Saffers

[Sards]

Some very positive noises from the new minister

It's very difficult for the Township kids.


Teams don't like to go there to play matches.

[_Os_]

This came up on my Youtube recommended, watched it all, good pre-fight rundown of Du Plessis's career. Not a huge UFC fan, the wrestling element isn't for me and the ref lets fights go on a bit too long imo. But I did enjoy the Du Plessis v Strickland fight, was mostly boxing/kick boxing.

[OomStruisbaai]

I won't miss tomorrow's fight. Was great watching it. Remind me to the good old boxing days of Kallie Knoetze and Gerrie Coetzee

[Blake]

This came up on my Youtube recommended, watched it all, good pre-fight rundown of Du Plessis's career. Not a huge UFC fan, the wrestling element isn't for me and the ref lets fights go on a bit too long imo. But I did enjoy the Du Plessis v Strickland fight, was mostly boxing/kick boxing.

I’m nervous about the fight. Adesanya is his biggest challenge to date. All of Du Plessis’ weaknesses are strengths for Adesanya and visa versa.

Izzy is lightning quick and light on his feet. Dricus is going to have a tough time catching him with a punch or a kick or a takedown, so it will be interesting to see what game plan he and his coaches have cooked up for the fight if he can execute on it.

[OomStruisbaai]

Dricus done it.

[Blake]

Dricus done it.

Good fight that. Dricus’ durability and sheer stubbornness to keep going and keep swinging never ceases to amaze me.

While his chin holds he’s going to be a force to recon with.

[OomStruisbaai]

Great news from our Minister of Sport
https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/natio ... -mckenzie/

Equal access to sport is key to transformation, says Gayton McKenzie
The sports minister says the focus should be on equality of access rather than equality of outcome
Transformation in sport should be achieved by improving access rather than pursuing demographic targets, sports, arts and culture minister Gayton McKenzie says.

In a written reply to a parliamentary question by EFF MP Thapelo Mogale about how he planned to tackle the slow pace of transformation in sport, McKenzie said the focus should be on “equality of access over equality of outcome”.

Mogale made the point that representation in rugby, cricket and other sporting codes was not a true reflection of SA's demographics and wanted to know what measures had been put in place “to ensure that sporting quotas are adhered to by the different sporting federations”.

McKenzie said he wanted to change the approach “because if we just keep doing the same things we’ve done before, then we are just going to get more of what we’ve been getting to date”.

“There has been an overemphasis over the years on focusing on what I might call ‘equality of outcome’ when it comes to transformation in sport, meaning that our society tends to look at the demographic profile of people who succeed at the upper and professional levels of sport, but by then it is already too late.

“What matters more is ‘equality of access’, which speaks to young people being able to participate and train in various sports from an early age on. Many professional tennis players, for example, started at the age of five. The game becomes second nature to such players,” McKenzie said.

“We see people from underprivileged communities succeeding in sports that don’t require a large investment in resources. To learn to play soccer, you just need an open patch of ground and a ball. To become a cricket bowler, you just need a ball. However, to be a batter, you need pads, a bat, a helmet, gloves, groin protector, and more. This is why we see our system producing many black bowlers of talent, but few batters. Equality of access if therefore the critical challenge.”

McKenzie said he had started the discussion with the department around building sporting facilities that could be located within accessible distance of clusters of schools. He was “shocked”, he said when taking office, to learn that only one in 10 schoolchildren were participating in sport.

Regarding the revival of physical education and the school sports system, McKenzie said it was clear from 2023’s school sport indaba “that there has been little to no progress in establishing sustainable school sport leagues in less privileged communities, which constitutes the vast majority of where our children are affected”.

He said a new memorandum of understanding with the department of basic education was currently being discussed to give more intensive focus to the establishment of school sports leagues and the setting up of structures to manage those leagues.

The minister said his department was also currently reviewing the club development programme, which has mainly focused on football and netball in both rural and urban areas. The aim of the programme was to create a bridge between informal and formal, mainstream sport and to address the obstacles that limit the participation of rural and township clubs from affiliating into mainstream sport.

“The result of this programme indicates a serious need of building capacity and addressing the infrastructure needs of clubs. The discussions, between rugby and cricket, have centred on creating a conducive space for township and rural clubs to be brought into the mainstream of their clubs," the minister said.

Our new minister tweeting

https://x.com/GaytonMcK/status/18250380 ... QC0jw&s=19

[_Os_]

Happy Dricus beat the doos.

