuuundred and eighty!"
"Ok, now he's off on his 1km run. We'll be cutting away for an episode of Antiques Roadshow and then the lad should hopefully be back......"

[fishfoodie]

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[Biffer]

Is Littler really 16 years old?

From his appearance, I find that very hard to believe.

With you on that.

Can we all agree that Darts isnt a sport but a pub pastime just like dominoes and skittles?

It's maths for alcoholics.

[Biffer]

With you on that.

Can we all agree that Darts isnt a sport but a pub pastime just like dominoes and skittles?

Maybe get them to run a 1km between legs to introduce a kind of nordic skiing element to it?

Pub biathlon of some sort? Have to unload 20 barrels of lager from the lorry and carry them down to the basement?

[ASMO]

Can we all agree that Darts isnt a sport but a pub pastime just like dominoes and skittles?

Maybe get them to run a 1km between legs to introduce a kind of nordic skiing element to it?

Pub biathlon of some sort? Have to unload 20 barrels of lager from the lorry and carry them down to the basement?

Make it so they have top run between pubs, have 1 drink and play 1 game in each pub, then run to the next, winner is based on a combination of the darts score and the time.....like the old mumbles mile (dont know if that exists anymore)

[SaintK]

Is Littler really 16 years old?

From his appearance, I find that very hard to believe.

16 going 45 by the looks and a 40" belly already!!!
Evidently his girlfriend is 5 years older than him

[mat the expat]

That is going to increase from now on. The population in my wife's home village has fallen from 4,000 when we arrived in 1998 to under 1,700 now and is predicted to fall 40% in the next 20 years

That is shocking.

Sadly, that is a very common phenomenon in rural Japan.

TBH, a few of us have thought about it to defray hotel costs in Aichi when we travel to train there

[TB63]

Maybe get them to run a 1km between legs to introduce a kind of nordic skiing element to it?

Pub biathlon of some sort? Have to unload 20 barrels of lager from the lorry and carry them down to the basement?

Make it so they have top run between pubs, have 1 drink and play 1 game in each pub, then run to the next, winner is based on a combination of the darts score and the time.....like the old mumbles mile (dont know if that exists anymore)

It does..

But a lot easier now as fewer pubs..

[ASMO]

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[Uncle fester]

Mullets new favourite pub.
https://www.irishtimes.com/food/2024/01 ... ery-night/

[TB63]

[Insane_Homer]

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[Blackmac]

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As far as I know, they have been investigating it since 2020. This is not directed at you but this whole debacle has been pretty well publicised for at least 5 years now to anyone who has been paying attention, but it's amazing how many people who hadn't given it a passing glance are now full of indignation.

[Dogbert]

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As far as I know, they have been investigating it since 2020. This is not directed at you but this whole debacle has been pretty well publicised for at least 5 years now to anyone who has been paying attention, but it's amazing how many people who hadn't given it a passing glance are now full of indignation.

The power of Television, in a good way

People should be full of indignation though. and although it has been reported in the FT /Eye- the BBC covered this in both Panorama & a BBC radio programme . its barely made the front page of any of the main stream print media , where was Times / Telegraph investigative reporting when you needed them, completely missing in action.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

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As far as I know, they have been investigating it since 2020. This is not directed at you but this whole debacle has been pretty well publicised for at least 5 years now to anyone who has been paying attention, but it's amazing how many people who hadn't given it a passing glance are now full of indignation.

In that time they have apparently interviewed two people.

If the TV programme makes them do actual work then that's progress.

[Tichtheid]

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As far as I know, they have been investigating it since 2020. This is not directed at you but this whole debacle has been pretty well publicised for at least 5 years now to anyone who has been paying attention, but it's amazing how many people who hadn't given it a passing glance are now full of indignation.

The power of Television, in a good way

People should be full of indignation though. and although it has been reported in the FT /Eye- the BBC covered this in both Panorama & a BBC radio programme . its barely made the front page of any of the main stream print media , where was Times / Telegraph investigative reporting when you needed them, completely missing in action.

Exactly.

"Cathy Come Home" had a huge impact and led to the formation of Crisis, the organisation fighting homelessness

[fishfoodie]

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As far as I know, they have been investigating it since 2020. This is not directed at you but this whole debacle has been pretty well publicised for at least 5 years now to anyone who has been paying attention, but it's amazing how many people who hadn't given it a passing glance are now full of indignation.

In that time they have apparently interviewed two people.

If the TV programme makes them do actual work then that's progress.

This is where you need an FBI that owns every crime that crosses a jurisdiction, & not just if it's in a particular category of crime, like the NCA.

