The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

[Yr Alban]

Few people go from hero to zero with quite the rapidity of Stuart Hogg. I wonder slightly if his sudden retirement was because he saw this coming down the road and decided to get out of the limelight before it hit.

[Biffer]

Few people go from hero to zero with quite the rapidity of Stuart Hogg. I wonder slightly if his sudden retirement was because he saw this coming down the road and decided to get out of the limelight before it hit.

I don't think he's that self-aware.

[Slick]

There is something seriously wrong with the lad

[Slick]

Sorry, political and deleted

[Blackmac]

So if he's broken his bail conditions does that mean he's in the jail until his trial?

Usually a breach of bail would mean you are locked up to appear the next day. Not sure of the circumstances but presumably arrested Tuesday to appear today. Silly fucker might find himself with more severe bail restrictions now.

[Blackmac]

Few people go from hero to zero with quite the rapidity of Stuart Hogg. I wonder slightly if his sudden retirement was because he saw this coming down the road and decided to get out of the limelight before it hit.

I don't think he's that self-aware.

I remember as a young cop there was a very high profile retired footballer who ended up in exactly the same spiral. Too arrogant and stupid to adhere to his bail conditions and got in ever increasing bother.

[SomersetJock]

The Hoggy situation is like a slow motion train crash happening right before our eyes. I refuse to believe all the story’s I’ve heard over the last 12 months can be true (even a pro sportsman hasn’t got that much stamina) but if 10% of them are true then his fall from grace is well deserved !

[SaintK]

So if he's broken his bail conditions does that mean he's in the jail until his trial?

Usually a breach of bail would mean you are locked up to appear the next day. Not sure of the circumstances but presumably arrested Tuesday to appear today. Silly fucker might find himself with more severe bail restrictions now.

Like having his passport removes and being unable to travel to France for pre-season at Montpellier?
What an utter dickhead.

[westport]

Meanwhile back to important things rather than the previous posts

Scotland team to play Canada on Saturday 6 July at TD Place, Ottawa, (kick off 10pm BST / 5pm local) – live on TNT Sports 1 (caps in brackets)
15. Harry Paterson – Edinburgh Rugby (1)
14. Jamie Dobie – Glasgow Warriors (2)
13. Matt Currie – Edinburgh Rugby (uncapped)
12. Stafford McDowall – Co-Captain – Glasgow Warriors (2)
11. Arron Reed – Sale Sharks (uncapped)
10. Ross Thompson – Edinburgh Rugby (3)
9. Gus Warr – Sale Sharks (uncapped)
1. Rory Sutherland – Glasgow Warriors (30)
2. Dylan Richardson – The Sharks (1)
3. Elliot Millar Mills – Northampton Saints (3)
4. Max Williamson – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
5. Glen Young – Edinburgh Rugby (3)
6. Gregor Brown – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
7. Luke Crosbie – Co-Captain – Edinburgh Rugby (8)
8. Josh Bayliss – Bath Rugby (5)

Replacements

16. Robbie Smith – Northampton Saints (uncapped)
17. Nathan McBeth – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
18. Will Hurd – Leicester Tigers (uncapped)
19. Ewan Johnson – Oyonnax (uncapped)
20. Matt Fagerson – Glasgow Warriors (44)
21. Ben Healy – Edinburgh Rugby (5)
22. Kyle Steyn – Glasgow Warriors (19)
23. Ross McCann – Edinburgh Rugby (uncapped)

[S/Lt_Phillips]

