I am not good with english essays, should leave it to Os.
This was an important tournament and usually a challenge, the first one after a world cup tournament. NZ have dominate this tournament as long as it exist. This year was a bit different compare to the previous ones in the fixtures list. The All Blacks got the difficult draw by playing two tests in South Africa, we had two in Australia and Argentina two in NZ.
The biggest winner in this tournament have to be Argentina. They came in a whisper being the winner.
Both the All Blacks and Wallabies grew with new coaches and specially the Wallabies with a lot of new players.
The Springboks was settled after winning the WC but the most impressive from a supporter point of view is that Rassie keep on changing and surprising with new tactics , new gameplan and youngsters settling in with ease.
Good luck with the EYT tours coming up and hope our teams make us proud against the NH.
Os will provide the detail with You Tube videos and fileofaxes.
As the dust settles -TRC debrief
New Zealand have a lot of work to do.
I do believe it has to do with limited exposure to the NH sides. It just hasn't been necessary for NZ to look at building their depth. Something South African franchises are already doing. Never mind the National side.
But that's their issue to resolve.
Argentina take a bow. Young and full of energy. You can see the players are plying their trade in Europe. Great rugby from them. Pity the final match was a blow out. They had an exemplary record with cards prior to the final and that's where it went pear shaped. But good on them for not giving up.
Wallabies.....yoh. don't know what to say.
The Irish...weep tears lads. They can only dream of competing in such a competition.
I do believe it has to do with limited exposure to the NH sides. It just hasn't been necessary for NZ to look at building their depth. Something South African franchises are already doing. Never mind the National side.
But that's their issue to resolve.
Argentina take a bow. Young and full of energy. You can see the players are plying their trade in Europe. Great rugby from them. Pity the final match was a blow out. They had an exemplary record with cards prior to the final and that's where it went pear shaped. But good on them for not giving up.
Wallabies.....yoh. don't know what to say.
The Irish...weep tears lads. They can only dream of competing in such a competition.
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NZ have been very exposed at the breakdown throughout the tournament. We’ve been repeatedly turned over and more often than not been second to the rucks. The balance and cohesion of the loosies isn’t there and it all seems very individual effort.Sards wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 5:07 am New Zealand have a lot of work to do.
I do believe it has to do with limited exposure to the NH sides. It just hasn't been necessary for NZ to look at building their depth. Something South African franchises are already doing. Never mind the National side.
But that's their issue to resolve.
Argentina take a bow. Young and full of energy. You can see the players are plying their trade in Europe. Great rugby from them. Pity the final match was a blow out. They had an exemplary record with cards prior to the final and that's where it went pear shaped. But good on them for not giving up.
Wallabies.....yoh. don't know what to say.
The Irish...weep tears lads. They can only dream of competing in such a competition.
Don’t get me started on the rhythm and pattern ruining aimlessness of Mackenzie.
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And Flappy should have been banned for that haircut.
Argentina were immense and I really hope they can kick on from what has been a great tournament. After a RWC semi-final and now this TRC campaign, they are definitely a team to take seriously and I hope they can claim some NH scalps in November, but with Italy, Ireland and France it's going to be tough. Their challenges seem to be the same as always, player depth and discipline and it's going to take some time to correct that.
NZ are a lot better than many give them credit for. They are still formidable and just need to embrace their international players and bring them back into the fold. They lost 2 matches in South Africa by less than a score each, and could've arguably won the Cape Town test had a penalty kick gone over. That's how close the margins are at the moment. They will be fine in 2 years' time. Issues are breakdown aggression and relying too much on McKenzie to magic up some opportunities when he gets the ball. He shouldn't be playing 10 IMO. He's a devastating 15, but not a great 10 at test level. Bring back Richie or try some youngster and move DMac back to 15. Breakdowns are different challenge and correcting that while playing Super Rugby vs the Aussies and PI teams isn't going to work. That might continue to be a weakness for NZ rugby for a while. That being said, they did hurt us there in the 2nd test in Cape Town by being very fast and very clinical, so the alternative style there can work in certain scenarios or with certain referees.
