Kicking off in Israel

[MungoMan]

yeah bUt hAmAs

If I had a hama
I'd ring it in the morning

[Guy Smiley]

yeah bUt hAmAs

If I had a hama
I'd ring it in the morning

We are both old enough, I think, to remember


'I'd like to buy the world a coke...'

[Uncle fester]

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/VrdWpanH0l

Walking while Hamas

[Tichtheid]

What a shower of bastards, all of them.

A US resolution urging a ceasefire in Gaza linked to a hostage deal has been vetoed by Russia and China in the UN security council, extending a five-month impasse in the international body over the Israel-Hamas war.

Eleven council members voted for the resolution on Friday morning; Russia, China and Algeria voted against it and Guyana abstained. As permanent security council members the Russian and Chinese votes counted as vetoes.

Before the vote, the Russian envoy to the UN, Vasily Nebenzya, pointed out that the US had vetoed four earlier resolutions demanding a ceasefire since the war started on 7 October, and noted that the US resolution did not directly demand a ceasefire but rather described it as an “imperative”.

“To save the lives of the peaceful Palestinian civilians, this is not enough,” Nebenzya said. He added that any council member voting for the resolution “will cover yourselves in disgrace”.


After the vote, the US envoy, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, said Russia and China had opposed the resolution because they could not bring themselves to support the clauses in it condemning Hamas.

“The second reason behind this veto is not just cynical, it’s also petty,” Thomas-Greenfield said. “Russia and China simply did not want to vote for a resolution that was penned by the United States because they would rather see us fail than to see this council succeed.”

Another resolution has been drafted by elected members of the council with a direct demand for a ceasefire, but Thomas-Greenfield warned that the US would veto that text if it was presented for a vote, on the grounds that it did not support negotiations underway in Doha on a deal which would establish a ceasefire in return for Hamas freeing its hostages

[Hugo]

Algeria voted against it too, would be interested to know their reasoning.

Tit for tat cos the US vetoed their ceasefire resolution last month? https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/02/1146697

[Calculon]

The state of Khan Younis after the surgical strikes of Israel.
Not targetting civilians or civilian areas at all

I wonder if they regret starting the war yet

[Ymx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/VrdWpanH0l

Walking while Hamas

TH will be over to verifying this shortly. TH verify.

Oh wait, he’s already posted since …

[Tichtheid]

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/VrdWpanH0l

Walking while Hamas

TH will be over to verifying this shortly. TH verify.

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I didn't know what the link was until I clicked through. I couldn't view the video because I was not signed in to Reddit to verify my age, I've no wish to do that or to see the sort of deaths you have been cheerleading.

Do you really want to use the deaths of four people to make an internet points jibe?

[Guy Smiley]

Do you really want to use the deaths of four people to make an internet points jibe?

Yes. Yes, they do.... these 4 and the thousands of others. It's all a point scoring exercise and that's all it has been from the beginning.

[Ymx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/VrdWpanH0l

Walking while Hamas

TH will be over to verifying this shortly. TH verify.

Oh wait, he’s already posted since …

I didn't know what the link was until I clicked through. I couldn't view the video because I was not signed in to Reddit to verify my age, I've no wish to do that or to see the sort of deaths you have been cheerleading.

Do you really want to use the deaths of four people to make an internet points jibe?

It was posted for “point scoring” by Fester the Israel hater. But don’t let that stop you

At least you are no longer pretending to be balanced anymore.

[Hugo]

Found Algeria's reasoning, according to them the wording does not protect Palestinian civilians.

Explaining his nation’s vote against the US resolution, the Algerian ambassador to the UN, Amar Bendjama, pointed to the absence of a direct demand for an immediate ceasefire.

“The text presented today does not convey a clear message of peace,” Bendjama told the council. “It is a laissez passer to continue killing the Palestinian civilians.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... -vetoed-un

[Hugo]

Hard to see how an American proposed ceasefire is going to get over the line. Russia and China are not going to allow them that diplomatic win after the US opposed others. In fact I'm sure no-one wants the US to be able to come away from this looking like the good guys.

Awful that great power politics are causing further loss of Palestinian life. They really should abolish the veto as was recently suggested by Malaysia.

[Guy Smiley]

Awful that great power politics are causing further loss of Palestinian life. They really should abolish the veto as was recently suggested by Malaysia.

Agreed... imagine how much more significant work could be done if action resulted from words, for a change.

[Hugo]

Bro..... Imagine seeing what you are seeing in Gaza and your thinking is "I can't wait until I can get my hand on some Gazan real estate.....".

I can't even see how people would be looking at this type of devastation with an opportunistic mindset.

[C69]

Bro..... Imagine seeing what you are seeing in Gaza and your thinking is "I can't wait until I can get my hand on some Gazan real estate.....".

I can't even see how people would be looking at this type of devastation with an opportunistic mindset.

