Stop voting for fucking Tories

[David in Gwent]

I am no longer surprised by people who care more about the language and the faux-offensive taken on behalf of someone else than giving sex education classes to 7 year children.

It’s not faux offence, it’s real offence. It’s people like you who moan about “why do they need Pride” when the reason they need it is because of people like you.

I happen to live in a community where there are a lot of gay couples with children and the majority of my friends are gay, so I see and hear the real impact of ignorance. It’s not “sex education” classes they are giving kids, it’s how to be a decent human classes.

DAC doesn't want his kid to be a decent human being, he wants his kid to be like him.

I love this kind of behaviour, it's exactly why I keep coming back. Thanks, Biffer.

[David in Gwent]

I see DAC is on a full Election footing, & spreading the culture wars bile, & stinking up both Politics threads, but can the rest of you stop responding to the cunt ?

I came here to get away from exactly this shite on PR

You're right. We're only encouraging him

The only thing that encourages me is your stupidity which only seconded by your self-righteousness

[David in Gwent]

Moron. That example isn’t talking about sexual preferences.

I am no longer surprised by people who care more about the language and the faux-offensive taken on behalf of someone else than giving sex education classes to 7 year children.

It’s not faux offence, it’s real offence. It’s people like you who moan about “why do they need Pride” when the reason they need it is because of people like you.

I happen to live in a community where there are a lot of gay couples with children and the majority of my friends are gay, so I see and hear the real impact of ignorance. It’s not “sex education” classes they are giving kids, it’s how to be a decent human classes.

You're offended because I said "sexual preference" - The actual state of you, seriously. It's noted how you've introuduced into the conversation "why do they need pride" when I've said nothing wrong, nothing homophobic, nothing. You really don't have a lot about you, do you?

As for your last sentence. You don't need to teach kids how to be decent humans by telling them about LGBT at aged 7 - a simple, "be kind, be nice, treat everyone equally" would suffice - but your head is so far up your own arse you can't see that.

[C69]

At a time when we have an open borders problem caused by the governments failures.
At a time when we have a NHS on its arse with massive waiting lists and a maternity service failing.
At a time when we have parasites in our drinking water and millions of tonnes of shit pumped illegally into our lakes.
At a time when local council as social services are a breaking point..and don't even start me on pot holes.
At time when energy companies are making record profits and we have energy prices more than double a few years ago.
At this fucking time when government failures have. Cost the country billions with COVID fraud and they do fuck all about it.
At this times when millions are broke and food banks are on the rise.....


At this fucking time thr PM and the Tory Party use the MSM to whip up reactionary useless idiots into a culture war frenzy to worry about sex education for the under 9s.
FFS outraged of Tunbridge Wells and the far right lap dogs and Farages foot soldiers need to get a grip.

Lap up the headlines of the Mail, the Sun and the Express.
FFS

[David in Gwent]

At a time when we have an open borders problem caused by the governments failures.
At a time when we have a NHS on its arse with massive waiting lists and a maternity service failing.
At a time when we have parasites in our drinking water and millions of tonnes of shit pumped illegally into our lakes.
At a time when local council as social services are a breaking point..and don't even start me on pot holes.
At time when energy companies are making record profits and we have energy prices more than double a few years ago.
At this fucking time when government failures have. Cost the country billions with COVID fraud and they do fuck all about it.
At this times when millions are broke and food banks are on the rise.....


At this fucking time thr PM and the Tory Party use the MSM to whip up reactionary useless idiots into a culture war frenzy to worry about sex education for the under 9s.
FFS outraged of Tunbridge Wells and the far right lap dogs and Farages foot soldiers need to get a grip.

Lap up the headlines of the Mail, the Sun and the Express.
FFS

Can you point me to some of the headlines in those papers you've mentioned please? Should be relatively easy, thanks.

[Slick]

I see DAC is on a full Election footing, & spreading the culture wars bile, & stinking up both Politics threads, but can the rest of you stop responding to the cunt ?

I came here to get away from exactly this shite on PR

Yup, point taken

[David in Gwent]

I see DAC is on a full Election footing, & spreading the culture wars bile, & stinking up both Politics threads, but can the rest of you stop responding to the cunt ?

I came here to get away from exactly this shite on PR

Yup, point taken

I reacted to a post made by someone else, merely giving an opinion. Nothing to do with culture wars. I've not said anything outrageous, bigoted or homophobic, merely an average bloke giving an opinion.

