Starmergeddon: They Came And Ate Us

[petej]

Anyone heard anything from Johnson fluffer and Cary's ex harry cole?

[SaintK]

The blonde slug speaks.
Worth reading some of tthe responses

[epwc]

Wankstain

[fishfoodie]

The blonde slug speaks.
Worth reading some of tthe responses

That reminds me; time for the security service & Met to earn their keep & crawl up the rectums of all the appointed Peers from the bumblecunts reign of inadequacy, & eject the likes of Lord Novichok, & Lady Knickers & remove any possible access they might have to sensitive information.

[dpedin]

The blonde slug speaks.
Worth reading some of tthe responses

That reminds me; time for the security service & Met to earn their keep & crawl up the rectums of all the appointed Peers from the bumblecunts reign of inadequacy, & eject the likes of Lord Novichok, & Lady Knickers & remove any possible access they might have to sensitive information.

I agree however I worry the new Gov may take fright at what they actually find and that the advice they get is that if made public then there would be a significant impact on the public trust in our mechanisms of Government and probably the US with intel on Trump. I suspect that what they find re Russian involvement, etc is so serious that whole pillars of our establishment would need to be redesigned or done away. For example the appointments process to the HoL would fall into such disrepute if fully exposed that the majority of folk would just say 'get rid of it' which personally I dont think would be a bad thing! The meddling of Russia in everything - our recent GE, Reform Party funding, donations to the Tories, HoL appointments, Brexit campaigns, etc - plus the huge levels of corruption by the Tories ie PPE, cash for honours, Blonde Bumblecunt and Acuri, etc would I suspect lead to a huge huge loss of confidence in our way of Government and the decision making processes. I am not sure Starmer or any Government has the balls, the bandwidth or the power to address all of this. I suspect there might be a few high level headline grabbing wins for Labour Gov around corruption but behind the scenes I think will be where the real action takes place with a lot of resignations, stepping down to spend more time with the family, stepping out of public life, moving to a new career abroad, etc. Hopefully the security services are primed to act quickly!

[Biffer]

The blonde slug speaks.
Worth reading some of tthe responses

That reminds me; time for the security service & Met to earn their keep & crawl up the rectums of all the appointed Peers from the bumblecunts reign of inadequacy, & eject the likes of Lord Novichok, & Lady Knickers & remove any possible access they might have to sensitive information.

I agree however I worry the new Gov may take fright at what they actually find and that the advice they get is that if made public then there would be a significant impact on the public trust in our mechanisms of Government and probably the US with intel on Trump. I suspect that what they find re Russian involvement, etc is so serious that whole pillars of our establishment would need to be redesigned or done away. For example the appointments process to the HoL would fall into such disrepute if fully exposed that the majority of folk would just say 'get rid of it' which personally I dont think would be a bad thing! The meddling of Russia in everything - our recent GE, Reform Party funding, donations to the Tories, HoL appointments, Brexit campaigns, etc - plus the huge levels of corruption by the Tories ie PPE, cash for honours, Blonde Bumblecunt and Acuri, etc would I suspect lead to a huge huge loss of confidence in our way of Government and the decision making processes. I am not sure Starmer or any Government has the balls, the bandwidth or the power to address all of this. I suspect there might be a few high level headline grabbing wins for Labour Gov around corruption but behind the scenes I think will be where the real action takes place with a lot of resignations, stepping down to spend more time with the family, stepping out of public life, moving to a new career abroad, etc. Hopefully the security services are primed to act quickly!

HoL should be replaced with a second chamber that is part nominated, part elected. Have a max length of service of say 10 years. Some nominations will be from a political base, but other should come from broader society - Unions, the CBI, charities, universities, etc, all of the organisations that are part of the fabric of the country. Simple democracy is not the only form of representation.

[Raggs]

That reminds me; time for the security service & Met to earn their keep & crawl up the rectums of all the appointed Peers from the bumblecunts reign of inadequacy, & eject the likes of Lord Novichok, & Lady Knickers & remove any possible access they might have to sensitive information.