The pre-fight circus was awkward and became just weird. Really obvious a lot of Americans and especially black Americans have an issue with white South Africans existing, it's nothing to do with apartheid that was 30 years ago now. They seem to have decided we're the ultimate racists, when the US has a more violent and more racist history than we do (as do many other parts of the world, hello Brazil, hello British Empire). Always a joke when they start lecturing us. They also seem to think only black people can come from Africa and not millions of arabs, millions of whites, millions of indians. There's a certain type of person that is fine with black or white people coming from South America, North America, Europe, Australasia but foams at the mouth at the thought of a white person being African. A lot of them are Yanks, it's the total exact opposite to my real life experience of how other Africans have treated me.

Problem is none of the circus is reality, life isn't a Hollywood movie, all the kak falls apart when there's an Afrikaner who refuses to lose. Combat sports are part of SA culture, nowhere near the same level as places like Thailand or the Caucuses, but more than somewhere like the UK. I doubt a UFC champion would have much of a profile in the UK, certainly not on the level of Dricus who is congratulated by the president. Basically we're going to throw up a champion in any combat sport now and again, because we're interested. Going to get very tiring for the Yanks going through this each time. Personally I just find their racism very amusing.

I watched the Rogan commentary just now over lunch, the black American gentleman was claiming Dricus was really French because of his name (which he could not pronounce properly, of course) and also said "apartheid is being dealt with" (pronounced apartheid the English way, which is also incorrect), during the fight. Then said when Dricus won "this makes me feel like America has lost a war", the doos is from Nigeria and moved to NZ nothing at all to do with the US. Strickland is now claiming apartheid still exists. Hilarious, we're deep in the headspace of these people without even trying.

"this makes me feel like America has lost a war, I just fucking hate how this feels, fuck" =

[_Os_]

Dricus done it.

Good fight that. Dricus’ durability and sheer stubbornness to keep going and keep swinging never ceases to amaze me.

While his chin holds he’s going to be a force to recon with.

Be careful of some of the praise around his toughness. It's the same as when Springbok "physicality" is praised or when people moan about the "immoral Springbok bench", when anyone who can see knows bar two or three guys the Boks aren't particularly large, Kwagga and Deon Fourie came off the bench in the 2023 RWC final ... both were technically far stronger than their opponents, just far stronger skills than the All Blacks but not larger men.

What a lot of it is about is about saying "you won but are actually shit" (I get you're not saying that). Dricus changes how he fights depending on the opponent (obvious just watching the last two fights), can switch stance from orthodox to southpaw, can make opponents think he's tired so they take risks and feed him openings, can rugby tackle (very funny how opponents struggle with his take downs). I've seen people criticising his punching style, but it's a literal cage fight so that seems redundant. The praise he gets from Rogan or whoever, makes it sound like he's a meathead who has no skills at all and is just tough.

Brian Mitchell was probably our best boxer, adaptive, technically sound, tough (obviously). 49 fights, 1 loss, 12 title defences on the road. Mostly during the 1980s so everyone hated him (as we're now seeing not for apartheid as was claimed at the time, but just for existing and being a white South African). If you Google him, it's a lot of Westerners claiming he was basically shit and just tough, but was somehow a champion who defended his titles against all comers wherever they wanted to fight for most of a decade.

[Blake]

Dricus’ preparation and ability to switch up his game plan between opponents is very impressive I agree. His fight IQ is very high (and sometimes underrated).

Something that is also not mentioned by the yanks and MMA pundits is that his base in Pretoria is at altitude and how that contributes to his insane cardio.

[assfly]

The pre-fight circus was awkward and became just weird. Really obvious a lot of Americans and especially black Americans have an issue with white South Africans existing, it's nothing to do with apartheid that was 30 years ago now. They seem to have decided we're the ultimate racists, when the US has a more violent and more racist history than we do (as do many other parts of the world, hello Brazil, hello British Empire). Always a joke when they start lecturing us. They also seem to think only black people can come from Africa and not millions of arabs, millions of whites, millions of indians. There's a certain type of person that is fine with black or white people coming from South America, North America, Europe, Australasia but foams at the mouth at the thought of a white person being African. A lot of them are Yanks, it's the total exact opposite to my real life experience of how other Africans have treated me.

There is a lot of this going about at the moment, especially online where I've noticed a lot of hate speech increase in the last few years. It's definitely a US thing, where some are incensed that white Africans exist. But in all my years of living and working in Africa, I have never personally experienced it.