The intolerance on this forum is actually incredible.

I'll continue to give my opinion when I see fit.

[C69]

What's the next big Tory initiative...banning lanyards

FFS

Btw DAC look at the papers websites it's not really difficult.
Going all culture wars ain't going to save these useless arse clowns
Perhaps the front of the Daily Mail?

[David in Gwent]

What's the next big Tory initiative...banning lanyards

FFS

Btw DAC look at the papers websites it's not really difficult.
Going all culture wars ain't going to save these useless arse clowns
Perhaps the front of the Daily Mail?

I did, I didn't see anything, I wondered why you were ranting and went had a look. Nada,

Are you imagining things?

Some bloke did post a link earlier but it seemed very down to earth and not very culture war-y.

[David in Gwent]

C69,

I don't think you meant this one, did you?

Primary school children in England were 4th in the Progress in International Reading Literacy Study for reading skills in 2021. The United Nations ranks the United Kingdom 7th in the Education Index, measuring educational attainment, GDP per capita and life expectancy, ahead most of Europe.

Nah, probably not.

This one?

[A worldwide education study published today (5 December 2023) shows England has significantly outperformed the international average and risen from 17th for maths in 2018 to 11th, and from 27th in 2009.5 Dec 2023

Let me know.

[C69]

C69,

I don't think you meant this one, did you?

Primary school children in England were 4th in the Progress in International Reading Literacy Study for reading skills in 2021. The United Nations ranks the United Kingdom 7th in the Education Index, measuring educational attainment, GDP per capita and life expectancy, ahead most of Europe.

Nah, probably not.

This one?

[A worldwide education study published today (5 December 2023) shows England has significantly outperformed the international average and risen from 17th for maths in 2018 to 11th, and from 27th in 2009.5 Dec 2023

Let me know.

Can't see anything about the issue you were discussing there.
It's everywhere in the MSM as you know. The BBC has been running it all morning.
You do realise that primary children's parent have to opt in to the sex education.
So no child will be taught anything regarding these issues without parental consent which makes your argument about 7 year olds null and void btw.
Loads of newspaper articles about this being a distraction btw.
Just use Google.

[David in Gwent]

Wales is different son.

Nothing in the papers I can see, you're creating this "culture war" in your own head.

[SaintK]

I see DAC is on a full Election footing, & spreading the culture wars bile, & stinking up both Politics threads, but can the rest of you stop responding to the cunt ?

I came here to get away from exactly this shite on PR

Quite! I've got the loon on ignore but too many are quoting him.

[David in Gwent]

I see DAC is on a full Election footing, & spreading the culture wars bile, & stinking up both Politics threads, but can the rest of you stop responding to the cunt ?

I came here to get away from exactly this shite on PR

Quite! I've got the loon on ignore but too many are quoting him.

by Saint K, aged 12.

[Hal Jordan]

Another day, another expenses scandal, as Pensions Minister Paul Maynard found guilty of expenses breaches after inquiry having used public to "produce overly political materials promoting the party and his re-election" and under-reported the use of a publicly funded office.

Just the £106k printing expenses to repay, but no actual wrongdoing...

[epwc]

£106k? OMG

[C69]

Another day, another expenses scandal, as Pensions Minister Paul Maynard found guilty of expenses breaches after inquiry having used public to "produce overly political materials promoting the party and his re-election" and under-reported the use of a publicly funded office.

Just the £106k printing expenses to repay, but no actual wrongdoing...

I thought it's about £1.2k

[sturginho]

BUT RAYNER!

[C69]

BUT RAYNER!

Red Queen scum

[C69]

Another day, another expenses scandal, as Pensions Minister Paul Maynard found guilty of expenses breaches after inquiry having used public to "produce overly political materials promoting the party and his re-election" and under-reported the use of a publicly funded office.

Just the £106k printing expenses to repay, but no actual wrongdoing...

I thought it's about £1.2k

Ah just seen he spent more than £106k since 2010 on printing.
Much higher than the average costs.
But has to repay £1367.
Scumbag

[sockwithaticket]

Meanwhile, the water quality crisis:

[Sandstorm]

Meanwhile, the water quality crisis:

Start watching at 8 minutes if you want to stay awake....