I agree however I worry the new Gov may take fright at what they actually find and that the advice they get is that if made public then there would be a significant impact on the public trust in our mechanisms of Government and probably the US with intel on Trump. I suspect that what they find re Russian involvement, etc is so serious that whole pillars of our establishment would need to be redesigned or done away. For example the appointments process to the HoL would fall into such disrepute if fully exposed that the majority of folk would just say 'get rid of it' which personally I dont think would be a bad thing! The meddling of Russia in everything - our recent GE, Reform Party funding, donations to the Tories, HoL appointments, Brexit campaigns, etc - plus the huge levels of corruption by the Tories ie PPE, cash for honours, Blonde Bumblecunt and Acuri, etc would I suspect lead to a huge huge loss of confidence in our way of Government and the decision making processes. I am not sure Starmer or any Government has the balls, the bandwidth or the power to address all of this. I suspect there might be a few high level headline grabbing wins for Labour Gov around corruption but behind the scenes I think will be where the real action takes place with a lot of resignations, stepping down to spend more time with the family, stepping out of public life, moving to a new career abroad, etc. Hopefully the security services are primed to act quickly!

HoL should be replaced with a second chamber that is part nominated, part elected. Have a max length of service of say 10 years. Some nominations will be from a political base, but other should come from broader society - Unions, the CBI, charities, universities, etc, all of the organisations that are part of the fabric of the country. Simple democracy is not the only form of representation.

I'd be pro longer term in the HoL, it's good that a part of the process goes through people who can look longer terms without risk/fear etc. Anyone who had been in the HoL could not stand again, for either HoL or MP in my mind, you need to make sure they aren't thinking about a future political career.

[Biffer]

More members of the new cabinet went to Parrs Wood High School in Manchester than went to Eton.

[Hal Jordan]

Definitely need a limited term to the upper chamber if they're elected as otherwise you will get the gerontocracy that is the US Senate.

[geordie_6]

Prisons without capacity - no investment by the Tories (the opposite prisons were closed), immediate action required, sentences of less serious criminals being cut

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

[Raggs]

Prisons without capacity - no investment by the Tories (the opposite prisons were closed), immediate action required, sentences of less serious criminals being cut

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

In theory, Timpson's appointment should aim to improving rehabilitation and reduce reoffending rates. It'll take a while to get there though.

[_Os_]

Prisons without capacity - no investment by the Tories (the opposite prisons were closed), immediate action required, sentences of less serious criminals being cut

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

Something that's going to have been done carefully but is unavoidable. Same as the huge asylum backlog, if it's ever going to be cleared the least worst option will probably be an expediated process/amnesty. Same with new Tory visa rules that are preventing the care sector and NHS being staffed, if the staff continue to not come then the rules will have to revert back to what they were.

It's a good sign they're taking decisive action rather than just letting it all build up further. The Tories stopped trying so they could say "Labour are releasing the criminals and letting the immigrants in".

[SaintK]

I wonder which one of her mates leaked the details of her tearing into Sunak at Shadow Cabinet?
That's the restart of her leadership campaign. God help the Tories.

[Hal Jordan]

Probably her.

[Slick]

Was speaking to my sister earlier who is a senior probation officer and she says everyone is absolutely over the moon at Timpson's appointment and there is a general relief that someone who knows what they are talking about is finally in charge.

[fishfoodie]

Was speaking to my sister earlier who is a senior probation officer and she says everyone is absolutely over the moon at Timpson's appointment and there is a general relief that someone who knows what they are talking about is finally in charge.

A tough job at the best of times without some fucking politician coming in, spraying shit all over the place, & then fucking off to a slightly more senior position somewhere completely different in a years time

[Slick]

Was speaking to my sister earlier who is a senior probation officer and she says everyone is absolutely over the moon at Timpson's appointment and there is a general relief that someone who knows what they are talking about is finally in charge.

A tough job at the best of times without some fucking politician coming in, spraying shit all over the place, & then fucking off to a slightly more senior position somewhere completely different in a years time

Quite. I'm not sure there are many other areas that has been fucked over more regularly than the probation service.

