Starmergeddon: They Came And Ate Us

[Paddington Bear]

40 years ago I did research into the impact of new IT technologies into the office and productivity. The introduction of word processing was going to revolutionize the productivity of the office and get rid of lots and lots of admin staff. However what I found was instead of getting a document 99% right before it was typed up managers just drafted some rough old thing and then got it 'word processed' and then went through a number of redrafts, because it was easy to do now, until it was acceptable. The end result no productivity increase in terms of labour cost reductions nor in time taken to knock out a final product but an increase in IT costs! Ok, over time that position will have changed and there will have been productivity improvements but came across same issue when I looked at the into of speech recognition into the NHS and the ideal that it would reduce dramatically the cost and time associated with consultants getting reports etc typed up.

The bottom line is there are hardware, software and human ware issues with IT implementation. Hardware costs have fallen dramatically and we rarely full utilize the capability of the hardware we purchase,, software costs are still high but how we pay for them has changed ie by selling our data, however the human ware issues are the biggest barrier to implementation and seeing the cost reductions and improved productivity. As usual the investment focuses on the hardware and software and it is often the human ware that has least invested in it when it should be the opposite. For this reason I suspect any optimistic view about the returns on AI will be grossly exaggerated in terms of payback time.

Do you think large businesses, right now, would be more or less productive if you took all the word processing software out?

I can guarantee right now that the average user in the average large business uses about 25% or less of the capability of word or excel etc. The question is how much more productive should the large business be if it used the current software to its max capability? Most folk will have a work PC or laptop that is specced far too high for what they need and use it for. Most large businesses find it easier to buy lots of kit and software and then never review its actual usage or their ROI for that significant investment. They will invest far, far less in training and work/process redesign than they do in hardware and software, always have and always will.

I have always maintained that proper word and excel training would be one of the biggest value adds any L&D team could add to any organisation. I reckon I can use about 50/60% functionality on both, and its astonishing how much more productive it makes me than comparable people

[inactionman]

Do you think large businesses, right now, would be more or less productive if you took all the word processing software out?

I can guarantee right now that the average user in the average large business uses about 25% or less of the capability of word or excel etc. The question is how much more productive should the large business be if it used the current software to its max capability? Most folk will have a work PC or laptop that is specced far too high for what they need and use it for. Most large businesses find it easier to buy lots of kit and software and then never review its actual usage or their ROI for that significant investment. They will invest far, far less in training and work/process redesign than they do in hardware and software, always have and always will.

I have always maintained that proper word and excel training would be one of the biggest value adds any L&D team could add to any organisation. I reckon I can use about 50/60% functionality on both, and its astonishing how much more productive it makes me than comparable people

I'd be a lot more productive if I could touch type. I spend ages retyping words I've mangled so badly the spellchecker has just thrown its arms up in despair. It also kills train of thought.

For excel, I spend most of my time actually trying to reduce reliance on it by getting the enterprise services to work correctly. Too many people homebrew spreadsheets for analysis and feck it up, and make key decisions using logic and data within a spreadsheet whose provenance is entirely unknown.

[Yeeb]

Do you think large businesses, right now, would be more or less productive if you took all the word processing software out?

I can guarantee right now that the average user in the average large business uses about 25% or less of the capability of word or excel etc. The question is how much more productive should the large business be if it used the current software to its max capability? Most folk will have a work PC or laptop that is specced far too high for what they need and use it for. Most large businesses find it easier to buy lots of kit and software and then never review its actual usage or their ROI for that significant investment. They will invest far, far less in training and work/process redesign than they do in hardware and software, always have and always will.

I have always maintained that proper word and excel training would be one of the biggest value adds any L&D team could add to any organisation. I reckon I can use about 50/60% functionality on both, and its astonishing how much more productive it makes me than comparable people

Totally agee.
The amount of quite senior people , who cannot use SUMIF or any pivot or slicer , and still use vlookup, is staggering. However, it makes me look like a genius which in all for especially in the run up to bonus season and you save the day because someone only counted 27 rows across instead of 28 and their numbers were utter shite

Even funnier now you can AI assist to get a sheet to work

[SaintK]

Tulip Siddiq resigns though the Independent Adviser found that the MInisterial Code had not been broken
More to come out perhaps?