Meanwhile back to important things rather than the previous posts

Scotland team to play Canada on Saturday 6 July at TD Place, Ottawa, (kick off 10pm BST / 5pm local) – live on TNT Sports 1 (caps in brackets)
15. Harry Paterson – Edinburgh Rugby (1)
14. Jamie Dobie – Glasgow Warriors (2)
13. Matt Currie – Edinburgh Rugby (uncapped)
12. Stafford McDowall – Co-Captain – Glasgow Warriors (2)
11. Arron Reed – Sale Sharks (uncapped)
10. Ross Thompson – Edinburgh Rugby (3)
9. Gus Warr – Sale Sharks (uncapped)
1. Rory Sutherland – Glasgow Warriors (30)
2. Dylan Richardson – The Sharks (1)
3. Elliot Millar Mills – Northampton Saints (3)
4. Max Williamson – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
5. Glen Young – Edinburgh Rugby (3)
6. Gregor Brown – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
7. Luke Crosbie – Co-Captain – Edinburgh Rugby (8)
8. Josh Bayliss – Bath Rugby (5)

Replacements

16. Robbie Smith – Northampton Saints (uncapped)
17. Nathan McBeth – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
18. Will Hurd – Leicester Tigers (uncapped)
19. Ewan Johnson – Oyonnax (uncapped)
20. Matt Fagerson – Glasgow Warriors (44)
21. Ben Healy – Edinburgh Rugby (5)
22. Kyle Steyn – Glasgow Warriors (19)
23. Ross McCann – Edinburgh Rugby (uncapped)

That team selection is, er, interesting. I know Canada aren't as good as they have been, but that is a very inexperienced Scotland team. Hope it's not another embarrassing result!

[charltom]

Meanwhile back to important things rather than the previous posts

Scotland team to play Canada on Saturday 6 July at TD Place, Ottawa, (kick off 10pm BST / 5pm local) – live on TNT Sports 1 (caps in brackets)
15. Harry Paterson – Edinburgh Rugby (1)
14. Jamie Dobie – Glasgow Warriors (2)
13. Matt Currie – Edinburgh Rugby (uncapped)
12. Stafford McDowall – Co-Captain – Glasgow Warriors (2)
11. Arron Reed – Sale Sharks (uncapped)
10. Ross Thompson – Edinburgh Rugby (3)
9. Gus Warr – Sale Sharks (uncapped)
1. Rory Sutherland – Glasgow Warriors (30)
2. Dylan Richardson – The Sharks (1)
3. Elliot Millar Mills – Northampton Saints (3)
4. Max Williamson – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
5. Glen Young – Edinburgh Rugby (3)
6. Gregor Brown – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
7. Luke Crosbie – Co-Captain – Edinburgh Rugby (8)
8. Josh Bayliss – Bath Rugby (5)

Replacements

16. Robbie Smith – Northampton Saints (uncapped)
17. Nathan McBeth – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
18. Will Hurd – Leicester Tigers (uncapped)
19. Ewan Johnson – Oyonnax (uncapped)
20. Matt Fagerson – Glasgow Warriors (44)
21. Ben Healy – Edinburgh Rugby (5)
22. Kyle Steyn – Glasgow Warriors (19)
23. Ross McCann – Edinburgh Rugby (uncapped)

That team selection is, er, interesting. I know Canada aren't as good as they have been, but that is a very inexperienced Scotland team. Hope it's not another embarrassing result!

I like it, I think...

Dobie starting on the wing is interesting though!

And with that, this thread becomes as long as the England.one - onwards, guys!

[weegie01]

Meanwhile back to important things rather than the previous posts

Scotland team to play Canada on Saturday 6 July at TD Place, Ottawa, (kick off 10pm BST / 5pm local) – live on TNT Sports 1 (caps in brackets)
15. Harry Paterson – Edinburgh Rugby (1)
14. Jamie Dobie – Glasgow Warriors (2)
13. Matt Currie – Edinburgh Rugby (uncapped)
12. Stafford McDowall – Co-Captain – Glasgow Warriors (2)
11. Arron Reed – Sale Sharks (uncapped)
10. Ross Thompson – Edinburgh Rugby (3)
9. Gus Warr – Sale Sharks (uncapped)
1. Rory Sutherland – Glasgow Warriors (30)
2. Dylan Richardson – The Sharks (1)
3. Elliot Millar Mills – Northampton Saints (3)
4. Max Williamson – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
5. Glen Young – Edinburgh Rugby (3)
6. Gregor Brown – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
7. Luke Crosbie – Co-Captain – Edinburgh Rugby (8)
8. Josh Bayliss – Bath Rugby (5)

