Climate Change - Why don't we care?

[epwc]

Fuck you brown people:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... ic-drought

[Biffer]

Fuck you brown people:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... ic-drought

Add to the numbers in that article those facing famine in The Sahel, Sudan / South Sudan / Somalia and DRC.

[epwc]

That's just in Africa, plenty of issues in Asia too

[Niegs]

Early days of some of those regions becoming barely habitable? More and more emigrating already, wanting a better life, and much more land here up north…

I wonder if Canada and Russia (once Putin kicks it) become the destinations for future generations of producers and if climate change makes them much more productive in terms of food generations from now? Looking at a job in ‘near northern’ Ontario recently, I was reminded that the area still has a lot of farming, early settlers carving it out of heavy bush and doing fairly well despite being colder than southern parts because it’s in a massive, ancient river valley. Young Mennonite farmers are moving further north as land in the south goes for about 2-3 million now and just a few 100k for the same amount there.

[epwc]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... raji-usagi

[epwc]

[epwc]

'Everything's been wiped out': Flood hit-residents reeling from Storm Bert destruction

Laura Jones has a crafts shop in Tenbury Wells, an area of Worcestershire which has been severely affected by Storm Bert.

She tells BBC 5 Live Breakfast how she and her husband were "desperately" trying to protect their shop from the floods, but were forced to leave after hearing firemen tell them to "get out".

Today, surveying the damage, they're not sure what's next.

"Everything’s been wiped out this time," she says. This isn't the first time their business has been damaged from flooding. Six weeks ago, the same thing happened.

"Because we can’t have insurance, we had to put £2,500 of our own money into stock to restock the shop and we’ve got another £1,000 of stock to be paid for and now it’s all gone and there’s no way we can do it out of our own money again," she says.

"Business is totally finished, flooding has wiped us out one too many times."

Jones's husband was due to retire next year, and she says she was planning on using the crafts shop to keep going until she retired soon after - but now that dream's gone.

"This is the end sadly," Jones says, adding that the pair are now "living hour by hour".


I know the owner of one of the last proper fruit tree nursery in the UK, they're in Tenbury Wells, must check in on him.

[epwc]

He says "Yes another flood unfortunately and rather often these days. We will recover I'm sure."

It's got to be a massive cost for them, must also cut down their dispatch season for bare root trees, the ground has to be dry enough to pull the fuckers up.

[SaintK]

'Everything's been wiped out': Flood hit-residents reeling from Storm Bert destruction

Laura Jones has a crafts shop in Tenbury Wells, an area of Worcestershire which has been severely affected by Storm Bert.

She tells BBC 5 Live Breakfast how she and her husband were "desperately" trying to protect their shop from the floods, but were forced to leave after hearing firemen tell them to "get out".

Today, surveying the damage, they're not sure what's next.

"Everything’s been wiped out this time," she says. This isn't the first time their business has been damaged from flooding. Six weeks ago, the same thing happened.

"Because we can’t have insurance, we had to put £2,500 of our own money into stock to restock the shop and we’ve got another £1,000 of stock to be paid for and now it’s all gone and there’s no way we can do it out of our own money again," she says.

"Business is totally finished, flooding has wiped us out one too many times."

Jones's husband was due to retire next year, and she says she was planning on using the crafts shop to keep going until she retired soon after - but now that dream's gone.

"This is the end sadly," Jones says, adding that the pair are now "living hour by hour".


I know the owner of one of the last proper fruit tree nursery in the UK, they're in Tenbury Wells, must check in on him.

This twat wants sorting out

Officers said they were talking to people living and working in Teme Street, Tenbury Wells, after a video went viral of a tractor driving through the town centre and sending floodwater spraying into homes and businesses.
The video caused outrage and there have been reports that the action caused damage, such as shop windows being smashed and flood water breaching defences as a result.

[Yeeb]

'Everything's been wiped out': Flood hit-residents reeling from Storm Bert destruction

Laura Jones has a crafts shop in Tenbury Wells, an area of Worcestershire which has been severely affected by Storm Bert.

She tells BBC 5 Live Breakfast how she and her husband were "desperately" trying to protect their shop from the floods, but were forced to leave after hearing firemen tell them to "get out".

Today, surveying the damage, they're not sure what's next.