Sick bastards

[Gumboot]

Bro..... Imagine seeing what you are seeing in Gaza and your thinking is "I can't wait until I can get my hand on some Gazan real estate.....".

I can't even see how people would be looking at this type of devastation with an opportunistic mindset.

“Gaza’s waterfront property could be very valuable … if people would focus on building up livelihoods... It’s a little bit of an unfortunate situation there, but from Israel’s perspective I would do my best to move the people out and then clean it up.”
- Jared Kushner

[MungoMan]

yeah bUt hAmAs

If I had a hama
I'd ring it in the morning

We are both old enough, I think, to remember


'I'd like to buy the world a coke...'

On the marble counter, please!

[C69]

Bro..... Imagine seeing what you are seeing in Gaza and your thinking is "I can't wait until I can get my hand on some Gazan real estate.....".

I can't even see how people would be looking at this type of devastation with an opportunistic mindset.

“Gaza’s waterfront property could be very valuable … if people would focus on building up livelihoods... It’s a little bit of an unfortunate situation there, but from Israel’s perspective I would do my best to move the people out and then clean it up.”
- Jared Kushner

Right wing nutters do like a bit of genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Tbh remember this is a guy who was one of the architects of the. USA's ME direction only a few years ago.

[Calculon]

She reminds me of all those Palestinians who fantasize about driving the Jews out of Israel so they can live there.


TBF, this lady's dreams are a bit more realistic.

[Tilly Orifice]

She reminds me of all those Palestinians who fantasize about driving the Jews out of Israel so they can live there.


TBF, this lady's dreams are a bit more realistic.

That's good, eh?

[Uncle fester]

She reminds me of all those Palestinians who fantasize about driving the Jews out of Israel so they can live there.


TBF, this lady's dreams are a bit more realistic.

That's good, eh?

The pro-Israel crew are inclined to throw the anti-Semitic slur around to smear anybody disgusted by Israel's actions in the occupied territories.
It's classic projection and nobody talks about the Islamaphobic folk hiding behind Israel and they are d.e.l.i.g.h.t.e.d. to see Arabs getting smashed and scrubbed off the land they've lived on for centuries.

[Kiwias]

An excellent article on NPR (widely regarded as a neutral, unbiased source of news) giving some background to the Israeli moves on the West Bank.

[Uncle fester]

Watch the hands, not the eyes.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-ap ... tate-land/

[Calculon]

She reminds me of all those Palestinians who fantasize about driving the Jews out of Israel so they can live there.


TBF, this lady's dreams are a bit more realistic.

That's good, eh?

no

[Guy Smiley]

Watch the hands, not the eyes.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-ap ... tate-land/

Self defense, you fucking anti semite.

[C69]

Dear God there is some crazy shit going on
A few of fmy daughter's friends are staunchly anti Hamas but pro Palestine.
They have been targeted on line by hard core pro settlement groups and told they will be reported for racism and and antisemitism to their college if they comment again on Israelii matters.
FFS how many bots and shillls do the Israelis have of a six form college is on The North of Englànd is on their pay roll?
Fucking loons

[laurent]

Finally some French binationals may be taken to task .

A few appear in Videos where Palestinians were clearly tortured.

Looks like they won't be coming home to France if they want to avoid a trial.

[Uncle fester]

Any articles on this laurent?

[laurent]

I'll take a look can't find the old link on here

EDIT

found it I don't have access to the full paper

https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/intern ... s-francais
Mediapart is an excellent investigation paper (only on the web).
They were headed until recently by an ex-Le Monde journalist. (Edwy Plenel)

Short story an MP has seized the justice ministry regarding a video showing a binational involved in dodgy behaviour.

[Tichtheid]

Israel will no longer approve Unrwa food aid to northern Gaza, agency says

Head of agency says military authorities told UN that convoys will no longer be approved amid ‘man-made famine’

The United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees, Unrwa, said on Sunday that Israel had definitively barred it from making aid deliveries in northern Gaza, where the threat of famine is highest.

“Despite the tragedy unfolding under our watch, the Israeli Authorities informed the UN that they will no longer approve any @Unrwa food convoys to the north,” Philippe Lazzarini, the head of the agency, said on X.

“This is outrageous & makes it intentional to obstruct lifesaving assistance during a man made famine.”

Israel did not immediately respond on Sunday to AFP’s request for comment about Lazzarini’s statement. The Unrwa spokesperson, Juliette Touma, said the decision had been relayed in a meeting with Israeli military officials on Sunday. It followed two denials in writing for convoy deliveries to the north last week.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... amine-risk

[Slick]

Got pretty annoyed with a Palestinian protest outside Barclays Bank on Princess Street on Saturday. A bunch of very aggressive students with megaphones trying to intimidate everyone going in to the branch. One ran up to an old lady of about 70 and screamed through the megaphone into her face, really upsetting her. A couple of police there did absolutely nothing, even after I went and had a word.

