GMP - Manchester Airport

[lemonhead]

I've been reading this response a lot - "they were lucky they weren't killed instantly for reacting against police officers"

I'm very glad that isn't the normal outcome in that situation in the UK, we should protect that, it's very important.

- and for the police officers too

Agreed, but I think we should appreciate that though and realise the pressure this puts officers under and in general admire the restraint it takes rather than focusing in too much on the odd poor reaction which ultimately did little or no damage. In many many countries around the world, this is ending fatally for this two lads and not an eyebrow would be raised

In many, many countries around the world, this would NOT result in fatals for the perpetrators. It's a terrible line to try and use in justifying anything.

Both arguments are true. The lads are however still breathing and able to engage with the media about being 'traumatised' by the whole affair.

Those countries that practice more of a warning shot or three to the head wouldn't have this extended media coverage. Both would be toe tagged and forgotten about within weeks.

Funnily enough I'm also against police brutality, but sub yourself in that situation before crying foul. Most of us would be scared shitless and looking for a way (any way) to shut it down.

[Guy Smiley]

Funnily enough I'm also against police brutality, but sub yourself in that situation before crying foul. Most of us would be scared shitless and looking for a way (any way) to shut it down.

Yeah... I agree.

Let's acknowledge though, that in this situation two female police officers (apparently too weak or frail to really be in a frontline position according to some) after being punched in the head, managed to maintain composure enough to taser one guy (I'm pretty sure that's why old mate falls flat down before being kicked) and avoid the danger of having one of their boots contact the bloke's head.

[Tichtheid]

I do not agree that these guys are lucky they are not dead.

That's the start of the argument that leads to a US style gun culture - the police are armed so the criminals arm themselves, their whole argument is that the individual has a right to defend themselves against the state and the actors for the state.

The UK laws are not the result of luck.

[_Os_]

I mean if this was one of those drunken brawls in town on a Saturday night this situation would make a lot more sense. I just can't even begin to fathom how crazy you would have to be to cause a ruckus in an airport.

When I enter an airport I just have to put myself in the mindset that I really have no power. If I want to get safely to my destination I need to comply with all the security and airline professionals trying to do their job even if I find some of their directives irritating. Actually fighting armed police officers? Utterly batshit.

It's intriguing.

The lawyer has claimed something close to what I saw on Twitter days back that the mother took racist abuse on her flight from another group (doesn't look like there's direct flights from Pakistan to Manchester, would've stopped somewhere). When she landed family collecting her took exception to this.

The initial GMP statements didn't contradict that as a possibility (they did contradict other versions of what happened, Reform MP saying they may have had grenades etc, something like that would've been mentioned). Also tallies with Blackmac's post that the police want witnesses to other incidents on a flight and at the airport.

Could be rubbish, but it fits a trait of British Muslims (ethnic Pakistani) that if one of them is wronged brothers/uncles/cousins descend on the perceived wrong doer, in the instances I know of only one actually wanted the police involved afterwards (he was left with brain damage). If that's what happened (allegedly etc etc), not convinced that reason/excuse is going to get them very far, someone being racist doesn't make them fair game for physical attack.

[Blackmac]

I've been reading this response a lot - "they were lucky they weren't killed instantly for reacting against police officers"

I'm very glad that isn't the normal outcome in that situation in the UK, we should protect that, it's very important.

- and for the police officers too

Agreed, but I think we should appreciate that though and realise the pressure this puts officers under and in general admire the restraint it takes rather than focusing in too much on the odd poor reaction which ultimately did little or no damage. In many many countries around the world, this is ending fatally for this two lads and not an eyebrow would be raised

In many, many countries around the world, this would NOT result in fatals for the perpetrators. It's a terrible line to try and use in justifying anything.

At what point did I attempt to use that line to justify it. You really have a terrible habit of misinterpreting people's comments. I'm just pointing out that people need to appreciate just how mildly UK police deal with these type of situations compared with other law enforcement around the world, yes there is the odd aberration but on the whole they show incredible restraint and professionalism. And if you try to argue that, you are really taking the piss.

[Blackmac]

I've been reading this response a lot - "they were lucky they weren't killed instantly for reacting against police officers"

I'm very glad that isn't the normal outcome in that situation in the UK, we should protect that, it's very important.