"Everything’s been wiped out this time," she says. This isn't the first time their business has been damaged from flooding. Six weeks ago, the same thing happened.

"Because we can’t have insurance, we had to put £2,500 of our own money into stock to restock the shop and we’ve got another £1,000 of stock to be paid for and now it’s all gone and there’s no way we can do it out of our own money again," she says.

"Business is totally finished, flooding has wiped us out one too many times."

Jones's husband was due to retire next year, and she says she was planning on using the crafts shop to keep going until she retired soon after - but now that dream's gone.

"This is the end sadly," Jones says, adding that the pair are now "living hour by hour".


I know the owner of one of the last proper fruit tree nursery in the UK, they're in Tenbury Wells, must check in on him.

So on one page of forum , we can see two extremes in emotion induced by climate change : first, a Zambian farmer who is wiped out and women are going on the game to earn money; and second , an owner of a crafts shop in an unsuitable uninsurable location in a town famed for its water and springs , who has been flooded out for second time in two months.
One has no food, and the other has no dry placemats, wind chimes or little notebooks with ten pages in them and pics of ducks over it for £15

[inactionman]

I feel sorry for both of them. It's not a zero-sum game.

[Yeeb]

I feel sorry for both of them. It's not a zero-sum game.

Maybe Laura can send some of those wet balls of yarn to Zambia to dry out in the sun ?

[epwc]

first, a Zambian farmer who is wiped out and women are going on the game to earn money

But what about IHT?

We really are in a bad place overall, we have no empathy. I feel like it used to be different (pre Thatcher) but maybe that's just rose tinted spectacles

[Biffer]

'Everything's been wiped out': Flood hit-residents reeling from Storm Bert destruction

Laura Jones has a crafts shop in Tenbury Wells, an area of Worcestershire which has been severely affected by Storm Bert.

She tells BBC 5 Live Breakfast how she and her husband were "desperately" trying to protect their shop from the floods, but were forced to leave after hearing firemen tell them to "get out".

Today, surveying the damage, they're not sure what's next.

"Everything’s been wiped out this time," she says. This isn't the first time their business has been damaged from flooding. Six weeks ago, the same thing happened.

"Because we can’t have insurance, we had to put £2,500 of our own money into stock to restock the shop and we’ve got another £1,000 of stock to be paid for and now it’s all gone and there’s no way we can do it out of our own money again," she says.

"Business is totally finished, flooding has wiped us out one too many times."

Jones's husband was due to retire next year, and she says she was planning on using the crafts shop to keep going until she retired soon after - but now that dream's gone.

"This is the end sadly," Jones says, adding that the pair are now "living hour by hour".


I know the owner of one of the last proper fruit tree nursery in the UK, they're in Tenbury Wells, must check in on him.

This twat wants sorting out

Officers said they were talking to people living and working in Teme Street, Tenbury Wells, after a video went viral of a tractor driving through the town centre and sending floodwater spraying into homes and businesses.
The video caused outrage and there have been reports that the action caused damage, such as shop windows being smashed and flood water breaching defences as a result.

The response on twitter to the twat in the tractor is a demonstration of where that platform is atm. Loads of people saying what's the problem, damage already done, etcetc. Pricks.

[Tichtheid]

A personal bugbear of mine is rail ticket prices and all the various rules that have come with deregulation. The train is my favourite way to travel.


Prosecuting passengers for pocket change? Rail ticketing in Britain has become an absolute farce
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... uise-haigh


A 22 minute train ride from here to Edinburgh costs between ten and fifteen pounds return. There are so many restrictions on what trains you can get that if you can't be certain of your timings you can buy an "anytime" ticket which allows you to travel with any of the three companies that run on that line, but you have to buy that at the ticket office, you can't buy it online and it routes you though a town almost as far on the other side of Edinburgh - of course you get off and on at Waverley, but this is how the system works.
Stations are becoming more and more unmanned, indeed ours has cut its hours for the staff being there.

I've just had a look and if I wanted to get a short-notice train to London and back it would cost around three hundred pounds. To fly tomorrow and back at the weekend I can get a seat for two hundred pounds.