I feel that since the George Floyd incident, so many people just wear race-tinted glasses and see everything critically through that spectrum. It's must be tiring seeing everything that way.

[Calculon]

I’m sceptical how representative this attitude is amongst Americans outside of certain sections of social media and Joe Rogan and company. I’ve worked with shitloads of Americans over the last near 7 years, including lots of black ones, male and female, my closest friend is a yank, my sister-in-law is also a yank, so is my brother for that matter - I’ve not once encountered any hostility or wariness due to me being an Afrikaner. I might be naïve but I’d like to think my experience is more typical than the stuff you find online.

[Blake]

I’m sceptical how representative this attitude is amongst Americans outside of certain sections of social media and Joe Rogan and company. I’ve worked with shitloads of Americans over the last near 7 years, including lots of black ones, male and female, my closest friend is a yank, my sister-in-law is also a yank, so is my brother for that matter - I’ve not once encountered any hostility or wariness due to me being an Afrikaner. I might be naïve but I’d like to think my experience is more typical than the stuff you find online.

The MMA fanbase in the USA and UK skews very right, so it's not too surprising that the US culture war issues spill into the MMA discourse. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is, and only gets amplified when fighters like Izzy who lean into it to build some hype.

Many fans seem to be tiring of the theatrics though, and just want to see great fighters put on great fights and move away from some of the WWE-style theatrics and "cheap heat". I think once the dust settles, and the new generation of fighters get established, the MMA landscape will look very different. The era of Jones, McGregor, Izzy is coming to an end and guys like Aspinall and Dricus are way more chill and just want to fight. There will always be some shit talking and beefs, it's part of all combat sports, but it has swung a little too far and is due for a correction IMO.

[average joe]

This is not a new thing. Afrikaners have been portrayed badly since ages ago, we are not particularly liked oversees. Even in movies they only ever get casted as the bad guy. It's like Germans "you are a bad guy because you're probably a fucking nazi" It's been like that for as long as I can remember and unless the narrative in Hollywood changes it will probably stay that way.

[_Os_]

This is not a new thing. Afrikaners have been portrayed badly since ages ago, we are not particularly liked oversees. Even in movies they only ever get casted as the bad guy. It's like Germans "you are a bad guy because you're probably a fucking nazi" It's been like that for as long as I can remember and unless the narrative in Hollywood changes it will probably stay that way.

It goes back further to the start of cinema. Some of the very first films made were Second Boer War propaganda films, nothing to do with apartheid, nothing to do with the Nazis (something that really disgusts me is that we fought against the Nazis when we did not have to, but get lumped in with them). The Boers are the original cinematic villain, it is because they exist, are not Anglos, and beat Anglos.

Fun thing about propaganda especially the unsophisticated types, is it's often just pure projection, whatever they're accusing the enemy of they're in fact doing. There's a shitload of them, all short 1 minute things, some of my favourites ...

Kruger's Dream Of Empire (1900).
Kruger is gloating over a bust of himself and a past military victory at Majuba in the First Boer War, Kruger desires a crown and an empire. He is an evil conqueror, who must be shot by a firing squad and his dreams of an evil empire replaced by the British Empire (definitely not an evil empire, which definitely never gloats about past military victories, and definitely never puts up statues of Victoria everywhere).



Shelling The Red Cross (1900).
Fake war footage that was presented to audiences as being real. An unseen off screen Boer (think of the first Alien film or the first Jaws film where the villain is off screen and the audience's fear and imagination is allowed to run wild), is fighting dirty, throwing bombs into a hospital tent and ultimately killing women.



Charge Of The Boer Cavalry (1900).
Quite of a lot fake war footage was filmed in the US, by what would later become Hollywood. The Boers always look like wild crazy Confederates from the American Civil War. Quite like this one because the Boers are charging in with swords drawn. Yanks still do the same thing with their films featuring the Taliban or whoever.

[average joe]

Here is me wondering if the boers ever did a traditional cavalry charge with Sabers.

[_Os_]

Here is me wondering if the boers ever did a traditional cavalry charge with Sabers.

In Hollywood they did.

Now fast forward to Dricus winning a cage fight 124 years later, and that black Yank gentleman on Rogan lamenting that America had lost a real war because Dricus had won. Somewhere in the recesses of the Yank collective consciousness Dricus is a Confederate ("apartheid!!!!!!") crazy man ("he has no technique, he fights like a drunk") riding in cutlass ready to cut down some escaping slaves or some other horrendous war crime.