[Uncle fester]

Bro..... Imagine seeing what you are seeing in Gaza and your thinking is "I can't wait until I can get my hand on some Gazan real estate.....".

I can't even see how people would be looking at this type of devastation with an opportunistic mindset.

“Gaza’s waterfront property could be very valuable … if people would focus on building up livelihoods... It’s a little bit of an unfortunate situation there, but from Israel’s perspective I would do my best to move the people out and then clean it up.”
- Jared Kushner

Right wing nutters do like a bit of genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Tbh remember this is a guy who was one of the architects of the. USA's ME direction only a few years ago.

"You can call it ethnic cleansing if you like"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815

[Calculon]

Got pretty annoyed with a Palestinian protest outside Barclays Bank on Princess Street on Saturday. A bunch of very aggressive students with megaphones trying to intimidate everyone going in to the branch. One ran up to an old lady of about 70 and screamed through the megaphone into her face, really upsetting her. A couple of police there did absolutely nothing, even after I went and had a word.

maybe same students as these:

Police investigate 'attack' on poppy seller at pro-Palestinian demo in Edinburgh https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... e-67344032

Apparently the majority involved in this protest were students from Edinburgh University. My mates daughter is in her first year there and says life is almost intolerable because of it. Kids getting press ganged by threats and intimidation to sign up to financial support for Palestine, antisemitism is off the scale and Hamas flags and t-shirts being openly displayed. Anyone who doesn't fall in line is having their life made a misery. She pointed this out to one of her tutors and his advice was stay away from campus until it subsides.

[C69]

Got pretty annoyed with a Palestinian protest outside Barclays Bank on Princess Street on Saturday. A bunch of very aggressive students with megaphones trying to intimidate everyone going in to the branch. One ran up to an old lady of about 70 and screamed through the megaphone into her face, really upsetting her. A couple of police there did absolutely nothing, even after I went and had a word.

maybe same students as these:

Police investigate 'attack' on poppy seller at pro-Palestinian demo in Edinburgh https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... e-67344032

Apparently the majority involved in this protest were students from Edinburgh University. My mates daughter is in her first year there and says life is almost intolerable because of it. Kids getting press ganged by threats and intimidation to sign up to financial support for Palestine, antisemitism is off the scale and Hamas flags and t-shirts being openly displayed. Anyone who doesn't fall in line is having their life made a misery. She pointed this out to one of her tutors and his advice was stay away from campus until it subsides.

The attack was found to be false

[Calculon]

Got pretty annoyed with a Palestinian protest outside Barclays Bank on Princess Street on Saturday. A bunch of very aggressive students with megaphones trying to intimidate everyone going in to the branch. One ran up to an old lady of about 70 and screamed through the megaphone into her face, really upsetting her. A couple of police there did absolutely nothing, even after I went and had a word.

maybe same students as these:

Police investigate 'attack' on poppy seller at pro-Palestinian demo in Edinburgh https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... e-67344032

Apparently the majority involved in this protest were students from Edinburgh University. My mates daughter is in her first year there and says life is almost intolerable because of it. Kids getting press ganged by threats and intimidation to sign up to financial support for Palestine, antisemitism is off the scale and Hamas flags and t-shirts being openly displayed. Anyone who doesn't fall in line is having their life made a misery. She pointed this out to one of her tutors and his advice was stay away from campus until it subsides.

The attack was found to be false

if you say so, but irrelevant to my point

[Hugo]

“Gaza’s waterfront property could be very valuable … if people would focus on building up livelihoods... It’s a little bit of an unfortunate situation there, but from Israel’s perspective I would do my best to move the people out and then clean it up.”
- Jared Kushner

Right wing nutters do like a bit of genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Tbh remember this is a guy who was one of the architects of the. USA's ME direction only a few years ago.

"You can call it ethnic cleansing if you like"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815

The arrogance & entitlement is of epic proportions. They can go to Canada, Africa..... Telling people who are indigenous they can just piss off half way round the world.

In other news:

[Ymx]

Israel-Gaza war live: UN security council passes immediate ceasefire resolution; US ‘disappointed’ after Israel cancels visit

Netanyahu cancels high-level Israeli delegation’s visit to Washington after US abstains in UN security council vote

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... ast-latest

UNITED NATIONS/CAIRO, March 25 (Reuters) - The United Nations Security Council adopted a resolution on Monday demanding an immediate ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants Hamas after the United States abstained from the vote, sparking a spat with its ally Israel.
The remaining 14 council members voted for the resolution, which was proposed by the 10 elected members of the body. There was a round of applause in the council chamber after the vote.
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"This resolution must be implemented. Failure would be unforgivable," U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres posted on social media.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the failure of the U.S. to veto the resolution was a "clear retreat" from its previous position and would hurt Israel's war efforts and bid to release more than 130 hostages still held by Hamas.