Australia I have no notes. Smarter people than me have laid out everything that is currently wrong there. I wish Joe Schmidt and the blazers running the show there the best of luck. They have a massive hole to dig themselves out of and I hope they can do it before the Lions Tour and the next RWC. This TRC must've been a massive eye opener for them and how far they have to go still.
Boks, well, happy we won it, annoyed we dropped the match in Argentina. We still have some consistency issues and we really struggle when we have the favourites tag and the #1 ranking. We need to get over this habit of only performing well when we are the underdogs or when it's a do-or-die knockout match. That is the real evolution that is needed if we are going to be a team like the 2010-2015 All Black team.
Biggest positives are some of the new blood that's been introduced and Rassie and co being confident enough to experiment a little. It's such a luxury to have a settled, happy and supremely confident team that allows him to experiment with players and tactics. We haven't had that in so long. The finds have been Sacha and Fassi which is going to cause Rassie some serious selection headaches over the next 3-4 years. Finding a balance between playmakers like Libbok, Sacha and Willemse, attacking weapons like Fassi, Kolbe, KLA and Moodie, and stable and dependable level heads like Pollard, DDA, Kriel and Am is going to be a massive challenge but as they say; "It's a nice problem to have". Goalkicking will continue to be an issue I think. We are going to persist with multiple kickers depending on the team selection and substitutions and will likely lose a couple of matches because of it. No clear solution there.
In the forwards I'm a little more worried as no clear successors have emerged for PSdT, Etzebeth and Kolisi. BJ Dixon looked good initially and then dropped off a bit, Moerat still hasn't shown why Rassie has so much faith in him. His URC campaign is going to be critical I feel as a lot of eyes will be on him. Nortje stepped up nicely though. Grobbelaar and Wessels were okay. Louw seems to be a decent backup at 8 for Wiese.
NZ are a lot better than many give them credit for. They are still formidable and just need to embrace their international players and bring them back into the fold. They lost 2 matches in South Africa by less than a score each, and could've arguably won the Cape Town test had a penalty kick gone over. That's how close the margins are at the moment. They will be fine in 2 years' time. Issues are breakdown aggression and relying too much on McKenzie to magic up some opportunities when he gets the ball. He shouldn't be playing 10 IMO. He's a devastating 15, but not a great 10 at test level. Bring back Richie or try some youngster and move DMac back to 15. Breakdowns are different challenge and correcting that while playing Super Rugby vs the Aussies and PI teams isn't going to work. That might continue to be a weakness for NZ rugby for a while. That being said, they did hurt us there in the 2nd test in Cape Town by being very fast and very clinical, so the alternative style there can work in certain scenarios or with certain referees.
Australia I have no notes. Smarter people than me have laid out everything that is currently wrong there. I wish Joe Schmidt and the blazers running the show there the best of luck. They have a massive hole to dig themselves out of and I hope they can do it before the Lions Tour and the next RWC. This TRC must've been a massive eye opener for them and how far they have to go still.
Boks, well, happy we won it, annoyed we dropped the match in Argentina. We still have some consistency issues and we really struggle when we have the favourites tag and the #1 ranking. We need to get over this habit of only performing well when we are the underdogs or when it's a do-or-die knockout match. That is the real evolution that is needed if we are going to be a team like the 2010-2015 All Black team.
Biggest positives are some of the new blood that's been introduced and Rassie and co being confident enough to experiment a little. It's such a luxury to have a settled, happy and supremely confident team that allows him to experiment with players and tactics. We haven't had that in so long. The finds have been Sacha and Fassi which is going to cause Rassie some serious selection headaches over the next 3-4 years. Finding a balance between playmakers like Libbok, Sacha and Willemse, attacking weapons like Fassi, Kolbe, KLA and Moodie, and stable and dependable level heads like Pollard, DDA, Kriel and Am is going to be a massive challenge but as they say; "It's a nice problem to have". Goalkicking will continue to be an issue I think. We are going to persist with multiple kickers depending on the team selection and substitutions and will likely lose a couple of matches because of it. No clear solution there.
