Climate Change - Why don't we care?

[epwc]

You’ve spent your life being gaslit and you don’t even know it.

Fuck off, Mr Establishment.

That's what this fella said

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65934887

That's why they had to kill him, DACs probably on several hit lists, scary times.

[Biffer]

There should be some degree of responsibility in posting.

Dr Moore was not a co-founder of Greenpeace, as claimed by that ridiculous wide awake media (I mean, ffs, it’s not even funny calling themselves that - they might as well call themselves “do your own research”)

Greenpeace have completely disowned him and in doing so pointed out that he's been a paid spokesman for many polluting industries for many years, including timber, mining, chemical and aquaculture industries

In addition to this -

Dr Patrick Moore said in 1976

it should be remembered that there are employed in the nuclear industry some very high-powered public relations organizations. One can no more trust them to tell the truth about nuclear power than about which brand of toothpaste will result in this apparently insoluble problem

Since the 80s he has made his money being a consultant for the nuclear industry, lobbying and advocating for more nuclear power.

He also claimed in a TV interview that one could drink a whole quart of glyphosate with no adverse affects. When the interviewer then produced a glass for him to drink he refused and ended the interview.

He's a pseudoscience charlatan.

[Tilly Orifice]

There should be some degree of responsibility in posting.

Dr Moore was not a co-founder of Greenpeace, as claimed by that ridiculous wide awake media (I mean, ffs, it’s not even funny calling themselves that - they might as well call themselves “do your own research”)

Greenpeace have completely disowned him and in doing so pointed out that he's been a paid spokesman for many polluting industries for many years, including timber, mining, chemical and aquaculture industries

In addition to this -

Dr Patrick Moore said in 1976

it should be remembered that there are employed in the nuclear industry some very high-powered public relations organizations. One can no more trust them to tell the truth about nuclear power than about which brand of toothpaste will result in this apparently insoluble problem

Since the 80s he has made his money being a consultant for the nuclear industry, lobbying and advocating for more nuclear power.

He also claimed in a TV interview that one could drink a whole quart of glyphosate with no adverse affects. When the interviewer then produced a glass for him to drink he refused and ended the interview.

He's a pseudoscience charlatan.

Top interviewing, that.

[petej]

There should be some degree of responsibility in posting.

Dr Moore was not a co-founder of Greenpeace, as claimed by that ridiculous wide awake media (I mean, ffs, it’s not even funny calling themselves that - they might as well call themselves “do your own research”)

Greenpeace have completely disowned him and in doing so pointed out that he's been a paid spokesman for many polluting industries for many years, including timber, mining, chemical and aquaculture industries

In addition to this -

Dr Patrick Moore said in 1976

it should be remembered that there are employed in the nuclear industry some very high-powered public relations organizations. One can no more trust them to tell the truth about nuclear power than about which brand of toothpaste will result in this apparently insoluble problem

Since the 80s he has made his money being a consultant for the nuclear industry, lobbying and advocating for more nuclear power.

He also claimed in a TV interview that one could drink a whole quart of glyphosate with no adverse affects. When the interviewer then produced a glass for him to drink he refused and ended the interview.

He's a pseudoscience charlatan.

Soft sack of shit. He is no Thomas Midgley Jr who at least was willing to poison himself (credited with adding lead to petrol and the invention of CFCs).

[David in Gwent]

https://news.sky.com/story/world-has-be ... n-13148162

The last 12 months have all been over the critical threshold of 1.5 degrees of global warming, according to a new analysis of temperature data.

Global average temperatures from June 2023 to May 2024 were 1.63 degrees above the 1850-1900 "pre-industrial" baseline according to Copernicus, the EU's climate monitoring service.

"The battle to limit temperature rise to 1.5 degrees will be won or lost in the 2020s," warns UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres.

Just want to state that I trust the UN implicitly, as I do the EU and their Copernicus Service.

I trust them because the have my best interests at heart and they would never lie about anything.

[petej]

I do think CO2 is over weighted in the global warming debate to simplify it.

I did find the report on shipping fuels being cleaned up which reducing the amount of heavy particulates in the atmosphere increasing the heating impact to be interesting though not unexpected.

[petej]

https://news.sky.com/story/world-has-be ... n-13148162

The last 12 months have all been over the critical threshold of 1.5 degrees of global warming, according to a new analysis of temperature data.

Global average temperatures from June 2023 to May 2024 were 1.63 degrees above the 1850-1900 "pre-industrial" baseline according to Copernicus, the EU's climate monitoring service.

"The battle to limit temperature rise to 1.5 degrees will be won or lost in the 2020s," warns UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres.

Just want to state that I trust the UN implicitly, as I do the EU and their Copernicus Service.

I trust them because the have my best interests at heart and they would never lie about anything.

El nino year so can +0.5degC over the average.

[epwc]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... imate-cost

Fuck knows what the climate cost of all the bombing has been

[epwc]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/14/indi ... index.html

Farage doesn't see why we should do anything to mitigate climate change in the UK

[Hal Jordan]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/14/indi ... index.html

Farage doesn't see why we should do anything to mitigate climate change in the UK

Because he's a cunt.