The fares above are without a railcard, which of course you could buy but that adds to the initial price of the ticket. I tried to get my over 55 railcard on the Scotrail website, it just doesn't work.
At the moment it's still cheaper to drive into Edinburgh, find a place where you can park for free and either walk or get a bus into the middle of town.

The bus from here is around eight quid return into Edinburgh, it takes an hour and twenty minutes to the middle of the city. The only trouble with that is that local people pile on the bus back and you often can't get on it, they get off before the outskirts of the city and it travels the rest of the journey almost empty.

[lemonhead]

He says "Yes another flood unfortunately and rather often these days. We will recover I'm sure."

It's got to be a massive cost for them, must also cut down their dispatch season for bare root trees, the ground has to be dry enough to pull the fuckers up.

Bit of a nightmare, although see they recently got an enterprise grant and you'd hope uptake is relatively slower this side of Christmas. Rarely got my arse in gear before January.

Went with Rogers in Pickering as they've a more hardy selection for altitude growing but both are very well known and loved, been on their site plenty of times

[lemonhead]

first, a Zambian farmer who is wiped out and women are going on the game to earn money

But what about IHT?

We really are in a bad place overall, we have no empathy. I feel like it used to be different (pre Thatcher) but maybe that's just rose tinted spectacles

Do absolutely believe the world's always been a volatile place with no end of atrocities going on, but our communities were felt stronger and less atomised. We didn't have access to all this horrible shit on demand 24/7 either, so much that it becomes commonplace.

Definitely lost empathy and probably quite a lot of innocence as well. The world I grew up in wasn't as desensitised to mass slaughter and starvation but who knows, maybe we were prosperous and more optimistic for the future as well. I don't like the look of ours.

There's so much more to it than that of course but seriously considering rationing phone/tablet use to 1hr a day and carrying a dumb phone round with me for work etc. Feels like our actual brains have changed shape as well. Feckit. Going to do an hour outside clearing up, get some air.

[inactionman]

A personal bugbear of mine is rail ticket prices and all the various rules that have come with deregulation. The train is my favourite way to travel.


Prosecuting passengers for pocket change? Rail ticketing in Britain has become an absolute farce
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... uise-haigh


A 22 minute train ride from here to Edinburgh costs between ten and fifteen pounds return. There are so many restrictions on what trains you can get that if you can't be certain of your timings you can buy an "anytime" ticket which allows you to travel with any of the three companies that run on that line, but you have to buy that at the ticket office, you can't buy it online and it routes you though a town almost as far on the other side of Edinburgh - of course you get off and on at Waverley, but this is how the system works.
Stations are becoming more and more unmanned, indeed ours has cut its hours for the staff being there.

I've just had a look and if I wanted to get a short-notice train to London and back it would cost around three hundred pounds. To fly tomorrow and back at the weekend I can get a seat for two hundred pounds.

The fares above are without a railcard, which of course you could buy but that adds to the initial price of the ticket. I tried to get my over 55 railcard on the Scotrail website, it just doesn't work.
At the moment it's still cheaper to drive into Edinburgh, find a place where you can park for free and either walk or get a bus into the middle of town.

The bus from here is around eight quid return into Edinburgh, it takes an hour and twenty minutes to the middle of the city. The only trouble with that is that local people pile on the bus back and you often can't get on it, they get off before the outskirts of the city and it travels the rest of the journey almost empty.

We're finding our street gets busy with a load of cars that commuters leave here to take the bus into Edinburgh. I view this as a compliment to the bus services, they are generally pretty good, but it does mean it gets very busy at peak times. It also means a fair few bus journeys are actually just for the last 2-3 miles and they're just truncated car journeys.

[Biffer]

first, a Zambian farmer who is wiped out and women are going on the game to earn money

But what about IHT?

We really are in a bad place overall, we have no empathy. I feel like it used to be different (pre Thatcher) but maybe that's just rose tinted spectacles

Do absolutely believe the world's always been a volatile place with no end of atrocities going on, but our communities were felt stronger and less atomised. We didn't have access to all this horrible shit on demand 24/7 either, so much that it becomes commonplace.

Definitely lost empathy and probably quite a lot of innocence as well. The world I grew up in wasn't as desensitised to mass slaughter and starvation but who knows, maybe we were prosperous and more optimistic for the future as well. I don't like the look of ours.