- and for the police officers too

Agreed, but I think we should appreciate that though and realise the pressure this puts officers under and in general admire the restraint it takes rather than focusing in too much on the odd poor reaction which ultimately did little or no damage. In many many countries around the world, this is ending fatally for this two lads and not an eyebrow would be raised

This time, so far it did no damage that we know of, but remember the guy who was pushed to the ground in London by a police officer at a march and subsequently died?

Most of the officers in that extended video looked like they acted professionally, one really didn't.

Blindsiding a guy with four or five punches to the head can also prove fatal. Let's face it there was far greater degrees of violence used against the police than the police used against the perpetrators.
I would say that 95% of what that officer did in that video was incredibly professional and competent, 5% maybe or maybe not, but given the level of violence he had been subjected too, more and more understandable.

[Tichtheid]

Agreed, but I think we should appreciate that though and realise the pressure this puts officers under and in general admire the restraint it takes rather than focusing in too much on the odd poor reaction which ultimately did little or no damage. In many many countries around the world, this is ending fatally for this two lads and not an eyebrow would be raised

This time, so far it did no damage that we know of, but remember the guy who was pushed to the ground in London by a police officer at a march and subsequently died?

Most of the officers in that extended video looked like they acted professionally, one really didn't.

Blindsiding a guy with four or five punches to the head can also prove fatal. Let's face it there was far greater degrees of violence used against the police than the police used against the perpetrators.
I would say that 95% of what that officer did in that video was incredibly professional and competent, 5% maybe or maybe not, but given the level of violence he had been subjected too, more and more understandable.

The guy is on the floor and his arms go flat to his sides - that looks like electric shock, ie he is tasered and lying flat out on the ground, completely at the mercy of anyone around him.

That's when he gets kicked in the face, has his head stamped on and is subject to a knee drop to the kidneys - he doesn't attempt to defend himself during this

Is any of that controversial?

[Glaston]

The brawl is over and the guy is prostrate on the ground and presumably tazered. The vid BnM posted cuts before the head stomping which doesn't allow time to be accurately gauged.

Still looks like assault, the only purpose head stomping serves after the fact is to injure him.

The vid does show something I said up thread that anyone who has been in a brawl knows. Sometimes people on your side can be a liability and injuries you think come from the other side were instead inflicted by members of your side, pretty sure looking at that the mother was injured by one of the sons.

That's easy to say from the comfort of your couch when you have not had someone punch you a few times to the back of your head and try to chokehold you.

It looks like the cop takes a second to assess the situation when he gets to his feet. The lad looks towards him and the cop thinks fuck that I'm not giving you the opportunity. You already tried once and I'm surrounded by your mates. It's hard to subdue someone without injuring them!!
Cops are entitled to use what would otherwise be considered criminal force in violent situations.

Tommy Twelve Names (today he is supporting the police) has put up a slightly longer video that includes the first kick. The policeman who does the head stomping is also the one who threw the first punch when the brother who didn't like the other brother (who ends up head stomped) being arrested intervenes by grabbing the policeman's arm/shoulder and gets a punch for his troubles, after which the brawl ensues. That looks justifiable from the policeman to me, grabbing anyone isn't a good move, even less so a policeman.

Kicking a prone man in the head? Nah can't see how that's defence. The time gap isn't large, it is seconds, his only defence is that the brawl was still ongoing. I mean it wasn't ongoing, but that's what I would be going with.

Still not known what started all this. The lawyer is now going with the version I saw on Twitter which seemed the more likely of the versions floating around (they weren't passengers so all the stuff about refusing to be strip searched doesn't seem likely).

Reports of an incident in T 2 baggage hall of Qatar flight
Followed by reports of a violent incident at T2 Starbucks
Violent attack on police at T2 car park ticket machines

Wonder if there is a link ?

[Paddington Bear]

Grimly predictable that after playing the victim footage would emerge of them going Rambo on the police to start the scuffle

[Blackmac]

This time, so far it did no damage that we know of, but remember the guy who was pushed to the ground in London by a police officer at a march and subsequently died?

Most of the officers in that extended video looked like they acted professionally, one really didn't.

