Kicking off in Israel

[Ymx]

[Hugo]

YMX, that stuff was handbags. In the big scheme of things a scuffle on a March in London is a nothing burger.

By all means be outraged about it but it seems a waste of time.

[Ymx]

The scuffle itself was minor, of course. but it’s the key underlying issues with the incident which are actually fundamentally terrifying.

There are many protestors who this banner is offending. This guy is exposing them week after week. I believe the guy who attacked him said that Hamas were freedom fighters or similar. I’ll try and dig it out. I’m sure it was first hand account.

The met police are ignoring support of terrorist organisations (Hamas and Houthis) and instead attacking someone who simply had the message “Hamas are Terrorists”. And destroying his sign.

It’s fvcking dire.

[Guy Smiley]

It kinda pales a little compared to the wholesale bombing of women and children though, to be fair.

[C69]

The scuffle itself was minor, of course. but it’s the key underlying issues with the incident which are actually fundamentally terrifying.

There are many protestors who this banner is offending. This guy is exposing them week after week. I believe the guy who attacked him said that Hamas were freedom fighters or similar. I’ll try and dig it out. I’m sure it was first hand account.

The met police are ignoring support of terrorist organisations (Hamas and Houthis) and instead attacking someone who simply had the message “Hamas are Terrorists”. And destroying his sign.

It’s fvcking dire.

30 000 deaths and your outrage is?

[Tilly Orifice]

31 470 on Saturday, according to al Jazeera. It's worth noting that it goes up every day, while YMX agonises about scuffles in the streets of London.

[Guy Smiley]

31 470 on Saturday, according to al Jazeera. It's worth noting that it goes up every day, while YMX agonises about scuffles in the streets of London.

He's got a culture war to tend to, ain't got no time for an actual conflict. Especially one that paints his chosen side as an active war criminal.

[Calculon]

The scuffle itself was minor, of course. but it’s the key underlying issues with the incident which are actually fundamentally terrifying.

There are many protestors who this banner is offending. This guy is exposing them week after week. I believe the guy who attacked him said that Hamas were freedom fighters or similar. I’ll try and dig it out. I’m sure it was first hand account.

The met police are ignoring support of terrorist organisations (Hamas and Houthis) and instead attacking someone who simply had the message “Hamas are Terrorists”. And destroying his sign.

It’s fvcking dire.

These protest marches seem to be mainly composed of Hamas and Houthi supporting Islamist and far left antisemites (very often supporters of Jeremy Corbyn) obsessed with Israel. When they attack others about not caring that women and children are dying it’s useful to bear that in mind.

While the Met are awful and clearly should not have rough-housed this guy they might well have saved his life. At an earlier march an anti-Hamas protester was stabbed, fortunately that guy survived. You can also hardly blame the police for being scared of these pro-palestine protestors, they can easily cause utter chaos

[Ymx]

31 470 on Saturday, according to al Jazeera. It's worth noting that it goes up every day, while YMX agonises about scuffles in the streets of London.

That is a foreign conflict and a war zone. London is not.

This country is not at war, and terrorist supporters need to be policed as such. The utter uselessness and bias shown by the met is disgusting and very disturbing. These Islamists are increasingly brazenly shouting support for terrorists and for the destruction of Israel/Jews.

You can’t legitimise this.

[Tilly Orifice]

31 470 on Saturday, according to al Jazeera. It's worth noting that it goes up every day, while YMX agonises about scuffles in the streets of London.

That is a foreign conflict and a war zone. London is not.

This country is not at war, and terrorist supporters need to be policed as such. The utter uselessness and bias shown by the met is disgusting and very disturbing. These Islamists are increasingly brazenly shouting support for terrorists and for the destruction of Israel/Jews.

You can’t legitimise this.

Looks foreign to me.

