President Trump and US politics catchall

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Tanks one would have thought came with the idea of killing people, it wasn't 'people all over this world join in, ride this tank'

[Gumboot]

According to CNN, United Health Care posted about the shooting of their CEO on Facebook, and 57,000 of the 62,000 responses were laughing emojis.

[fishfoodie]

So assuming they catch the guy, what are the chances the jury, in any trial, ends up hopelessly deadlocked ?

[sockwithaticket]

With the apparent discourse around the crime mainly seeming to concentrate between "I get it" and "What a hero", I'm not sure he'll be allowed to make it to trial lest it give him a platform for an apparent philosophy the establishment would prefer didn't exist.

[fishfoodie]

With the apparent discourse around the crime mainly seeming to concentrate between "I get it" and "What a hero", I'm not sure he'll be allowed to make it to trial lest it give him a platform for an apparent philosophy the establishment would prefer didn't exist.

They'll offer him a plea deal of course; but if he has decent legal representation, & I'm sure he will, then the lawyer will tell him he stands a very good chance of walking

[sockwithaticket]

With the apparent discourse around the crime mainly seeming to concentrate between "I get it" and "What a hero", I'm not sure he'll be allowed to make it to trial lest it give him a platform for an apparent philosophy the establishment would prefer didn't exist.

They'll offer him a plea deal of course; but if he has decent legal representation, & I'm sure he will, then the lawyer will tell him he stands a very good chance of walking

I was more thinking that he's not going to be brought in alive.

[Niegs]

Biden interview with the More Perfect Union channel

[Guy Smiley]

With the apparent discourse around the crime mainly seeming to concentrate between "I get it" and "What a hero", I'm not sure he'll be allowed to make it to trial lest it give him a platform for an apparent philosophy the establishment would prefer didn't exist.

They'll offer him a plea deal of course; but if he has decent legal representation, & I'm sure he will, then the lawyer will tell him he stands a very good chance of walking

I was more thinking that he's not going to be brought in alive.

Arrested and held in Pennsylvania, charges there include forgery. His lawyer is fighting an extradition order from New York state which has included a terrorism charge on top of the murder charge.

They're going to bury him.

[tabascoboy]

[Kiwias]

[TB63]

[TB63]

[dpedin]

Unless Muskie has bought the kompromat from Putin or has his own 'golden shower' videos of Trump with prostitutes then I reckon the bromance will dissolve in a matter of weeks. Musk increasingly looks like the pathetic character played so brilliantly by Rylance in the 'Don't Look Up' film.

[Biffer]

Unless Muskie has bought the kompromat from Putin or has his own 'golden shower' videos of Trump with prostitutes then I reckon the bromance will dissolve in a matter of weeks. Musk increasingly looks like the pathetic character played so brilliantly by Rylance in the 'Don't Look Up' film.

Yeah, there’s absolutely no way Trump will tolerate someone else getting that much publicity and being considered the power behind the throne. Might not be weeks, but definitely less than a year.

The cunt is backing AfD in Germany now as well.

[fishfoodie]

Unless Muskie has bought the kompromat from Putin or has his own 'golden shower' videos of Trump with prostitutes then I reckon the bromance will dissolve in a matter of weeks. Musk increasingly looks like the pathetic character played so brilliantly by Rylance in the 'Don't Look Up' film.

I'm not sure.

The traitor is a lazy shit, & spent most of his previous term looting the public purse, & playing golf; he never had any interest in doing the job.

He ran again to stay out of prison, & halt all the cases against him, & now he has that, & will probably die in office, so he has everything he wants now, & seems to only be interested is persecuting those who brought those cases or who he hold responsible, after that I don't think he cares, so having Ketamine boy bouncing around doesn't really matter to him ?

If there's going to be conflict it'll be between the likes of Miller, or Bannon & Musk; but again he's the one with the money they all lust for, so the chances are that if they cross him, he'll just take his money & back some opponent of theirs & go after them with his megaphone & millions of dipshit followers.

[Slick]

What the fuck is Trumps game saying that he wants to take over Greenland again and also now the Panama Canal. I don’t understand it, is it just his mental decline continuing?

[Uncle fester]

What the fuck is Trumps game saying that he wants to take over Greenland again and also now the Panama Canal. I don’t understand it, is it just his mental decline continuing?

It's prelude to a shakedown. He's seen it working for other dictators after all.

[fishfoodie]

What the fuck is Trumps game saying that he wants to take over Greenland again and also now the Panama Canal. I don’t understand it, is it just his mental decline continuing?

Yes !

Instead of just taking the MSM's commentary at face value, I recommend listening to the odd snippet from his, "Speeches", on YT from critical sources.