Blindsiding a guy with four or five punches to the head can also prove fatal. Let's face it there was far greater degrees of violence used against the police than the police used against the perpetrators.
I would say that 95% of what that officer did in that video was incredibly professional and competent, 5% maybe or maybe not, but given the level of violence he had been subjected too, more and more understandable.

The guy is on the floor and his arms go flat to his sides - that looks like electric shock, ie he is tasered and lying flat out on the ground, completely at the mercy of anyone around him.

That's when he gets kicked in the face, has his head stamped on and is subject to a knee drop to the kidneys - he doesn't attempt to defend himself during this

Is any of that controversial?

No one has argued that it isn't controversial but you seem completely blinded to the level of violence these officers and by all accounts other officers and members of the public have been subjected to that provides context to the level of violence used to subdue them. You don't concede that anything they did was wrong and anything the police did was right.

Could half a dozen punches to the back of someone's head proved any less likely to seriously injure someone than a clearly pulled kick to a head. Yes, No.??

Critics line yourself and Guy will be equally as bloody unhappy when you have a completely ineffective police force unwilling to engage in any violent situation. It's a fucking dirty and difficult job that the majority of armchair critics would piss their pants doing.

[Blackmac]

That's easy to say from the comfort of your couch when you have not had someone punch you a few times to the back of your head and try to chokehold you.

It looks like the cop takes a second to assess the situation when he gets to his feet. The lad looks towards him and the cop thinks fuck that I'm not giving you the opportunity. You already tried once and I'm surrounded by your mates. It's hard to subdue someone without injuring them!!
Cops are entitled to use what would otherwise be considered criminal force in violent situations.

Tommy Twelve Names (today he is supporting the police) has put up a slightly longer video that includes the first kick. The policeman who does the head stomping is also the one who threw the first punch when the brother who didn't like the other brother (who ends up head stomped) being arrested intervenes by grabbing the policeman's arm/shoulder and gets a punch for his troubles, after which the brawl ensues. That looks justifiable from the policeman to me, grabbing anyone isn't a good move, even less so a policeman.

Kicking a prone man in the head? Nah can't see how that's defence. The time gap isn't large, it is seconds, his only defence is that the brawl was still ongoing. I mean it wasn't ongoing, but that's what I would be going with.

Still not known what started all this. The lawyer is now going with the version I saw on Twitter which seemed the more likely of the versions floating around (they weren't passengers so all the stuff about refusing to be strip searched doesn't seem likely).

Reports of an incident in T 2 baggage hall of Qatar flight
Followed by reports of a violent incident at T2 Starbucks
Violent attack on police at T2 car park ticket machines

Wonder if there is a link ?

But, but, but the police!!!

[Guy Smiley]

Critics line yourself and Guy will be equally as bloody unhappy when you have a completely ineffective police force unwilling to engage in any violent situation. It's a fucking dirty and difficult job that the majority of armchair critics would piss their pants doing.

You've got no idea what I or anyone else would say.

You're allowing your emotions to colour your judgement. Perhaps you're about to lose control. Maybe you want to kick one of us in the head?

While we lie face down, having been subdued already.

Please step back from making personal allegations, name calling is one thing, but insinuating another bored member would do something like this is another, and beyond what is acceptable here. I am asking politely, i might not be so polite next time

[Blackmac]

Critics line yourself and Guy will be equally as bloody unhappy when you have a completely ineffective police force unwilling to engage in any violent situation. It's a fucking dirty and difficult job that the majority of armchair critics would piss their pants doing.

You've got no idea what I or anyone else would say.

You're allowing your emotions to colour your judgement. Perhaps you're about to lose control. Maybe you want to kick one of us in the head?

While we lie face down, having been subdued already.

You are totally fucking out of order you piece of shit. You can be a real small, nasty wee cunt when you are challenged.

[Margin__Walker]

Yeah, bit of a cunty post that Guy.

[Guy Smiley]

Critics line yourself and Guy will be equally as bloody unhappy when you have a completely ineffective police force unwilling to engage in any violent situation. It's a fucking dirty and difficult job that the majority of armchair critics would piss their pants doing.

You've got no idea what I or anyone else would say.

You're allowing your emotions to colour your judgement. Perhaps you're about to lose control. Maybe you want to kick one of us in the head?

While we lie face down, having been subdued already.