There's so much more to it than that of course but seriously considering rationing phone/tablet use to 1hr a day and carrying a dumb phone round with me for work etc. Feels like our actual brains have changed shape as well. Feckit. Going to do an hour outside clearing up, get some air.

We often tend to have a rosy view of the past though. We prioritise good memories over bad and we were younger so inherently less jaded and cynical. If we're honest about the 70s and 80s for example, we were still in the cold war with an aggressive, nuclear equipped belligerent rattling sabres non stop. We lived with an underlying existential threat every single day. In our society, abuse was more easily perpetrated and concealed. Sexism, racism, homophobia were casual, accepted and even encouraged. Cancer was a death sentence. So was Aids. Mental health problem? Fuck you, you're weak and if it comes to it we'll lock you up with all the other loonies after you've killed and abused people.

Not saying your points aren't valid but they have to be looked at alongside the good as well.

[Yeeb]

But what about IHT?

We really are in a bad place overall, we have no empathy. I feel like it used to be different (pre Thatcher) but maybe that's just rose tinted spectacles

Do absolutely believe the world's always been a volatile place with no end of atrocities going on, but our communities were felt stronger and less atomised. We didn't have access to all this horrible shit on demand 24/7 either, so much that it becomes commonplace.

Definitely lost empathy and probably quite a lot of innocence as well. The world I grew up in wasn't as desensitised to mass slaughter and starvation but who knows, maybe we were prosperous and more optimistic for the future as well. I don't like the look of ours.

There's so much more to it than that of course but seriously considering rationing phone/tablet use to 1hr a day and carrying a dumb phone round with me for work etc. Feels like our actual brains have changed shape as well. Feckit. Going to do an hour outside clearing up, get some air.

We often tend to have a rosy view of the past though. We prioritise good memories over bad and we were younger so inherently less jaded and cynical. If we're honest about the 70s and 80s for example, we were still in the cold war with an aggressive, nuclear equipped belligerent rattling sabres non stop. We lived with an underlying existential threat every single day. In our society, abuse was more easily perpetrated and concealed. Sexism, racism, homophobia were casual, accepted and even encouraged. Cancer was a death sentence. So was Aids. Mental health problem? Fuck you, you're weak and if it comes to it we'll lock you up with all the other loonies after you've killed and abused people.

Not saying your points aren't valid but they have to be looked at alongside the good as well.

You forgot IRA blowing people up , cool cars , affordable housing , and women in short skirts and boots.

[epwc]

Went with Rogers in Pickering as they've a more hardy selection for altitude growing but both are very well known and loved, been on their site plenty of times

I'd forgotten all about them, bought gooseberries off em years ago

[epwc]

Do absolutely believe the world's always been a volatile place with no end of atrocities going on, but our communities were felt stronger and less atomised. We didn't have access to all this horrible shit on demand 24/7 either, so much that it becomes commonplace.

Definitely lost empathy and probably quite a lot of innocence as well. The world I grew up in wasn't as desensitised to mass slaughter and starvation but who knows, maybe we were prosperous and more optimistic for the future as well. I don't like the look of ours.

There's so much more to it than that of course but seriously considering rationing phone/tablet use to 1hr a day and carrying a dumb phone round with me for work etc. Feels like our actual brains have changed shape as well. Feckit. Going to do an hour outside clearing up, get some air.

We often tend to have a rosy view of the past though. We prioritise good memories over bad and we were younger so inherently less jaded and cynical. If we're honest about the 70s and 80s for example, we were still in the cold war with an aggressive, nuclear equipped belligerent rattling sabres non stop. We lived with an underlying existential threat every single day. In our society, abuse was more easily perpetrated and concealed. Sexism, racism, homophobia were casual, accepted and even encouraged. Cancer was a death sentence. So was Aids. Mental health problem? Fuck you, you're weak and if it comes to it we'll lock you up with all the other loonies after you've killed and abused people.

Not saying your points aren't valid but they have to be looked at alongside the good as well.

You forgot IRA blowing people up , cool cars , affordable housing , and women in short skirts and boots.

Yeah, like I said rose tinted glasses and all that. I don't miss being spat at for the colour of my skin that's for sure

[Hal Jordan]

But what about IHT?

