Southport Incident

[Slick]

The Frog faced cunt stirring the pot. Peddling misinformation as published by Russia Today

The Reform leader asked: “Police say it was a non–terror incident … I just wonder whether the truth is being withheld from us?” He said what he does know is “something is going horribly wrong in our once beautiful country” and suggested there are reports the suspect was being monitored by the security services.

https://x.com/i/status/1818324204661420291

I must admit I’ve been grappling with this in my head this morning.

Whilst you or I don’t give a fuck about the background of this bloke, just the fact that he has killed small children, there are a significant number of people who do want to know, for whatever reason. Maybe there is a legal reason for it but there is/was quite obviously a concerted effort to not to release that information.

I do wonder if this just makes matters worse and feeds into the hard right narrative. At the same time you don’t want to bend to these pricks, but then social media just goes crazy with disinformation.

I read a couple of reports in the Guardian yesterday and it was almost comical how many times they mentioned “British born” or “from Cardiff” and it just ended up looking like them trying to prove their credentials rather than actually reporting.

[Uncle fester]

The Frog faced cunt stirring the pot. Peddling misinformation as published by Russia Today

The Reform leader asked: “Police say it was a non–terror incident … I just wonder whether the truth is being withheld from us?” He said what he does know is “something is going horribly wrong in our once beautiful country” and suggested there are reports the suspect was being monitored by the security services.

https://x.com/i/status/1818324204661420291

I must admit I’ve been grappling with this in my head this morning.

Whilst you or I don’t give a fuck about the background of this bloke, just the fact that he has killed small children, there are a significant number of people who do want to know, for whatever reason. Maybe there is a legal reason for it but there is/was quite obviously a concerted effort to not to release that information.

I do wonder if this just makes matters worse and feeds into the hard right narrative. At the same time you don’t want to bend to these pricks, but then social media just goes crazy with disinformation.

I read a couple of reports in the Guardian yesterday and it was almost comical how many times they mentioned “British born” or “from Cardiff” and it just ended up looking like them trying to prove their credentials rather than actually reporting.

Maybe give the police a chance to conduct an investigation first? Although they'll be distracted by having to quell this mob now.

[Slick]

The Frog faced cunt stirring the pot. Peddling misinformation as published by Russia Today

https://x.com/i/status/1818324204661420291

I must admit I’ve been grappling with this in my head this morning.

Whilst you or I don’t give a fuck about the background of this bloke, just the fact that he has killed small children, there are a significant number of people who do want to know, for whatever reason. Maybe there is a legal reason for it but there is/was quite obviously a concerted effort to not to release that information.

I do wonder if this just makes matters worse and feeds into the hard right narrative. At the same time you don’t want to bend to these pricks, but then social media just goes crazy with disinformation.

I read a couple of reports in the Guardian yesterday and it was almost comical how many times they mentioned “British born” or “from Cardiff” and it just ended up looking like them trying to prove their credentials rather than actually reporting.

Maybe give the police a chance to conduct an investigation first? Although they'll be distracted by having to quell this mob now.

I totally agree. I just wonder if coming out early and saying “we have this bloke in custody, this is his background, now let us get on with it” would stop some of the utter madness that has been going on. I don’t know, it’s just so depressing

[Uncle fester]

Oh I get you. Yeah I generally agree but no matter what they say, it'll get twisted.

[fishfoodie]

Police should do what they did after Jan 6th, & put the photos of all of the scumbags up on the net & crowd source the identification !

Name & shame every one of them, & watch them lose their jobs, their friends, their family, & then the freedom !!

[Uncle fester]

Not bollock man though.
He should just be named and let the internet do the rest.

[SaintK]

I must admit I’ve been grappling with this in my head this morning.

Whilst you or I don’t give a fuck about the background of this bloke, just the fact that he has killed small children, there are a significant number of people who do want to know, for whatever reason. Maybe there is a legal reason for it but there is/was quite obviously a concerted effort to not to release that information.