Right now you have a crime that occurred across dozens of forces, & is, as such, a major crime, & should be investigated with the same focus & resources as people trafficking, or drug dealing, or whatever. Instead it gets the half arsed approach that pretty much guarantees there'll never be any court cases, let alone convictions, which satisfies all the 1% that are in the frame.

If you had a properly resourced NCA it might be different, but fraud isn't sexy, & the conviction rate on white collar crime is fucking abysmal, & that isn't just because it's hard to keep a jury focused, & get a result, but also because the people who're likely to end up in the dock on such cases, are also the ones who control the resources.

[Blackmac]

As far as I know, they have been investigating it since 2020. This is not directed at you but this whole debacle has been pretty well publicised for at least 5 years now to anyone who has been paying attention, but it's amazing how many people who hadn't given it a passing glance are now full of indignation.

In that time they have apparently interviewed two people.

If the TV programme makes them do actual work then that's progress.

This is where you need an FBI that owns every crime that crosses a jurisdiction, & not just if it's in a particular category of crime, like the NCA.

Right now you have a crime that occurred across dozens of forces, & is, as such, a major crime, & should be investigated with the same focus & resources as people trafficking, or drug dealing, or whatever. Instead it gets the half arsed approach that pretty much guarantees there'll never be any court cases, let alone convictions, which satisfies all the 1% that are in the frame.

If you had a properly resourced NCA it might be different, but fraud isn't sexy, & the conviction rate on white collar crime is fucking abysmal, & that isn't just because it's hard to keep a jury focused, & get a result, but also because the people who're likely to end up in the dock on such cases, are also the ones who control the resources.

Exactly. People have zero comprehension of the difficulties involved in resourcing and carrying out an investigation of this scale, across nearly every force area in the country where the actual individual incidents are not in themselves large scale issues. It would take dozens, potentially hundreds of officers to carry it out quickly and efficiently so where do those officers come from. What other crimes do people suggest get dropped.
Fraud and internet crime has always been notoriously under resourced and until there is massive investment in law enforcement resources that will not change.

I'm not saying the publicity is bad but as usual some peoples reactions are verging on the hysterical and misdirected.

[ASMO]

In that time they have apparently interviewed two people.

If the TV programme makes them do actual work then that's progress.

This is where you need an FBI that owns every crime that crosses a jurisdiction, & not just if it's in a particular category of crime, like the NCA.

Right now you have a crime that occurred across dozens of forces, & is, as such, a major crime, & should be investigated with the same focus & resources as people trafficking, or drug dealing, or whatever. Instead it gets the half arsed approach that pretty much guarantees there'll never be any court cases, let alone convictions, which satisfies all the 1% that are in the frame.

If you had a properly resourced NCA it might be different, but fraud isn't sexy, & the conviction rate on white collar crime is fucking abysmal, & that isn't just because it's hard to keep a jury focused, & get a result, but also because the people who're likely to end up in the dock on such cases, are also the ones who control the resources.

Exactly. People have zero comprehension of the difficulties involved in resourcing and carrying out an investigation of this scale, across nearly every force area in the country where the actual individual incidents are not in themselves large scale issues. It would take dozens, potentially hundreds of officers to carry it out quickly and efficiently so where do those officers come from. What other crimes do people suggest get dropped.
Fraud and internet crime has always been notoriously under resourced and until there is massive investment in law enforcement resources that will not change.

I'm not saying the publicity is bad but as usual some peoples reactions are verging on the hysterical and misdirected.

Especially when the terms of reference for the investigation is to "not find anything incriminating"

[dpedin]

Re the Post Office scandal - surely the Horizon system has now been proven to be completely unreliable and spews out completely untrustworthy data. If this was a human witness who was later found to be unreliable and there was little/no other evidence to corroborate their evidence then all the cases which came to a guilt finding based on their evidence would be found to be unreliable and over turned? Does the same not apply to the Horizon system - if the prosecutions were based almost entirely upon flawed evidence churned out from a proven unreliable computer system which was known to be unreliable by the PO itself, then they should all be immediately over turned and all these convictions should be quashed. If it takes an act of parliament to do so, and I understand the concerns about doing this, the I support this as an immediate action to be undertaken.

Also there must be significant evidence, in fact there is, of Post Office and Fujistu staff, including senior managers up to CEO level, suppressing evidence from the courts, committing perjury and in doing so perverting the course of justice. The PO CEO Vennels, and others, is also on record of misleading a Parliamentary Select Committee which in itself is a crime and they should be recalled to present their evidence and do so under oath - if they still lie then this is perjury. We need those responsible, which I know will be a difficult process but here are already a number of PO and Fujitsu whistle blowers, to be held fully to account and criminally prosecuted. This will scare the shit out of the Tory party given the numerous links between them and Fujitsu and the PO but it has to happen to restore public confidence.

