Is Rassie the GOAT?

[Sandstorm]

Squidge says Yes.

[assfly]

I actually watched the whole thing last night.

Not his usual type of video, but still very interesting.

His conclusion is yes, but I also like his comment that it would be interesting to see if Rassie could experience the same success with another country.

[OomStruisbaai]

He must be the GOAT. No other coach have more politics then us. He took the Springboks from zero to WC champs in 2 years. He tick all the boxes.

[assfly]

He must be the GOAT. No other coach have more politics then us. He took the Springboks from zero to WC champs in 2 years. He tick all the boxes.

There is even more to it than that. The video explains a lot initiatives he put in place a long time ago to identify talent beyond the traditional schools and clubs. KLA is a good example of this.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Short answer is yes.

[Niegs]

He’s no Carwyn James

[boere wors]

I actually watched the whole thing last night.

Not his usual type of video, but still very interesting.

His conclusion is yes, but I also like his comment that it would be interesting to see if Rassie could experience the same success with another country.

He answered this question himself… when rumors came up after 2019 that he is going to coach England, he posted a video of him with an inspirational speech he gave the players and asked: „What would i tell THEM?“

[JM2K6]

I'm just glad Squidge has finally moved on from Eddie

[Sandstorm]

I'm just glad Squidge has finally moved on from Eddie

[Slick]

A blight on our game

[Niegs]

A blight on our game

Squidge? Agreed.

[Kiwias]

He’s no Carwyn James

Not a Fred Allen either

[assfly]

He answered this question himself… when rumors came up after 2019 that he is going to coach England, he posted a video of him with an inspirational speech he gave the players and asked: „What would i tell THEM?“

He's still young, for an international coach and director of rugby. Once he's done with the Boks, I've love to see him have success with another country, preferably a developing team. Maybe one of our neighbours.

[OomStruisbaai]

He answered this question himself… when rumors came up after 2019 that he is going to coach England, he posted a video of him with an inspirational speech he gave the players and asked: „What would i tell THEM?“

He's still young, for an international coach and director of rugby. Once he's done with the Boks, I've love to see him have success with another country, preferably a developing team. Maybe one of our neighbours.

The Scottish love SA coaches.

Slick in 3.2.1

[Slick]

He answered this question himself… when rumors came up after 2019 that he is going to coach England, he posted a video of him with an inspirational speech he gave the players and asked: „What would i tell THEM?“

He's still young, for an international coach and director of rugby. Once he's done with the Boks, I've love to see him have success with another country, preferably a developing team. Maybe one of our neighbours.

The Scottish love SA coaches.

Slick in 3.2.1

[Blake]

He answered this question himself… when rumors came up after 2019 that he is going to coach England, he posted a video of him with an inspirational speech he gave the players and asked: „What would i tell THEM?“

He's still young, for an international coach and director of rugby. Once he's done with the Boks, I've love to see him have success with another country, preferably a developing team. Maybe one of our neighbours.

So Rassie is 51, but his health is declining fast.
I'm not sure how much of that can be attributed to the stress of the Bok job (look at how badly Jake White and some of the other coaches aged during their tenures), and how much to his polyangiitis diagnosis, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him step down from coaching in the next cycle. If the Boks make it to the semi's in the 2027 RWC he'll probably spend the 2027-2031 cycle identifying a successor and stepping away. That would be my guess.

As for the question if he could replicate his success outside of South Africa...that's a tough one. By all accounts Munster were on the up while he was in charge, and nobody I've found has had a bad thing to say about him as a coach. I think his skill is reading the players, being empathetic, being honest and transparent with them and treating them a professionals and human beings and finding that one thing they can rally around. Those values would be universally appreciated anywhere and tends to bring out the best in people. As a result his teams have almost always performed better than the sum of their parts. So relatively speaking, he'd likely be able to get them to perform at their maximum potential. Whether that would be enough an open question as it will also be dependent on the players at his disposal.

[Sandstorm]

I think his skill is reading the players, being empathetic, being honest and transparent with them and treating them a professionals and human beings and finding that one thing they can rally around. Those values would be universally appreciated anywhere and tends to bring out the best in people.

Let me say it before Slick does: "Well if he can be professional towards players, why can't he be the same way with our hard-working and long-suffering referees??"

[epwc]

treating them a professionals and human beings

This bit, maybe he doesn't believe refs are professionals or human beings?

[OomStruisbaai]

treating them a professionals and human beings

This bit, maybe he doesn't believe refs are professionals or human beings?

Rassie changed his ref attitude. Much better these days.

[Blake]

treating them a professionals and human beings

This bit, maybe he doesn't believe refs are professionals or human beings?

He cares deeply about his players and had an adversarial relationships towards the referees before and during the Lions incident.

He has been quite open about his change of heart on the matter. The cynical among us might think it’s only to gain a competitive advantage that he is sucking up to the refs now, others believe it is genuine and one of the reasons why he brought Jaco Peyper into the Bok management team. The truth is it’s probably a bit of both, but having a referee in the team seems to have genuinely softened their animosity towards referees in general…except for Willie le Roux who is still a whiny little bitch.