I do wonder if this just makes matters worse and feeds into the hard right narrative. At the same time you don’t want to bend to these pricks, but then social media just goes crazy with disinformation.

I read a couple of reports in the Guardian yesterday and it was almost comical how many times they mentioned “British born” or “from Cardiff” and it just ended up looking like them trying to prove their credentials rather than actually reporting.

Maybe give the police a chance to conduct an investigation first? Although they'll be distracted by having to quell this mob now.

I totally agree. I just wonder if coming out early and saying “we have this bloke in custody, this is his background, now let us get on with it” would stop some of the utter madness that has been going on. I don’t know, it’s just so depressing

There has been so much disinformation peddled on line by the far right (and foreign agancies) that it didn't take long for these bastards to get organised and I'm not sure how you stop that.
It all kicked off in Southend last night as well Though the knife wielding thickos on the rampage there probably thought they were in Southport not Southned

[sockwithaticket]

Oh I get you. Yeah I generally agree but no matter what they say, it'll get twisted.

Well, exactly. It's not hard to come across the info that the perpetrator is of Rwandan descent and has been living in Cardiff almost his entire life and yet it hasn't stopped the wannabe brownshirts from going off about Mooslamic terrorism. Sad fact is we live in a post-truth world and those who do not wish to deal in fact can avoid doing so without being ignored or ridiculed into irrelevance, they can find others like them and become a serious probem.

[Hal Jordan]

The Frog faced cunt stirring the pot. Peddling misinformation as published by Russia Today

The Reform leader asked: “Police say it was a non–terror incident … I just wonder whether the truth is being withheld from us?” He said what he does know is “something is going horribly wrong in our once beautiful country” and suggested there are reports the suspect was being monitored by the security services.

https://x.com/i/status/1818324204661420291

He is, and always has been, a walking piece of dogshit and so is anyone who has any truck with his cuntery.

[Lobby]

The Frog faced cunt stirring the pot. Peddling misinformation as published by Russia Today

The Reform leader asked: “Police say it was a non–terror incident … I just wonder whether the truth is being withheld from us?” He said what he does know is “something is going horribly wrong in our once beautiful country” and suggested there are reports the suspect was being monitored by the security services.

https://x.com/i/status/1818324204661420291

He is, and always has been, a walking piece of dogshit and so is anyone who has any truck with his cuntery.

As Brendan Cox has said this morning, he's basically Tommy Robinson in a suit.

[inactionman]

Police should do what they did after Jan 6th, & put the photos of all of the scumbags up on the net & crowd source the identification !

Name & shame every one of them, & watch them lose their jobs, their friends, their family, & then the freedom !!

I can certainly understand the anger, and God knows they've brought it on themselves by inflaming an already excruciating situation, but meeting mob rule with mob justice isn't a good way to go.

Also, for all of these internet sleuthing successes, there's a bunch of failures where someone is misidentified.

Encourage members of the public to submit evidence to the police (phots, videos) or by helping to identify participants, by all means.

[epwc]

It all kicked off in Southend last night as well Though the knife wielding thickos on the rampage there probably thought they were in Southport not Southned

Essex...

[robmatic]

The Frog faced cunt stirring the pot. Peddling misinformation as published by Russia Today

The Reform leader asked: “Police say it was a non–terror incident … I just wonder whether the truth is being withheld from us?” He said what he does know is “something is going horribly wrong in our once beautiful country” and suggested there are reports the suspect was being monitored by the security services.

https://x.com/i/status/1818324204661420291

I must admit I’ve been grappling with this in my head this morning.

Whilst you or I don’t give a fuck about the background of this bloke, just the fact that he has killed small children, there are a significant number of people who do want to know, for whatever reason. Maybe there is a legal reason for it but there is/was quite obviously a concerted effort to not to release that information.

I do wonder if this just makes matters worse and feeds into the hard right narrative. At the same time you don’t want to bend to these pricks, but then social media just goes crazy with disinformation.