[Yeeb]

Tulip Siddiq resigns though the Independent Adviser found that the MInisterial Code had not been broken
More to come out perhaps?

Perhaps

Dickwads like biffer will still bleat that Labour are somehow different and better though , right up until the next scandal .

[SaintK]

Tulip Siddiq resigns though the Independent Adviser found that the MInisterial Code had not been broken
More to come out perhaps?

Perhaps

Dickwads like biffer will still bleat that Labour are somehow different and better though , right up until the next scandal .

There is no "scandal" as yet as the Independent Advisor confirmed. Glad to see Starmer acting so decisively and dragging it out for months like the Pincher and Patterson scandals

[Yeeb]

Tulip Siddiq resigns though the Independent Adviser found that the MInisterial Code had not been broken
More to come out perhaps?

Perhaps

Dickwads like biffer will still bleat that Labour are somehow different and better though , right up until the next scandal .

There is no "scandal" as yet as the Independent Advisor confirmed. Glad to see Starmer acting so decisively and dragging it out for months like the Pincher and Patterson scandals

Depends how you define scandal , resigning after five mins in power due to corruption links isn’t exactly a good look for an anti corruption minister whose family may have or may not have embezzled millions of pounds from failed government spending in Bangladesh, some of which perhaps spent on properties she may or may not have lived in and not declared.
It’s kind of on par with eye tests and Bernard castle or dodgy ferry companies.

[SaintK]

Perhaps

Dickwads like biffer will still bleat that Labour are somehow different and better though , right up until the next scandal .

There is no "scandal" as yet as the Independent Advisor confirmed. Glad to see Starmer acting so decisively and dragging it out for months like the Pincher and Patterson scandals

Depends how you define scandal , resigning after five mins in power due to corruption links isn’t exactly a good look for an anti corruption minister whose family may have or may not have embezzled millions of pounds from failed government spending in Bangladesh, some of which perhaps spent on properties she may or may not have lived in and not declared.
It’s kind of on par with eye tests and Bernard castle or dodgy ferry companies.

Well if that turns out to be the case then Starmer has acted with commendable speed

[Slick]

Do you think large businesses, right now, would be more or less productive if you took all the word processing software out?

I can guarantee right now that the average user in the average large business uses about 25% or less of the capability of word or excel etc. The question is how much more productive should the large business be if it used the current software to its max capability? Most folk will have a work PC or laptop that is specced far too high for what they need and use it for. Most large businesses find it easier to buy lots of kit and software and then never review its actual usage or their ROI for that significant investment. They will invest far, far less in training and work/process redesign than they do in hardware and software, always have and always will.

I have always maintained that proper word and excel training would be one of the biggest value adds any L&D team could add to any organisation. I reckon I can use about 50/60% functionality on both, and its astonishing how much more productive it makes me than comparable people

I don't know how to do a single thing in Excel and run my own company. I'm very silly really and need to do a course

[Paddington Bear]

I can guarantee right now that the average user in the average large business uses about 25% or less of the capability of word or excel etc. The question is how much more productive should the large business be if it used the current software to its max capability? Most folk will have a work PC or laptop that is specced far too high for what they need and use it for. Most large businesses find it easier to buy lots of kit and software and then never review its actual usage or their ROI for that significant investment. They will invest far, far less in training and work/process redesign than they do in hardware and software, always have and always will.

I have always maintained that proper word and excel training would be one of the biggest value adds any L&D team could add to any organisation. I reckon I can use about 50/60% functionality on both, and its astonishing how much more productive it makes me than comparable people

I don't know how to do a single thing in Excel and run my own company. I'm very silly really and need to do a course

Life changing is probably slightly overegging it but it will make an enormous difference to your work

[I like neeps]

Tulip Siddiq resigns though the Independent Adviser found that the MInisterial Code had not been broken
More to come out perhaps?