What will actually happen next? The Gov will wring hands, cry foul and target a fall guy, probably Vennels. They will also let the furore die down, wait for the next dead cat story to distract the publics attention and then let it slowly wither on the vine ... a bit like they did with Grenfell. Bastards every one of them.

[Blackmac]

This is where you need an FBI that owns every crime that crosses a jurisdiction, & not just if it's in a particular category of crime, like the NCA.

Right now you have a crime that occurred across dozens of forces, & is, as such, a major crime, & should be investigated with the same focus & resources as people trafficking, or drug dealing, or whatever. Instead it gets the half arsed approach that pretty much guarantees there'll never be any court cases, let alone convictions, which satisfies all the 1% that are in the frame.

If you had a properly resourced NCA it might be different, but fraud isn't sexy, & the conviction rate on white collar crime is fucking abysmal, & that isn't just because it's hard to keep a jury focused, & get a result, but also because the people who're likely to end up in the dock on such cases, are also the ones who control the resources.

Exactly. People have zero comprehension of the difficulties involved in resourcing and carrying out an investigation of this scale, across nearly every force area in the country where the actual individual incidents are not in themselves large scale issues. It would take dozens, potentially hundreds of officers to carry it out quickly and efficiently so where do those officers come from. What other crimes do people suggest get dropped.
Fraud and internet crime has always been notoriously under resourced and until there is massive investment in law enforcement resources that will not change.

I'm not saying the publicity is bad but as usual some peoples reactions are verging on the hysterical and misdirected.

Especially when the terms of reference for the investigation is to "not find anything incriminating"

Proving specific individual crimes is going to be extremely difficult, especially in relation to fraud as there are so many different entities involved and finding the smoking gun evidence that the Post Office with the aid of Fujitsu intended to defraud is unlikely. I would imagine the enquire will look more at things like Malfeasance in Public Office and Malicious Prosecution.

[inactionman]

Re the Post Office scandal - surely the Horizon system has now been proven to be completely unreliable and spews out completely untrustworthy data. If this was a human witness who was later found to be unreliable and there was little/no other evidence to corroborate their evidence then all the cases which came to a guilt finding based on their evidence would be found to be unreliable and over turned? Does the same not apply to the Horizon system - if the prosecutions were based almost entirely upon flawed evidence churned out from a proven unreliable computer system which was known to be unreliable by the PO itself, then they should all be immediately over turned and all these convictions should be quashed. If it takes an act of parliament to do so, and I understand the concerns about doing this, the I support this as an immediate action to be undertaken.

Also there must be significant evidence, in fact there is, of Post Office and Fujistu staff, including senior managers up to CEO level, suppressing evidence from the courts, committing perjury and in doing so perverting the course of justice. The PO CEO Vennels, and others, is also on record of misleading a Parliamentary Select Committee which in itself is a crime and they should be recalled to present their evidence and do so under oath - if they still lie then this is perjury. We need those responsible, which I know will be a difficult process but here are already a number of PO and Fujitsu whistle blowers, to be held fully to account and criminally prosecuted. This will scare the shit out of the Tory party given the numerous links between them and Fujitsu and the PO but it has to happen to restore public confidence.

What will actually happen next? The Gov will wring hands, cry foul and target a fall guy, probably Vennels. They will also let the furore die down, wait for the next dead cat story to distract the publics attention and then let it slowly wither on the vine ... a bit like they did with Grenfell. Bastards every one of them.

A small footnote in the grand scheme of things, but the 38 degrees campaigning group have hit a million signatures for a petition to remove Vennells' CBE - this will, I gather, be presented to the Forfeiture Committee which may or may not add a bit more weight to any deliberations they may make It looks like they're shooting for 1,100,000 signatures, which they're not that far shy of.

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/ ... e=homepage



Disgraceful that it's taken this long, but it seems the TV programme has really lit a fire under the general public. I just hope she's not allowed to brazen this out whilst public attention turns to the next outrage.

Priority, of course, should be on trying to repair the grievous damage done to the sub post masters, and Vennells et al really needed to be investigated for criminal negligence, not just have honours removed.

[inactionman]

Exactly. People have zero comprehension of the difficulties involved in resourcing and carrying out an investigation of this scale, across nearly every force area in the country where the actual individual incidents are not in themselves large scale issues. It would take dozens, potentially hundreds of officers to carry it out quickly and efficiently so where do those officers come from. What other crimes do people suggest get dropped.
Fraud and internet crime has always been notoriously under resourced and until there is massive investment in law enforcement resources that will not change.

I'm not saying the publicity is bad but as usual some peoples reactions are verging on the hysterical and misdirected.