In the forwards I'm a little more worried as no clear successors have emerged for PSdT, Etzebeth and Kolisi. BJ Dixon looked good initially and then dropped off a bit, Moerat still hasn't shown why Rassie has so much faith in him. His URC campaign is going to be critical I feel as a lot of eyes will be on him. Nortje stepped up nicely though. Grobbelaar and Wessels were okay. Louw seems to be a decent backup at 8 for Wiese.
Yup, its a recurring issue: Either playmakers at 10/15 or goal kickers. We never seem to have both in the same team.Blake wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:18 am Goalkicking will continue to be an issue I think. We are going to persist with multiple kickers depending on the team selection and substitutions and will likely lose a couple of matches because of it. No clear solution there.
They could play Sacha at 12 or 15 if Manie is at 10.Sandstorm wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:21 amYup, its a recurring issue: Either playmakers at 10/15 or goal kickers. We never seem to have both in the same team.Blake wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:18 am Goalkicking will continue to be an issue I think. We are going to persist with multiple kickers depending on the team selection and substitutions and will likely lose a couple of matches because of it. No clear solution there.
When his knee's are better
]So Manie, Willemse and Sasha. Fassi on the bench.Chilli2 wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:35 amThey could play Sacha at 12 or 15 if Manie is at 10.Sandstorm wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:21 amYup, its a recurring issue: Either playmakers at 10/15 or goal kickers. We never seem to have both in the same team.Blake wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:18 am Goalkicking will continue to be an issue I think. We are going to persist with multiple kickers depending on the team selection and substitutions and will likely lose a couple of matches because of it. No clear solution there.
When his knee's are better
$ards in 3..2..
While Sacha and Willemse have both put in some great performances at 12 in the URC, it is not as straightforward forcing them into the backline with 12 jersey when a player like DDA is so impactful for us.Chilli2 wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:35 amThey could play Sacha at 12 or 15 if Manie is at 10.Sandstorm wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:21 amYup, its a recurring issue: Either playmakers at 10/15 or goal kickers. We never seem to have both in the same team.Blake wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:18 am Goalkicking will continue to be an issue I think. We are going to persist with multiple kickers depending on the team selection and substitutions and will likely lose a couple of matches because of it. No clear solution there.
When his knee's are better
Sometimes you need a big bosh merchant to truck it up the midfield and get you some go-forward and DDA is just the best at that. After 2-3 big carries and they start defending more narrow which creates some space out wide for a 15 to join the line and release the wings.
I think there are diminishing returns when you have too many playmakers on the field at the same time. At some point they are going to start stumbling over one another. So Rassie is going to have to play musical chairs with: SFM, Libbok and Pollard in the 10 jersey, and Fassi, Willemse and SFM in the 15 jersey, while also ensuring that there is goal kicker on the field that isn't Libbok.
And then you also still have Jordan Hendrikse who will also come into this picture again. He's also got a terrific boot, can also play 10, 12 and 15 and is looking in great form for the Sharks after his somewhat shaky debut against Wales . And Willie le Roux who needs to get his last 3 tests under his belt before being put out to pasture.
Glad I don't have to solve that puzzle. I almost think Rassie will be relieved when some of the players start to retire just so that he doesn't have this headache.
And we have to find a replacement bosch merchant for DDA.Blake wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:43 pmWhile Sacha and Willemse have both put in some great performances at 12 in the URC, it is not as straightforward forcing them into the backline with 12 jersey when a player like DDA is so impactful for us.
Sometimes you need a big bosh merchant to truck it up the midfield and get you some go-forward and DDA is just the best at that. After 2-3 big carries and they start defending more narrow which creates some space out wide for a 15 to join the line and release the wings.
I think there are diminishing returns when you have too many playmakers on the field at the same time. At some point they are going to start stumbling over one another. So Rassie is going to have to play musical chairs with: SFM, Libbok and Pollard in the 10 jersey, and Fassi, Willemse and SFM in the 15 jersey, while also ensuring that there is goal kicker on the field that isn't Libbok.