I read a couple of reports in the Guardian yesterday and it was almost comical how many times they mentioned “British born” or “from Cardiff” and it just ended up looking like them trying to prove their credentials rather than actually reporting.

Some of this might be due to the age of the perpetrator if he was only 17.

And while Farage and his 'just asking questions' schtick doesn't help things, the police saying "We have the ethnically whatever guy who did a heinous crime" probably won't calm the racist knuckledraggers down either.

[Paddington Bear]

I tend to agree with Slick.

We’ve seen two riots in two weeks. Both by knuckle dragging droogs but for very different causes.

What unites the two is:
1) a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police; and
2) the absence of information from the police that would have likely mitigated the situation allowed fake narratives to spread that inflamed tensions.

Basically, in the age we live, the police have to work faster. Probably everyone at GMP knew quickly that the incident had started with haymakers to the back of a policeman’s head. They had to get that footage out there far quicker than they did. The police knew the murderer was not a Muslim, and had to issue information confirming his background then telling everyone to let justice take its course basically straight away.

As a country we have to do better than this. Multiple children stabbed in cold blood has to lead to more than thoughts and prayers.

[tabascoboy]

I've just spoken to someone who lives in the area where the violence broke out last night. He wants to stay anonymous.

"I’d driven to see my mum and drove my car through a mob of angry people," he says.

"They weren't from Southport, you could tell from their accents. A lot of the people who were there were there to cause trouble. They were wearing masks. It was a free for all.

"The robbed a shop down the road. They knocked my wall down to get the bricks to use as missiles.

"They stood on cars. They were taking for sale signs from people's gardens and using them as missiles.

"I wasn't going to let them attack my house, that’s why I was stood on the drive. I feel sorry for the emergency services because they were in the thick of it."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c3gr5ljyz41t

[C69]

I tend to agree with Slick.

We’ve seen two riots in two weeks. Both by knuckle dragging droogs but for very different causes.

What unites the two is:
1) a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police; and
2) the absence of information from the police that would have likely mitigated the situation allowed fake narratives to spread that inflamed tensions.

Basically, in the age we live, the police have to work faster. Probably everyone at GMP knew quickly that the incident had started with haymakers to the back of a policeman’s head. They had to get that footage out there far quicker than they did. The police knew the murderer was not a Muslim, and had to issue information confirming his background then telling everyone to let justice take its course basically straight away.

As a country we have to do better than this. Multiple children stabbed in cold blood has to lead to more than thoughts and prayers.

PB you have totally misjudged the situation in Southport.
You have spouted absolute shit by saying that this community has a breakdown of trust between the Police and the community. There was only praise for the Police from the whole community.
It was an utterly ill informed and crass comment.
The EDL and other right wing groups hijacked this and locally there is massive reaction about these cunts from out of town looting destroying cars and people's property and attacking the police.
You should really not comment on this.

[Sandstorm]

I tend to agree with Slick.

We’ve seen two riots in two weeks. Both by knuckle dragging droogs but for very different causes.

What unites the two is:
1) a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police; and
2) the absence of information from the police that would have likely mitigated the situation allowed fake narratives to spread that inflamed tensions.

Basically, in the age we live, the police have to work faster. Probably everyone at GMP knew quickly that the incident had started with haymakers to the back of a policeman’s head. They had to get that footage out there far quicker than they did. The police knew the murderer was not a Muslim, and had to issue information confirming his background then telling everyone to let justice take its course basically straight away.

As a country we have to do better than this. Multiple children stabbed in cold blood has to lead to more than thoughts and prayers.

PB you have totally misjudged the situation in Southport.
You have spouted absolute shit by saying that this community has a breakdown of trust between the Police and the community. There was only praise for the Police from the whole community.
It was an utterly ill informed and crass comment.
The EDL and other right wing groups hijacked this and locally there is massive reaction about these cunts from out of town looting destroying cars and people's property and attacking the police.
You should really not comment on this.