[I like neeps]

I don't think YMX is trolling tbh, he is just not very well informed about anything. He is not really very bright so I think boredies should give home a break.
His reactionary, some may say far right links from twitter etc somewhat make him a target.
Cut him some slack if he stops spewing bile from extremists.

He is a troll, you can't talk about Israel daily for 6 months and not know what Netanyahu looks like if you have a genuine feeling for the country and their conflict.

I do also think he has a sincere dislike of Muslims as apart from the odd All Blacks thread he spends his time on the Israel thread and the dinghy thread talking about them in a uniformly negative manner.

But first and foremost he's a troll, see his set up and then immediate performative outrage when someone posted a picture of Lavrov. Not realising, somehow, it wasn't the leader of the country he's been talking about for six months.

[Guy Smiley]

One man's anti Semite is another's Islamophobe.

[Ymx]

31 470 on Saturday, according to al Jazeera. It's worth noting that it goes up every day, while YMX agonises about scuffles in the streets of London.

That is a foreign conflict and a war zone. London is not.

This country is not at war, and terrorist supporters need to be policed as such. The utter uselessness and bias shown by the met is disgusting and very disturbing. These Islamists are increasingly brazenly shouting support for terrorists and for the destruction of Israel/Jews.

You can’t legitimise this.

Looks foreign to me.

I see.

[Ymx]

I don't think YMX is trolling tbh, he is just not very well informed about anything. He is not really very bright so I think boredies should give home a break.
His reactionary, some may say far right links from twitter etc somewhat make him a target.
Cut him some slack if he stops spewing bile from extremists.

He is a troll, you can't talk about Israel daily for 6 months and not know what Netanyahu looks like if you have a genuine feeling for the country and their conflict.

I do also think he has a sincere dislike of Muslims as apart from the odd All Blacks thread he spends his time on the Israel thread and the dinghy thread talking about them in a uniformly negative manner.

But first and foremost he's a troll, see his set up and then immediate performative outrage when someone posted a picture of Lavrov. Not realising, somehow, it wasn't the leader of the country he's been talking about for six months.

Oh my god. I ballsed up on a photo, and owned it. And you’re calling me a troll. Jesus H Christ. Is that really to be the extent of your contributions!

[Uncle fester]

But Hamas
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68513408

[Sandstorm]

It's time for everyone to go home and be nice.

[Ymx]

But Hamas

[Tichtheid]

This is from Wiki

Visegrád 24 is an advertising agency account on X (formerly Twitter) that publishes information related to the current events, including the Russian invasion of Ukraine as well as the Israel–Hamas war.[1] One of its founders was Polish content creator and advertiser Stefan Tompson.[2][3]


Misinformation
In 2022 and 2023, Polish media outlet OKO.press and Visegrad Insight published, respectively, that Visegrád 24 was a propaganda and misinformation hub funded by the Polish government.[3][10][better source needed]

Israel–Hamas war

In October 2023, the University of Washington's Center for an Informed Public stated that Visegrád 24 was primarily posting emotionally-charged content, with some posts using divisive imagery and "culture war" framing. They noted, "While traditional news does at times use such imagery as well, the sheer volume of these tweets, combined with the lack of deeper analysis or context mentioned above, created for our analysts the sense of a constant stream of decontextualized anger and violence when analyzing these accounts."[6]
Visegrád 24 posted a CNN clip that claimed babies had been decapitated by Hamas during their initial attack on Israel. CNN later issued two corrections; the Center for an Informed Public noted they could not find any corrections by Visegrád 24 about the rumour.[6]
In November 2023, Bloomberg News found that Visegrád 24 was one of the influencers that went viral by posting misinformation since the start of the war, citing an instance where Visegrád 24 claimed without evidence that the Taliban had asked the Iranian, Iraqi and Jordanian governments for passage to join with Hamas.[8]
In December 2023, Visegrád 24 posted a video clip on X from 2015 of a man who shouted at Israeli soldiers before falling. In the post, Visegrád 24 posed the question, "What is going on here? Is Pallyywood [sic] in action?", in reference to Pallywood, a conspiracy theory that claims Palestinians are faking civilian casualties.[15]
On 9 March 2024, Visegrád 24 claimed Israel had defeated Hamas and won the siege of Khan Yunis.[16] However, this was disputed by the Institute for the Study of War, who also published on 9 March that Hamas “remains combat effective” in Khan Yunis.[17]