You are totally fucking out of order you piece of shit. You can be a real small, nasty wee cunt when you are challenged.

Fuck off, I'm challenging you and you are frothing.

All Tichtheid and I have argued is the action of the copper laying in the boot. Most of you in this thread have agreed that that was out of order. neither one of us has tried to condone the actions of the guys who have been arrested. The story is still unfolding and information continues to come to light.

In addition to this, there's the background Os has provided regarding the reputation of the GMP. Several in the thread agree that they seem ... there are varying degrees of unsavoury descriptions being shared. It seems fair to bear that in mind...


you've even agreed with some of that yourself. Yet here we are... you going off the handle because I have questioned your 'authority' and not for the first time, you don't like that.

So again... politely, fuck you.

[SaintK]

This fucking dodgy lawyer Yakoob is stirring it up big time. Probably sees a major financial settlement from GMP somewhere down the line.
His brother is an active political agitator and was front and centre of the abuse that Labour candidates faced in constituencies with high numbers of Muslim voters during the election.

[_Os_]

Nah come on Smiler.

Seems fair enough for Blackmac to defend the policeman, he didn't initially but is now because in his view it was in the heat of the moment. Seems fair enough to disagree as well. It was never the case that the those being arrested were angels, so anyone that thought the head stomp was wrong aren't likely to change their mind.

I did wonder about how the brawl started etc and if GMP went in heavy handed given their recent reputation. It's clear from the vid the one brother started it by grabbing the policeman making the arrest of the other brother, which was returned with a punch (not completely clear as Blackmac says, but that's my best shot at it). In other words the police acted completely reasonably when making the arrest.

Should be able to discuss things without insults and point scoring, should be able to change your mind too.

[Blackmac]

You've got no idea what I or anyone else would say.

You're allowing your emotions to colour your judgement. Perhaps you're about to lose control. Maybe you want to kick one of us in the head?

While we lie face down, having been subdued already.

You are totally fucking out of order you piece of shit. You can be a real small, nasty wee cunt when you are challenged.

Fuck off, I'm challenging you and you are frothing.

All Tichtheid and I have argued is the action of the copper laying in the boot. Most of you in this thread have agreed that that was out of order. neither one of us has tried to condone the actions of the guys who have been arrested. The story is still unfolding and information continues to come to light.

In addition to this, there's the background Os has provided regarding the reputation of the GMP. Several in the thread agree that they seem ... there are varying degrees of unsavoury descriptions being shared. It seems fair to bear that in mind...


you've even agreed with some of that yourself. Yet here we are... you going off the handle because I have questioned your 'authority' and not for the first time, you don't like that.

So again... politely, fuck you.

You are not challenging anything , just making completely out order allegations about my character. Nothing you said in your pathetic little post challenged anything I have said, as usual you just attacked the man not the post which is your usual MO. When people are having a reasonable debate and you start that shit people are entitied to get pissed off.

[SaintK]

Nah come on Smiler.

Seems fair enough for Blackmac to defend the policeman, he didn't initially but is now because in his view it was in the heat of the moment. Seems fair enough to disagree as well. It was never the case that the those being arrested were angels, so anyone that thought the head stomp was wrong aren't likely to change their mind.

I did wonder about how the brawl started etc and if GMP went in heavy handed given their recent reputation. It's clear from the vid the one brother started it by grabbing the policeman making the arrest of the other brother, which was returned with a punch (not completely clear as Blackmac says, but that's my best shot at it). In other words the police acted completely reasonably when making the arrest.

Should be able to discuss things without insults and point scoring, should be able to change your mind too.

Quite!
Otherwise we end up down a PR type rabbit hole

[Openside]

I'm very much in Slicks corner with my overall thoughts that these sort of pricks need a good kicking, but I really can't see how that could possibly be justified in any circumstances. He will likely lose his job at least and has totally fucked any chance of those scumbags getting convicted of assaulting the female officers.

New footage has emerged that show him getting no less than he deserves!!

[Blackmac]

I'm very much in Slicks corner with my overall thoughts that these sort of pricks need a good kicking, but I really can't see how that could possibly be justified in any circumstances. He will likely lose his job at least and has totally fucked any chance of those scumbags getting convicted of assaulting the female officers.

New footage has emerged that show him getting no less than he deserves!!