Replacements

16. Robbie Smith – Northampton Saints (uncapped)
17. Nathan McBeth – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
18. Will Hurd – Leicester Tigers (uncapped)
19. Ewan Johnson – Oyonnax (uncapped)
20. Matt Fagerson – Glasgow Warriors (44)
21. Ben Healy – Edinburgh Rugby (5)
22. Kyle Steyn – Glasgow Warriors (19)
23. Ross McCann – Edinburgh Rugby (uncapped)

That team selection is, er, interesting. I know Canada aren't as good as they have been, but that is a very inexperienced Scotland team. Hope it's not another embarrassing result!

If you put that out as an A team it would look reasonable.

Ross McCann - two appearances for Edinburgh and on the bench. If he gets on that must be about the lowest numbers of games pre cap.

[Jock42]

Not sure about Dobie on the wing, would prefer Steyn (or VDM) to start so there's a bit of experience there but an interesting enough looking team

[GrahamWa]

Posted this on the Weeg forum, so repeating here.


Think we'll be fine.....

1. Liam Murray, Langley, B.C., Dallas Jackals (MLR)
2. Andrew Quattrin, Holland Landing, Ont., New England Free Jacks (MLR)
3. Conor Young, Yamba, Australia, RFC Los Angeles (MLR)
4. Conor Keys, Stittsville, Ont., New England Free Jacks (MLR)
5. Kyle Baillie, Summerside, P.E.I., New England Free Jacks (MLR)
6. Mason Flesch, Cobourg, Ont., Chicago Hounds (MLR)
7. Lucas Rumball, Toronto, Chicago Hounds (MLR)
8. Siaki Vikilani, Vancouver, Clifton Rugby Club (England)
9. Jason Higgins, Cork, Ireland, Chicago Hounds (MLR)
10. Peter Nelson, Dungannon, Northern Ireland, Dungannon RFC (Northern Ireland)
11. Nic Benn, Caves Beach, Australia, Dallas Jackals (MLR)
12. Ben LeSage, Calgary, New England Free Jacks (MLR)
13. Mitch Richardson, Stoney Creek, Ont., Dallas Jackals (MLR)
14. Andrew Coe, Markham, Ont., RFC Los Angeles (MLR)
15. Cooper Coats, Halifax, Halifax Tars.

Replacements

16. Jesse Mackail. Palmerston North, New Zealand, Pacific Pride
17. Djustice Sears-Duru, Oakville, Ont., San Diego Legion (MLR)
18. Cole Keith, Apohaqui, N.B. New England Free Jacks (MLR)
19. James Stockwood, Bowmanville, Ont., Pacific Pride
20. Siôn Parry, Cardiff, Wales, Ebbw Vale RFC (Wales)
21. Brock Gallagher, Edmonton, Dallas Jackals (MLR)
22. Talon McMullin, White Rock, B.C., Vancouver Highlanders
23. Takoda McMullin, White Rock, B.C., Vancouver Highlanders.

[Slick]

Not sure about Dobie on the wing, would prefer Steyn (or VDM) to start so there's a bit of experience there but an interesting enough looking team

I just wish someone would give Dobie a bloody run at 9. I’m convinced he is our best scrum half if he got a decent run. It’s very frustrating

I suppose they want Warr capped as well

[topofthemoon]