Especially when the terms of reference for the investigation is to "not find anything incriminating"

Proving specific individual crimes is going to be extremely difficult, especially in relation to fraud as there are so many different entities involved and finding the smoking gun evidence that the Post Office with the aid of Fujitsu intended to defraud is unlikely. I would imagine the enquire will look more at things like Malfeasance in Public Office and Malicious Prosecution.

Would there be any mileage in negligence, which can be criminal?

(I'm thinking back to engineering undergrad days where the only law we studied was on negligence, which made clear that you don't have to cause the problem, just facilitate it by not being professionally diligent. I slept through most of it so details are hazy)

[ASMO]

Exactly. People have zero comprehension of the difficulties involved in resourcing and carrying out an investigation of this scale, across nearly every force area in the country where the actual individual incidents are not in themselves large scale issues. It would take dozens, potentially hundreds of officers to carry it out quickly and efficiently so where do those officers come from. What other crimes do people suggest get dropped.
Fraud and internet crime has always been notoriously under resourced and until there is massive investment in law enforcement resources that will not change.

I'm not saying the publicity is bad but as usual some peoples reactions are verging on the hysterical and misdirected.

Especially when the terms of reference for the investigation is to "not find anything incriminating"

Proving specific individual crimes is going to be extremely difficult, especially in relation to fraud as there are so many different entities involved and finding the smoking gun evidence that the Post Office with the aid of Fujitsu intended to defraud is unlikely. I would imagine the enquire will look more at things like Malfeasance in Public Office and Malicious Prosecution.

Deliberately withholding information that resulted in harm being caused is absolutely Fraud

[Biffer]

Given this is a 'Things that don't deserve their own thread' thread, and the Post Office Scandal has it's own thread, should we move discussion there?

[Blackmac]

Especially when the terms of reference for the investigation is to "not find anything incriminating"

Proving specific individual crimes is going to be extremely difficult, especially in relation to fraud as there are so many different entities involved and finding the smoking gun evidence that the Post Office with the aid of Fujitsu intended to defraud is unlikely. I would imagine the enquire will look more at things like Malfeasance in Public Office and Malicious Prosecution.

Deliberately withholding information that resulted in harm being caused is absolutely Fraud

As I said though, extremely difficult to prove when you are talking about hundreds of cases, which is why I think they will look at other options similar to what I have mentioned.

[Blackmac]

Especially when the terms of reference for the investigation is to "not find anything incriminating"

Proving specific individual crimes is going to be extremely difficult, especially in relation to fraud as there are so many different entities involved and finding the smoking gun evidence that the Post Office with the aid of Fujitsu intended to defraud is unlikely. I would imagine the enquire will look more at things like Malfeasance in Public Office and Malicious Prosecution.

Would there be any mileage in negligence, which can be criminal?

(I'm thinking back to engineering undergrad days where the only law we studied was on negligence, which made clear that you don't have to cause the problem, just facilitate it by not being professionally diligent. I slept through most of it so details are hazy)

I think this is more than negligence. It's quite deliberate malfeasance or abuse of power.

[sockwithaticket]

How frequently do you weigh yourself?

I had to do so recently and realised I couldn't remember when I last had. At least a decade and whenever that was I was 62kg. Since then I've put on 20(!) which at my height puts me at overweight on the BMI and slightly closer in that banding to obese than healthy weight. I stay relatively active, but don't perceive myself to be particularly muscle-bound and nor am I exactly bursting the seams of my 32 waist trousers, so that came as something of a surprise.

[TB63]

I stopped weighing myself when I couldn't read the display..

[Niegs]

Figured these were both Boredies... so, fess up!

[TB63]

[Uncle fester]

Am old enough to remember that being on telly.

[Hal Jordan]

A UK style FBI would allow the writers of cop dramas to have their characters able to cut through procedure and tension by having the gritty, maverick, possibly mentally ill and borderline alcoholic Detective Inspector say to the by the book, obstructive Chief Inspector, "Look out there!" <points out of interior window to serious looking men in suits sitting in the corner of the office> "The Feds are just itching for an excuse to take over! Help me crack this case!"

[Niegs]

[BnM]

How have I never seen this majesty before.

[BnM]

And another

[Flockwitt]

Wasn't really sure where to post this. What she's talking about is interesting, for the deep space nerds, and so is she, for any umm nerd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV9BHDvBi-0

[Uncle fester]

Wasn't really sure where to post this. What she's talking about is interesting, for the deep space nerds, and so is she, for any umm nerd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV9BHDvBi-0

Think we have a general science thread I think. Reddit's explainlikeimfive is brilliant is a semi-related fashion.

[fishfoodie]

I was expecting the first reply to be from Yeeb, saying how it wasn't the first billion light year diameter firey ring he'd seen