Well that's how I see it anyway, ignore Calculator, my version is more amusing. I fully believe some of them actually think like this though.

[Calculon]

lol, you guys are stuck in the 80's. most of the world are unaware of Afrikaners and as for the rest, few would have a strong opinion

[OomStruisbaai]

Rugby is the only thing that works in South Africa, sadly we are not popular in modern rugby despite providing a lot of countries international players.

Only a few Kiwis like us and the odd Irishman.

[average joe]

lol, you guys are stuck in the 80's. most of the world are unaware of Afrikaners and as for the rest, few would have a strong opinion

Your personal experiences with a very select few aside, I believe we are generally still very much seen in a bad light. There are recent films were Afrikaners or at least someone with an Afrikaans accent is casted as a bad guy. Even Marvel has gone this route. Think Sharlto Copley as Kruger in Elysium. He did a great job as your typical Afrikaans bad guy.

[_Os_]

Think Sharlto Copley as Kruger in Elysium. He did a great job as your typical Afrikaans bad guy.

Hold up chief, he was the bad guy in that film? Enjoyed get to sing along to Jan Pierewiet unexpectedly, clearly not the bad guy.

[_Os_]

lol, you guys are stuck in the 80's. most of the world are unaware of Afrikaners and as for the rest, few would have a strong opinion

Sounds like someone has spent too much time in China and wasn't enough of a klipkop to keep explaining to seemingly everyone everyday that yes you are a white person from South Africa and how that happened. Sounds like you surrendered to Chinese ignorance and said "yes I am an American" to make it all quicker.

Europe (including the UK) is little better. They're aware white South Africans exist, but don't know what an Afrikaner is and think all white South Africans are Boere. I have been called a "fucking Boer bastard", as you all know in no way did I provoke that response or poke or bully, not the sort of thing I would enjoy at all. They're completely unaware of the smaller white South African communities (Porras, Greeks, Jews, Germans, Lebs). I've literally been asked multiple times by English people which side SA was on in WW2, shocks me each time it happens, but then in UK WW2 films the South African hero becomes some posh English guy (Adolf Malan in the Battle of Britain film, and one of the main guys in the Great Escape film), whilst entirely fictional secret Nazi white South Africans are thrown in (Ice Cold in Alex, and The Eagle Has Landed).

[Sandstorm]

lol, you guys are stuck in the 80's. most of the world are unaware of Afrikaners and as for the rest, few would have a strong opinion

Sounds like someone has spent too much time in China and wasn't enough of a klipkop to keep explaining to seemingly everyone everyday that yes you are a white person from South Africa and how that happened. Sounds like you surrendered to Chinese ignorance and said "yes I am an American" to make it all quicker.

Europe (including the UK) is little better. They're aware white South Africans exist, but don't know what an Afrikaner is and think all white South Africans are Boere. I have been called a "fucking Boer bastard", as you all know in no way did I provoke that response or poke or bully, not the sort of thing I would enjoy at all. They're completely unaware of the smaller white South African communities (Porras, Greeks, Jews, Germans, Lebs). I've literally been asked multiple times by English people which side SA was on in WW2, shocks me each time it happens, but then in UK WW2 films the South African hero becomes some posh English guy (Adolf Malan in the Battle of Britain film, and one of the main guys in the Great Escape film), whilst entirely fictional secret Nazi white South Africans are thrown in (Ice Cold in Alex, and The eagle Has Landed).

South Africans have a very inflated opinion of their importance in the minds of other nations and are shocked and disappointed when they discover that Euros, Poms & Yanks don't actually give a shit about us.

[_Os_]

Rugby is the only thing that works in South Africa, sadly we are not popular in modern rugby despite providing a lot of countries international players.

Only a few Kiwis like us and the odd Irishman.

We're quite popular in Europe among people with no dog in the fight but interested in the sport.