Meanwhile back to important things rather than the previous posts

Scotland team to play Canada on Saturday 6 July at TD Place, Ottawa, (kick off 10pm BST / 5pm local) – live on TNT Sports 1 (caps in brackets)
15. Harry Paterson – Edinburgh Rugby (1)
14. Jamie Dobie – Glasgow Warriors (2)
13. Matt Currie – Edinburgh Rugby (uncapped)
12. Stafford McDowall – Co-Captain – Glasgow Warriors (2)
11. Arron Reed – Sale Sharks (uncapped)
10. Ross Thompson – Edinburgh Rugby (3)
9. Gus Warr – Sale Sharks (uncapped)
1. Rory Sutherland – Glasgow Warriors (30)
2. Dylan Richardson – The Sharks (1)
3. Elliot Millar Mills – Northampton Saints (3)
4. Max Williamson – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
5. Glen Young – Edinburgh Rugby (3)
6. Gregor Brown – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
7. Luke Crosbie – Co-Captain – Edinburgh Rugby (8)
8. Josh Bayliss – Bath Rugby (5)

Replacements

16. Robbie Smith – Northampton Saints (uncapped)
17. Nathan McBeth – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
18. Will Hurd – Leicester Tigers (uncapped)
19. Ewan Johnson – Oyonnax (uncapped)
20. Matt Fagerson – Glasgow Warriors (44)
21. Ben Healy – Edinburgh Rugby (5)
22. Kyle Steyn – Glasgow Warriors (19)
23. Ross McCann – Edinburgh Rugby (uncapped)

That team selection is, er, interesting. I know Canada aren't as good as they have been, but that is a very inexperienced Scotland team. Hope it's not another embarrassing result!

If you put that out as an A team it would look reasonable.

Ross McCann - two appearances for Edinburgh and on the bench. If he gets on that must be about the lowest numbers of games pre cap.

Same numbers of appearances as Adam Ashe back in 2014. Although with 142 minutes from 2 starts, McCann is positively a veteran compared to Ashe's 34 mins from 2 game as a sub!

Ashe started (and played the full 80) in his first cap as well - against South Africa.

[weegie01]

Same numbers of appearances as Adam Ashe back in 2014. Although with 142 minutes from 2 starts, McCann is positively a veteran compared to Ashe's 34 mins from 2 game as a sub!

Ashe started (and played the full 80) in his first cap as well - against South Africa.

It would never have occurred to me that Ashe was capped that quickly. You live and learn.

[Yr Alban]

Meanwhile back to important things rather than the previous posts

Scotland team to play Canada on Saturday 6 July at TD Place, Ottawa, (kick off 10pm BST / 5pm local) – live on TNT Sports 1 (caps in brackets)
15. Harry Paterson – Edinburgh Rugby (1)
14. Jamie Dobie – Glasgow Warriors (2)
13. Matt Currie – Edinburgh Rugby (uncapped)
12. Stafford McDowall – Co-Captain – Glasgow Warriors (2)
11. Arron Reed – Sale Sharks (uncapped)
10. Ross Thompson – Edinburgh Rugby (3)
9. Gus Warr – Sale Sharks (uncapped)
1. Rory Sutherland – Glasgow Warriors (30)
2. Dylan Richardson – The Sharks (1)
3. Elliot Millar Mills – Northampton Saints (3)
4. Max Williamson – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
5. Glen Young – Edinburgh Rugby (3)
6. Gregor Brown – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
7. Luke Crosbie – Co-Captain – Edinburgh Rugby (8)
8. Josh Bayliss – Bath Rugby (5)

Replacements

16. Robbie Smith – Northampton Saints (uncapped)
17. Nathan McBeth – Glasgow Warriors (uncapped)
18. Will Hurd – Leicester Tigers (uncapped)
19. Ewan Johnson – Oyonnax (uncapped)
20. Matt Fagerson – Glasgow Warriors (44)
21. Ben Healy – Edinburgh Rugby (5)
22. Kyle Steyn – Glasgow Warriors (19)
23. Ross McCann – Edinburgh Rugby (uncapped)

That team selection is, er, interesting. I know Canada aren't as good as they have been, but that is a very inexperienced Scotland team. Hope it's not another embarrassing result!

Now that you mention it, it sort of is. A lot of the players are ones who have been in and around the Scotland setup for a while, so the names are very familiar, but when you look at the actual cap numbers they are very low.