We really are in a bad place overall, we have no empathy. I feel like it used to be different (pre Thatcher) but maybe that's just rose tinted spectacles

Do absolutely believe the world's always been a volatile place with no end of atrocities going on, but our communities were felt stronger and less atomised. We didn't have access to all this horrible shit on demand 24/7 either, so much that it becomes commonplace.

Definitely lost empathy and probably quite a lot of innocence as well. The world I grew up in wasn't as desensitised to mass slaughter and starvation but who knows, maybe we were prosperous and more optimistic for the future as well. I don't like the look of ours.

There's so much more to it than that of course but seriously considering rationing phone/tablet use to 1hr a day and carrying a dumb phone round with me for work etc. Feels like our actual brains have changed shape as well. Feckit. Going to do an hour outside clearing up, get some air.

We often tend to have a rosy view of the past though. We prioritise good memories over bad and we were younger so inherently less jaded and cynical. If we're honest about the 70s and 80s for example, we were still in the cold war with an aggressive, nuclear equipped belligerent rattling sabres non stop. We lived with an underlying existential threat every single day. In our society, abuse was more easily perpetrated and concealed. Sexism, racism, homophobia were casual, accepted and even encouraged. Cancer was a death sentence. So was Aids. Mental health problem? Fuck you, you're weak and if it comes to it we'll lock you up with all the other loonies after you've killed and abused people.

Not saying your points aren't valid but they have to be looked at alongside the good as well.

At least if you got locked up in the loony bin you might have had a chance to meet Jimmy Saville.

[epwc]

Toasty in the south of France:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... -time-heat

[Yeeb]

We often tend to have a rosy view of the past though. We prioritise good memories over bad and we were younger so inherently less jaded and cynical. If we're honest about the 70s and 80s for example, we were still in the cold war with an aggressive, nuclear equipped belligerent rattling sabres non stop. We lived with an underlying existential threat every single day. In our society, abuse was more easily perpetrated and concealed. Sexism, racism, homophobia were casual, accepted and even encouraged. Cancer was a death sentence. So was Aids. Mental health problem? Fuck you, you're weak and if it comes to it we'll lock you up with all the other loonies after you've killed and abused people.

Not saying your points aren't valid but they have to be looked at alongside the good as well.

You forgot IRA blowing people up , cool cars , affordable housing , and women in short skirts and boots.

Yeah, like I said rose tinted glasses and all that. I don't miss being spat at for the colour of my skin that's for sure

You can still get that in Dublin or Bradford

[Biffer]

You forgot IRA blowing people up , cool cars , affordable housing , and women in short skirts and boots.

Yeah, like I said rose tinted glasses and all that. I don't miss being spat at for the colour of my skin that's for sure

You can still get that in Dublin or Bradford

Not sure that was misty eyed nostalgia tbh.

[fishfoodie]

Well if the Irish Election results are anything to go by; the Public has had it with the Greens !

The GP is reduced to a single seat, & it isn't so much the larger Parties taking on their policies, as a combination of voters swinging to the populist a-holes who don't want to do anything about climate change, & others who think we do more than our fair share, when other larger Countries do nothing.

I await some more numbers on the turnout, but I don't think the Generation that will see the effects of Climate change turned out in sufficient numbers to make the Political Parties pay any attention to them, or at least not enough for them to move Climate change up the agenda ahead of things like Housing, Cost of Living, Immigration, Health System etc, etc

[Yeeb]

Yeah, like I said rose tinted glasses and all that. I don't miss being spat at for the colour of my skin that's for sure

You can still get that in Dublin or Bradford

Not sure that was misty eyed nostalgia tbh.

To quote para phrase a very wise funny good looking tall man who won a post of the year award , if that is Bradford , that ain’t spit

[Niegs]

I LOL'd at the clip of Doug Ford himself, after riding a bike in the city, said he felt safer in protected lanes.

[Niegs]

Thoughtless consumption will end us...




Smugly, I think I've only bought one thing online in the last year, after an exhaustive and fruitless search to find the item locally. And they sent me the wrong one, so had to return it... but I imagine the dollar stores and certainly the thrift stores I frequent are also part of the problem.

[Guy Smiley]

The solar boom... cool graphics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-18/ ... /104006096

Climate-tech startup TransitionZero has scoured the world’s surface for medium- and large-scale installations, using machine learning to pick them out of satellite imagery.