Found no breach of the ministerial code but recommended strongly she is sacked.

Quite what you have to do to be found as in breach of the ministerial code remains a mystery. Be given 10s of million in property and ask no questions on where it comes from despite being related to a corrupt regime? All good nothing to see here.

[Yeeb]

I can guarantee right now that the average user in the average large business uses about 25% or less of the capability of word or excel etc. The question is how much more productive should the large business be if it used the current software to its max capability? Most folk will have a work PC or laptop that is specced far too high for what they need and use it for. Most large businesses find it easier to buy lots of kit and software and then never review its actual usage or their ROI for that significant investment. They will invest far, far less in training and work/process redesign than they do in hardware and software, always have and always will.

I have always maintained that proper word and excel training would be one of the biggest value adds any L&D team could add to any organisation. I reckon I can use about 50/60% functionality on both, and its astonishing how much more productive it makes me than comparable people

I don't know how to do a single thing in Excel and run my own company. I'm very silly really and need to do a course

If you knew excel you could run 3 or 4 easily

[Tichtheid]

I can guarantee right now that the average user in the average large business uses about 25% or less of the capability of word or excel etc. The question is how much more productive should the large business be if it used the current software to its max capability? Most folk will have a work PC or laptop that is specced far too high for what they need and use it for. Most large businesses find it easier to buy lots of kit and software and then never review its actual usage or their ROI for that significant investment. They will invest far, far less in training and work/process redesign than they do in hardware and software, always have and always will.

I have always maintained that proper word and excel training would be one of the biggest value adds any L&D team could add to any organisation. I reckon I can use about 50/60% functionality on both, and its astonishing how much more productive it makes me than comparable people

I don't know how to do a single thing in Excel and run my own company. I'm very silly really and need to do a course

Just ask ChatGBT to make a spreadsheet for you.

My wife uses it all the time - she's a big fan of AI, although it's in its infancy, really.

[robmatic]

Tulip Siddiq resigns though the Independent Adviser found that the MInisterial Code had not been broken
More to come out perhaps?

People gifting London property to politicians is intrinsically corrupt, no? But not against the Ministerial Code? What a fucking joke.

[Yeeb]

Tulip Siddiq resigns though the Independent Adviser found that the MInisterial Code had not been broken
More to come out perhaps?

People gifting London property to politicians is intrinsically corrupt, no? But not against the Ministerial Code? What a fucking joke.

Some guy who is now in power in Bangladesh has accused her family of pilfering over £4 billion !

For the many , not the few indeed (Bangladeshi Taka I mean)

[Paddington Bear]

Tulip Siddiq resigns though the Independent Adviser found that the MInisterial Code had not been broken
More to come out perhaps?

People gifting London property to politicians is intrinsically corrupt, no? But not against the Ministerial Code? What a fucking joke.

Some guy who is now in power in Bangladesh has accused her family of pilfering over £4 billion !

For the many , not the few indeed (Bangladeshi Taka I mean)

I think it is fair to say we have barely started to uncover the corruption she was involved in.

Anyway, one down for fraud, one for corruption, Reeves next up for crashing the economy, solid start

[Yeeb]

People gifting London property to politicians is intrinsically corrupt, no? But not against the Ministerial Code? What a fucking joke.

Some guy who is now in power in Bangladesh has accused her family of pilfering over £4 billion !

For the many , not the few indeed (Bangladeshi Taka I mean)

I think it is fair to say we have barely started to uncover the corruption she was involved in.

Anyway, one down for fraud, one for corruption, Reeves next up for crashing the economy, solid start

More ? That would be just speculation, there was probs loads that Tories escaped with so I would not worry about it - it’s not actually a top trumps style game of bentness
‘Dodgy Money rating , 92 !’
‘Ha, dodgy money rating 94c give me that card now !’