I’m not that bothered even if they lose though. It’s all about blooding the new guys…

[I like neeps]

Canada are absolutely dreadful nowadays so an upset is up there with worst result of all time (USA a few years back).

Dobie on the wing is disappointing as he's on the wing as Scotland other than Reed (English developed) have absolutely nobody even close to pro standard (see Ross McCann hanging around) in the pipeline. Aside from I guess Henry (who I think is injured again?) there's nobody even to give a cap to for the future.

[Biffer]

Canada are absolutely dreadful nowadays so an upset is up there with worst result of all time (USA a few years back).

Dobie on the wing is disappointing as he's on the wing as Scotland other than Reed (English developed) have absolutely nobody even close to pro standard (see Ross McCann hanging around) in the pipeline. Aside from I guess Henry (who I think is injured again?) there's nobody even to give a cap to for the future.

The young wingers are with the U20 squad as well, so

[I like neeps]

Canada are absolutely dreadful nowadays so an upset is up there with worst result of all time (USA a few years back).

Dobie on the wing is disappointing as he's on the wing as Scotland other than Reed (English developed) have absolutely nobody even close to pro standard (see Ross McCann hanging around) in the pipeline. Aside from I guess Henry (who I think is injured again?) there's nobody even to give a cap to for the future.

The young wingers are with the U20 squad as well, so

They're too young and wouldn't be pro guys yet anyway. The young wingers are guys like Logan Trotter and Ross McKnight who never got a sniff of gametime.

[robmatic]

Canada are absolutely dreadful nowadays so an upset is up there with worst result of all time (USA a few years back).

Dobie on the wing is disappointing as he's on the wing as Scotland other than Reed (English developed) have absolutely nobody even close to pro standard (see Ross McCann hanging around) in the pipeline. Aside from I guess Henry (who I think is injured again?) there's nobody even to give a cap to for the future.

The young wingers are with the U20 squad as well, so

They're too young and wouldn't be pro guys yet anyway. The young wingers are guys like Logan Trotter and Ross McKnight who never got a sniff of gametime.

Yup, unfortunately Glasgow instead chose to consistently play Cancelliere and McKay on their way to winning the title.

[KingBlairhorn]

Jonny Gray has joined Bordeaux. I'm not sure a punishing French season is what I would have chosen following major knee-reconstruction and a season and a half out injured. Nevertheless, hopefully they can finally find a way to turn him into the hard hitting hard yard making dog he should have become.

[Yr Alban]

Not sure about Dobie on the wing, would prefer Steyn (or VDM) to start so there's a bit of experience there but an interesting enough looking team

I just wish someone would give Dobie a bloody run at 9. I’m convinced he is our best scrum half if he got a decent run. It’s very frustrating

I suppose they want Warr capped as well

Toony has said in an interview that he thinks SH is Dobie’s best position too, and he’ll get a shot there later in the tour.

[Yr Alban]

Jonny Gray has joined Bordeaux. I'm not sure a punishing French season is what I would have chosen following major knee-reconstruction and a season and a half out injured. Nevertheless, hopefully they can finally find a way to turn him into the hard hitting hard yard making dog he should have become.

Jonny is maybe Scottish rugby’s greatest enigma. He was so good when he broke through that he eclipsed his older brother, and by any measure he has had a good career, but we all thought he’d become a world class player and he just didn’t. I reckon the issue with both Gray brothers is that they are too damn nice for international rugby.

[I like neeps]

The young wingers are with the U20 squad as well, so

They're too young and wouldn't be pro guys yet anyway. The young wingers are guys like Logan Trotter and Ross McKnight who never got a sniff of gametime.

Yup, unfortunately Glasgow instead chose to consistently play Cancelliere and McKay on their way to winning the title.

Loan them to Edinburgh who had Chris Dean on the wing.