There was a Porra poster (the only one?) who I think sadly died recently, used to chat with him a bit, he supported the Boks and Bulls. Watched a Bok test against Wales after Covid, the people next to me were a Spanish family in Barcelona shirts who just really wanted to see the Boks play in the flesh, they were visibly excited, "it is an iconic team, this is the only time we can ever see". I know of South Africans that end up watching tests in some bar in Eastern Europe (terrible planning, you arrange the holiday when there is no Bok test) and find people watching wearing Bok jerseys and/or clearly supporting SA, who they approach and turn out to be locals not South Africans. Watched a news report over a year ago on a Ukrainian military unit, they all seemed to come from the same rugby club before the war (some may have been Ukraine national team players), I remember one of them said he liked rugby because it was a "combat sport" (it's not but made me laugh), one of them was wearing a Bulls jersey (was either in that news report or somewhere else but definitely saw some Ukrainian guy in a frontline trench wearing his Bulls jersey).

How it seems to go is this: World Rugby is wrong people don't get interested in rugby because of Baabaas tries, the type of people interested in rugby are because it's a contact sport, their national team isn't top tier so they pick from those that are. None of these people know or care about the strange Hollywood South African villain stuff, they just select the hardest team which is the Boks or the All Blacks.

Boks would probably get really good crowds if they took a 50 man squad on the EOYT (only 17 more players) and played some minnows. Base themselves in one location, main team plays on the weekend, second team plays in the week against Portugal/Spain/Romania/Georgia.

[Blake]

South Africans have a very inflated opinion of their importance in the minds of other nations and are shocked and disappointed when they discover that Euros, Poms & Yanks don't actually give a shit about us.

Also been my experience.

Outside of the commonwealth and rugby-playing countries where they get exposure to South African athletes, it's mostly complete ignorance and still surprise when a white oke says they are South African; at least in my experience.

[Calculon]

lol, you guys are stuck in the 80's. most of the world are unaware of Afrikaners and as for the rest, few would have a strong opinion

Your personal experiences with a very select few aside, I believe we are generally still very much seen in a bad light. There are recent films were Afrikaners or at least someone with an Afrikaans accent is casted as a bad guy. Even Marvel has gone this route. Think Sharlto Copley as Kruger in Elysium. He did a great job as your typical Afrikaans bad guy.

Yeah, think I'll take my personal experience of hundreds of people in tens of countries spanning 6 continents over several decades ahead of Sharlto Copley
playing the villain in a movie from 2013. And he was a psycpath in that movie, hardly your typical "Afrikaans". Also how the fuck can you forgot Lethal Weapon 2 if you're gonna talk about Afrikaners being portrayed negativity. Maybe you're too young.

[Calculon]

lol, you guys are stuck in the 80's. most of the world are unaware of Afrikaners and as for the rest, few would have a strong opinion

Sounds like someone has spent too much time in China and wasn't enough of a klipkop to keep explaining to seemingly everyone everyday that yes you are a white person from South Africa and how that happened. Sounds like you surrendered to Chinese ignorance and said "yes I am an American" to make it all quicker.

Europe (including the UK) is little better. They're aware white South Africans exist, but don't know what an Afrikaner is and think all white South Africans are Boere. I have been called a "fucking Boer bastard", as you all know in no way did I provoke that response or poke or bully, not the sort of thing I would enjoy at all. They're completely unaware of the smaller white South African communities (Porras, Greeks, Jews, Germans, Lebs). I've literally been asked multiple times by English people which side SA was on in WW2, shocks me each time it happens, but then in UK WW2 films the South African hero becomes some posh English guy (Adolf Malan in the Battle of Britain film, and one of the main guys in the Great Escape film), whilst entirely fictional secret Nazi white South Africans are thrown in (Ice Cold in Alex, and The Eagle Has Landed).

Wtf are you on about, I lived in the UK when PW was president and throughout the 90s so I think I've got some idea of what they think of white saffers.

And despite being an Afrikaner with the most
Boere naam the worse thing I experienced was a guy shouting "free Nelson Mandela" at me in the early 90s

[OomStruisbaai]

My daughter is married to a Korean and lives there. I visited her once and was pleasantly surprise. The East specially Korea is a great experience. I could live there easily but then I think I can live anywhere even in Lagos. The Korean people is much more disciplined compare to Western countries.

[Sandstorm]

Yeah, think I'll take my personal experience of hundreds of people in tens of countries spanning 6 continents over several decades

Until the good People of the Continent of Antarctica give their opinion too, I'm going to have to regard your experience as incomplete.