[sockwithaticket]

I thought the rest of it was quite interesting...

[dpedin]

Water supply and sewage management is and always will be a pubic health issue that should never be placed in the hands of the private sector! Ever since John Snow in the 1850's and his work on cholera outbreaks in London it has been crystal clear that water and sewage are essential to public health and well being and must be managed by the nation in order to protect the well being of its citizens. To be the only civilized country in the world to completely privatize these services has been a dereliction of duty by the Tory Gov and abdication of responsibility for public health. To make matters worse the regulatory body Ofwat seems more concerned about private profits and dividends than the public health of the nation. The UK has become a case study in private sector failure in water industry in the same way as Flint in Michigan has become, both an unmitigated disaster for the public.

[Slick]

Water supply and sewage management is and always will be a pubic health issue that should never be placed in the hands of the private sector! Ever since John Snow in the 1850's and his work on cholera outbreaks in London it has been crystal clear that water and sewage are essential to public health and well being and must be managed by the nation in order to protect the well being of its citizens. To be the only civilized country in the world to completely privatize these services has been a dereliction of duty by the Tory Gov and abdication of responsibility for public health. To make matters worse the regulatory body Ofwat seems more concerned about private profits and dividends than the public health of the nation. The UK has become a case study in private sector failure in water industry in the same way as Flint in Michigan has become, both an unmitigated disaster for the public.

How do explain Scottish Water? And their supine sidekick SEPA

[petej]

Water supply and sewage management is and always will be a pubic health issue that should never be placed in the hands of the private sector! Ever since John Snow in the 1850's and his work on cholera outbreaks in London it has been crystal clear that water and sewage are essential to public health and well being and must be managed by the nation in order to protect the well being of its citizens. To be the only civilized country in the world to completely privatize these services has been a dereliction of duty by the Tory Gov and abdication of responsibility for public health. To make matters worse the regulatory body Ofwat seems more concerned about private profits and dividends than the public health of the nation. The UK has become a case study in private sector failure in water industry in the same way as Flint in Michigan has become, both an unmitigated disaster for the public.

How do explain Scottish Water? And their supine sidekick SEPA

A couple of points. You pay less for water. Scottish water is not horrifically in debt. There is a shitload of work required on all UK water infrastructure. Though different depending on the region.

[Slick]

Water supply and sewage management is and always will be a pubic health issue that should never be placed in the hands of the private sector! Ever since John Snow in the 1850's and his work on cholera outbreaks in London it has been crystal clear that water and sewage are essential to public health and well being and must be managed by the nation in order to protect the well being of its citizens. To be the only civilized country in the world to completely privatize these services has been a dereliction of duty by the Tory Gov and abdication of responsibility for public health. To make matters worse the regulatory body Ofwat seems more concerned about private profits and dividends than the public health of the nation. The UK has become a case study in private sector failure in water industry in the same way as Flint in Michigan has become, both an unmitigated disaster for the public.

How do explain Scottish Water? And their supine sidekick SEPA

A couple of points. You pay less for water. Scottish water is not horrifically in debt. There is a shitload of work required on all UK water infrastructure. Though different depending on the region.

Doesn’t really matter if they are still pumping shit into the rivers and sea

[Tichtheid]

How do explain Scottish Water? And their supine sidekick SEPA

A couple of points. You pay less for water. Scottish water is not horrifically in debt. There is a shitload of work required on all UK water infrastructure. Though different depending on the region.

Doesn’t really matter if they are still pumping shit into the rivers and sea

That's not a Gotcha.

I've been away for a long time so I don't know the detail on Scottish Water and Sepa, but a publicly owned body failing does not mean that the ideal of public ownership is failing any more than Blackberry showed that private enterprise is bound to fail.

We all have to be more demanding of our elected representatives, we don't have the option of not buying a product from them, well, I suppose we do in that we can vote for others, but they need to know that effluent in the seas and rivers is not acceptable

[fishfoodie]

A couple of points. You pay less for water. Scottish water is not horrifically in debt. There is a shitload of work required on all UK water infrastructure. Though different depending on the region.

Doesn’t really matter if they are still pumping shit into the rivers and sea

That's not a Gotcha.

I've been away for a long time so I don't know the detail on Scottish Water and Sepa, but a publicly owned body failing does not mean that the ideal of public ownership is failing any more than Blackberry showed that private enterprise is bound to fail.

