GMP - Manchester Airport

[Conor]

A big problem here is male officers feeling they have to protect their female colleagues. For the most part women shouldn't be in roles requiring physical engagement with violent parties.

Airports being known hotspots for violent encounters, of course.

Do you think you might be harbouring a mild sort of... bias?

Genuinely trying to be pragmatic. We shouldn't be encouraging girls to go into roles wherever are liable to have their nose smashed by a thug.

[Paddington Bear]

A big problem here is male officers feeling they have to protect their female colleagues. For the most part women shouldn't be in roles requiring physical engagement with violent parties.

Airports being known hotspots for violent encounters, of course.

Do you think you might be harbouring a mild sort of... bias?

Genuinely trying to be pragmatic. We shouldn't be encouraging girls to go into roles wherever are liable to have their nose smashed by a thug.

The average woman is less likely to be able to hold their own in a physical altercation than the average man. It’s just a fact and it ought to be factored into police recruitment.

[_Os_]

GMP seems MET like in its problems, Channel 4 News has given it some coverage recently.

The common themes in the reporting are sexism within their own ranks and sexist power abuse against the public. The most recent one was routinely arresting women without any reason and abusing them (coincidently the ones prepared to go on camera weren't unattractive), in one case a woman reported a crime and when the police turned up they arrested her, all these women were stripped searched by groups of men and left fully naked in their cells. Another recent incident was a 6 year girl being sexually assaulted by an on duty policeman. Another one was detectives taking the side of an alleged rapist who had previous convictions for domestic abuse, after Burnham initiated a review the alleged rape victim was arrested but the charges were immediately dropped (it was an intimidation move).

Wouldn't be that surprising if they simply went wild.

[Blackmac]

GMP seems MET like in its problems, Channel 4 News has given it some coverage recently.

The common themes in the reporting are sexism within their own ranks and sexist power abuse against the public. The most recent one was routinely arresting women without any reason and abusing them (coincidently the ones prepared to go on camera weren't unattractive), in one case a woman reported a crime and when the police turned up they arrested her, all these women were stripped searched by groups of men and left fully naked in their cells. Another recent incident was a 6 year girl being sexually assaulted by an on duty policeman. Another one was detectives taking the side of an alleged rapist who had previous convictions for domestic abuse, after Burnham initiated a review the alleged rape victim was arrested but the charges were immediately dropped (it was an intimidation move).

Wouldn't be that surprising if they simply went wild.

I never come on here and defend the indefensible but I struggle to comprehend the claim that female prisoners were strip searched by male officers and left naked in a cell. Male officers haven't been allowed to ever carry out a cursory search of females for decades and have never been allowed to strip search under any circumstances. Every inch of a custody suite and cell area is covered by CCTV so it's impossible to understand why any officer would do that and if it was it would be easy to prove.

[_Os_]

GMP seems MET like in its problems, Channel 4 News has given it some coverage recently.

The common themes in the reporting are sexism within their own ranks and sexist power abuse against the public. The most recent one was routinely arresting women without any reason and abusing them (coincidently the ones prepared to go on camera weren't unattractive), in one case a woman reported a crime and when the police turned up they arrested her, all these women were stripped searched by groups of men and left fully naked in their cells. Another recent incident was a 6 year girl being sexually assaulted by an on duty policeman. Another one was detectives taking the side of an alleged rapist who had previous convictions for domestic abuse, after Burnham initiated a review the alleged rape victim was arrested but the charges were immediately dropped (it was an intimidation move).

Wouldn't be that surprising if they simply went wild.

I never come on here and defend the indefensible but I struggle to comprehend the claim that female prisoners were strip searched by male officers and left naked in a cell. Male officers haven't been allowed to ever carry out a cursory search of females for decades and have never been allowed to strip search under any circumstances. Every inch of a custody suite and cell area is covered by CCTV so it's impossible to understand why any officer would do that and if it was it would be easy to prove.

GMP didn't even keep a record of all the strip searches they carried out, it was routine power abuse. They didn't care if it was video recorded, because nothing was going to happen to them and nothing has, there's even video in this news segment.

[JM2K6]

Surprisingly thoughtful thread

[_Os_]

Blackmac, my memory was that news report showed a group of policeman conducting the strip search, watching again they're so blurred out it's impossible to know. I reckon you're correct on the sex of those who conduct the searches.