I don't know what is true or not true in any of this, but I'd be wary of sources which have a reputation for spreading misinformation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visegrád_24

[Hugo]

. This country is not at war

True but Israel does buy British weapons and the government has not suspended selling them despite what we are seeing on TV.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re ... ms%20trade.

Continuing to sell Israel weapons that are killing civilians is a appalling and a stain on this countries reputation so British people have the right to make their objections heard.

[Tilly Orifice]

But Hamas

How many other people have to be burnt before she comes back to life?

[Calculon]

This is from Wiki

Visegrád 24 is an advertising agency account on X (formerly Twitter) that publishes information related to the current events, including the Russian invasion of Ukraine as well as the Israel–Hamas war.[1] One of its founders was Polish content creator and advertiser Stefan Tompson.[2][3]


Misinformation
In 2022 and 2023, Polish media outlet OKO.press and Visegrad Insight published, respectively, that Visegrád 24 was a propaganda and misinformation hub funded by
In December 2023, Visegrád 24 posted a video clip on X from 2015 of a man who shouted at Israeli soldiers before falling. In the post, Visegrád 24 posed the question, "What is going on here? Is Pallyywood [sic] in action?", in reference to Pallywood, a conspiracy theory that claims Palestinians are faking civilian casualties.[15]

I don't know what is true or not true in any of this, but I'd be wary of sources which have a reputation for spreading misinformation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visegrád_24

Always ready to defend Hamas, aren’t you. It’s a fact that she was murdered by Hamas, the exact manner I’m not sure - raped, tortured, burned alive - despite your seeming inability to believe it, it has been well documented that Hamas have employed all these methods.

You have a go at YMX for quoting an Israeli government official, despite what that official giving factually correct information. When the BBC post fake stories about Israeli bombing hospitals or targeting Palestinian medical staff you unsurprising stay silent. Now in trying to discredit this source you post this

Misinformation
In December 2023, Visegrád 24 posted a video clip on X from 2015 of a man who shouted at Israeli soldiers before falling. In the post, Visegrád 24 posed the question, "What is going on here? Is Pallyywood [sic] in action?", in reference to Pallywood, a conspiracy theory that claims Palestinians are faking civilian casualties.[15]

If you really don’t believe Palestinians have been faking deaths you might has well join these pro Hamas marches taking place. Just admit it that you have a problem with anything posted from a source that disagrees with your pro Hamas and anti-Israeli POV.

[Guy Smiley]

Face it, you and YMX are nothing more than cuckshills for the Israelis...

you're incapable of discussion. You spring to the defence of the IDF and Israeli govt as a reflex... and the logic failure here is hilarious,

It’s a fact that she was murdered by Hamas, the exact manner I’m not sure - raped, tortured, burned alive - despite your seeming inability to believe it, it has been well documented that Hamas have employed all these methods.

You have a go at YMX for quoting an Israeli government official, despite what that official giving factually correct information

you admit the quoted post is inaccurate, then squeal that the quoted post is factual.

You're an emotional mess.

[Ymx]

Face it, you and YMX are nothing more than cuckshills for the Israelis...

you're incapable of discussion. You spring to the defence of the IDF and Israeli govt as a reflex... and the logic failure here is hilarious,

It’s a fact that she was murdered by Hamas, the exact manner I’m not sure - raped, tortured, burned alive - despite your seeming inability to believe it, it has been well documented that Hamas have employed all these methods.

You have a go at YMX for quoting an Israeli government official, despite what that official giving factually correct information

you admit the quoted post is inaccurate, then squeal that the quoted post is factual.