The individual farms are too small to see from a distance, so we’ve sliced up the globe into a 50-kilometre grid and visualised them that way here.

Market momentum seems to have reached a rate that will see simple business sense overcome ideological opposition, like Trump II. We'll see I guess but the numbers don't lie.

[Slick]

We’ve got a couple of food banks in the area but also something called the “community fridge” which I came across a couple of weeks ago - basically collecting food that is going to be chucked by the local supermarkets and giving it away.

Got a message that they had more than usual yesterday so went and had a look - my god…. It was a big room absolutely packed with everything from fresh fruit and veg to frozen food, meat, flowers etc, just take a bag and take what you want. We got enough for at least a week of meals. I asked the people running it a bit more and they said they only work with 2 local supermarkets and don’t take anywhere near the amount they are offered each week and it’s still too much to give away.yesterday they had turkeys which retails at over £150, whole lobsters, a massive bucket of prawns, just as examples.

It’s obviously a brilliant thing and we will certainly go again, but the amount of stuff that is being wasted has unsettled me quite a bit. This is 2 supermarkets in one area of one city in one country and they literally can’t give away as much as is wasted. The scale of this is absolutely astonishing.

It’s been running around my head since yesterday and I can’t really get a handle on how bad it is and what, if any, is the solution

[Guy Smiley]

That piqued my interest so I googled food waste global...

holy shit

[Niegs]

I've heard in Canada that 50% of food produced doesn't make it to table. This is a huge stat given the amount of resources that go into producing food.

However, there seem to be some very good good food insecurity charities here in the city that either distribute or make things out of that which is destined for landfill but is still good to eat. I know of one big chain that works with them, but I wonder if all grocery stores in town do and what the limitations are?

I've heard there are some legal issues in some places, but also have heard in another that there's a sort of 'good samaritan' law that protects donors in good faith from being sued over food that's truly gone bad. I took a dive into this recently and one doc said that our noses are quite finely tuned to what's bad for us (makes sense, evolutionarily speaking) with regards to perishable meat and milk.

And maybe less populated areas aren't as effective at redistribution though (if there's anything at all). This org's website talks about the cash donations needed to deal with warehouse rental, utilities, transportation, basic supplies, etc.

[dpedin]

I've heard in Canada that 50% of food produced doesn't make it to table. This is a huge stat given the amount of resources that go into producing food.

However, there seem to be some very good good food insecurity charities here in the city that either distribute or make things out of that which is destined for landfill but is still good to eat. I know of one big chain that works with them, but I wonder if all grocery stores in town do and what the limitations are?

I've heard there are some legal issues in some places, but also have heard in another that there's a sort of 'good samaritan' law that protects donors in good faith from being sued over food that's truly gone bad. I took a dive into this recently and one doc said that our noses are quite finely tuned to what's bad for us (makes sense, evolutionarily speaking) with regards to perishable meat and milk.

And maybe less populated areas aren't as effective at redistribution though (if there's anything at all). This org's website talks about the cash donations needed to deal with warehouse rental, utilities, transportation, basic supplies, etc.

My kids constantly ask me if food that has gone by its sell by/use by date is ok and my response is if it looks ok and smells ok then it is ok. Obviously I am more careful with raw chicken and pork. I am constantly amazed when eating at friends etc how many don't keep leftovers or chuck food simply because of the sell by date. Most only use their freezer section for making ice cubes! My mum was a dinner lady in a local school and I learnt how to make lots of meals using left overs or meat/fruit/veg that was a bit past it. Soups, stews, fruit pies/crumbles etc are all great ways of using left overs. I like to think I throw out very little waste food, if anyone get really pissed off when I see folk throw away perfectly good food because of some arbitrary date on the wrapping or because they have no idea what to do with it.

[Biffer]

That piqued my interest so I googled food waste global...

holy shit

Yep. Shows that these folk who say the global population can't be supported don't know what they're talking about.

There's food waste at all stages. Veg that's grown that isn't perfect and pretty and regular gets dumped. When it's being processed, loads is shaved off and dumped. More is lost / wasted / damaged during transportation and handling. And then stuff goes out of date in shops. And we still manage to eat more than we need so that half the population is obese.