[Sards]

And despite being an Afrikaner with the most
Boere naam the worse thing I experienced was a guy shouting "free Nelson Mandela" at me in the early 90s

You kids have missed out on so much

[_Os_]

lol, you guys are stuck in the 80's. most of the world are unaware of Afrikaners and as for the rest, few would have a strong opinion

Sounds like someone has spent too much time in China and wasn't enough of a klipkop to keep explaining to seemingly everyone everyday that yes you are a white person from South Africa and how that happened. Sounds like you surrendered to Chinese ignorance and said "yes I am an American" to make it all quicker.

Europe (including the UK) is little better. They're aware white South Africans exist, but don't know what an Afrikaner is and think all white South Africans are Boere. I have been called a "fucking Boer bastard", as you all know in no way did I provoke that response or poke or bully, not the sort of thing I would enjoy at all. They're completely unaware of the smaller white South African communities (Porras, Greeks, Jews, Germans, Lebs). I've literally been asked multiple times by English people which side SA was on in WW2, shocks me each time it happens, but then in UK WW2 films the South African hero becomes some posh English guy (Adolf Malan in the Battle of Britain film, and one of the main guys in the Great Escape film), whilst entirely fictional secret Nazi white South Africans are thrown in (Ice Cold in Alex, and The Eagle Has Landed).

Wtf are you on about, I lived in the UK when PW was president and throughout the 90s so I think I've got some idea of what they think of white saffers.

And despite being an Afrikaner with the most
Boere naam the worse thing I experienced was a guy shouting "free Nelson Mandela" at me in the early 90s

?

Exactly what I said. They typically don't know what an Afrikaner is or that primary language English speaking white South Africans exist, they only typically know what a Boer is and think all white South Africans are Boers. I have been called a Boer by someone I had fun pissing off (because I knew they were a bigot, I've learned to avoid overtly left wing Poms who were adults during apartheid before they fuck me over). I've been asked multiple times which side South Africa was on in WW2, the worst was wearing my Bok jersey going past a war memorial on the way to watch a November test on Remembrance Day (which the Poms call Armistice Day), I stopped for the silence (something invented in South Africa by South Africans) and some red faced gammon went in on me for being there "wearing that".

A lot of people have very very weird views on white South Africans ... which takes us back to the black American gentleman and feeling like America had lost a real war because Dricus beat a Nigerian who moved to Australasia. Views like that don't pop out of the ground from nowhere. It's not ignorant people who are completely unaware we exist at all, it's morons who hate us without knowing us.

I thought you were about my age, but you're older it seems.

[Calculon]

Sounds like someone has spent too much time in China and wasn't enough of a klipkop to keep explaining to seemingly everyone everyday that yes you are a white person from South Africa and how that happened. Sounds like you surrendered to Chinese ignorance and said "yes I am an American" to make it all quicker.

Europe (including the UK) is little better. They're aware white South Africans exist, but don't know what an Afrikaner is and think all white South Africans are Boere. I have been called a "fucking Boer bastard", as you all know in no way did I provoke that response or poke or bully, not the sort of thing I would enjoy at all. They're completely unaware of the smaller white South African communities (Porras, Greeks, Jews, Germans, Lebs). I've literally been asked multiple times by English people which side SA was on in WW2, shocks me each time it happens, but then in UK WW2 films the South African hero becomes some posh English guy (Adolf Malan in the Battle of Britain film, and one of the main guys in the Great Escape film), whilst entirely fictional secret Nazi white South Africans are thrown in (Ice Cold in Alex, and The Eagle Has Landed).

Wtf are you on about, I lived in the UK when PW was president and throughout the 90s so I think I've got some idea of what they think of white saffers.

And despite being an Afrikaner with the most
Boere naam the worse thing I experienced was a guy shouting "free Nelson Mandela" at me in the early 90s

?

Exactly what I said. They typically don't know what an Afrikaner is or that primary language English speaking white South Africans exist, they only typically know what a Boer is and think all white South Africans are Boers. I have been called a Boer by someone I had fun pissing off (because I knew they were a bigot, I've learned to avoid overtly left wing Poms who were adults during apartheid before they fuck me over). I've been asked multiple times which side South Africa was on in WW2, the worst was wearing my Bok jersey going past a war memorial on the way to watch a November test on Remembrance Day (which the Poms call Armistice Day), I stopped for the silence (something invented in South Africa by South Africans) and some red faced gammon went in on me for being there "wearing that".

A lot of people have very very weird views on white South Africans ... which takes us back to the black American gentleman and feeling like America had lost a real war because Dricus beat a Nigerian who moved to Australasia. Views like that don't pop out of the ground from nowhere. It's not ignorant people who are completely unaware we exist at all, it's morons who hate us without knowing us.