My memory is usually good though, so I Googled and this result came up. It's DM but again there is video. A man strip searched by GMP and fully naked paraded around the station and laughed at by the police. He has been arrested and strip searched multiple times and never charged:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ughed.html

[Raggs]

GMP statement suggests that 3 officers were assaulted with kicks and punches onto the ground. They were firearms officers, so there was a fear of their weapons being taken. Plenty enough reason to arrest those involved.

Officer stampy should be in a lot of trouble. Doesn't matter what's happened beforehand, kicking and stamping on a guy on the floor and being restrained is simply unacceptable.

[Sandstorm]

“Hey lads, heard you missed your flight to Benidorm. Crowdstrike related ?”
“Not exactly….”

[Uncle fester]

If history is a guide, then some of this will turn out to be untrue/exaggerated.

GMP released a statement after saying a female officer had been assaulted and had her nose broken. Armed officers were fearful for their weapons etc.

[Margin__Walker]

If history is a guide, then some of this will turn out to be untrue/exaggerated.

GMP released a statement after saying a female officer had been assaulted and had her nose broken. Armed officers were fearful for their weapons etc.

I think it's pretty likely that the female officer was assaulted and injured in that way whilst they were attempting an arrest.

Using the fear for their weapons as mitigation for the officer's actions that were on film is complete bullshit though. That officer isn't worried about weapon retention at that point. He's just looking to fill in the suspect.

[Paddington Bear]

If history is a guide, then some of this will turn out to be untrue/exaggerated.

GMP released a statement after saying a female officer had been assaulted and had her nose broken. Armed officers were fearful for their weapons etc.

You can see the officer is pretty badly hurt from the video, in fairness. I don’t think anyone here is claiming it as justification for the kick on the floor, but I don’t think we need to be pretending the arrested parties were innocent bystanders.

Essentially the police officer who kicked on the floor needs severe disciplinary action taken against him, anyone who broke a police officer’s nose should be prosecuted.

[_Os_]

If history is a guide, then some of this will turn out to be untrue/exaggerated.

GMP released a statement after saying a female officer had been assaulted and had her nose broken. Armed officers were fearful for their weapons etc.

You can see the officer is pretty badly hurt from the video, in fairness. I don’t think anyone here is claiming it as justification for the kick on the floor, but I don’t think we need to be pretending the arrested parties were innocent bystanders.

Essentially the police officer who kicked on the floor needs severe disciplinary action taken against him, anyone who broke a police officer’s nose should be prosecuted.

The problems start for GMP in how this all came about. The claim is the Asian family were victims of racist abuse backed off and someone called the police, GMP took the side of the alleged racist abusers and attempted to arrest the Asian family. That is when a fight broke out.

Nothing in the GMP statement contradicts that version of events.

Also a bit suspicious that GMP were trying to get rid of video and getting physical with bystanders filming. There is video of a bystander filming who is pepper sprayed taken to the ground and presumably arrested.

[Margin__Walker]

The problems start for GMP in how this all came about. The claim is the Asian family were victims of racist abuse backed off and someone called the police, GMP took the side of the alleged racist abusers and attempted to arrest the Asian family. That is when a fight broke out.

Nothing in the GMP statement contradicts that version of events.

Also a bit suspicious that GMP were trying to get rid of video and getting physical with bystanders filming. There is video of a bystander filming who is pepper sprayed taken to the ground and presumably arrested.

I'd take that with as big a grain of salt as the officer at the centre of this being fearful for his weapon when stamping on the lad's head.

[_Os_]

The problems start for GMP in how this all came about. The claim is the Asian family were victims of racist abuse backed off and someone called the police, GMP took the side of the alleged racist abusers and attempted to arrest the Asian family. That is when a fight broke out.

Nothing in the GMP statement contradicts that version of events.

Also a bit suspicious that GMP were trying to get rid of video and getting physical with bystanders filming. There is video of a bystander filming who is pepper sprayed taken to the ground and presumably arrested.

I'd take that with as big a grain of salt as the officer at the centre of this being fearful for his weapon when stamping on the lad's head.

Sure.

But the other version is a family presumably waiting to go on holiday, randomly turns into wild savages for no reason.

[Uncle fester]

The problems start for GMP in how this all came about. The claim is the Asian family were victims of racist abuse backed off and someone called the police, GMP took the side of the alleged racist abusers and attempted to arrest the Asian family. That is when a fight broke out.

Nothing in the GMP statement contradicts that version of events.

Also a bit suspicious that GMP were trying to get rid of video and getting physical with bystanders filming. There is video of a bystander filming who is pepper sprayed taken to the ground and presumably arrested.