But I do smirk at some purples view that Labour are somehow better & different from the evil Tories …. It’s the same massive coiled out turd, different bits of sweetcorn in the turd that’s all.


Re the economy - read somewhere that the cost of borrowing for labour is now even higher than it was after the truss Kwasi budget fiasco ? I don’t have those screens in front of me any more so can’t verify that.

[Paddington Bear]

Some guy who is now in power in Bangladesh has accused her family of pilfering over £4 billion !

For the many , not the few indeed (Bangladeshi Taka I mean)

I think it is fair to say we have barely started to uncover the corruption she was involved in.

Anyway, one down for fraud, one for corruption, Reeves next up for crashing the economy, solid start

More ? That would be just speculation, there was probs loads that Tories escaped with so I would not worry about it - it’s not actually a top trumps style game of bentness
‘Dodgy Money rating , 92 !’
‘Ha, dodgy money rating 94c give me that card now !’

But I do smirk at some purples view that Labour are somehow better & different from the evil Tories …. It’s the same massive coiled out turd, different bits of sweetcorn in the turd that’s all.


Re the economy - read somewhere that the cost of borrowing for labour is now even higher than it was after the truss Kwasi budget fiasco ? I don’t have those screens in front of me any more so can’t verify that.

It is - albeit the spike has been smaller as Truss has permanently increased our cost of borrowing. However the figures are still startling and largely self-inflicted as a reaction to the budget and a reflection of business very quickly losing confidence in the government

[Yeeb]

So you could almost say Tory AND Labour actions and policies have increased this cost ?

Be interesting to see if any of them posters with myopic political views still feel superior to anyone pointing out similarities or ‘they all the same’ type comments.

[Biffer]

I think it is fair to say we have barely started to uncover the corruption she was involved in.

Anyway, one down for fraud, one for corruption, Reeves next up for crashing the economy, solid start

More ? That would be just speculation, there was probs loads that Tories escaped with so I would not worry about it - it’s not actually a top trumps style game of bentness
‘Dodgy Money rating , 92 !’
‘Ha, dodgy money rating 94c give me that card now !’

But I do smirk at some purples view that Labour are somehow better & different from the evil Tories …. It’s the same massive coiled out turd, different bits of sweetcorn in the turd that’s all.


Re the economy - read somewhere that the cost of borrowing for labour is now even higher than it was after the truss Kwasi budget fiasco ? I don’t have those screens in front of me any more so can’t verify that.

It is - albeit the spike has been smaller as Truss has permanently increased our cost of borrowing. However the figures are still startling and largely self-inflicted as a reaction to the budget and a reflection of business very quickly losing confidence in the government

If it's largely self inflicted why are other countries also experiencing a rise in borrowing costs? Ours is larger because of our internal policies, but the increase isn't double, or more than double that of Germany or USA.

Can't believe people have me defending the labour party, given how shit they have been for Scotland over fifty years.

[Paddington Bear]

More ? That would be just speculation, there was probs loads that Tories escaped with so I would not worry about it - it’s not actually a top trumps style game of bentness
‘Dodgy Money rating , 92 !’
‘Ha, dodgy money rating 94c give me that card now !’

But I do smirk at some purples view that Labour are somehow better & different from the evil Tories …. It’s the same massive coiled out turd, different bits of sweetcorn in the turd that’s all.


Re the economy - read somewhere that the cost of borrowing for labour is now even higher than it was after the truss Kwasi budget fiasco ? I don’t have those screens in front of me any more so can’t verify that.

It is - albeit the spike has been smaller as Truss has permanently increased our cost of borrowing. However the figures are still startling and largely self-inflicted as a reaction to the budget and a reflection of business very quickly losing confidence in the government

If it's largely self inflicted why are other countries also experiencing a rise in borrowing costs? Ours is larger because of our internal policies, but the increase isn't double, or more than double that of Germany or USA.