[Niegs]

I've heard in Canada that 50% of food produced doesn't make it to table. This is a huge stat given the amount of resources that go into producing food.

However, there seem to be some very good good food insecurity charities here in the city that either distribute or make things out of that which is destined for landfill but is still good to eat. I know of one big chain that works with them, but I wonder if all grocery stores in town do and what the limitations are?

I've heard there are some legal issues in some places, but also have heard in another that there's a sort of 'good samaritan' law that protects donors in good faith from being sued over food that's truly gone bad. I took a dive into this recently and one doc said that our noses are quite finely tuned to what's bad for us (makes sense, evolutionarily speaking) with regards to perishable meat and milk.

And maybe less populated areas aren't as effective at redistribution though (if there's anything at all). This org's website talks about the cash donations needed to deal with warehouse rental, utilities, transportation, basic supplies, etc.

My kids constantly ask me if food that has gone by its sell by/use by date is ok and my response is if it looks ok and smells ok then it is ok. Obviously I am more careful with raw chicken and pork. I am constantly amazed when eating at friends etc how many don't keep leftovers or chuck food simply because of the sell by date. Most only use their freezer section for making ice cubes! My mum was a dinner lady in a local school and I learnt how to make lots of meals using left overs or meat/fruit/veg that was a bit past it. Soups, stews, fruit pies/crumbles etc are all great ways of using left overs. I like to think I throw out very little waste food, if anyone get really pissed off when I see folk throw away perfectly good food because of some arbitrary date on the wrapping or because they have no idea what to do with it.

Same!

I love that my local independent grocery significantly reduces old produce (two others take the piss reducing only a dollar or so) as I go straight into dessert or soup ideas.

I was at a big store yesterday that had around 30 cartons of milk at 25% of their regular cost. I think there was only a couple of days left but most were skim milk, so I suspect they'd last even longer? I imagine they'll all be dumped today/tomorrow or I hope they work with the food charity as they could do a massive pot of a cream soup or a dessert.

[Sandstorm]

You guys are talking about fresh food “going out of date”. White bread, cake and biscuits last weeks (except fatties eat them pronto anyway)

[mat the expat]

I've heard in Canada that 50% of food produced doesn't make it to table. This is a huge stat given the amount of resources that go into producing food.

However, there seem to be some very good good food insecurity charities here in the city that either distribute or make things out of that which is destined for landfill but is still good to eat. I know of one big chain that works with them, but I wonder if all grocery stores in town do and what the limitations are?

I've heard there are some legal issues in some places, but also have heard in another that there's a sort of 'good samaritan' law that protects donors in good faith from being sued over food that's truly gone bad. I took a dive into this recently and one doc said that our noses are quite finely tuned to what's bad for us (makes sense, evolutionarily speaking) with regards to perishable meat and milk.

And maybe less populated areas aren't as effective at redistribution though (if there's anything at all). This org's website talks about the cash donations needed to deal with warehouse rental, utilities, transportation, basic supplies, etc.

My kids constantly ask me if food that has gone by its sell by/use by date is ok and my response is if it looks ok and smells ok then it is ok. Obviously I am more careful with raw chicken and pork. I am constantly amazed when eating at friends etc how many don't keep leftovers or chuck food simply because of the sell by date. Most only use their freezer section for making ice cubes! My mum was a dinner lady in a local school and I learnt how to make lots of meals using left overs or meat/fruit/veg that was a bit past it. Soups, stews, fruit pies/crumbles etc are all great ways of using left overs. I like to think I throw out very little waste food, if anyone get really pissed off when I see folk throw away perfectly good food because of some arbitrary date on the wrapping or because they have no idea what to do with it.

Despite being together 25 years, the Lady of the House has not learned anything about food use-by dates.

I quite often have to lie to her so she's not freaked out

[Tichtheid]

Farage and Truss attend UK launch of US climate denial group

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -heartland

From wiki

The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian 501(c)(3) nonprofit public policy think tank known for its rejection of both the scientific consensus on climate change and the negative health impacts of smoking.[2]

Founded in 1984, it worked with tobacco company Philip Morris throughout the 1990s to attempt to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and lobby against smoking bans.[3]: 233–234 [4] Since the 2000s, the Heartland Institute has been a leading promoter of climate change denia