I'd take that with as big a grain of salt as the officer at the centre of this being fearful for his weapon when stamping on the lad's head.

Sure.

But the other version is a family presumably waiting to go on holiday, randomly turns into wild savages for no reason.

They might have been dealing with Ryanair staff.

[inactionman]

I'd caveat my post by saying I've no idea what the precursors to all this were, and I expect stories will change.

I can understand the levels of reasonable force change when there's firearms involved - an attempt to wrestle someone who is trying to steal a wallet turns into a smack round the head if they're trying to get hands on a weapon - but it does appear he'd already subdued the threat before the kick.

I just had it in my head that appropriate levels of force go from 'just enough' to 'massively overwhelming' whenever there's guns or other lethal weapons, and I'm not sure where the threat actually de-escalates. I'd be interested in what policy and guidance says, as surely kicking someone who is flat out on the ground is unnecessary, despite previous perceived threat level.

It all looks pretty grim, but I sort of expected any such situation to look pretty grim.

I'm curious how opportunities for de-escalation were missed, under assumption that it wouldn't be that hard to point out to members of the public that pursuing a certain course of action ([getting into fights with armed police in an airport) would not be in their best interests, but again pure speculation on my part.

[Paddington Bear]

The problems start for GMP in how this all came about. The claim is the Asian family were victims of racist abuse backed off and someone called the police, GMP took the side of the alleged racist abusers and attempted to arrest the Asian family. That is when a fight broke out.

Nothing in the GMP statement contradicts that version of events.

Also a bit suspicious that GMP were trying to get rid of video and getting physical with bystanders filming. There is video of a bystander filming who is pepper sprayed taken to the ground and presumably arrested.

I'd take that with as big a grain of salt as the officer at the centre of this being fearful for his weapon when stamping on the lad's head.

Sure.

But the other version is a family presumably waiting to go on holiday, randomly turns into wild savages for no reason.

I think it is a generous explanation to suggest they were merely minding their own business before events forced them to break a police officer’s nose. If they were racially abused by another passenger (possible but there is mo evidence of this), they’d be justified in breaking that person’s nose not anyone else’s!

[I like neeps]

GMP statement suggests that 3 officers were assaulted with kicks and punches onto the ground. They were firearms officers, so there was a fear of their weapons being taken. Plenty enough reason to arrest those involved.

Officer stampy should be in a lot of trouble. Doesn't matter what's happened beforehand, kicking and stamping on a guy on the floor and being restrained is simply unacceptable.

At an airport as well. Not like there's any good time to assault a police officer, but I'd especially avoid it at an airport.

[Blackmac]

GMP seems MET like in its problems, Channel 4 News has given it some coverage recently.

The common themes in the reporting are sexism within their own ranks and sexist power abuse against the public. The most recent one was routinely arresting women without any reason and abusing them (coincidently the ones prepared to go on camera weren't unattractive), in one case a woman reported a crime and when the police turned up they arrested her, all these women were stripped searched by groups of men and left fully naked in their cells. Another recent incident was a 6 year girl being sexually assaulted by an on duty policeman. Another one was detectives taking the side of an alleged rapist who had previous convictions for domestic abuse, after Burnham initiated a review the alleged rape victim was arrested but the charges were immediately dropped (it was an intimidation move).

Wouldn't be that surprising if they simply went wild.

I never come on here and defend the indefensible but I struggle to comprehend the claim that female prisoners were strip searched by male officers and left naked in a cell. Male officers haven't been allowed to ever carry out a cursory search of females for decades and have never been allowed to strip search under any circumstances. Every inch of a custody suite and cell area is covered by CCTV so it's impossible to understand why any officer would do that and if it was it would be easy to prove.

GMP didn't even keep a record of all the strip searches they carried out, it was routine power abuse. They didn't care if it was video recorded, because nothing was going to happen to them and nothing has, there's even video in this news segment.

Astonishing if true. Custody is the highest risk and most heavily regulated area of policing. I had the misfortune to fall into a custody supervisors role for two years and it was horrendous. The level of oversight is astonishing. One of the most problematic areas was strip search authorisations that I had to provide and the justification process. It provided a few hours of fun paperwork. One thing I always did afterwards was personally speak to the prisoner to see if they had any complaints. Not about the search itself, because they were always pissed off about that, but about the way it was conducted. I remember one cop suggesting I was pandering to the prisoners and I had to point out to the dumb prick that I was protecting him.