Yeah, definitely shows his actions in a different light. He will still have questions to answer but I think any half decent lawyer makes a very good case for his actions and the court of public opinion has clearly swung very much in his favour.

[Monk]

All I will say is that one would want to be 100% sure the little bastard is completely decommissioned and not playing possum

[TedMaul]

Think you’re picking a worse fight than the bloke on the floor Guy. Pecking away at a bloke who actually lives here and did that specific job. If this kicked off I wouldn’t care if he stabbed the bloke through the head, just decapacite him as you can. My liberal values allow this with absolute ease.

[Paddington Bear]

This fucking dodgy lawyer Yakoob is stirring it up big time. Probably sees a major financial settlement from GMP somewhere down the line.
His brother is an active political agitator and was front and centre of the abuse that Labour candidates faced in constituencies with high numbers of Muslim voters during the election.

Yakoob is a grifter with a complex relationship with the truth. The family have been very very silly instructing him, particularly as they had to know the circumstances that gave rise to being kicked on the floor were going to come out sooner rather than later.

[Jock42]

Critics line yourself and Guy will be equally as bloody unhappy when you have a completely ineffective police force unwilling to engage in any violent situation. It's a fucking dirty and difficult job that the majority of armchair critics would piss their pants doing.

You've got no idea what I or anyone else would say.

You're allowing your emotions to colour your judgement. Perhaps you're about to lose control. Maybe you want to kick one of us in the head?

While we lie face down, having been subdued already.

Please step back from making personal allegations, name calling is one thing, but insinuating another bored member would do something like this is another, and beyond what is acceptable here. I am asking politely, i might not be so polite next time

Get a grip of yourself.

[inactionman]

This fucking dodgy lawyer Yakoob is stirring it up big time. Probably sees a major financial settlement from GMP somewhere down the line.
His brother is an active political agitator and was front and centre of the abuse that Labour candidates faced in constituencies with high numbers of Muslim voters during the election.

Christ. That's just what the situation needs - can't see him letting it all settle down to a sensible resolution.

[Blackmac]

Critics line yourself and Guy will be equally as bloody unhappy when you have a completely ineffective police force unwilling to engage in any violent situation. It's a fucking dirty and difficult job that the majority of armchair critics would piss their pants doing.

You've got no idea what I or anyone else would say.

You're allowing your emotions to colour your judgement. Perhaps you're about to lose control. Maybe you want to kick one of us in the head?

While we lie face down, having been subdued already.

Please step back from making personal allegations, name calling is one thing, but insinuating another bored member would do something like this is another, and beyond what is acceptable here. I am asking politely, i might not be so polite next time

Get a grip of yourself.

I'm over it. Definitely touched a nerve. Mainly as I know I am definitely not that type.

[Tichtheid]

Blindsiding a guy with four or five punches to the head can also prove fatal. Let's face it there was far greater degrees of violence used against the police than the police used against the perpetrators.
I would say that 95% of what that officer did in that video was incredibly professional and competent, 5% maybe or maybe not, but given the level of violence he had been subjected too, more and more understandable.

The guy is on the floor and his arms go flat to his sides - that looks like electric shock, ie he is tasered and lying flat out on the ground, completely at the mercy of anyone around him.

That's when he gets kicked in the face, has his head stamped on and is subject to a knee drop to the kidneys - he doesn't attempt to defend himself during this

Is any of that controversial?

No one has argued that it isn't controversial but you seem completely blinded to the level of violence these officers and by all accounts other officers and members of the public have been subjected to that provides context to the level of violence used to subdue them. You don't concede that anything they did was wrong and anything the police did was right.

Could half a dozen punches to the back of someone's head proved any less likely to seriously injure someone than a clearly pulled kick to a head. Yes, No.??

Critics line yourself and Guy will be equally as bloody unhappy when you have a completely ineffective police force unwilling to engage in any violent situation. It's a fucking dirty and difficult job that the majority of armchair critics would piss their pants doing.

You'll have to show me where I said or alluded to any of that. I said at least once, possibly twice, on this thread that most of the police action was professional.

What I'm arguing is that in the act of kicking the prostrate guy in the face, then stamping on his head before doing the knee drop on his back, the officer has lost control of himself and acted unprofessionally.