"Our vote does not, and I repeat that does not represent a shift in our policy," White House spokesperson John Kirby told reporters. "Nothing has changed about our policy. Nothing."
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Following the U.N. vote, Netanyahu canceled a visit to Washington by a high-level delegation that was due to discuss a planned Israeli military operation in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, where some 1.5 million Palestinians have sought shelter.

The U.S. was perplexed by Israel's decision and considered it an overreaction, said a U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Washington had been averse to the word ceasefire earlier in the nearly six-month-old war in the Gaza Strip and had used its veto power to shield ally Israel as it retaliated against Hamas for an Oct. 7 attack that Israel says killed 1,200 people.
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But as famine looms in Gaza and amid growing global pressure for a truce in the war that Palestinian health authorities say has killed some 32,000 people, the U.S. abstained on Monday to allow the Security Council to demand an immediate ceasefire for the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, which ends in two weeks.

"It was the Hamas massacre that started this war," Israel's U.N. Ambassador Gilad Erdan said. "The resolution just voted upon makes it seem as if the war started by itself... Israel did not start this war, nor did Israel want this war."
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Hamas welcomed the Security Council resolution, saying in a statement that it "affirms readiness to engage in immediate prisoner swaps on both sides."
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U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Linda Thomas-Greenfield said the U.S. fully supported "some of the critical objectives in this non-binding resolution," but added that Washington did not agree with everything in the text, which also did not condemn Hamas.
Members of the United Nations Security Council vote on a Gaza resolution that demands an immediate ceasefire, in New York

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China's U.N. Ambassador Zhang Jun said Security Council resolutions are binding.

"For the millions of people in Gaza, who remain mired in an unprecedented humanitarian catastrophe, this resolution - if fully and effectively implemented - could still bring long awaited hope," he told the council.

Deputy U.N. spokesperson Farhan Haq said Security Council resolutions are international law, "so to that extent they are as binding as international law is."

However, ultimately if there is no ceasefire in Gaza, it is unlikely the Security Council will take any further action.
The resolution also demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages. Israel says Hamas took 253 hostages during its Oct. 7 attack.

"We believe it was important for the council to speak out and make clear that any ceasefire must come with the release of all hostages," Thomas-Greenfield told the council. "A ceasefire can begin immediately with the release of the first hostage and so we must put pressure on Hamas to do just that."

The resolution also "emphasizes the urgent need to expand the flow of humanitarian assistance to and reinforce the protection of civilians in the entire Gaza Strip and reiterates its demand for the lifting of all barriers to the provision of humanitarian assistance at scale."
Guterres urged Israel on Monday to lift all obstacles to aid into Gaza and allow convoys of the U.N. Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA into the north of the coastal enclave.

Famine is imminent and likely to occur by May in northern Gaza and could spread across the enclave by July, according to a U.N.-backed report by a global authority on food security released last week.

Displaced Palestinians in Rafah hoped a ceasefire would be implemented.

"We hope that this time there will be a ceasefire so that things will calm down and people can go back to their homes - enough bloodshed, destruction, martyrs, and death," Wafaa Al-Deais told Reuters as he made tea on a fire outside a tent.

The U.S. has vetoed three draft council resolutions on the war in Gaza. It has also previously abstained twice, allowing the council to adopt resolutions that aimed to boost aid to Gaza and called for extended pauses in fighting.

Russia and China have also vetoed two U.S. drafted resolutions on the conflict - in October and on Friday.
"This must be a turning point," an emotional Palestinian U.N. envoy Riyad Mansour told the Security Council after the vote on Monday. "This must lead to saving lives on the ground."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 024-03-25/

[Uncle fester]

Interesting to see the Israelis admit that they are using collective punishment as a tool to achieve the release of hostages.

In an unusually strong rebuke, a statement from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said the US had "abandoned" its previous position which had directly linked a ceasefire to a hostage release.

"Regrettably, the United States did not veto the new resolution," it said.

The statement said this harmed efforts to release hostages by giving Hamas hope it could use international pressure on Israel to achieve a ceasefire without freeing the captives.

It's also incredible the extent to which they make demands of their main benefactor. Israel simply wouldn't exist without support from the US, yet they stomp their feet and act like they are the ones with the power in that relationship.

[Ymx]

Where was the admission to using collective punishment?

Collective punishment is what Hamas propaganda is shouting from its megaphones whilst stealing aid and hiding behind civilians.

[Tilly Orifice]

Where was the admission to using collective punishment?

Collective punishment is what Hamas propaganda is shouting from its megaphones whilst stealing aid and hiding behind civilians.

You're right, collective punishment is the wrong term for killing one set of people in order to put pressure on another set of people. the correct term is terrorism.