[assfly]

So Rassie is 51, but his health is declining fast.
I'm not sure how much of that can be attributed to the stress of the Bok job (look at how badly Jake White and some of the other coaches aged during their tenures), and how much to his polyangiitis diagnosis, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him step down from coaching in the next cycle. If the Boks make it to the semi's in the 2027 RWC he'll probably spend the 2027-2031 cycle identifying a successor and stepping away. That would be my guess.

As for the question if he could replicate his success outside of South Africa...that's a tough one. By all accounts Munster were on the up while he was in charge, and nobody I've found has had a bad thing to say about him as a coach. I think his skill is reading the players, being empathetic, being honest and transparent with them and treating them a professionals and human beings and finding that one thing they can rally around. Those values would be universally appreciated anywhere and tends to bring out the best in people. As a result his teams have almost always performed better than the sum of their parts. So relatively speaking, he'd likely be able to get them to perform at their maximum potential. Whether that would be enough an open question as it will also be dependent on the players at his disposal.

Ja I think being at the frontline has really taken its toll on him, as will the next three years. Perhaps Rassie being a DOR and leaving the day to day stuff to a head coach would have been better.

I also think the chances of him coaching another international team are slim. You can see from his coaching style it's about the raw emotion of being South African. But it would be a shame to see all his experience and talent retire with him.

[Blake]

You can see from his coaching style it's about the raw emotion of being South African. But it would be a shame to see all his experience and talent retire with him.

I think he just uses that because it works with this group of players...the "Us against the world" mentality is useful in this curated group of individuals, where he can lean in hard on their struggles and and the adversity they have overcome as a tool to motivate them and create bonds between team mates. It also looks as if he is trying to transition to something new with the new blood and next generation coming in.

At the Cheetahs he used their status as underfunded underdogs, and at Munster he would've found and used something else.

[Sandstorm]

You can see from his coaching style it's about the raw emotion of being South African. But it would be a shame to see all his experience and talent retire with him.

I think he just uses that because it works with this group of players...the "Us against the world" mentality is useful in this curated group of individuals, where he can lean in hard on their struggles and and the adversity they have overcome as a tool to motivate them and create bonds.

Yeah, the way to get the best out of millionaires like Kwagga, Marx, PSDT and DDA who play their club rugby in Japan is to use the Saffer-laager mentality during team talks.

[Blake]

You can see from his coaching style it's about the raw emotion of being South African. But it would be a shame to see all his experience and talent retire with him.

I think he just uses that because it works with this group of players...the "Us against the world" mentality is useful in this curated group of individuals, where he can lean in hard on their struggles and and the adversity they have overcome as a tool to motivate them and create bonds.

Yeah, the way to get the best out of millionaires like Kwagga, Marx, PSDT and DDA who play their club rugby in Japan is to use the Saffer-laager mentality during team talks.

They weren't always millionaires, but many are now, hence the slow switch in focus when you listen carefully and consume some of the behind the scenes content.
In the 2018-2021 period it as very effective.
Kwagga growing up on a farm and the stress that farmers and their families struggle with due to the uncertainty.
Marx (and Duane Vermeulen) who lost their dads before they were 10 and had to be the men of the house and the sacrifices and struggles of their mothers.
PSdT with all the injuries he's had to overcome and all the expectations players like he (and Francois Louw) have riding on their shoulders as they have Bok and WP legends as fathers and grandfathers.
DDA growing up in Milnerton...

He made sure to know all their stories, zero in on any childhood traumas, find a common thread and turn it into fuel. Sure it's manipulative, but it's more effective and likely therapeutic, than to it than to let it fester and consume you.

[LoveOfTheGame]

I think he just uses that because it works with this group of players...the "Us against the world" mentality is useful in this curated group of individuals, where he can lean in hard on their struggles and and the adversity they have overcome as a tool to motivate them and create bonds.

Yeah, the way to get the best out of millionaires like Kwagga, Marx, PSDT and DDA who play their club rugby in Japan is to use the Saffer-laager mentality during team talks.

They weren't always millionaires, but many are now, hence the slow switch in focus when you listen carefully and consume some of the behind the scenes content.
In the 2018-2021 period it as very effective.
Kwagga growing up on a farm and the stress that farmers and their families struggle with due to the uncertainty.
Marx (and Duane Vermeulen) who lost their dads before they were 10 and had to be the men of the house and the sacrifices and struggles of their mothers.
PSdT with all the injuries he's had to overcome and all the expectations players like he (and Francois Louw) have riding on their shoulders as they have Bok and WP legends as fathers and grandfathers.
DDA growing up in Milnerton...

He made sure to know all their stories, zero in on any childhood traumas, find a common thread and turn it into fuel. Sure it's manipulative, but it's more effective and likely therapeutic, than to it than to let it fester and consume you.

[Blake]

Some very obvious bait for Sards there...

[assfly]

[Sandstorm]

Some very obvious bait for Sards there...

[Chilli2]

Sards is from Epworth in Deben and now lives in Parklands...........................he wishes he was from Millerton.