[Paddington Bear]

GMP statement suggests that 3 officers were assaulted with kicks and punches onto the ground. They were firearms officers, so there was a fear of their weapons being taken. Plenty enough reason to arrest those involved.

Officer stampy should be in a lot of trouble. Doesn't matter what's happened beforehand, kicking and stamping on a guy on the floor and being restrained is simply unacceptable.

At an airport as well. Not like there's any good time to assault a police officer, but I'd especially avoid it at an airport.

Said above, but they have picked one of the only countries in the world where punching a police officer at an airport and making them fear for losing their weapon doesn’t result in them being killed

[_Os_]

I'd take that with as big a grain of salt as the officer at the centre of this being fearful for his weapon when stamping on the lad's head.

Sure.

But the other version is a family presumably waiting to go on holiday, randomly turns into wild savages for no reason.

I think it is a generous explanation to suggest they were merely minding their own business before events forced them to break a police officer’s nose. If they were racially abused by another passenger (possible but there is mo evidence of this), they’d be justified in breaking that person’s nose not anyone else’s!

The police aren't normal members of the public. If they intervene in a situation and escalate it into a fight ending up head stomping someone prostrate on the ground, then target the bystanders videoing it all, it should matter if it's (another) case of GMP massively abusing their power. Strange also if no one asks "the GMP statement says they intervened in an incident, what was the nature of the incident? What choices did GMP take? If GMP defends this level of force, what brought about the occasion to make it necessary?".

Can't see how breaking anyone's nose is justified whatever the circumstances (does your argument that it's justified to bop a racist's nose actually work?). But worth pointing out what anyone who has been in a brawl knows, an injury existing doesn't automatically mean the other side inflicted it, an overzealous friend can be a liability.

[Raggs]

Just seen a video that suggests the guys have already been released, and that they had to make their own way to hospital (suggesting released really not long after). That looks wrong to me? If these guys have just put 1-3 police in hospital, and broken a nose, then they surely shouldn't be out and about that quickly?

[Sandstorm]

Stampy had already been suspended by GMP, so they are taking his actions seriously.

[SaintK]

The cunts in Reform think the actions of the GMP officers was "reasssuring"
Lee Anderthal went a bit further and said the police officers involved should receive medals!!!

[tabascoboy]

The cunts in Reform think the actions of the GMP officers was "reasssuring"
Lee Anderthal went a bit further and said the police officers involved should receive medals!!!

Right-wingers in preferring a police force without oversight shocker!

[Paddington Bear]

Sure.

But the other version is a family presumably waiting to go on holiday, randomly turns into wild savages for no reason.

I think it is a generous explanation to suggest they were merely minding their own business before events forced them to break a police officer’s nose. If they were racially abused by another passenger (possible but there is mo evidence of this), they’d be justified in breaking that person’s nose not anyone else’s!

The police aren't normal members of the public. If they intervene in a situation and escalate it into a fight ending up head stomping someone prostrate on the ground, then target the bystanders videoing it all, it should matter if it's (another) case of GMP massively abusing their power. Strange also if no one asks "the GMP statement says they intervened in an incident, what was the nature of the incident? What choices did GMP take? If GMP defends this level of force, what brought about the occasion to make it necessary?".

Can't see how breaking anyone's nose is justified whatever the circumstances (does your argument that it's justified to bop a racist's nose actually work?). But worth pointing out what anyone who has been in a brawl knows, an injury existing doesn't automatically mean the other side inflicted it, an overzealous friend can be a liability.

I’ll be honest - I don’t quite get the point you’re making/how it relates to prior posts. People who *it seems likely* broke a a police officer’s nose should not be taken at face value without supporting evidence

[_Os_]

I think it is a generous explanation to suggest they were merely minding their own business before events forced them to break a police officer’s nose. If they were racially abused by another passenger (possible but there is mo evidence of this), they’d be justified in breaking that person’s nose not anyone else’s!

The police aren't normal members of the public. If they intervene in a situation and escalate it into a fight ending up head stomping someone prostrate on the ground, then target the bystanders videoing it all, it should matter if it's (another) case of GMP massively abusing their power. Strange also if no one asks "the GMP statement says they intervened in an incident, what was the nature of the incident? What choices did GMP take? If GMP defends this level of force, what brought about the occasion to make it necessary?".

Can't see how breaking anyone's nose is justified whatever the circumstances (does your argument that it's justified to bop a racist's nose actually work?). But worth pointing out what anyone who has been in a brawl knows, an injury existing doesn't automatically mean the other side inflicted it, an overzealous friend can be a liability.