If you actually listen to him slurring his words, & pissmorncing his bowels, & going back to crap he was spouting years ago, because it's what pops into his scrambled, boiled cabbage of a brain, you realize just how fucked we all are.

A Presidential campaign will destroy a normal healthy human being, & the Traitor has none of those attributes, & now, once the adrenaline, (& dog knows what else), that was sustaining him for it is gone, he's ready for the rocking chair & reminiscing about when he was ogling teenagers at his pagents.

[Guy Smiley]

What the fuck is Trumps game saying that he wants to take over Greenland again and also now the Panama Canal. I don’t understand it, is it just his mental decline continuing?

Yes !

Instead of just taking the MSM's commentary at face value, I recommend listening to the odd snippet from his, "Speeches", on YT from critical sources.

If you actually listen to him slurring his words, & pissmorncing his bowels, & going back to crap he was spouting years ago, because it's what pops into his scrambled, boiled cabbage of a brain, you realize just how fucked we all are.

A Presidential campaign will destroy a normal healthy human being, & the Traitor has none of those attributes, & now, once the adrenaline, (& dog knows what else), that was sustaining him for it is gone, he's ready for the rocking chair & reminiscing about when he was ogling teenagers at his pagents.

Fair points but that's just the latest paint job over the rust. This blustering is his technique... fill the space with noise and get everyone on the back foot, then strike the deal. The perfect deal. The best deal you ever saw.

[Slick]

What the fuck is Trumps game saying that he wants to take over Greenland again and also now the Panama Canal. I don’t understand it, is it just his mental decline continuing?

Yes !

Instead of just taking the MSM's commentary at face value, I recommend listening to the odd snippet from his, "Speeches", on YT from critical sources.

If you actually listen to him slurring his words, & pissmorncing his bowels, & going back to crap he was spouting years ago, because it's what pops into his scrambled, boiled cabbage of a brain, you realize just how fucked we all are.

A Presidential campaign will destroy a normal healthy human being, & the Traitor has none of those attributes, & now, once the adrenaline, (& dog knows what else), that was sustaining him for it is gone, he's ready for the rocking chair & reminiscing about when he was ogling teenagers at his pagents.

Fair points but that's just the latest paint job over the rust. This blustering is his technique... fill the space with noise and get everyone on the back foot, then strike the deal. The perfect deal. The best deal you ever saw.

This is of course correct. It’s going to be a fun few years

[Hal Jordan]

It will be like last time, but worse.

Him out front, giving campaign speeches and settling scores, whilst in the background absolutely horrific shit is put in place by the utter cunts who have ridden his coat tails. And this time they have the benefit of four earlier years of seeing how the machinery works, rather than just sticking their fingers in the gears to try and change things.

[Slick]

It will be like last time, but worse.

Him out front, giving campaign speeches and settling scores, whilst in the background absolutely horrific shit is put in place by the utter cunts who have ridden his coat tails. And this time they have the benefit of four earlier years of seeing how the machinery works, rather than just sticking their fingers in the gears to try and change things.

Interesting that there has already been a bit of pushback though.

[Niegs]

It'll be interesting to see if the rage fades away or if it only gets stronger as Luigi goes to trial ... for terrorism? (not just murder)

[fishfoodie]

It will be like last time, but worse.

Him out front, giving campaign speeches and settling scores, whilst in the background absolutely horrific shit is put in place by the utter cunts who have ridden his coat tails. And this time they have the benefit of four earlier years of seeing how the machinery works, rather than just sticking their fingers in the gears to try and change things.

Interesting that there has already been a bit of pushback though.

There are mid-term elections in just a couple of years, & there are a lot of GOP seats on the ballot, so they don't want to piss off voters.

The other simple reality is that the people being elected this time don't have to suck up to the Traitor this time, because he's gone now, & his threats to run his anointed candidates against them runs hollow, because he just won't have that power in 4 years time, even if he's still alive.

[The Party Line]

Does anyone else think that Elon will be the next Republican nominee for president in 4 years time.

[Biffer]

Does anyone else think that Elon will be the next Republican nominee for president in 4 years time.

Not a natural born US citizen. Trump would need to get congress to change the constitution. Not going to happen.

[Uncle fester]

What the fuck is Trumps game saying that he wants to take over Greenland again and also now the Panama Canal. I don’t understand it, is it just his mental decline continuing?

Suggestion here is that it's to bully Denmark into increasing defence spending.
https://bbc.com/news/articles/ckgzl19n9eko

That trick will have limited uses.

[Niegs]

I mean, he's clearly a moron and a bully, but it's wild that he can't just sit down with leaders and say "Look, I won the election on our people wanting to bring cost of living down and not spending so much on foreign wars. We're going to scale back and as per our NATO alliance, you need to be spending more. Let's look at ways you can make a better contribution..."

[Enzedder]

Does he meet the residency requirements to be nominated?