We all have to be more demanding of our elected representatives, we don't have the option of not buying a product from them, well, I suppose we do in that we can vote for others, but they need to know that effluent in the seas and rivers is not acceptable

Easy Politics is telling voters you'll take less money off them in taxes, & not explaining how; & hard Politics is telling people you'll keep their taxes the same, or make them higher, & explaining why it make sense for them.

Everyone wants clean water, well staffed schools, & a robust health services, but getting people to link the taxes they pay, to the services they receive isn't easy.

[Slick]

A couple of points. You pay less for water. Scottish water is not horrifically in debt. There is a shitload of work required on all UK water infrastructure. Though different depending on the region.

Doesn’t really matter if they are still pumping shit into the rivers and sea

That's not a Gotcha.

I've been away for a long time so I don't know the detail on Scottish Water and Sepa, but a publicly owned body failing does not mean that the ideal of public ownership is failing any more than Blackberry showed that private enterprise is bound to fail.

We all have to be more demanding of our elected representatives, we don't have the option of not buying a product from them, well, I suppose we do in that we can vote for others, but they need to know that effluent in the seas and rivers is not acceptable

It wasn’t meant in any way to be a gotcha, just a frustration that whatever the system our marine environment is still being trashed. There is a very widely held view that because our water is publicly run everything is OK, it’s really not, and in some ways even more frustrating because SG will just not engage on it because they don’t want to have to confront and admit the reality.

SEPA are being defunded year on year and under huge amounts of political pressure to toe the line.

I do think the tide (no pun) is slightly turning though. We have our local Surfers Against Sewage (combined with our community pressure group) Paddle Out Protest today and our sign ups have quadrupled since last years event and expecting many more to turn up. All the new prospective MP’s have been extremely supportive and joining today and have made the issue a priority in their upcoming manifestos. Well, all except one.

[Waudbee]

Furore from British farmers as supermarket Morrisons sell NZ lamb.

Pretty sad that our farmers cannot be competitive. Anyway I couldn't afford either option. Lamb and beef prices are incredible.

[Tichtheid]

Doesn’t really matter if they are still pumping shit into the rivers and sea

That's not a Gotcha.

I've been away for a long time so I don't know the detail on Scottish Water and Sepa, but a publicly owned body failing does not mean that the ideal of public ownership is failing any more than Blackberry showed that private enterprise is bound to fail.

We all have to be more demanding of our elected representatives, we don't have the option of not buying a product from them, well, I suppose we do in that we can vote for others, but they need to know that effluent in the seas and rivers is not acceptable

It wasn’t meant in any way to be a gotcha, just a frustration that whatever the system our marine environment is still being trashed. There is a very widely held view that because our water is publicly run everything is OK, it’s really not, and in some ways even more frustrating because SG will just not engage on it because they don’t want to have to confront and admit the reality.

SEPA are being defunded year on year and under huge amounts of political pressure to toe the line.

I do think the tide (no pun) is slightly turning though. We have our local Surfers Against Sewage (combined with our community pressure group) Paddle Out Protest today and our sign ups have quadrupled since last years event and expecting many more to turn up. All the new prospective MP’s have been extremely supportive and joining today and have made the issue a priority in their upcoming manifestos. Well, all except one.

Soz, I know you’re on the good side of this, I was talking through beer and my annoyance at the Embra game.

[dpedin]

Doesn’t really matter if they are still pumping shit into the rivers and sea

That's not a Gotcha.

I've been away for a long time so I don't know the detail on Scottish Water and Sepa, but a publicly owned body failing does not mean that the ideal of public ownership is failing any more than Blackberry showed that private enterprise is bound to fail.

We all have to be more demanding of our elected representatives, we don't have the option of not buying a product from them, well, I suppose we do in that we can vote for others, but they need to know that effluent in the seas and rivers is not acceptable

It wasn’t meant in any way to be a gotcha, just a frustration that whatever the system our marine environment is still being trashed. There is a very widely held view that because our water is publicly run everything is OK, it’s really not, and in some ways even more frustrating because SG will just not engage on it because they don’t want to have to confront and admit the reality.

SEPA are being defunded year on year and under huge amounts of political pressure to toe the line.