I’ll be honest - I don’t quite get the point you’re making/how it relates to prior posts. People who *it seems likely* broke a a police officer’s nose should not be taken at face value without supporting evidence

Seems obvious enough what point I'm making, GMP are dodgy. I've posted links from both Channel 4 News and the Daily Mail. Take your pick of the Channel 4 News strip search story, or the Daily Mail parading a guy naked around the station and laughing at him story, all involved innocent people who were not charged. A left wing and a right wing source to choose from, both from this month and not old news.

They seem wildly out of control.

[Paddington Bear]

The police aren't normal members of the public. If they intervene in a situation and escalate it into a fight ending up head stomping someone prostrate on the ground, then target the bystanders videoing it all, it should matter if it's (another) case of GMP massively abusing their power. Strange also if no one asks "the GMP statement says they intervened in an incident, what was the nature of the incident? What choices did GMP take? If GMP defends this level of force, what brought about the occasion to make it necessary?".

Can't see how breaking anyone's nose is justified whatever the circumstances (does your argument that it's justified to bop a racist's nose actually work?). But worth pointing out what anyone who has been in a brawl knows, an injury existing doesn't automatically mean the other side inflicted it, an overzealous friend can be a liability.

I’ll be honest - I don’t quite get the point you’re making/how it relates to prior posts. People who *it seems likely* broke a a police officer’s nose should not be taken at face value without supporting evidence

Seems obvious enough what point I'm making, GMP are dodgy. I've posted links from both Channel 4 News and the Daily Mail. Take your pick of the Channel 4 News strip search story, or the Daily Mail parading a guy naked around the station and laughing at him story, all involved innocent people who were not charged. A left wing and a right wing source to choose from, both from this month and not old news.

They seem wildly out of control.

That’s fine, not relevant to whether or not to take the arrested men at face value.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

They seem wildly out of control.

Given they likely employ thousands of officers the idea two incidents shows they'e wildly out of control seems odd. Certainly this latest shows a need for more training, or at least it's har to see how it can be rationalised. But isolated incidents should be treated in a manner that doesn't inflame a reaction making their job harder.

[_Os_]

That’s fine, not relevant to whether or not to take the arrested men at face value.

Their only statement is that they were assaulted by the police. We've seen the video and you seem to agree that is the case?

Given they likely employ thousands of officers the idea two incidents shows they'e wildly out of control seems odd. Certainly this latest shows a need for more training, or at least it's har to see how it can be rationalised. But isolated incidents should be treated in a manner that doesn't inflame a reaction making their job harder.

Read Blackmac's post about what should happen when people are arrested, then watch the Channel 4 News clip and read the Daily Mail article. Then try to reconcile that with it the idea GMP is basically all good. GMP has only recently moved out of special measures.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

That’s fine, not relevant to whether or not to take the arrested men at face value.

Their only statement is that they were assaulted by the police. We've seen the video and you seem to agree that is the case?

Given they likely employ thousands of officers the idea two incidents shows they'e wildly out of control seems odd. Certainly this latest shows a need for more training, or at least it's har to see how it can be rationalised. But isolated incidents should be treated in a manner that doesn't inflame a reaction making their job harder.

Read Blackmac's post about what should happen when people are arrested, then watch the Channel 4 News clip and read the Daily Mail article. Then try to reconcile that with it the idea GMP is basically all good. GMP has only recently moved out of special measures.

There is something of a gulf between all good and out of control. Oaky my bias sees me wanting to side with the police, but whilst reform is clearly needed that's easier, imo, if not stocking an anti-Police narrative

[I like neeps]

Just seen a video that suggests the guys have already been released, and that they had to make their own way to hospital (suggesting released really not long after). That looks wrong to me? If these guys have just put 1-3 police in hospital, and broken a nose, then they surely shouldn't be out and about that quickly?

They were arrested and bailed for assault and affray. Blackmac can tell us but breaking someone's nose is gbh no?

[Paddington Bear]

That’s fine, not relevant to whether or not to take the arrested men at face value.

Their only statement is that they were assaulted by the police. We've seen the video and you seem to agree that is the case?

Given they likely employ thousands of officers the idea two incidents shows they'e wildly out of control seems odd. Certainly this latest shows a need for more training, or at least it's har to see how it can be rationalised. But isolated incidents should be treated in a manner that doesn't inflame a reaction making their job harder.