[I like neeps]

Jonny Gray has joined Bordeaux. I'm not sure a punishing French season is what I would have chosen following major knee-reconstruction and a season and a half out injured. Nevertheless, hopefully they can finally find a way to turn him into the hard hitting hard yard making dog he should have become.

Jonny is maybe Scottish rugby’s greatest enigma. He was so good when he broke through that he eclipsed his older brother, and by any measure he has had a good career, but we all thought he’d become a world class player and he just didn’t. I reckon the issue with both Gray brothers is that they are too damn nice for international rugby.

Not been the issue with Ritchie Gray for the last few years. Jonny under Franco finds his aggression again.

[topofthemoon]

Total number of Test tries scored by Scotland's starting XV for the game v Canada:
1

Plenty more stats and analysis in the match preview for Scotland Rugby News:

https://www.scotlandrugbynews.com/analy ... lf_ZsHgGPg

[Tichtheid]

Jonny Gray has joined Bordeaux. I'm not sure a punishing French season is what I would have chosen following major knee-reconstruction and a season and a half out injured. Nevertheless, hopefully they can finally find a way to turn him into the hard hitting hard yard making dog he should have become.

Jonny is maybe Scottish rugby’s greatest enigma. He was so good when he broke through that he eclipsed his older brother, and by any measure he has had a good career, but we all thought he’d become a world class player and he just didn’t. I reckon the issue with both Gray brothers is that they are too damn nice for international rugby.

Not been the issue with Ritchie Gray for the last few years. Jonny under Franco finds his aggression again.

Richie Gray was carrying really well when he played at Toulouse before he came back to Glasgow, in fact it's the best all round I've seen him play

[Yr Alban]

I’m guessing there’s no way to watch the game tonight if you don’t have Premier Sports?

[Tichtheid]

I’m guessing there’s no way to watch the game tonight if you don’t have Premier Sports?

It's on TNT Sports, which I have, but I believe VIP box has been working all day for the other games

[Slick]

I’m guessing there’s no way to watch the game tonight if you don’t have Premier Sports?

Is it on Premier Sports? I didn’t see it yesterday

[Tichtheid]

Hello?

One two, one two

Two Two

Is this thing on?

[Yr Alban]

I’m guessing there’s no way to watch the game tonight if you don’t have Premier Sports?

Is it on Premier Sports? I didn’t see it yesterday

D’oh. I meant TNT. Sorry.

[Yr Alban]

I’m guessing there’s no way to watch the game tonight if you don’t have Premier Sports?

It's on TNT Sports, which I have, but I believe VIP box has been working all day for the other games

Never used VIP box before. It claims to have the game, but clicking on any of the links on their homepage pitches you into nested adverts. Is there something different I need to do?

[Slick]

I’m guessing there’s no way to watch the game tonight if you don’t have Premier Sports?

Is it on Premier Sports? I didn’t see it yesterday

D’oh. I meant TNT. Sorry.

Oh you absolute bastard

[Jockaline]

I’m guessing there’s no way to watch the game tonight if you don’t have Premier Sports?

It's on TNT Sports, which I have, but I believe VIP box has been working all day for the other games

Never used VIP box before. It claims to have the game, but clicking on any of the links on their homepage pitches you into nested adverts. Is there something different I need to do?

You my need to keep clicking and then closing the adverts until it stops and you can play the game.

[GrahamWa]

I’m guessing there’s no way to watch the game tonight if you don’t have Premier Sports?

It's on TNT Sports, which I have, but I believe VIP box has been working all day for the other games

Never used VIP box before. It claims to have the game, but clicking on any of the links on their homepage pitches you into nested adverts. Is there something different I need to do?

Or use another browser that blocks them. Try Brave.

[clydecloggie]

If you happen to find yourself virtually in, say, the Netherlands, it's free to watch on RugbyPass.

[Yr Alban]

If you happen to find yourself virtually in, say, the Netherlands, it's free to watch on RugbyPass.

How remarkable! Exactly where I happen to be this evening. Cheers.