I suspect PB was talking more about the Manchester airport incident rather than Southport when talking about trust.

[Jockaline]

Police should do what they did after Jan 6th, & put the photos of all of the scumbags up on the net & crowd source the identification !

Name & shame every one of them, & watch them lose their jobs, their friends, their family, & then the freedom !!

I can certainly understand the anger, and God knows they've brought it on themselves by inflaming an already excruciating situation, but meeting mob rule with mob justice isn't a good way to go.

Also, for all of these internet sleuthing successes, there's a bunch of failures where someone is misidentified.

Encourage members of the public to submit evidence to the police (phots, videos) or by helping to identify participants, by all means.

I'm with fishfoodie on this, something needs to be done. These hooligans cause thousands of pound worth of damage and menace to neighbourhoods, the few arrested will be released to do it again in few days, which is does nothing to prevent reoccurrence.

I also wondered if Sunak conscription idea could maybe work for a few of the fitter younger ones, avoid jail (spaces at a premium) and try channeling that testosterone and need to be part of a group into something good. Remove benefits if they don't give it a good go.

[tabascoboy]

Judging by photos from the scene, very few of these look to be 25, never mind 18. Average age more like 30s and 40s

[C69]

Judging by photos from the scene, very few of these look to be 25, never mind 18. Average age more like 30s and 40s

Yip

[inactionman]

Police should do what they did after Jan 6th, & put the photos of all of the scumbags up on the net & crowd source the identification !

Name & shame every one of them, & watch them lose their jobs, their friends, their family, & then the freedom !!

I can certainly understand the anger, and God knows they've brought it on themselves by inflaming an already excruciating situation, but meeting mob rule with mob justice isn't a good way to go.

Also, for all of these internet sleuthing successes, there's a bunch of failures where someone is misidentified.

Encourage members of the public to submit evidence to the police (phots, videos) or by helping to identify participants, by all means.

I'm with fishfoodie on this, something needs to be done. These hooligans cause thousands of pound worth of damage and menace to neighbourhoods, the few arrested will be released to do it again in few days, which is does nothing to prevent reoccurrence.

I also wondered if Sunak conscription idea could maybe work for a few of the fitter younger ones, avoid jail (spaces at a premium) and try channeling that testosterone and need to be part of a group into something good. Remove benefits if they don't give it a good go.

Something does need to be done, but I'd rather not rely upon mob justice for that. Not least as the mob isn't the best informed, most considered or most reasonable of bodies. Or even able to understand words - Dr Yvette Cloete was hassled for being a paediatrician.

It's also a bit odd to ask a bunch of self-appointed vigilantes to deal with a bunch of self-appointed vigilantes.

I am definitely keen on the idea of some restorative service to community though.

[Jockaline]

Judging by photos from the scene, very few of these look to be 25, never mind 18. Average age more like 30s and 40s

Yip

The army could only take few, stop the next generation? Doesn't need to be just for this, knife crime etc. The older ones can have a different community punishment.

[inactionman]

Judging by photos from the scene, very few of these look to be 25, never mind 18. Average age more like 30s and 40s

Yip

The army could only take few, stop the next generation? Doesn't need to be just for this, knife crime etc. The older ones can have a different community punishment.

The Army is suffering a recruitment challenge - mainly as it was outsourced to Crapita - so getting a few more into the funnel is no bad thing.

Some may actually thrive there - for all their failings and ignorance they're clearly people who get off their arse. (Just to make clear, I think they're dicks but their energy could be directed to something beneficial rather than pure destruction and division)

[Jockaline]

I can certainly understand the anger, and God knows they've brought it on themselves by inflaming an already excruciating situation, but meeting mob rule with mob justice isn't a good way to go.

Also, for all of these internet sleuthing successes, there's a bunch of failures where someone is misidentified.

Encourage members of the public to submit evidence to the police (phots, videos) or by helping to identify participants, by all means.

I'm with fishfoodie on this, something needs to be done. These hooligans cause thousands of pound worth of damage and menace to neighbourhoods, the few arrested will be released to do it again in few days, which is does nothing to prevent reoccurrence.