[SaintK]

Loving the blue on blue!!!
You'd think that they'd all keep their gobs shut for a few days while the dust settles at least

[fishfoodie]

Loving the blue on blue!!!
You'd think that they'd all keep their gobs shut for a few days while the dust settles at least

#wedontleak ... takes a breath

I do love a good cat fight, especially when I don't care how badly damaged either cat gets.

All the while Priti Vacant is standing on the sidelines with that smug smirk of hers

[epwc]

Priti is playing a blinder

[geordie_6]

Prisons without capacity - no investment by the Tories (the opposite prisons were closed), immediate action required, sentences of less serious criminals being cut

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

In theory, Timpson's appointment should aim to improving rehabilitation and reduce reoffending rates. It'll take a while to get there though.

Timpson's appt has certainly gone down well in CJS circles, at least at local levels, and christ knows they're going to be given a lot of time to get it right. The Tories were the ones playing Russian Routlette with public protection.

[geordie_6]

Prisons without capacity - no investment by the Tories (the opposite prisons were closed), immediate action required, sentences of less serious criminals being cut

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

Something that's going to have been done carefully but is unavoidable. Same as the huge asylum backlog, if it's ever going to be cleared the least worst option will probably be an expediated process/amnesty. Same with new Tory visa rules that are preventing the care sector and NHS being staffed, if the staff continue to not come then the rules will have to revert back to what they were.

It's a good sign they're taking decisive action rather than just letting it all build up further. The Tories stopped trying so they could say "Labour are releasing the criminals and letting the immigrants in".

Something which they're already trying to spin, despite Starmer barely taking his shoes off in Number 10.

[geordie_6]

Was speaking to my sister earlier who is a senior probation officer and she says everyone is absolutely over the moon at Timpson's appointment and there is a general relief that someone who knows what they are talking about is finally in charge.

Yes we're all basically hunkering down to wait and see what Labour can do to pull us out of the shit pile the Tories put us in.

[Slick]

Was speaking to my sister earlier who is a senior probation officer and she says everyone is absolutely over the moon at Timpson's appointment and there is a general relief that someone who knows what they are talking about is finally in charge.

Yes we're all basically hunkering down to wait and see what Labour can do to pull us out of the shit pile the Tories put us in.

Are you in probation as well?

[Biffer]

Was speaking to my sister earlier who is a senior probation officer and she says everyone is absolutely over the moon at Timpson's appointment and there is a general relief that someone who knows what they are talking about is finally in charge.

Yes we're all basically hunkering down to wait and see what Labour can do to pull us out of the shit pile the Tories put us in.

Are you in probation as well?

On.

[fishfoodie]

Prisons without capacity - no investment by the Tories (the opposite prisons were closed), immediate action required, sentences of less serious criminals being cut

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

Something that's going to have been done carefully but is unavoidable. Same as the huge asylum backlog, if it's ever going to be cleared the least worst option will probably be an expediated process/amnesty. Same with new Tory visa rules that are preventing the care sector and NHS being staffed, if the staff continue to not come then the rules will have to revert back to what they were.

It's a good sign they're taking decisive action rather than just letting it all build up further. The Tories stopped trying so they could say "Labour are releasing the criminals and letting the immigrants in".

This !

They've been given a serious mandate, & the reality is that honeymoon periods can be short, so they need to crack on with difficult changes, & give themselves the time to show the voters that they're serious about change, & the policies they're pursuing are going to make things better.

I think the size of their mandate means that voters do understand just how big of a hole the Tories have dug for an incoming Government, & hopefully that memory holds thru to the next GE

[epwc]

I think they’ve done really well so far, no leaks of anything either

[C69]

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

Something that's going to have been done carefully but is unavoidable. Same as the huge asylum backlog, if it's ever going to be cleared the least worst option will probably be an expediated process/amnesty. Same with new Tory visa rules that are preventing the care sector and NHS being staffed, if the staff continue to not come then the rules will have to revert back to what they were.

It's a good sign they're taking decisive action rather than just letting it all build up further. The Tories stopped trying so they could say "Labour are releasing the criminals and letting the immigrants in".

This !