I thought you were about my age, but you're older it seems.

Lol. I just meant about me pretending to be a yank. Don't actually disagree with anything else you wrote. Did part of my schooling in the UK so maybe not "that" much older than you

[OomStruisbaai]

Ox my Boerseun.

The Koreans think we are Russians.

The Nigerians think we are Souties and want appreciation for everything they do.

The French, English and All Blacks hate us after losing with 1 point in the WC.

As long as our Souties like us.

[OomStruisbaai]

Even the x ufc champ hate is
https://x.com/SStricklandMMA/status/182 ... cD10w&s=19

That country is so fucked.. I fought there when I was a kid.. poverty, racism, violence. It's actually kinda sad especially for the children:/ I went to an orphanage and man...... they don't even try to be decent there

[OomStruisbaai]

This Caledon murder is ripping a lot of people in the Overberg.

https://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-and-co ... 3c9ec0ac08

[assfly]

Even the x ufc champ hate is
https://x.com/SStricklandMMA/status/182 ... cD10w&s=19

That country is so fucked.. I fought there when I was a kid.. poverty, racism, violence. It's actually kinda sad especially for the children:/ I went to an orphanage and man...... they don't even try to be decent there

This Caledon murder is ripping a lot of people in the Overberg.

https://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-and-co ... 3c9ec0ac08

Well that explains things.

[bok_viking]

lol, you guys are stuck in the 80's. most of the world are unaware of Afrikaners and as for the rest, few would have a strong opinion

Sounds like someone has spent too much time in China and wasn't enough of a klipkop to keep explaining to seemingly everyone everyday that yes you are a white person from South Africa and how that happened. Sounds like you surrendered to Chinese ignorance and said "yes I am an American" to make it all quicker.

Europe (including the UK) is little better. They're aware white South Africans exist, but don't know what an Afrikaner is and think all white South Africans are Boere. I have been called a "fucking Boer bastard", as you all know in no way did I provoke that response or poke or bully, not the sort of thing I would enjoy at all. They're completely unaware of the smaller white South African communities (Porras, Greeks, Jews, Germans, Lebs). I've literally been asked multiple times by English people which side SA was on in WW2, shocks me each time it happens, but then in UK WW2 films the South African hero becomes some posh English guy (Adolf Malan in the Battle of Britain film, and one of the main guys in the Great Escape film), whilst entirely fictional secret Nazi white South Africans are thrown in (Ice Cold in Alex, and The Eagle Has Landed).

When I lived in the USA there were more Americans asking me how I can be white if I come from South Africa than when I lived in China. In China the most common question when someone heard I was from South Africa was " Is it not to dangerous to live there?"
Unfortunately apartheid has turned all white South Africans into villains, specially in Europe where many countries were very publicly Anti-Apartheid and the Afrikaans speaking whites being cast as the bad guys in news articles and documentaries. Unfortunately a lot of the first wave of white South Africans that emigrated after Mandela was released in the 90's have not changed that opinion of Afrikaners in many countries (the "I am not racist, but...." wave) Unfortunately most other South African that move to other countries for work, family, etc. now gets lumped into the same group as those even if they are not.

[assfly]

There is also the issue of white Africans who aren't Afrikaner, like myself. Small pods of Zimbabweans, Zambians, Kenyans and Tanzanians who are 2, 3 or 4 generations here but still not quite African enough for most.

[average joe]

There is also the issue of white Africans who aren't Afrikaner, like myself. Small pods of Zimbabweans, Zambians, Kenyans and Tanzanians who are 2, 3 or 4 generations here but still not quite African enough for most.

I had an English uncle, and my Afrikaans uncles would always rip into him about his nationality. To me it seemed like the problem was that most English Saffas had dual citizenship and would flaunt their British passports every time something went tits-up. It was like they wanted to be Africans but would not let go of their Englishness. Thus, the name soutpiel.

[assfly]

I had an English uncle, and my Afrikaans uncles would always rip into him about his nationality. To me it seemed like the problem was that most English Saffas had dual citizenship and would flaunt their British passports every time something went tits-up. It was like they wanted to be Africans but would not let go of their Englishness. Thus, the name soutpiel.

Fair enough. I don't know what letting go of "Englishness" really means though.

I personally don't see a problem with anyone holding on a passport to a European country. I have done the same; I want my kids to have the opportunity to work, travel and study abroad if they can.