It seems I'm not alone in thinking this - the police themselves agree

The officer facing a criminal investigation was also served with a disciplinary notice to inform him he was being investigated for potential gross misconduct for a number of alleged breaches of police professional standards, including his use of force, an IOPC spokesperson said.

For the record, I support the police use of proportional force, up to and including lethal force when necessary. I would hope that at each level the officer using force would do so professionally and be in control of their temper and emotions.
I'm not naïve enough to think that police officers are automatons who can't lose their tempers, but there are consequences for them losing control

[Biffer]

You've got no idea what I or anyone else would say.

You're allowing your emotions to colour your judgement. Perhaps you're about to lose control. Maybe you want to kick one of us in the head?

While we lie face down, having been subdued already.

You are totally fucking out of order you piece of shit. You can be a real small, nasty wee cunt when you are challenged.

Fuck off, I'm challenging you and you are frothing.

All Tichtheid and I have argued is the action of the copper laying in the boot. Most of you in this thread have agreed that that was out of order. neither one of us has tried to condone the actions of the guys who have been arrested. The story is still unfolding and information continues to come to light.

In addition to this, there's the background Os has provided regarding the reputation of the GMP. Several in the thread agree that they seem ... there are varying degrees of unsavoury descriptions being shared. It seems fair to bear that in mind...


you've even agreed with some of that yourself. Yet here we are... you going off the handle because I have questioned your 'authority' and not for the first time, you don't like that.

So again... politely, fuck you.

Bang out of order. You insiuated Blackmac was the type of cop to put the boot into someone when they're down. That's not OK.

[I like neeps]

Seeing the video it really does show the state of our prison overcrowding that's the guys got bailed.

[Blackmac]

The guy is on the floor and his arms go flat to his sides - that looks like electric shock, ie he is tasered and lying flat out on the ground, completely at the mercy of anyone around him.

That's when he gets kicked in the face, has his head stamped on and is subject to a knee drop to the kidneys - he doesn't attempt to defend himself during this

Is any of that controversial?

No one has argued that it isn't controversial but you seem completely blinded to the level of violence these officers and by all accounts other officers and members of the public have been subjected to that provides context to the level of violence used to subdue them. You don't concede that anything they did was wrong and anything the police did was right.

Could half a dozen punches to the back of someone's head proved any less likely to seriously injure someone than a clearly pulled kick to a head. Yes, No.??

Critics line yourself and Guy will be equally as bloody unhappy when you have a completely ineffective police force unwilling to engage in any violent situation. It's a fucking dirty and difficult job that the majority of armchair critics would piss their pants doing.

You'll have to show me where I said or alluded to any of that. I said at least once, possibly twice, on this thread that most of the police action was professional.

What I'm arguing is that in the act of kicking the prostrate guy in the face, then stamping on his head before doing the knee drop on his back, the officer has lost control of himself and acted unprofessionally.

It seems I'm not alone in thinking this - the police themselves agree

The officer facing a criminal investigation was also served with a disciplinary notice to inform him he was being investigated for potential gross misconduct for a number of alleged breaches of police professional standards, including his use of force, an IOPC spokesperson said.

For the record, I support the police use of proportional force, up to and including lethal force when necessary. I would hope that at each level the officer using force would do so professionally and be in control of their temper and emotions.
I'm not naïve enough to think that police officers are automatons who can't lose their tempers, but there are consequences for them losing control

Fair enough. We will leave it at that. As for the disciplinary forms, standard procedure when any complaint is made against an officer and purely to inform them a complaint has been made, the nature of it and inform them of their rights.

[Hugo]

Seeing the video it really does show the state of our prison overcrowding that's the guys got bailed.

I wonder if that's more of a political than judicial decision based on the outcry from the original video and the demonstrations at the police station?

[Jockaline]

The guy is on the floor and his arms go flat to his sides - that looks like electric shock, ie he is tasered and lying flat out on the ground, completely at the mercy of anyone around him.

That's when he gets kicked in the face, has his head stamped on and is subject to a knee drop to the kidneys - he doesn't attempt to defend himself during this

Is any of that controversial?

No one has argued that it isn't controversial but you seem completely blinded to the level of violence these officers and by all accounts other officers and members of the public have been subjected to that provides context to the level of violence used to subdue them. You don't concede that anything they did was wrong and anything the police did was right.