Can't believe people have me defending the labour party, given how shit they have been for Scotland over fifty years.

Largely self-inflicted and ours is larger because of internal policies seem to be saying much the same thing, no?

[Biffer]

It is - albeit the spike has been smaller as Truss has permanently increased our cost of borrowing. However the figures are still startling and largely self-inflicted as a reaction to the budget and a reflection of business very quickly losing confidence in the government

If it's largely self inflicted why are other countries also experiencing a rise in borrowing costs? Ours is larger because of our internal policies, but the increase isn't double, or more than double that of Germany or USA.

Can't believe people have me defending the labour party, given how shit they have been for Scotland over fifty years.

Largely self-inflicted and ours is larger because of internal policies seem to be saying much the same thing, no?

Uh, no. If it was largely self inflicted, our rates would be increasing by a hell of a lot more than other countries. We've provided a boost to it.

[inactionman]

Farage and Truss whoring themselves to whatever reactionary right-wing US group they can work themselves into.

This week it's the Heartland Institute, who allege climate change isn't a thing and that smoking isn't bad for you - in which case, to be fair to her, Truss' brand of blind denial-of-the-obvious might actually be a good fit. We've now finally got a UK branch, so at least we can start to ring circle all the idiots.

The establishment of this UK branch of the Heartland Institute – which has links to the incoming Trump administration and has drawn on funding from companies including ExxonMobil and wealthy US Republican donors – comes as Farage seeks to make hostility to net zero a centrepiece of Reform’s electoral pitch. Reform MPs have used speaking time in parliament to push for the scrapping of net zero targets and to call for new coalmines.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -heartland



matey in the red blazer

eta: I note this is already on the climate change thread.

[dpedin]

Farage and Truss whoring themselves to whatever reactionary right-wing US group they can work themselves into.

This week it's the Heartland Institute, who allege climate change isn't a thing and that smoking isn't bad for you - in which case, to be fair to her, Truss' brand of blind denial-of-the-obvious might actually be a good fit. We've now finally got a UK branch, so at least we can start to ring circle all the idiots.

The establishment of this UK branch of the Heartland Institute – which has links to the incoming Trump administration and has drawn on funding from companies including ExxonMobil and wealthy US Republican donors – comes as Farage seeks to make hostility to net zero a centrepiece of Reform’s electoral pitch. Reform MPs have used speaking time in parliament to push for the scrapping of net zero targets and to call for new coalmines.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -heartland



matey in the red blazer

I always find these photos of mostly old gray men in suits and a token young blonde female in a short skirt slightly off putting. Not meant to be disparaging about the female involved, she might be the expert on oil & gas in the room, but just slightly creepy?

[Biffer]

Farage and Truss whoring themselves to whatever reactionary right-wing US group they can work themselves into.

This week it's the Heartland Institute, who allege climate change isn't a thing and that smoking isn't bad for you - in which case, to be fair to her, Truss' brand of blind denial-of-the-obvious might actually be a good fit. We've now finally got a UK branch, so at least we can start to ring circle all the idiots.

The establishment of this UK branch of the Heartland Institute – which has links to the incoming Trump administration and has drawn on funding from companies including ExxonMobil and wealthy US Republican donors – comes as Farage seeks to make hostility to net zero a centrepiece of Reform’s electoral pitch. Reform MPs have used speaking time in parliament to push for the scrapping of net zero targets and to call for new coalmines.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -heartland



matey in the red blazer

I always find these photos of mostly old gray men in suits and a token young blonde female in a short skirt slightly off putting. Not meant to be disparaging about the female involved, she might be the expert on oil & gas in the room, but just slightly creepy?

Creepy? Farage? You communist.

[SaintK]

Farage and Truss whoring themselves to whatever reactionary right-wing US group they can work themselves into.