I also wondered if Sunak conscription idea could maybe work for a few of the fitter younger ones, avoid jail (spaces at a premium) and try channeling that testosterone and need to be part of a group into something good. Remove benefits if they don't give it a good go.

Something does need to be done, but I'd rather not rely upon mob justice for that. Not least as the mob isn't the best informed, most considered or most reasonable of bodies. Or even able to understand words - Dr Yvette Cloete was hassled for being a paediatrician.

It's also a bit odd to ask a bunch of self-appointed vigilantes to deal with a bunch of self-appointed vigilantes.

I am definitely keen on the idea of some restorative service to community though.

Wasn't thinking about vigilantes or more violence, I'd hope that the public was better than that, maybe being naïve. More to identify those to employers and family and friends, who could would show their disappointment in a law abiding way.

These are criminals at the end of the day, but we don't know who they are. We do ask the public for help with more serious offenders, but the police/criminal justice system doesn't want to know for less serious crimes as we haven't got clue what to do with them, and it just creates lots of useless costly paperwork.

[Jock42]

These cunts should be nowhere near the military, it's not the military problem to solve. Poor recruitment isn't just down to capita, retention is probably a bigger issue. I'd not want some cunt that is a conscript in combat with me, fuck that!! There's also not enough NCOs to train them and not enough training estates either. It's a non starter that would erode our forces.

[Paddington Bear]

I tend to agree with Slick.

We’ve seen two riots in two weeks. Both by knuckle dragging droogs but for very different causes.

What unites the two is:
1) a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police; and
2) the absence of information from the police that would have likely mitigated the situation allowed fake narratives to spread that inflamed tensions.

Basically, in the age we live, the police have to work faster. Probably everyone at GMP knew quickly that the incident had started with haymakers to the back of a policeman’s head. They had to get that footage out there far quicker than they did. The police knew the murderer was not a Muslim, and had to issue information confirming his background then telling everyone to let justice take its course basically straight away.

As a country we have to do better than this. Multiple children stabbed in cold blood has to lead to more than thoughts and prayers.

PB you have totally misjudged the situation in Southport.
You have spouted absolute shit by saying that this community has a breakdown of trust between the Police and the community. There was only praise for the Police from the whole community.
It was an utterly ill informed and crass comment.
The EDL and other right wing groups hijacked this and locally there is massive reaction about these cunts from out of town looting destroying cars and people's property and attacking the police.
You should really not comment on this.

I was referring to the rioters not the people of Southport. That was completely blindingly obvious but you just wanted a chance to get a dig in

[inactionman]

These cunts should be nowhere near the military, it's not the military problem to solve. Poor recruitment isn't just down to capita, retention is probably a bigger issue. I'd not want some cunt that is a conscript in combat with me, fuck that!! There's also not enough NCOs to train them and not enough training estates either. It's a non starter that would erode our forces.

Fair enough.

Would you wonder whether their actions are to do with frustration, senses of powerlessness and a huge helping of ignorance, and that exposing them to something like national service might be of some use? We're not talking of putting them on front lines, we're not Russia.

Or bang them up, ostracise them, make them unemployable and then cross fingers that they stop being arseholes?

[Jockaline]

I tend to agree with Slick.

We’ve seen two riots in two weeks. Both by knuckle dragging droogs but for very different causes.

What unites the two is:
1) a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police; and
2) the absence of information from the police that would have likely mitigated the situation allowed fake narratives to spread that inflamed tensions.

Basically, in the age we live, the police have to work faster. Probably everyone at GMP knew quickly that the incident had started with haymakers to the back of a policeman’s head. They had to get that footage out there far quicker than they did. The police knew the murderer was not a Muslim, and had to issue information confirming his background then telling everyone to let justice take its course basically straight away.

As a country we have to do better than this. Multiple children stabbed in cold blood has to lead to more than thoughts and prayers.