I do think the tide (no pun) is slightly turning though. We have our local Surfers Against Sewage (combined with our community pressure group) Paddle Out Protest today and our sign ups have quadrupled since last years event and expecting many more to turn up. All the new prospective MP’s have been extremely supportive and joining today and have made the issue a priority in their upcoming manifestos. Well, all except one.

I agree Scottish Water could and should do more and stop sewage spills etc and it does need more investment particularly given climate change and the volumes of rain we had in the Spring. However Im not sure we have had the major widespread problems being experienced down south with significant interruptions to water supply, sewage spills regulalry into streets and people getting poisoned by their tap water? However I did have some wonderful 'peaty' water when in Tiree which helped my whisky no end! Also Scottish Water also doesn't pay £billions in dividends to overseas share holders. It does carry some debt but this is borrowed by Scottish Gov at preferential rates and doesnt have cliff edge when it needs to be rolled over.However main difference is that Scottish Water is accountable directly to Scottish Gov via SEPA. CEO salary is £295k, way below £million packages paid by private Water Companies.

[SaintK]

I'm sure the HOme Office can be trusted to manage this effectively!

Lawyers and migrant rights campaigners have warned that the government is heading for a repeat of the Windrush scandal after imposing a “cliff edge” deadline for immigrants to switch to new digital visas.
By the end of this year an estimated 500,000 or more non-EU immigrants with leave to remain in the UK will need to replace their physical biometric residence permits (BRPs) – which demonstrate proof of their right to reside, rent, work and claim benefits – with digital e-visas.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/a ... -deadline

[fishfoodie]

I'm sure the HOme Office can be trusted to manage this effectively!

Lawyers and migrant rights campaigners have warned that the government is heading for a repeat of the Windrush scandal after imposing a “cliff edge” deadline for immigrants to switch to new digital visas.
By the end of this year an estimated 500,000 or more non-EU immigrants with leave to remain in the UK will need to replace their physical biometric residence permits (BRPs) – which demonstrate proof of their right to reside, rent, work and claim benefits – with digital e-visas.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/a ... -deadline

Presumably the deadline is EOY, so that it'll happen in the early weeks of the Labour term, & then in a decades time when the Government is having another Inquiry, the Tories will claim it was all Labours fault ?

[_Os_]

I'm sure the HOme Office can be trusted to manage this effectively!

Lawyers and migrant rights campaigners have warned that the government is heading for a repeat of the Windrush scandal after imposing a “cliff edge” deadline for immigrants to switch to new digital visas.
By the end of this year an estimated 500,000 or more non-EU immigrants with leave to remain in the UK will need to replace their physical biometric residence permits (BRPs) – which demonstrate proof of their right to reside, rent, work and claim benefits – with digital e-visas.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/a ... -deadline

This will 100% be a total fucking mess.

There's already two legacy systems. The oldest is the one that existed before there was any system, just laws which had no enforcement mechanism and even the records the Home Office kept were destroyed (which is where the Windrush scandal victims come in). Then there was a system that attempted to enforce those laws, using stamps/paper visas in passports. Then there is the current system of biometric residency permits, which is an ID card. Now they're going create yet another new system of e-visas, which that article says will be a government run IT system which holds all the records without there being any physical proof.

My bet is most on ILR will have heard nothing about this change. They'll then bump into a "jumped up milk monitor" when they try to open a bank account/rent a house/get a job, who doesn't understand the system themselves (ie any of the legacy system forms of evidence are legal, even a stamp in an expired passport from the 1970s or something like that), who decides there's a problem. And if that happens in an unlucky way (someone loses their job etc), then that person's life is destroyed.

That person's complicated mess of a legal immigrant that the UK government has decided to turn into an illegal immigrant, then gets dumped onto the Home Office staff to try and fix. I have no clue why they keep changing this entire system, getting rid of physical proof of residency seems like a bad move.

[_Os_]

In the asylum part of the UK immigration system:

'It’s actual chaos,' a Home Office source tells i. 'They don’t understand what they’ve done and they need us to explain it to them.' “Inept” ministers who fail to understand “the mess they have created” are responsible for new delays to Rishi Sunak’s flagship Rwanda plan, Home Office insiders have told i.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/home- ... rs-3060457

As I've posted before, a big part of the problem in the UK is the people running it do not have a clue how it works. Because they do not understand their own country, they then do things which make it worse. There's now a broken asylum system, 75k-100k people are in limbo. There is no means to process that amount of people, nor the capacity to deport the failed claims once they're processed because the Rwanda scheme is shit (as both the PM and Home Secretary are known to believe too). Every week more people are added to the backlog. Eventually the only way to clear this up will be a mass amnesty.