[Biffer]

Does he meet the residency requirements to be nominated?

Musk? No.

[Hugo]

I mean, he's clearly a moron and a bully, but it's wild that he can't just sit down with leaders and say "Look, I won the election on our people wanting to bring cost of living down and not spending so much on foreign wars. We're going to scale back and as per our NATO alliance, you need to be spending more. Let's look at ways you can make a better contribution..."

To be fair Obama was bringing this up when he was in office and he wasn't able to move the needle.

Trump is being aggressive because of the inertia of NATO members to being fully committed partners.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/n ... -it-alone/

[Guy Smiley]

I mean, he's clearly a moron and a bully, but it's wild that he can't just sit down with leaders and say "Look, I won the election on our people wanting to bring cost of living down and not spending so much on foreign wars. We're going to scale back and as per our NATO alliance, you need to be spending more. Let's look at ways you can make a better contribution..."

To be fair Obama was bringing this up when he was in office and he wasn't able to move the needle.

Trump is being aggressive because of the inertia of NATO members to being fully committed to partners.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/n ... -it-alone/

When you're running the country that is the biggest arms dealer in the world and your whole economic set up revolves around maintaining that military strength, then you've got a vested interest in persuading others to spend more on your goods and services.

With Putin presenting a very real and present threat to Europe's doorstep, Nato probably sees greater value in increasing spending anyway, regardless of US posturing, and that posturing from the US is going to become more bellicose, irrational and problematically aligned with Putin's interests regarding Ukraine, which Europe has doggedly moved to support.

Donnie risks alienating the US here and paradoxically strengthening NATO and Europe's own arms industry.

[geordie_6]

Does anyone else think that Elon will be the next Republican nominee for president in 4 years time.

Not a natural born US citizen. Trump would need to get congress to change the constitution. Not going to happen.

Not that long ago since we couldn't imagine any of this shit happening...

[Uncle fester]

I mean, he's clearly a moron and a bully, but it's wild that he can't just sit down with leaders and say "Look, I won the election on our people wanting to bring cost of living down and not spending so much on foreign wars. We're going to scale back and as per our NATO alliance, you need to be spending more. Let's look at ways you can make a better contribution..."

To be fair Obama was bringing this up when he was in office and he wasn't able to move the needle.

Trump is being aggressive because of the inertia of NATO members to being fully committed to partners.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/n ... -it-alone/

When you're running the country that is the biggest arms dealer in the world and your whole economic set up revolves around maintaining that military strength, then you've got a vested interest in persuading others to spend more on your goods and services.

With Putin presenting a very real and present threat to Europe's doorstep, Nato probably sees greater value in increasing spending anyway, regardless of US posturing, and that posturing from the US is going to become more bellicose, irrational and problematically aligned with Putin's interests regarding Ukraine, which Europe has doggedly moved to support.

Donnie risks alienating the US here and paradoxically strengthening NATO and Europe's own arms industry.

Yes, that could be the end result, Europe realizing that we need to look after ourselves.

[Biffer]

Does anyone else think that Elon will be the next Republican nominee for president in 4 years time.

Not a natural born US citizen. Trump would need to get congress to change the constitution. Not going to happen.

Not that long ago since we couldn't imagine any of this shit happening...

Would require a change to the constitution. That needs a two thirds majority in both Congress and the House of Representatives. In current US politics, that ain’t happening.

[Hugo]

I mean, he's clearly a moron and a bully, but it's wild that he can't just sit down with leaders and say "Look, I won the election on our people wanting to bring cost of living down and not spending so much on foreign wars. We're going to scale back and as per our NATO alliance, you need to be spending more. Let's look at ways you can make a better contribution..."

To be fair Obama was bringing this up when he was in office and he wasn't able to move the needle.

Trump is being aggressive because of the inertia of NATO members to being fully committed to partners.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/n ... -it-alone/

When you're running the country that is the biggest arms dealer in the world and your whole economic set up revolves around maintaining that military strength, then you've got a vested interest in persuading others to spend more on your goods and services.

With Putin presenting a very real and present threat to Europe's doorstep, Nato probably sees greater value in increasing spending anyway, regardless of US posturing, and that posturing from the US is going to become more bellicose, irrational and problematically aligned with Putin's interests regarding Ukraine, which Europe has doggedly moved to support.

Donnie risks alienating the US here and paradoxically strengthening NATO and Europe's own arms industry.

The relationship between the US & Europe on defence is definitely like a dysfunctional marriage. Europe can be half hearted about its NATO commitments and the US invests more which gives it a controlling stake so both sides get something out of the relationship.

Tbh I don't think Europe has been proactive about this at all. It's four years since Trump was last in office and predictably it seems like this NATO Trump standoff is rearing it's ugly head again. This has been a bone of contention for over a decade.

