Six Nations Round 2: England vs. Wales

[Guy Smiley]

Wasn't the England player running towards the ball rather than running a blocking line? Sure you'd get pinged for simply blocking, but if you've got the defence you were running towards the ball maybe not so much. I don't doubt for a moment he knew he was blocking, but you're not obliged to get out of the way of someone trying to jump over you when you're otherwise legal

Awful game mind, just awful. And yet sadly also an as expected.

Unless there's been a change in directions on this, the onus is on the defending player to ensure they don't endanger the attacking player... so regardless of intent, contact with a player in the air is a sanction.

So you're running towards the ball, someone runs from behind you but faster tries to jump over you and tumbles and that's on you?

I'd say yes if you were simply running a blocking line, but to say to a defender you can't run towards the ball because someone is approaching you from behind can't be what's intended.

That's a specifically warped scenario that hasn't been tested, to my knowledge...but the same principle applies. If you're running into a contact zone you have to ensure you don't place the other player at risk. In your case, the roles might be seen to be reversed and the attacking player, in leaping over the defender places both of them at risk. I dunno...

when this direction was first applied, I felt it placed an unfair burden on defenders who could be caught out through having eyes on the ball and not seeing another player. It doesn't matter... players are required to act in a safe manner. Simply put, no contact with players in the air.

[Uncle fester]

The final non decision of the game was inexplicable to me. Dyer was in the air and got shouldered into touch... surely, that's a penalty at least, it was deliberate with no mitigation.

Wasn't the England player running towards the ball rather than running a blocking line? Sure you'd get pinged for simply blocking, but if you've got the defence you were running towards the ball maybe not so much. I don't doubt for a moment he knew he was blocking, but you're not obliged to get out of the way of someone trying to jump over you when you're otherwise legal

Awful game mind, just awful. And yet sadly also an as expected.

Unless there's been a change in directions on this, the onus is on the defending player to ensure they don't endanger the attacking player... so regardless of intent, contact with a player in the air is a sanction.

Player higher in the air gets the Protection which I don't agree with.

[JM2K6]

Ford neither challenged for the ball nor tried to avoid the collision. He just ran into the space and blocked the player in the air. Stone cold penalty.

[tc27]

Can't be arsed to trawl back through the thread but thought Roots had a good game.
I mean maybe he did loads of shite things but he seemed to be making yards into heavy cover and tackling well.

Yes that was a penalty at the end too.

[ASMO]

I wonder if the RFU have taken a leaf out of the Imperial Romans book by employing a flunkie to walk behind Borethick whispering in his ear " thou art a fantastic coach, England are really making huge strides forwards, they are a top 3 side, don't listen to the critics". There can be no other reason for the shit that spews out of his mouth at press interviews.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Unless there's been a change in directions on this, the onus is on the defending player to ensure they don't endanger the attacking player... so regardless of intent, contact with a player in the air is a sanction.

So you're running towards the ball, someone runs from behind you but faster tries to jump over you and tumbles and that's on you?

I'd say yes if you were simply running a blocking line, but to say to a defender you can't run towards the ball because someone is approaching you from behind can't be what's intended.

That's a specifically warped scenario that hasn't been tested, to my knowledge...but the same principle applies. If you're running into a contact zone you have to ensure you don't place the other player at risk. In your case, the roles might be seen to be reversed and the attacking player, in leaping over the defender places both of them at risk. I dunno...

when this direction was first applied, I felt it placed an unfair burden on defenders who could be caught out through having eyes on the ball and not seeing another player. It doesn't matter... players are required to act in a safe manner. Simply put, no contact with players in the air.

Nope, not buying that. Ford is turning his back on Dyer before Dyer jumps.

I don't think Ford is doing much beyond blocking and hoping to shepherd the ball into touch, but the law cannot intend you be held responsible for what people do behind your back. And here Ford isn't only blocking, he's also reasonably enough moving towards the ball.

Dyer chose to jump, that's on him, a Dyer moment in a dire game

[C69]

So you're running towards the ball, someone runs from behind you but faster tries to jump over you and tumbles and that's on you?

I'd say yes if you were simply running a blocking line, but to say to a defender you can't run towards the ball because someone is approaching you from behind can't be what's intended.