[epwc]

Can't argue with, a fair and reasoned assessment of the man.

[Sandstorm]

Can't argue with, a fair and reasoned assessment of the man.

+1

[epwc]

More than 70 million Americans, about one in five people, are under heat alerts on Tuesday

[inactionman]

Jesus. Well, perhaps Holy Mo instead.

550 dead on their Hajj at Mecca. Dreadful.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ed-illness

I appreciate Mecca is in a hot place and is highly unlikely to have much in the way of creature comforts, but that is truly troubling.

The pilgrimage is increasingly affected by climate breakdown, according to a Saudi study published last month that said temperatures in the area where rituals are performed were rising 0.4C (0.72F) each decade.

Temperatures hit 51.8Cat the Grand Mosque in Mecca on Monday, the Saudi national meteorology centre said.

[epwc]

Yep, my sis is there atm. I told her not to go, but people are mental

[epwc]

Last time I was there it was 45C and very windy, It was like standing in front of a massive hairdryer

I think as a species we are fucked, and we deserve to be.

[Hal Jordan]

Yes but 1976!

[Hal Jordan]

Jesus. Well, perhaps Holy Mo instead.

550 dead on their Hajj at Mecca. Dreadful.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ed-illness

I appreciate Mecca is in a hot place and is highly unlikely to have much in the way of creature comforts, but that is truly troubling.

The pilgrimage is increasingly affected by climate breakdown, according to a Saudi study published last month that said temperatures in the area where rituals are performed were rising 0.4C (0.72F) each decade.

Temperatures hit 51.8Cat the Grand Mosque in Mecca on Monday, the Saudi national meteorology centre said.

Up to 1300 now. Horrendous stuff.

Meanwhile, it what would appear to be a perfect analogy for the general response to climate change,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c722p1ljlk9o

Thirteen people have been arrested following a forest fire on the Greek island of Hydra, that authorities allege was sparked by fireworks launched from a superyacht.

Friday's blaze burnt through 300 acres of the only pine forest on the renowned tourist island, which lies south of Athens, Greece's Climate Crisis Minister Vassilis Kikilias said.

The flames were brought under control, but with difficulty. As there are no roads to the beach, firefighters had to access it by sea, while helicopters dropped water from the air.

Greek media reported that all those arrested are crew members of the superyacht, Persephoni. It is available for summer charter from €249,000 per week (£211,200; $269,300), according to several luxury yacht dealers online.

Allegations at present, but good grief either way.

[epwc]

Yep, fuckwits all over the place. My sis and her family got back safe, but I don't give a shit, I would never have gone in the predicted heat. But you know what people are still travelling to places with similar weather right now, not for some religious purpose but just for a holiday, in 50C are you mental????

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/21/amer ... index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/22/asia ... index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/24/weat ... index.html

[Guy Smiley]

Dietary calorie consumption and our ability to produce and provide the food needed for that, on a global scale...

[epwc]

Excellent video

[Guy Smiley]

Excellent video

It's a good channel, he releases a video each week. Always informative, chatty and engaging. His focus is the broad umbrella of climate and how we might mitigate the damage we're doing.

[weegie01]

Excellent video

It is a reasonable stab at a complex subject, but is still hostage to some of the fundamental issues inherent in making sense of the topic. For example, no one disputes that circa 80% of the global soy production by weight goes to animal feed. So just divert that to human consumption and there will be huge benefits. Except that most global soy goes to oil extraction, and the residue is used for animal feed. Only some 15% by weight comes out as oil, but that contains a very large part of the nutritional value, so we already get a large part of the nutritional value into the human food chain despite a large part of the weight going to animals.

For the record, I detest the feed lot system and other intensive systems where animals are confined and fed a high protein diet. And in which they need large amounts on antibiotics, not to mention what I would call the abuse of growth hormones.

The cereals that go into the animal feed are by definition poor quality. Human food quality cereals command a high price and anyone who can grow that quality always will in preference. There is no question some animal feed standard cereal feeds can be converted to human consumption. But there is not a one to one conversion rate. A ton of animal feed cereals will provide less, and sometimes much less, nutrition than a ton of human food quality. This seems to be ignored by most advocates of diverting crops from animal to human food.

Certainly less meat consumption in the west is desirable imho. We need a balance between making the right reductions where land that can actually produce good human food chain cereals is converted to cereals, where we stop cutting down rainforests etc, but we need careful how it is done to maximise benefits, and some of that involves retaining livestock farming in certain types of ground, such as extensive upland farms in Scotland. This video is a bit repetitive, but it features one of my wive's relatives (and a couple of school chums of mine) whose extensive farming techniques are coming back into fashion. ) and produces low impact sustainable beef at the opposite end of the scale from the big industrial units.