This week it's the Heartland Institute, who allege climate change isn't a thing and that smoking isn't bad for you - in which case, to be fair to her, Truss' brand of blind denial-of-the-obvious might actually be a good fit. We've now finally got a UK branch, so at least we can start to ring circle all the idiots.

The establishment of this UK branch of the Heartland Institute – which has links to the incoming Trump administration and has drawn on funding from companies including ExxonMobil and wealthy US Republican donors – comes as Farage seeks to make hostility to net zero a centrepiece of Reform’s electoral pitch. Reform MPs have used speaking time in parliament to push for the scrapping of net zero targets and to call for new coalmines.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -heartland



matey in the red blazer

I always find these photos of mostly old gray men in suits and a token young blonde female in a short skirt slightly off putting. Not meant to be disparaging about the female involved, she might be the expert on oil & gas in the room, but just slightly creepy?

I see that the dinosaur cunt Christopher Chope is there. Probably going to discuss how he single handedly blocked the Upskirting Bill with the young lady concerened.

[Lobby]

Farage and Truss whoring themselves to whatever reactionary right-wing US group they can work themselves into.

This week it's the Heartland Institute, who allege climate change isn't a thing and that smoking isn't bad for you - in which case, to be fair to her, Truss' brand of blind denial-of-the-obvious might actually be a good fit. We've now finally got a UK branch, so at least we can start to ring circle all the idiots.



https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -heartland



matey in the red blazer

I always find these photos of mostly old gray men in suits and a token young blonde female in a short skirt slightly off putting. Not meant to be disparaging about the female involved, she might be the expert on oil & gas in the room, but just slightly creepy?

I see that the dinosaur cunt Christopher Chope is there. Probably going to discuss how he single handedly blocked the Upskirting Bill with the young lady concerened.

No surprise to see that c*nt, David Starkey, there as well, presumably promoting his ideas about the primacy of "white culture" and doing his bit to defend the "uniqueness of the Anglo-American tradition" against the non-white "barbarians".

[Slick]

I have always maintained that proper word and excel training would be one of the biggest value adds any L&D team could add to any organisation. I reckon I can use about 50/60% functionality on both, and its astonishing how much more productive it makes me than comparable people

I don't know how to do a single thing in Excel and run my own company. I'm very silly really and need to do a course

Just ask ChatGBT to make a spreadsheet for you.

My wife uses it all the time - she's a big fan of AI, although it's in its infancy, really.

Just used ChatGBT for the first time... asked it to write a paragraph for a proposal I'm writing. Bloody hell, that's good... I've been quite against it as I like to write my own stuff, but this is very helpful indeed...

[Tichtheid]

I don't know how to do a single thing in Excel and run my own company. I'm very silly really and need to do a course

Just ask ChatGBT to make a spreadsheet for you.

My wife uses it all the time - she's a big fan of AI, although it's in its infancy, really.

Just used ChatGBT for the first time... asked it to write a paragraph for a proposal I'm writing. Bloody hell, that's good... I've been quite against it as I like to write my own stuff, but this is very helpful indeed...

Yeah my wife used it a lot for work. She said you can refine your questions and it gets better. Then you edit it and you've got a pretty good piece.

You can use it for anything from train journeys to asking it what is the best car to buy.

[tabascoboy]

[Yeeb]

If it's largely self inflicted why are other countries also experiencing a rise in borrowing costs? Ours is larger because of our internal policies, but the increase isn't double, or more than double that of Germany or USA.

Can't believe people have me defending the labour party, given how shit they have been for Scotland over fifty years.

Largely self-inflicted and ours is larger because of internal policies seem to be saying much the same thing, no?

Uh, no. If it was largely self inflicted, our rates would be increasing by a hell of a lot more than other countries. We've provided a boost to it.

So exactly the same then as truss & Kwasi , where there were increases but not double or more than every other country out there.

Every government has things partially under their influence (or wholly like Brexit) and external factors like covid or Ukraine war. Labour has the advantage of huge majority yet are thus far doing worse re those borrowing rates. You can either own what happens under your command , or just carry on blaming the previous government.