[Guy Smiley]

Tbh I don't think Europe has been proactive about this at all. It's four years since Trump was last in office and predictably it seems like this NATO Trump standoff is rearing it's ugly head again. This has been a bone of contention for over a decade.

I think the situation in Ukraine has had something of a galvanising effect on military spending within Europe and by extension, NATO. Spain and Finland have been sending gear to Ukraine, for instance along with the big hitters like Germany and France.

Trump his just going to rattle the same cages he has before and will shout much of the same sort of bullshit. He's already had a go at Mexico and Canada over immigration and drugs, for instance. His bluster will wear thin, everyone has seen it before and knows how he operates. Europe is pretty defiant about the threat Putin presents... if Donnie gets too blustery AND shows support for Putin he's going to be offside with Europe very quickly and he'll lose leverage. I don't think he'd understand that, he's too much invested in the greatest country on earth bullshit.

[Hugo]

Tbh I don't think Europe has been proactive about this at all. It's four years since Trump was last in office and predictably it seems like this NATO Trump standoff is rearing it's ugly head again. This has been a bone of contention for over a decade.

I think the situation in Ukraine has had something of a galvanising effect on military spending within Europe and by extension, NATO. Spain and Finland have been sending gear to Ukraine, for instance along with the big hitters like Germany and France.

Trump his just going to rattle the same cages he has before and will shout much of the same sort of bullshit. He's already had a go at Mexico and Canada over immigration and drugs, for instance. His bluster will wear thin, everyone has seen it before and knows how he operates. Europe is pretty defiant about the threat Putin presents... if Donnie gets too blustery AND shows support for Putin he's going to be offside with Europe very quickly and he'll lose leverage. I don't think he'd understand that, he's too much invested in the greatest country on earth bullshit.

He's definitely a blowhard that is for sure. Foreign policy wise I think Trumps primary thinking is to avoid getting the US involved in unnecessary wars where there is no benefit for the average American in doing so. It's why he has trashed the Bush family, Liz Cheney etc any chance he gets. In fact he explicitly called out Liz prior to the election when he was saying something along the lines of "it's easy for you to advocate for war when you sit in a nice office in Washington DC and it's someone elses kid who is going to do the fighting". That was the jist of it anyway.

The US spent $30 million a DAY in Afghanistan and after 20 years walked away with pretty much nothing to show for it. That's the type of stuff that influences his foreign policy outlook and why people like Bill Kristol and John Bolton hate him.

Trump has lots of flaws of course but I think he gets that this provides little value for money to the average US taxpayer and that at the end of the day it's the average American kids who are the ones doing the fighting and the dying.

[Slick]

Tbh I don't think Europe has been proactive about this at all. It's four years since Trump was last in office and predictably it seems like this NATO Trump standoff is rearing it's ugly head again. This has been a bone of contention for over a decade.

I think the situation in Ukraine has had something of a galvanising effect on military spending within Europe and by extension, NATO. Spain and Finland have been sending gear to Ukraine, for instance along with the big hitters like Germany and France.

Trump his just going to rattle the same cages he has before and will shout much of the same sort of bullshit. He's already had a go at Mexico and Canada over immigration and drugs, for instance. His bluster will wear thin, everyone has seen it before and knows how he operates. Europe is pretty defiant about the threat Putin presents... if Donnie gets too blustery AND shows support for Putin he's going to be offside with Europe very quickly and he'll lose leverage. I don't think he'd understand that, he's too much invested in the greatest country on earth bullshit.

He's definitely a blowhard that is for sure. Foreign policy wise I think Trumps primary thinking is to avoid getting the US involved in unnecessary wars where there is no benefit for the average American in doing so. It's why he has trashed the Bush family, Liz Cheney etc any chance he gets. In fact he explicitly called out Liz prior to the election when he was saying something along the lines of "it's easy for you to advocate for war when you sit in a nice office in Washington DC and it's someone elses kid who is going to do the fighting". That was the jist of it anyway.

The US spent $30 million a DAY in Afghanistan and after 20 years walked away with pretty much nothing to show for it. That's the type of stuff that influences his foreign policy outlook and why people like Bill Kristol and John Bolton hate him.

Trump has lots of flaws of course but I think he gets that this provides little value for money to the average US taxpayer and that at the end of the day it's the average American kids who are the ones doing the fighting and the dying.

It’s quite difficult to square this with his spite in trying to ruin anyone who disagrees with him

[Hal Jordan]

Trump doesn't give a shit about tax dollars spent on the military. He doesn't give a shit about the military, the idea of service to the country is utterly alien to him; only a sucker would carry out a course of action that didn't have a clear line to the reward of one or more of a combination of money, leverage, personal protection, fealty to them, or praise.