PB you have totally misjudged the situation in Southport.
You have spouted absolute shit by saying that this community has a breakdown of trust between the Police and the community. There was only praise for the Police from the whole community.
It was an utterly ill informed and crass comment.
The EDL and other right wing groups hijacked this and locally there is massive reaction about these cunts from out of town looting destroying cars and people's property and attacking the police.
You should really not comment on this.

I was referring to the rioters not the people of Southport. That was completely blindingly obvious but you just wanted a chance to get a dig in

Why do you think there has been a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police in Southport, I've heard nothing but praise for the first responders, who are also and integral part of that community. It must be awful to have to witness that aftermath, especially those with kids themselves, and while not local they have my support and sympathy.

[Paddington Bear]

PB you have totally misjudged the situation in Southport.
You have spouted absolute shit by saying that this community has a breakdown of trust between the Police and the community. There was only praise for the Police from the whole community.
It was an utterly ill informed and crass comment.
The EDL and other right wing groups hijacked this and locally there is massive reaction about these cunts from out of town looting destroying cars and people's property and attacking the police.
You should really not comment on this.

I was referring to the rioters not the people of Southport. That was completely blindingly obvious but you just wanted a chance to get a dig in

Why do you think there has been a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police in Southport, I've heard nothing but praise for the first responders, who are also and integral part of that community. It must be awful to have to witness that aftermath, especially those with kids themselves, and while not local they have my support and sympathy.

Again, the rioters. Ffs

[Sandstorm]

Haven't we got a couple of immigrant barges sitting idle?

[Jock42]

These cunts should be nowhere near the military, it's not the military problem to solve. Poor recruitment isn't just down to capita, retention is probably a bigger issue. I'd not want some cunt that is a conscript in combat with me, fuck that!! There's also not enough NCOs to train them and not enough training estates either. It's a non starter that would erode our forces.

Fair enough.

Would you wonder whether their actions are to do with frustration, senses of powerlessness and a huge helping of ignorance, and that exposing them to something like national service might be of some use? We're not talking of putting them on front lines, we're not Russia.

Or bang them up, ostracise them, make them unemployable and then cross fingers that they stop being arseholes?

Did nobody who's previously done national service commit crime?

When the next conflict rolls around and units are doing back to back tours how long will it be until these men and women are augmenting regular units? Where are they being based? What are they being paid? What roles are they fulfilling? Why is it the military's role to sort out society's problem? What happens when they go AWOL?

[Jockaline]

I was referring to the rioters not the people of Southport. That was completely blindingly obvious but you just wanted a chance to get a dig in

Why do you think there has been a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police in Southport, I've heard nothing but praise for the first responders, who are also and integral part of that community. It must be awful to have to witness that aftermath, especially those with kids themselves, and while not local they have my support and sympathy.

Again, the rioters. Ffs

Apologies, I suspect these rioters avoid doing the same in their own community. They do it for fun, it's day out, and they hate people that are not like them, nationalism gives them a sense of purpose. The police are just a useful target, most of rioters are smiling and laughing, it's not a proper protest by people with sincere grievances.

I once had a short dalliance with an ex-football hooligan years ago, he loved the fighting, said most of it was pre-arranged and the fought like minded people so it was ok, sort of like an unofficial non-caged fighting on the street. That's been rightly stamped out, but a lot of 'younger' men have a lot unchanneled energy and a sense of uselessness.

[geordie_6]

Bloody hell the mess and damage being shown on TV this morning is unbelievable. I reckon the shitstains that organised that will be getting a severe wake up call soon and very heavy sentences.

We've got nowhere to put them at the moment. The early release scheme from Labour doesn't commence until early September, and at present we're astonishingly close to filling every available cell.

[Tichtheid]

I tend to agree with Slick.

We’ve seen two riots in two weeks. Both by knuckle dragging droogs but for very different causes.

What unites the two is:
1) a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police; and
2) the absence of information from the police that would have likely mitigated the situation allowed fake narratives to spread that inflamed tensions.