You're an emotional mess.

Did you even read what he said before you wrote this dribble ?

Because it appears you haven’t.

[Ymx]

Meanwhile, Tichtheid (our BBC verify) quite happily allows the flow of unverified women and children casualty numbers to be posted.

[Tichtheid]

This is from Wiki

Visegrád 24 is an advertising agency account on X (formerly Twitter) that publishes information related to the current events, including the Russian invasion of Ukraine as well as the Israel–Hamas war.[1] One of its founders was Polish content creator and advertiser Stefan Tompson.[2][3]


Misinformation
In 2022 and 2023, Polish media outlet OKO.press and Visegrad Insight published, respectively, that Visegrád 24 was a propaganda and misinformation hub funded by
In December 2023, Visegrád 24 posted a video clip on X from 2015 of a man who shouted at Israeli soldiers before falling. In the post, Visegrád 24 posed the question, "What is going on here? Is Pallyywood [sic] in action?", in reference to Pallywood, a conspiracy theory that claims Palestinians are faking civilian casualties.[15]

I don't know what is true or not true in any of this, but I'd be wary of sources which have a reputation for spreading misinformation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visegrád_24

Always ready to defend Hamas, aren’t you.

Show me one post or one sentence where I've "defended" Hamas on this or any other thread.

[Tichtheid]

Meanwhile, Tichtheid (our BBC verify) quite happily allows the flow of unverified women and children casualty numbers to be posted.

You continue to miss the point.

Do you hear whooshing sound quite a lot?

[Kiwias]

This thread is starting to (has already?) resemble one on PR.

[Ymx]

Meanwhile, Tichtheid (our BBC verify) quite happily allows the flow of unverified women and children casualty numbers to be posted.

You continue to miss the point.

Do you hear whooshing sound quite a lot?

If that point is of attempting to discredit/verify only information on one side - then no it’s been pretty clear.

Would you mind finding your posts which have discredited the other side. Or are you suggesting the references have always been impeccable on the Palestinian/Hamas defence ?

[Sandstorm]

This thread is starting to (has already?) resemble one on PR.

Months ago already.

[Tichtheid]

Meanwhile, Tichtheid (our BBC verify) quite happily allows the flow of unverified women and children casualty numbers to be posted.

You continue to miss the point.

Do you hear whooshing sound quite a lot?

If that point is of attempting to discredit/verify only information on one side - then no it’s been pretty clear.

Would you mind finding your posts which have discredited the other side. Or are you suggesting the references have always been impeccable on the Palestinian/Hamas defence ?

Ok, I'll spell it out since the point has been totally missed.

You don't like the BBC, despite it being held as one of the most trustworthy news sources in the world, like all new agencies they make mistakes but they are still held as unbiased and trustworthy across the world. It's your prerogative to dismiss the BBC, of course it is, but then why not use AP or Reuters or something of that ilk?

If you use a source which is known to be deliberately spreading misinformation without retraction then nothing you post can be believed, nothing. Certainly not when you use a source that was created by an Israeli secret service agent. It's almost the Boy Who Cried Wolf, if there is an article there which is true it is rendered meaningless because of the other lies and disinformation.

Everyone knows who and what the BBC are, not everyone knows who Visegrad 24 is or that MEMRI, which you've used as a source several times is (from Wiki)

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), officially the Middle East Media and Research Institute,[1] is an American non-profit press monitoring and analysis organization that was co-founded by Israeli ex-intelligence officer Yigal Carmon and Israeli-American political scientist Meyrav Wurmser in 1997.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ea ... srael_bias

[Ymx]

Whilst the BBC did make themselves a global laughing stock in the early days of the conflict. There have been tens if not hundreds of bbc articles posted here which I’ve not felt compelled to discredit, in the way you do consistently.