That's a specifically warped scenario that hasn't been tested, to my knowledge...but the same principle applies. If you're running into a contact zone you have to ensure you don't place the other player at risk. In your case, the roles might be seen to be reversed and the attacking player, in leaping over the defender places both of them at risk. I dunno...

when this direction was first applied, I felt it placed an unfair burden on defenders who could be caught out through having eyes on the ball and not seeing another player. It doesn't matter... players are required to act in a safe manner. Simply put, no contact with players in the air.

Nope, not buying that. Ford is turning his back on Dyer before Dyer jumps.

I don't think Ford is doing much beyond blocking and hoping to shepherd the ball into touch, but the law cannot intend you be held responsible for what people do behind your back. And here Ford isn't only blocking, he's also reasonably enough moving towards the ball.

Dyer chose to jump, that's on him, a Dyer moment in a dire game

It reallt doesn't nmatter the better team won and that pen would have meant nothing.
England are a much better team and should have won comfortably

[Openside]

Unless there's been a change in directions on this, the onus is on the defending player to ensure they don't endanger the attacking player... so regardless of intent, contact with a player in the air is a sanction.

So you're running towards the ball, someone runs from behind you but faster tries to jump over you and tumbles and that's on you?

I'd say yes if you were simply running a blocking line, but to say to a defender you can't run towards the ball because someone is approaching you from behind can't be what's intended.

That's a specifically warped scenario that hasn't been tested, to my knowledge...but the same principle applies. If you're running into a contact zone you have to ensure you don't place the other player at risk. In your case, the roles might be seen to be reversed and the attacking player, in leaping over the defender places both of them at risk. I dunno...

when this direction was first applied, I felt it placed an unfair burden on defenders who could be caught out through having eyes on the ball and not seeing another player. It doesn't matter... players are required to act in a safe manner. Simply put, no contact with players in the air.

They need to ban jumping for the ball, if they are serious about preventing injury why make the contest for the ball in mid air it makes it inherently more dangerous. We either need to get rid of the scrum or at leat scrum penalties they are a scourge on the game and practically the main source of points. Dull dull and erm dull!

[Guy Smiley]

Nope, not buying that. Ford is turning his back on Dyer before Dyer jumps.

I don't think Ford is doing much beyond blocking and hoping to shepherd the ball into touch, but the law cannot intend you be held responsible for what people do behind your back. And here Ford isn't only blocking, he's also reasonably enough moving towards the ball.

Dyer chose to jump, that's on him, a Dyer moment in a dire game

Ok. Good luck living in the past.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

I wonder if the RFU have taken a leaf out of the Imperial Romans book by employing a flunkie to walk behind Borethick whispering in his ear " thou art a fantastic coach, England are really making huge strides forwards, they are a top 3 side, don't listen to the critics". There can be no other reason for the shit that spews out of his mouth at press interviews.

I remember a post match interview when he was captain after another poor loss when he said 'we played some fantastic stuff out there'

Guscott said 'his mind has played a game that his body hasn't'

[Ymx]

I wonder if the RFU have taken a leaf out of the Imperial Romans book by employing a flunkie to walk behind Borethick whispering in his ear " thou art a fantastic coach, England are really making huge strides forwards, they are a top 3 side, don't listen to the critics". There can be no other reason for the shit that spews out of his mouth at press interviews.

I remember a post match interview when he was captain after another poor loss when he said 'we played some fantastic stuff out there'

Guscott said 'his mind has played a game that his body hasn't'

Is that real ??

If so, that’s award worthy.

[SaintK]

is this for real?

[Raggs]

is this for real?

Seriously?

[SaintK]

is this for real?

Seriously?

Thst's got to be Photoshopped?

[Raggs]

is this for real?

Seriously?

Thst's got to be Photoshopped?

Yes, obviously.

[SaintK]

Seriously?

Thst's got to be Photoshopped?

Yes, obviously.

Quite

[ASMO]

Thst's got to be Photoshopped?

Yes, obviously.

Quite

It's quite well done, they even took into consideration the eyelines of the other players all looking in the right place.

[JM2K6]

Slade's right hand looks a mess...

[sockwithaticket]

That's just how some folk are in the West Country.

[ASMO]

Slade's right hand looks a mess...

that answers a lot of questions then.