[Slick]

That's not a Gotcha.

I've been away for a long time so I don't know the detail on Scottish Water and Sepa, but a publicly owned body failing does not mean that the ideal of public ownership is failing any more than Blackberry showed that private enterprise is bound to fail.

We all have to be more demanding of our elected representatives, we don't have the option of not buying a product from them, well, I suppose we do in that we can vote for others, but they need to know that effluent in the seas and rivers is not acceptable

It wasn’t meant in any way to be a gotcha, just a frustration that whatever the system our marine environment is still being trashed. There is a very widely held view that because our water is publicly run everything is OK, it’s really not, and in some ways even more frustrating because SG will just not engage on it because they don’t want to have to confront and admit the reality.

SEPA are being defunded year on year and under huge amounts of political pressure to toe the line.

I do think the tide (no pun) is slightly turning though. We have our local Surfers Against Sewage (combined with our community pressure group) Paddle Out Protest today and our sign ups have quadrupled since last years event and expecting many more to turn up. All the new prospective MP’s have been extremely supportive and joining today and have made the issue a priority in their upcoming manifestos. Well, all except one.

Soz, I know you’re on the good side of this, I was talking through beer and my annoyance at the Embra game.

No worries at all, didn’t take it that way

[Slick]

That's not a Gotcha.

I've been away for a long time so I don't know the detail on Scottish Water and Sepa, but a publicly owned body failing does not mean that the ideal of public ownership is failing any more than Blackberry showed that private enterprise is bound to fail.

We all have to be more demanding of our elected representatives, we don't have the option of not buying a product from them, well, I suppose we do in that we can vote for others, but they need to know that effluent in the seas and rivers is not acceptable

It wasn’t meant in any way to be a gotcha, just a frustration that whatever the system our marine environment is still being trashed. There is a very widely held view that because our water is publicly run everything is OK, it’s really not, and in some ways even more frustrating because SG will just not engage on it because they don’t want to have to confront and admit the reality.

SEPA are being defunded year on year and under huge amounts of political pressure to toe the line.

I do think the tide (no pun) is slightly turning though. We have our local Surfers Against Sewage (combined with our community pressure group) Paddle Out Protest today and our sign ups have quadrupled since last years event and expecting many more to turn up. All the new prospective MP’s have been extremely supportive and joining today and have made the issue a priority in their upcoming manifestos. Well, all except one.

I agree Scottish Water could and should do more and stop sewage spills etc and it does need more investment particularly given climate change and the volumes of rain we had in the Spring. However Im not sure we have had the major widespread problems being experienced down south with significant interruptions to water supply, sewage spills regulalry into streets and people getting poisoned by their tap water? However I did have some wonderful 'peaty' water when in Tiree which helped my whisky no end! Also Scottish Water also doesn't pay £billions in dividends to overseas share holders. It does carry some debt but this is borrowed by Scottish Gov at preferential rates and doesnt have cliff edge when it needs to be rolled over.However main difference is that Scottish Water is accountable directly to Scottish Gov via SEPA. CEO salary is £295k, way below £million packages paid by private Water Companies.

We’ve got no idea of the scale of the problem in Scotland - only 4% of outflows are monitored - it’s 100% in England so at least there is accountability of sorts.They promised to add a thousand more in the last year but are refusing to give an update on that and zero new ones have officially come on line.

Being accountable to the government sounds like a nice idea but not when it’s a government who don’t do bad news when there is no one else to blame. As I said above, SEPA has been absolutely gutted and warned off rocking the boat - this is straight from the horses mouth by the way.

I do think it’s fair to say it’s not as bad as England, but it’s still a national disgrace and, as I say, we still don’t even know the scale of the problem

[ScarfaceClaw]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-69031180

Unpaid carers must repay more than £250 million after many were unknowingly overpaid their allowance, new figures show.
The government is seeking to recover money from more than 134,000 carers.

So instead of scrapping to just over the £151 a week threshold by taking a part time job at a supermarket they should have cosied up with a Tory MP and snaffled the a cheeky £250m with a dodgy PPE company.