Could half a dozen punches to the back of someone's head proved any less likely to seriously injure someone than a clearly pulled kick to a head. Yes, No.??

Critics line yourself and Guy will be equally as bloody unhappy when you have a completely ineffective police force unwilling to engage in any violent situation. It's a fucking dirty and difficult job that the majority of armchair critics would piss their pants doing.

You'll have to show me where I said or alluded to any of that. I said at least once, possibly twice, on this thread that most of the police action was professional.

What I'm arguing is that in the act of kicking the prostrate guy in the face, then stamping on his head before doing the knee drop on his back, the officer has lost control of himself and acted unprofessionally.

It seems I'm not alone in thinking this - the police themselves agree

The officer facing a criminal investigation was also served with a disciplinary notice to inform him he was being investigated for potential gross misconduct for a number of alleged breaches of police professional standards, including his use of force, an IOPC spokesperson said.

For the record, I support the police use of proportional force, up to and including lethal force when necessary. I would hope that at each level the officer using force would do so professionally and be in control of their temper and emotions.
I'm not naïve enough to think that police officers are automatons who can't lose their tempers, but there are consequences for them losing control

Criminal investigation is over the top in my view having seen the context, but a slap of the wrist / re-training seems reasonable. The lad he kicked and stomped on was no longer a threat, and the kick dig at the other one who by then was completely complying, was unnecessary. Copper allowed his emotions to get the better of him, which I'm sure most of us can sympathise with given the level of violence directed to him and others. The courts should hopefully give the guys a prison sentence, GBH, resisting arrest, lack of responsibility for the incident9s) or contrition etc.

[C69]

A Prison sentence?
Are there any fucking cells free?

Tbh, as an aside Manchester Airport is a shit hole, appallingly managed, dirt and filled with rude staff.

I've fucked off going there now and fly from Liverpool instead

[Margin__Walker]

A Prison sentence?
Are there any fucking cells free?

Tbh, as an aside Manchester Airport is a shit hole, appallingly managed, dirt and filled with rude staff.

I've fucked off going there now and fly from Liverpool instead

Liverpool is glorious by comparison. Especially with a young family. Flew from there last month. Manchester in October half term unfortunately.

[Biffer]

A Prison sentence?
Are there any fucking cells free?

Tbh, as an aside Manchester Airport is a shit hole, appallingly managed, dirt and filled with rude staff.

I've fucked off going there now and fly from Liverpool instead

There are multiple charges incoming for those lads. Including assaulting police officers, and I think there's some kind of charge available for trying to take their weapons, as well as general gbh, affray etc, and charges that relate to those things in an airport. They're going to jail.

[Paddington Bear]

A Prison sentence?
Are there any fucking cells free?

Tbh, as an aside Manchester Airport is a shit hole, appallingly managed, dirt and filled with rude staff.

I've fucked off going there now and fly from Liverpool instead

There are multiple charges incoming for those lads. Including assaulting police officers, and I think there's some kind of charge available for trying to take their weapons, as well as general gbh, affray etc, and charges that relate to those things in an airport. They're going to jail.

Yep can’t see any other option here.

[lemonhead]

A Prison sentence?
Are there any fucking cells free?

Tbh, as an aside Manchester Airport is a shit hole, appallingly managed, dirt and filled with rude staff.

I've fucked off going there now and fly from Liverpool instead

Liverpool is glorious by comparison. Especially with a young family. Flew from there last month. Manchester in October half term unfortunately.

Just don't the same choice of flights but totally agree. Parking's a fair bit cheaper too.

We'll always look there and at East Midlands as well simply to avoid Manchester.

[Blackmac]

Having viewed the original CCTV footage the family seem to have changed their tune and sacked the spiv lawyer, who has also previously backtracked on the claim that the mum was assaulted during the incident.

[Paddington Bear]

Having viewed the original CCTV footage the family seem to have changed their tune and sacked the spiv lawyer, who has also previously backtracked on the claim that the mum was assaulted during the incident.

The Mum gets an elbow from her son from what I saw. Absolute clowns who somehow convinced themselves that there wouldn’t be evidence that would show they were full of shit.

A number of politicians, from the Home Sec downwards, should have a hard look at themselves