Read Blackmac's post about what should happen when people are arrested, then watch the Channel 4 News clip and read the Daily Mail article. Then try to reconcile that with it the idea GMP is basically all good. GMP has only recently moved out of special measures.

You started off by saying that they were racially abused and the police took the side of the abuser. There is no evidence for that at the moment

[_Os_]

That’s fine, not relevant to whether or not to take the arrested men at face value.

Their only statement is that they were assaulted by the police. We've seen the video and you seem to agree that is the case?

Given they likely employ thousands of officers the idea two incidents shows they'e wildly out of control seems odd. Certainly this latest shows a need for more training, or at least it's har to see how it can be rationalised. But isolated incidents should be treated in a manner that doesn't inflame a reaction making their job harder.

Read Blackmac's post about what should happen when people are arrested, then watch the Channel 4 News clip and read the Daily Mail article. Then try to reconcile that with it the idea GMP is basically all good. GMP has only recently moved out of special measures.

You started off by saying that they were racially abused and the police took the side of the abuser. There is no evidence for that at the moment

That is one version of what happened that's out there. Not the same as taking "the arrested men at face value", as far as I know all they've said is that they were assaulted by the police, so that's all there is from them to take at face value.

I only posted the version that's out there because it didn't contradict the GMP statement. It's basically being reported that this all came from nowhere and suddenly "they were going for our guns!", seems a bit of a stretch.

[Uncle fester]

The cunts in Reform think the actions of the GMP officers was "reasssuring"
Lee Anderthal went a bit further and said the police officers involved should receive medals!!!

What's the betting their tune would change if the stomped guy was white?

[inactionman]

The cunts in Reform think the actions of the GMP officers was "reasssuring"
Lee Anderthal went a bit further and said the police officers involved should receive medals!!!

What's the betting their tune would change if the stomped guy was white?

I think the bigot's stock answer would be 'whites don't do these sorts of things'.

It says something when Farage isn't the most awful person within a political party.

[Guy Smiley]

Apparently, the victim / violent aggressor / terrorist who was kicked by the officer / man of peace / protector of weapons has an older brother who...

is an officer in the GMP.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/man-who- ... s-13184813

Mr Yakoob then said the family are "traumatised" and shared that Fahir's older brother works as a police officer for Greater Manchester Police, who is now "afraid to go to work".

He added: "He went in today and spoke to his supervisor, and the only reason he is not going to work is because he is fearing for his own safety."

[fishfoodie]

GMP statement suggests that 3 officers were assaulted with kicks and punches onto the ground. They were firearms officers, so there was a fear of their weapons being taken. Plenty enough reason to arrest those involved.

Officer stampy should be in a lot of trouble. Doesn't matter what's happened beforehand, kicking and stamping on a guy on the floor and being restrained is simply unacceptable.

Any Police Officer should be able to restrain themselves, even if one of their Colleagues is injured; & that goes double or triple for a firearms Officer, who if they haven't the emotional control necessary to do so, should have their certification removed immediately !!

As for women not being able to perform certain tasks, because their male colleagues might perform differently as a result; again because of emotional, or plain Victorian attitudes, well the Israelis have had women in the armed forces for years, & they work in all levels of security & it's not a problem, because it's beaten into both sexes that they're equal, & no one is going to come to their rescue.

I used to occasionally get chastised by women for hold doors, or lifts for them; then one heavily pregnant woman did it to me, because I held lift doors for her, & I smiled & said it was just the lift doors, but if someone started shooting I'd be pressing the other button & leaving her to her own defenses

I like to think I'm not a complete caveman, & can be a little bit chivalrous, & at the same time a cold hearted bar steward if needs be.

[Slick]

I'm guessing 2 of those officers are fine and the 'hospital treatment' thing is a formality for any bumps and bruises sustained in an incident like that. Certainly only the female officer on the video looked visibly injured.

Honestly, no matter how much of a piece of shit the guy they were trying to arrest is, you can't stamp on his head when he's subdued and the threat is over. That's not policing

Oh well, as long as you are guessing they are fine after being attacked doing their job. Bumps and bruises. Just one looking Visibly injured. All good

Honestly didn't post this looking for a fight, so will call it a night. If it turns out either of the other two had significant injuries, I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong.

You've got a bunch of police doing a decent job in that video and one guy who's completely lost his head and caused a shit load of reputational damage for the GMP and probably ensured that the prick in question doesn't end up being convicted.

On reflection, it was a bit over the top