[tabascoboy]

Starmer seems to have been a total car crash at PMQs today. They and the Tories doing their level best to boost Reform UK

[Yeeb]

Starmer seems to have been a total car crash at PMQs today. They and the Tories doing their level best to boost Reform UK

Wonder what odds you can get for a Trump & musk funded Farage to be PM inside of 2 years ?

Edit - 7/2 for next pm, 12/1 for by 2027 so 42/1 for both , couldn’t find a market for the Trump musk finance thing

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/br ... ir-starmer


Trump was 30/1 at one stage to get republican nomination first time around

[SaintK]

Starmer seems to have been a total car crash at PMQs today. They and the Tories doing their level best to boost Reform UK

Nah.
Baddenoch tried the scattergun approach rather than using the 6 questions on one subject.
She scored a decent point on the first one but went downhill from there. Though the Tory pree will tell you otherwise
Raising the resignation of Siddiq who was not found to have broken ministerial guidelines when Pritti Patel sat next to her was and refused to resign and then cost the the taxpayer £300,000 in a pay off to one of the civil servants she bullied was pprobably not the best question.
She hasn't got the hang of it yet and whoever is briefing her and rehearsing her needs to up their game big time.

[SaintK]

Starmer seems to have been a total car crash at PMQs today. They and the Tories doing their level best to boost Reform UK

Wonder what odds you can get for a Trump & musk funded Farage to be PM inside of 2 years ?

Edit - 7/2 for next pm, 12/1 for by 2027 so 42/1 for both , couldn’t find a market for the Trump musk finance thing

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/br ... ir-starmer


Trump was 30/1 at one stage to get republican nomination first time around

Why on earth will it be in 2 years?
Labour have got a huge majority so therte is no chance Frogface can get anywhere near Downing St within 2 years

[Biffer]

Starmer seems to have been a total car crash at PMQs today. They and the Tories doing their level best to boost Reform UK

Wonder what odds you can get for a Trump & musk funded Farage to be PM inside of 2 years ?

Edit - 7/2 for next pm, 12/1 for by 2027 so 42/1 for both , couldn’t find a market for the Trump musk finance thing

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/br ... ir-starmer


Trump was 30/1 at one stage to get republican nomination first time around

Why on earth will it be in 2 years?
Labour have got a huge majority so therte is no chance Frogface can get anywhere near Downing St within 2 years

Ah, but disruptors something something

[Yeeb]

Starmer seems to have been a total car crash at PMQs today. They and the Tories doing their level best to boost Reform UK

Wonder what odds you can get for a Trump & musk funded Farage to be PM inside of 2 years ?

Edit - 7/2 for next pm, 12/1 for by 2027 so 42/1 for both , couldn’t find a market for the Trump musk finance thing

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/br ... ir-starmer


Trump was 30/1 at one stage to get republican nomination first time around

Why on earth will it be in 2 years?
Labour have got a huge majority so therte is no chance Frogface can get anywhere near Downing St within 2 years

2 years was a random yet shorter than a full parliament timeframe , you say no chance yet bookies say 12/1

At the current rate of ministers sacked for fraud or dodgy £4billion + houses or similar, leading to a vote of no confidence or a war or jihad or cause another GE , well 12/1 sounds reasonable to me

[Yeeb]

Oh dear , Angela rayner only at 16/1 to be the next prime minister after Starmer

[Deepsouth]

It's truly ironic. You all love running the French down for being soft, and yet they did what had to be done. Madame Guillotine, most of you are still bowing and scraping. Where is a Cromwell when you need him? And you do need him.

[Hal Jordan]

It's truly ironic. You all love running the French down for being soft, and yet they did what had to be done. Madame Guillotine, most of you are still bowing and scraping. Where is a Cromwell when you need him? And you do need him.

What, the one who dismissed Parliament, set himself up as primus inter pares and was succeeded by his son as head of the state?

REPUBLIC!