They've been given a serious mandate, & the reality is that honeymoon periods can be short, so they need to crack on with difficult changes, & give themselves the time to show the voters that they're serious about change, & the policies they're pursuing are going to make things better.

I think the size of their mandate means that voters do understand just how big of a hole the Tories have dug for an incoming Government, & hopefully that memory holds thru to the next GE

Grasp the nettle and do the difficult shit now.
NHS AFC pay and Docors pay will only be sorted by throwing money at it, probablt by saying agency and locum pay will be lessened by some measures.
This will be Streeting's first issue of many.
He has no grasp of Health issue btw andis very poorly informed.

[tc27]

I heard that one of the things that convinced Sunak to go for an election in July was that he was briefed that the Prison crisis was going to blow up late summer.

Mass early release for non violent prisoners is probaly the only viable short term fix.

[fishfoodie]

Something that's going to have been done carefully but is unavoidable. Same as the huge asylum backlog, if it's ever going to be cleared the least worst option will probably be an expediated process/amnesty. Same with new Tory visa rules that are preventing the care sector and NHS being staffed, if the staff continue to not come then the rules will have to revert back to what they were.

It's a good sign they're taking decisive action rather than just letting it all build up further. The Tories stopped trying so they could say "Labour are releasing the criminals and letting the immigrants in".

This !

They've been given a serious mandate, & the reality is that honeymoon periods can be short, so they need to crack on with difficult changes, & give themselves the time to show the voters that they're serious about change, & the policies they're pursuing are going to make things better.

I think the size of their mandate means that voters do understand just how big of a hole the Tories have dug for an incoming Government, & hopefully that memory holds thru to the next GE

Grasp the nettle and do the difficult shit now.
NHS AFC pay and Docors pay will only be sorted by throwing money at it, probablt by saying agency and locum pay will be lessened by some measures.
This will be Streeting's first issue of many.
He has no grasp of Health issue btw andis very poorly informed.

and maybe Labour can get away with saying to these Doctors that while they might not be fiscally able to pay the initial levels that the Doctors want; but they can give them a trajectory of pay increases that will get them to where they want to be, but to ask the Doctors to accept that their pay demands don't/won't happen in isolation.

[Raggs]

Milliband has blocked new oil and gas licenses in the north sea... That's a huge step, and surely can only be seen as hugely committed? It's not going to be popular with many, but this is a long way from just trying to put a plaster on the worst bits and hope it holds together until the next election.

[epwc]

Milliband has blocked new oil and gas licenses in the north sea... That's a huge step, and surely can only be seen as hugely committed? It's not going to be popular with many, but this is a long way from just trying to put a plaster on the worst bits and hope it holds together until the next election.

Absolutely brilliant

[Paddington Bear]

Milliband has blocked new oil and gas licenses in the north sea... That's a huge step, and surely can only be seen as hugely committed? It's not going to be popular with many, but this is a long way from just trying to put a plaster on the worst bits and hope it holds together until the next election.

Doesn’t change our oil and gas usage. Does make us more dependent on foreign supplies and makes us poorer.


In other news, BBC confirms that there is no evidence that any Reform candidates were fake. A nice reminder that our sensible centrists are just as vulnerable to obvious hoaxes and online misinformation as the people they regularly describe as idiots

[Raggs]

Milliband has blocked new oil and gas licenses in the north sea... That's a huge step, and surely can only be seen as hugely committed? It's not going to be popular with many, but this is a long way from just trying to put a plaster on the worst bits and hope it holds together until the next election.

Doesn’t change our oil and gas usage. Does make us more dependent on foreign supplies and makes us poorer.


In other news, BBC confirms that there is no evidence that any Reform candidates were fake. A nice reminder that our sensible centrists are just as vulnerable to obvious hoaxes and online misinformation as the people they regularly describe as idiots

Doesn't change our usage right now, but makes a big statement towards the intention of getting us off it (and also a big incentive). Make it far more believeable when he's said they're planning on pushing ahead with renewables and new nuclear power.

[epwc]

Milliband has blocked new oil and gas licenses in the north sea... That's a huge step, and surely can only be seen as hugely committed? It's not going to be popular with many, but this is a long way from just trying to put a plaster on the worst bits and hope it holds together until the next election.