You seem to have appointed yourself as independent source verification. If you find a slight stain or anything on the source, you leap on it, in an attempt to discredit anything and everything which purports to either show Hamas as barbaric terrorists, or that shows the iDF in any good light.

And it’s only ever in the one direction. Check your reflection.

You “allow” casualty numbers to be bandied about from which we know are numbers which have ultimately come from Hamas. Yet are post by post dropped here, and without ever any breakdown as to which are Hamas terrorists, or resistance fighter as some here might call them.

So V24 we should dismiss, but those with underlying source of Hamas are fine.

So forgive me if I don’t seek your approval when posting.

[Sandstorm]

Whilst the BBC did make themselves a global laughing stock in the early days of the conflict. There have been tens if not hundreds of bbc articles posted here which I’ve not felt compelled to discredit, in the way you do consistently.

You seem to have appointed yourself as independent source verification. If you find a slight stain or anything on the source, you leap on it, in an attempt to discredit anything and everything which purports to either show Hamas as barbaric terrorists, or that shows the iDF in any good light.

And it’s only ever in the one direction. Check your reflection.

You “allow” casualty numbers to be bandied about from which we know are numbers which have ultimately come from Hamas. Yet are post by post dropped here, and without ever any breakdown as to which are Hamas terrorists, or resistance fighter as some here might call them.

So V24 we should dismiss, but those with underlying source of Hamas are fine.

So forgive me if I don’t seek your approval when posting.

Does it matter if 25000 or 35000 civilians have been killed in Gaza? Or if this week's count is 50 or 1000? We know for sure the number isn't going down.

Regardless who reports it, it's still a gross tragedy and we should all be shouting at Israel to fuck their tanks back to Tel Aviv immediately!

[Tichtheid]

Whilst the BBC did make themselves a global laughing stock in the early days of the conflict. There have been tens if not hundreds of bbc articles posted here which I’ve not felt compelled to discredit, in the way you do consistently.

You seem to have appointed yourself as independent source verification. If you find a slight stain or anything on the source, you leap on it, in an attempt to discredit anything and everything which purports to either show Hamas as barbaric terrorists, or that shows the iDF in any good light.

And it’s only ever in the one direction. Check your reflection.

You “allow” casualty numbers to be bandied about from which we know are numbers which have ultimately come from Hamas. Yet are post by post dropped here, and without ever any breakdown as to which are Hamas terrorists, or resistance fighter as some here might call them.

So V24 we should dismiss, but those with underlying source of Hamas are fine.

So forgive me if I don’t seek your approval when posting.

I'm not asking for your approval, but you are still missing the point.


I'll write it again.

Everyone knows who and what the BBC is.

No one knows who the sources you pick up on twitter are, I spent about two minutes finding out that they have been shown to be deliberately spreading misinformation without retraction.

I'll write this again too, if you want to be taken seriously, use, for example, AP or Reuters if you think the BBC is biased.

[Tichtheid]

Whilst the BBC did make themselves a global laughing stock in the early days of the conflict. There have been tens if not hundreds of bbc articles posted here which I’ve not felt compelled to discredit, in the way you do consistently.

You seem to have appointed yourself as independent source verification. If you find a slight stain or anything on the source, you leap on it, in an attempt to discredit anything and everything which purports to either show Hamas as barbaric terrorists, or that shows the iDF in any good light.

And it’s only ever in the one direction. Check your reflection.

You “allow” casualty numbers to be bandied about from which we know are numbers which have ultimately come from Hamas. Yet are post by post dropped here, and without ever any breakdown as to which are Hamas terrorists, or resistance fighter as some here might call them.

So V24 we should dismiss, but those with underlying source of Hamas are fine.

So forgive me if I don’t seek your approval when posting.

Does it matter if 25000 or 35000 civilians have been killed in Gaza? Or if this week's count is 50 or 1000? We know for sure the number isn't going down.

Regardless who reports it, it's still a gross tragedy and we should all be shouting at Israel to fuck their tanks back to Tel Aviv immediately!