And then you also still have Jordan Hendrikse who will also come into this picture again. He's also got a terrific boot, can also play 10, 12 and 15 and is looking in great form for the Sharks after his somewhat shaky debut against Wales . And Willie le Roux who needs to get his last 3 tests under his belt before being put out to pasture.
Glad I don't have to solve that puzzle. I almost think Rassie will be relieved when some of the players start to retire just so that he doesn't have this headache.
Ja, DDA will be 33 by the end of the year so we probably only have a couple more years of him. Not sure if he's going to make it to RWC2027.
Andre Esterhuizen was the obvious successor. Amazing player, but not sure how many more chances he's going to get tbh.
An idea I like is to maybe slot Pollard in at 12. He's played there for the Bulls and for Leicester. He can bosh it up with the best of them and is pretty solid on defence and that allows you to have Manie at 10 on attacking plays and rotate Pollard in at 10 for 22 exits and also to kick for goal. Polly is only 30 so he should still be solid in 2027.
And then you can have one of SFM, Willemse and Fassi starting at 15 and the other 2 on the bench. That is pretty tasty.
Sorry, I've never been convinced with Pollard at 12. He just has no eye for a gap any more and doesn't really make yards. Just gets tackled too easily.Blake wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 2:01 pm
An idea I like is to maybe slot Pollard in at 12. He's played there for the Bulls and for Leicester. He can bosh it up with the best of them and is pretty solid on defence
He'd probably be a great 12 for Wales or Portugal, but the Boks are another level.
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Ellendig and Kriel struggles with Tony Brown gameplay. After all the flak Manie got last week, he have the long or foot pass to the wings. Kolbey never had that much possession then Saturday.
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They also had worlds of space with all the cards. The Argies didn't do themselves any favours.
I'm sorry, Manie just doesn't cut it for me on international level. I would rather have a solid type 10. If you have a keen eye, you will spot how the defensive patterns differs when Manie is on as opposed to Pollard. There is too much "plan maak" with Manie on the pitch.
Sacha is a much better option going forward, I've had my eye on him since his days with the U20 and he's impressed me greatly. Jordan Hendrikse is also one to keep an eye on.
This is purely my opinion, and I'll stand by it regardless of what Rassie & co does. They do tend to look at players differently and have their reasons. I'm still of the opinion they are over complicating things to justify keeping Manie.
I'm sorry, Manie just doesn't cut it for me on international level. I would rather have a solid type 10. If you have a keen eye, you will spot how the defensive patterns differs when Manie is on as opposed to Pollard. There is too much "plan maak" with Manie on the pitch.
Sacha is a much better option going forward, I've had my eye on him since his days with the U20 and he's impressed me greatly. Jordan Hendrikse is also one to keep an eye on.
This is purely my opinion, and I'll stand by it regardless of what Rassie & co does. They do tend to look at players differently and have their reasons. I'm still of the opinion they are over complicating things to justify keeping Manie.
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My time, my bandwidth, I'll post were I want.
You are just wanking on a TRC thread dude...........Do whatever you want. Its your reputation not mine
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I'm not wanking on anything. I made a statement about a player that plays for a team who competed in the TRC. This fred is about the TRC. Relevant.
Go post about your laaitjies cricket on the SA school sports fred
Go post about your laaitjies cricket on the SA school sports fred
Don't be jealous of my laaitjies dude....average joe wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:06 am I'm not wanking on anything. I made a statement about a player that plays for a team who competed in the TRC. This fred is about the TRC. Relevant.
Go post about your laaitjies cricket on the SA school sports fred
Thats a common trait for common people.
Why are you being a dick to AJ today?Sards wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:12 amDon't be jealous of my laaitjies dude....average joe wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:06 am I'm not wanking on anything. I made a statement about a player that plays for a team who competed in the TRC. This fred is about the TRC. Relevant.
Go post about your laaitjies cricket on the SA school sports fred
Thats a common trait for common people.
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I'm not jealous of anyone. I have two wonderful girls of my own, I just don't like exposing them on the interwebz. Anyways, you've derailed this thread enough with your fokkon preaching.
Moving on.
Moving on.