[epwc]

There are plenty of ecosystems reliant on grazing, and plenty that are overgrazed naturally (normally in the absence of an apex predator) and there are instances where livestock do make sense, but as you say overall his explanation was accessible and accurate enough.

[epwc]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn05rz3w4x1o

These are densely populated areas, with absolutely dogshit health provision unless you’re wealthy. Across India and Pakistan the death toll must be huge right now.

This is going to force migration

[epwc]

For fucks sake:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/ar ... d-projects

[Hal Jordan]

Got to keep those short term shareholders happy.

[shaggy]

Got to keep those short term shareholders happy.

It is a bigger issue than that. All established wind farm operators are struggling with supply chain cost increases and their profitability is under threat. Starting new fields has become incredibly more expensive, slowed due to grid infrastructure and permitting processes and the desire to support the transition is impacted by an existential threat to bp through takeover.

It is not short term shareholders that are nervous, it is all shareholders as the company could be very different in a few years.

Shell will sell off their renewable arm and follow the US majors who are making a ton of cash despite Biden’s green plans.

It is about survival, not short term profit.

[epwc]

Meanwhile:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c725ny6p960o

I'm sure it was built like shit but even 15 years ago I don't think they would have expected rain like they've had recently.

The financial impact of all these climate induced incidents must be massive now, hasn't even started to kick in properly yet. Places like Greece will be no go for summer tourists soon.

[Hal Jordan]

Got to keep those short term shareholders happy.

It is a bigger issue than that. All established wind farm operators are struggling with supply chain cost increases and their profitability is under threat. Starting new fields has become incredibly more expensive, slowed due to grid infrastructure and permitting processes and the desire to support the transition is impacted by an existential threat to bp through takeover.

It is not short term shareholders that are nervous, it is all shareholders as the company could be very different in a few years.

Shell will sell off their renewable arm and follow the US majors who are making a ton of cash despite Biden’s green plans.

It is about survival, not short term profit.

Fuck BP, they can go to the fucking wall for the damage they have done.

Muuhhh pensions. Fuck the pension managers too, enablers, the lot of them.

[petej]

Got to keep those short term shareholders happy.

It is a bigger issue than that. All established wind farm operators are struggling with supply chain cost increases and their profitability is under threat. Starting new fields has become incredibly more expensive, slowed due to grid infrastructure and permitting processes and the desire to support the transition is impacted by an existential threat to bp through takeover.

It is not short term shareholders that are nervous, it is all shareholders as the company could be very different in a few years.

Shell will sell off their renewable arm and follow the US majors who are making a ton of cash despite Biden’s green plans.

It is about survival, not short term profit.

The other question is do you want the same bunch of arseholes continuing to control energy.

[petej]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn05rz3w4x1o

These are densely populated areas, with absolutely dogshit health provision unless you’re wealthy. Across India and Pakistan the death toll must be huge right now.

This is going to force migration

Has it rapidly urbanised as well with little consideration for urban heat islands?

[petej]

On a positive note gazprom made a large loss and gas isn't very transportable without complex processing or pipelines so hopefully a load of gas wells become worthless and are shutdown.

[epwc]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn05rz3w4x1o

These are densely populated areas, with absolutely dogshit health provision unless you’re wealthy. Across India and Pakistan the death toll must be huge right now.

This is going to force migration

Has it rapidly urbanised as well with little consideration for urban heat islands?

Of course, everybody follows the western model

[Niegs]

I wonder if we're going to see an explosion of these here in Canada while gas prices continue to rise (we get so much from Cali and Mexico)

[Guy Smiley]

Throw in a roof full of pv panels, some storage back up and you're really talking clean and green.

Add fish in an aquaponics set up and you're adding protein to the market. Look at precision fermentation and the food skyrocket goes off for indoor farming. To me, it's a no brainer. It's actually starting to happen here in NZ, albeit slowly.

[petej]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn05rz3w4x1o

These are densely populated areas, with absolutely dogshit health provision unless you’re wealthy. Across India and Pakistan the death toll must be huge right now.

This is going to force migration

Has it rapidly urbanised as well with little consideration for urban heat islands?

Of course, everybody follows the western model

I always kind of hope that someone avoids our idiocy.

[shaggy]

Has it rapidly urbanised as well with little consideration for urban heat islands?

Of course, everybody follows the western model

I always kind of hope that someone avoids our idiocy.

Cities were not the invention of Westerners, started in the Middle East and N.Africa, followed by China?

[Sandstorm]

Western citiies work with smaller populations. Over 20 million and they turn into polluted shitholes. Asian exploding populations aren’t going to work.

[epwc]

Asian exploding populations aren’t going to work.

Size is less relevant than infrastructure, if (for example) Istanbul had decent trains just between the city centre and airports traffic congestion and hence air pollution would fall dramatically, if it had an underground system comparable to say London it would be a tolerable city, as it is it doesn't matter how many bridges there are over the Bosphorous it's doomed to be a nightmare.

You would hope that expanding and new cities would take this on board, as well as the principles of 15 minute cities, but it doesn't appear to be happening