Basically, in the age we live, the police have to work faster. Probably everyone at GMP knew quickly that the incident had started with haymakers to the back of a policeman’s head. They had to get that footage out there far quicker than they did. The police knew the murderer was not a Muslim, and had to issue information confirming his background then telling everyone to let justice take its course basically straight away.

As a country we have to do better than this. Multiple children stabbed in cold blood has to lead to more than thoughts and prayers.

PB you have totally misjudged the situation in Southport.
You have spouted absolute shit by saying that this community has a breakdown of trust between the Police and the community. There was only praise for the Police from the whole community.
It was an utterly ill informed and crass comment.
The EDL and other right wing groups hijacked this and locally there is massive reaction about these cunts from out of town looting destroying cars and people's property and attacking the police.
You should really not comment on this.

I was referring to the rioters not the people of Southport. That was completely blindingly obvious but you just wanted a chance to get a dig in

To be fair, when you said, "a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police; ", it not a stretch to think the community you meant was those living in the area.

Is the "community" you refer to the rioters? I've seen them here many times in Brighton, they come on their EDL marches, or under other banners, and are here for simple reasons, to fight and to vandalise


I haven't said anything about the attack - what is there to say? There are few things worse than innocent lives being shattered in this hideously violent way, the ones who survived will carry this with them for ever. I have three who when they were that age would have loved to have been dancing and making bracelets for and with their friends

[_Os_]

I tend to agree with Slick.

We’ve seen two riots in two weeks. Both by knuckle dragging droogs but for very different causes.

What unites the two is:
1) a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police; and
2) the absence of information from the police that would have likely mitigated the situation allowed fake narratives to spread that inflamed tensions.

Basically, in the age we live, the police have to work faster. Probably everyone at GMP knew quickly that the incident had started with haymakers to the back of a policeman’s head. They had to get that footage out there far quicker than they did. The police knew the murderer was not a Muslim, and had to issue information confirming his background then telling everyone to let justice take its course basically straight away.

As a country we have to do better than this. Multiple children stabbed in cold blood has to lead to more than thoughts and prayers.

The police released the information early that the killer is British and his parents are from Rwanda, they also immediately said that it wasn't a terror incident. I'm not sure how much quicker the police could've been without risking the release of info which turns out to be false, which would've damaged police credibility.

In Southport a group of highly motivated actors immediately started lying to gain political capital from a horrific crime. A lot of them have huge media platforms, or are actual media platforms (imagine being an editor and immediately deciding to run with "multi culturalism has failed" type lines). Unlike Manchester this crime is quite uncomfortable to talk about at all because of its horrific nature, unimaginable to try and gain from it somehow. But that's what the likes of Frog Face have decided to do, he's an elected MP but refused to go to Parliament and ask questions he deems important when this crime was discussed, instead he's on social media claiming "I just wonder if the truth is being withheld from us" (by us he presumably means elected MPs who refuse to turn up and ask questions?).

The agenda of Frog Face and friends is becoming more mask off by the day. They also blamed the Harehills riot in Leeds on Muslims and immigrants. I went on the census map to see what the demographics of that area were, it's less than 20% white and less than 10% white British, but (from memory) it was 70% British nationals with a small majority of the area UK born. Before the stuff about the spark being child services and the Roma, it was very obvious during that incident that "immigrant" was being used by people who really meant "not white". Frog Face has done this before, he said most people in London weren't British when a majority of people in London were born in the UK, he conflated not being white with being an immigrant and ignored all criticism pointing that out. To my knowledge he never corrects any of these conflations between immigrants and people who aren't white.

Once police said this killer was black British, not many of those rioting would've given a shit. To them that is a "immigrant", a convient word they use to hide their real views.

[Paddington Bear]

PB you have totally misjudged the situation in Southport.
You have spouted absolute shit by saying that this community has a breakdown of trust between the Police and the community. There was only praise for the Police from the whole community.
It was an utterly ill informed and crass comment.
The EDL and other right wing groups hijacked this and locally there is massive reaction about these cunts from out of town looting destroying cars and people's property and attacking the police.
You should really not comment on this.