Doesn’t change our oil and gas usage. Does make us more dependent on foreign supplies and makes us poorer.

It does change our oil and gas usage, it will accelerate the move away from oil and gas. How much of our oil supply is "British" even the new Rosebank field that was approved last year is Norwegian, and there is absolutely no undertaking for the UK to be the preferential customer or even to have preferential rates.

[Paddington Bear]

Milliband has blocked new oil and gas licenses in the north sea... That's a huge step, and surely can only be seen as hugely committed? It's not going to be popular with many, but this is a long way from just trying to put a plaster on the worst bits and hope it holds together until the next election.

Doesn’t change our oil and gas usage. Does make us more dependent on foreign supplies and makes us poorer.


In other news, BBC confirms that there is no evidence that any Reform candidates were fake. A nice reminder that our sensible centrists are just as vulnerable to obvious hoaxes and online misinformation as the people they regularly describe as idiots

Doesn't change our usage right now, but makes a big statement towards the intention of getting us off it (and also a big incentive). Make it far more believeable when he's said they're planning on pushing ahead with renewables and new nuclear power.

We could fund the nuclear/renewables roll out with the oil money! A statement is irrelevant compared to that. All we’ve done is make ourselves more dependent on foreign states. Gesture politics with real consequences

[Raggs]

Doesn’t change our oil and gas usage. Does make us more dependent on foreign supplies and makes us poorer.


In other news, BBC confirms that there is no evidence that any Reform candidates were fake. A nice reminder that our sensible centrists are just as vulnerable to obvious hoaxes and online misinformation as the people they regularly describe as idiots

Doesn't change our usage right now, but makes a big statement towards the intention of getting us off it (and also a big incentive). Make it far more believeable when he's said they're planning on pushing ahead with renewables and new nuclear power.

We could fund the nuclear/renewables roll out with the oil money! A statement is irrelevant compared to that. All we’ve done is make ourselves more dependent on foreign states. Gesture politics with real consequences

So we'll all just keep drilling oil whilst saying we're doing it to be green later...

There's never going to be a "good" time, and the longer we don't do something, the longer the issue. Renewables and nuclear can pay for themselves, we don't need to pay for it with oil. They aren't an expense, they're an investment with a return, and a potentially quite short one. OK, it's not short enough to be paid off in a single parliament, but it is short enough that if we go fast, it could be felt within 2.

[epwc]

politics with real consequences

Policies regarding fossil fuel usage and extraction are indeed "politics with real consequences":

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... emperature
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... us-extinct
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ve-warning
https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... mperatures
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... l-pantanal

Fossil fuel usage has to be minimised as soon as we flipping can, otherwise we are fucked. The new government has already signalled they take climate seriously, they also seem to have a commitment to improving existing housing and mandating better building regs to minimise energy consumption. The Tories did absolutely fuck all to control consumption, this is an existential crisis and yeah shit like this is meaningful politics.

[epwc]

We could fund the nuclear/renewables roll out with the oil money!

My nephew the infrastructure lawyer tells me funding is not the impediment, it's the regulatory framework, the cost structures around who pays for what and everything is skewed in favour of fossil fuels.

EPCs are still based on electricity source assumptions 30 years ago, if they were updated to reflect current generation mix then there would be huge incentive to move away from gas in homes

[Biffer]

Doesn’t change our oil and gas usage. Does make us more dependent on foreign supplies and makes us poorer.


In other news, BBC confirms that there is no evidence that any Reform candidates were fake. A nice reminder that our sensible centrists are just as vulnerable to obvious hoaxes and online misinformation as the people they regularly describe as idiots

Doesn't change our usage right now, but makes a big statement towards the intention of getting us off it (and also a big incentive). Make it far more believeable when he's said they're planning on pushing ahead with renewables and new nuclear power.

We could fund the nuclear/renewables roll out with the oil money! A statement is irrelevant compared to that. All we’ve done is make ourselves more dependent on foreign states. Gesture politics with real consequences

For the last ten years we've been told there is no oil money.