I think it's very difficult to tell how many people have been killed or how many are facing starvation or even how many are being displaced, but all of these things are happening in Gazza.

[Sandstorm]

I think it's very difficult to tell how many people have been killed or how many are facing starvation or even how many are being displaced, but all of these things are happening in Gazza.

Of course it's difficult to judge numbers, it's a war zone. People shouldn't be less abhorred by the situation in Gaza because less people reported dying yesterday or turn a blind eye because the Hamas Ministry of Information are inflating numbers. If I was running that department, I'd also do it - how else do you get the rest of the world to take notice???

"Um...yeah...a farmer near Whash fell off his tractor and broke a leg when an Israeli F16 flew passed at around 500 ft and startled him."

I don't agree with reporters making shit up, but trying to judge accurate figures in Gaza is impossible.

[Guy Smiley]

You’d be some sort of idiot to believe the figures coming out of either side in this conflict…. Because both of them are calculated lying shitbags.

[Ymx]

Whilst the BBC did make themselves a global laughing stock in the early days of the conflict. There have been tens if not hundreds of bbc articles posted here which I’ve not felt compelled to discredit, in the way you do consistently.

You seem to have appointed yourself as independent source verification. If you find a slight stain or anything on the source, you leap on it, in an attempt to discredit anything and everything which purports to either show Hamas as barbaric terrorists, or that shows the iDF in any good light.

And it’s only ever in the one direction. Check your reflection.

You “allow” casualty numbers to be bandied about from which we know are numbers which have ultimately come from Hamas. Yet are post by post dropped here, and without ever any breakdown as to which are Hamas terrorists, or resistance fighter as some here might call them.

So V24 we should dismiss, but those with underlying source of Hamas are fine.

So forgive me if I don’t seek your approval when posting.

Does it matter if 25000 or 35000 civilians have been killed in Gaza? Or if this week's count is 50 or 1000? We know for sure the number isn't going down.

Regardless who reports it, it's still a gross tragedy and we should all be shouting at Israel to fuck their tanks back to Tel Aviv immediately!

Well if 15,000 of those are Hamas or even 10,000 it is a ratio which is better than many many conflicts. Especially one where Hamas is actively hiding behind and under civilians.

So, yes it is important to see an accurate breakdown.

[Ymx]

Whilst the BBC did make themselves a global laughing stock in the early days of the conflict. There have been tens if not hundreds of bbc articles posted here which I’ve not felt compelled to discredit, in the way you do consistently.

You seem to have appointed yourself as independent source verification. If you find a slight stain or anything on the source, you leap on it, in an attempt to discredit anything and everything which purports to either show Hamas as barbaric terrorists, or that shows the iDF in any good light.

And it’s only ever in the one direction. Check your reflection.

You “allow” casualty numbers to be bandied about from which we know are numbers which have ultimately come from Hamas. Yet are post by post dropped here, and without ever any breakdown as to which are Hamas terrorists, or resistance fighter as some here might call them.

So V24 we should dismiss, but those with underlying source of Hamas are fine.

So forgive me if I don’t seek your approval when posting.

I'm not asking for your approval, but you are still missing the point.


I'll write it again.

Everyone knows who and what the BBC is.

No one knows who the sources you pick up on twitter are, I spent about two minutes finding out that they have been shown to be deliberately spreading misinformation without retraction.

I'll write this again too, if you want to be taken seriously, use, for example, AP or Reuters if you think the BBC is biased.

I’ll say it again, I’m not seeking your one-sided approval.

[Ymx]

Incidentally, the IDF are claiming 13,000 Hamas killed.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 024-03-10/

[Tichtheid]

I’ll say it again, I’m not seeking your one-sided approval.

Whoosh yet again.

Okay, but if you post obscure sources from twitter I'll continue to look up who they are, so don't come back with the outrage if I point out that their provenance and reliability is questionable.