I was referring to the rioters not the people of Southport. That was completely blindingly obvious but you just wanted a chance to get a dig in

To be fair, when you said, "a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police; ", it not a stretch to think the community you meant was those living in the area.

Is the "community" you refer to the rioters? I've seen them here many times in Brighton, they come on their EDL marches, or under other banners, and are here for simple reasons, to fight and to vandalise


I haven't said anything about the attack - what is there to say? There are few things worse than innocent lives being shattered in this hideously violent way, the ones who survived will carry this with them for ever. I have three who when they were that age would have loved to have been dancing and making bracelets for and with their friends

‘ We’ve seen two riots in two weeks. Both by knuckle dragging droogs but for very different causes.

What unites the two is’

There was feverish speculation about the murderer’s identity, during which the main rumour going round was that he was a muslim asylum seeker on MI6’s radar. The police have to be aware that more and more people are getting their news from social media, and are surely aware that these attacks spark said speculation and it matters to a large number of people. Both riots could have been mitigated by the police recognising we are in a different information age and acting faster.

[Tichtheid]

I was referring to the rioters not the people of Southport. That was completely blindingly obvious but you just wanted a chance to get a dig in

To be fair, when you said, "a total breakdown of trust between that community and the police; ", it not a stretch to think the community you meant was those living in the area.

Is the "community" you refer to the rioters? I've seen them here many times in Brighton, they come on their EDL marches, or under other banners, and are here for simple reasons, to fight and to vandalise


I haven't said anything about the attack - what is there to say? There are few things worse than innocent lives being shattered in this hideously violent way, the ones who survived will carry this with them for ever. I have three who when they were that age would have loved to have been dancing and making bracelets for and with their friends

‘ We’ve seen two riots in two weeks. Both by knuckle dragging droogs but for very different causes.

What unites the two is’

There was feverish speculation about the murderer’s identity, during which the main rumour going round was that he was a muslim asylum seeker on MI6’s radar. The police have to be aware that more and more people are getting their news from social media, and are surely aware that these attacks spark said speculation and it matters to a large number of people. Both riots could have been mitigated by the police recognising we are in a different information age and acting faster.

I'm still unsure who is in the "community" that you refer to as having "a total breakdown of trust" between themselves and the police

[epwc]

There was feverish speculation about the murderer’s identity, during which the main rumour going round was that he was a muslim asylum seeker on MI6’s radar. The police have to be aware that more and more people are getting their news from social media, and are surely aware that these attacks spark said speculation and it matters to a large number of people. Both riots could have been mitigated by the police recognising we are in a different information age and acting faster.

But we are so far away from fact based responses nowadays. Complete fiction of all sorts get passed off as fact as a matter of course now. I don't know how we get back to a rational position now.

[Tichtheid]

There was feverish speculation about the murderer’s identity, during which the main rumour going round was that he was a muslim asylum seeker on MI6’s radar. The police have to be aware that more and more people are getting their news from social media, and are surely aware that these attacks spark said speculation and it matters to a large number of people. Both riots could have been mitigated by the police recognising we are in a different information age and acting faster.

But we are so far away from fact based responses nowadays. Complete fiction of all sorts get passed off as fact as a matter of course now. I don't know how we get back to a rational position now.

That's certainly true - people choose the facts they want.

[Sandstorm]

There was feverish speculation about the murderer’s identity, during which the main rumour going round was that he was a muslim asylum seeker on MI6’s radar. The police have to be aware that more and more people are getting their news from social media, and are surely aware that these attacks spark said speculation and it matters to a large number of people. Both riots could have been mitigated by the police recognising we are in a different information age and acting faster.

I agree. It was the next day and I was still wondering exactly what this kid looked like. Him being a minor didn't help the Police get the info out earlier probably......