Southport Incident

[Sandstorm]

Didn't we all get the shits when Pritty Patel was trying to make terrorism charges stick for everything including shoplifting a few years ago? Now we want Starmer to go all in....

[Paddington Bear]

Didn't we all get the shits when Pritty Patel was trying to make terrorism charges stick for everything including shoplifting a few years ago? Now we want Starmer to go all in....

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

[Sandstorm]

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

This bloke had mental health issues. Nothing the State can do, except lock him up BEFORE he commits a violent crime. I think Tom Cruise did a film about that.....

[Paddington Bear]

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

This bloke had mental health issues. Nothing the State can do, except lock him up BEFORE he commits a violent crime. I think Tom Cruise did a film about that.....

Both him and the chap in Nottingham should have been in padded cells long before their attacks

[inactionman]

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

This bloke had mental health issues. Nothing the State can do, except lock him up BEFORE he commits a violent crime. I think Tom Cruise did a film about that.....

I'm not sure Tom Cruise sectioned anyone?

[Sandstorm]

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

This bloke had mental health issues. Nothing the State can do, except lock him up BEFORE he commits a violent crime. I think Tom Cruise did a film about that.....

Both him and the chap in Nottingham should have been in padded cells long before their attacks

Of course they should have. But this is Britain. We're skint, disorganised and terrible at dealing with mental health issues. Bugger-all chance either of these attacks could have been foreseen, communicated to the right authority and managed "with padded cells". I don't think Japan or Norway would have more success either.

Shit just happens when nutters are around.

[Paddington Bear]

This bloke had mental health issues. Nothing the State can do, except lock him up BEFORE he commits a violent crime. I think Tom Cruise did a film about that.....

Both him and the chap in Nottingham should have been in padded cells long before their attacks

Of course they should have. But this is Britain. We're skint, disorganised and terrible at dealing with mental health issues. Bugger-all chance either of these attacks could have been foreseen, communicated to the right authority and managed "with padded cells". I don't think Japan or Norway would have more success either.

Shit just happens when nutters are around.

I don’t accept that ‘this is Britain’ and a shrug is the right response. We need to be changing how we deal with these people, even if it makes some uncomfortable. These type of attacks happen too often

[I like neeps]

I think it’s fair to say that if we once again focus on people being mean on the internet in the aftermath of cold blooded murder we have utterly failed, again

Wrong end of the stick!

It appears the cold hearted murderer was using social media to access and watch some pretty extreme violent and dangerous sites including how to make ricin, Al Qaeda handbook, genocidal acts, watching graphic videos of actual murders and purchase of weapons. It appears he was in effect radicalized online but not by a state run or organized terrorist group but just by watching sick videos which fed what appears to be an underlying mental health issue. Question is should a lot of this info be readily available on line, particularly to a sick teenager, without any apparent checks, constraints, etc. This is the issue that will push Herr Musk and his social media mates over the edge, any attempt to regulate what they can and cant show on their sites will lead to an almighty fight. it hits their pockets!

On a separate point, Starmer indicated that he is willing to change the law re terrorism. At the moment this murderer cant be jailed for a full life term due to his age, unless his crime fits under the definition of terrorism. At the moment his crime isn't terrorism, he was acting alone, hence Starmer's point about the need to review the definition to allow a full life term in the future.

We can certainly agree on the sentencing. How on earth are we at a point as a society where murdering three children doesn’t carry a whole life tariff by default?

Would do if he was an adult really. He won't get out of jail ever, nobody is parolling him.

[Blackmac]

Going off in Glasgow next month if that snivelling toerag Yaxley-Lennon has his way. Hopefully he'll be banged up before then

Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar has said he has “no doubt” Glasgow will reject the far-right ahead of a planned protest, reports the PA news agency.
A “pro-UK rally” has been planned for the city’s George Square on 7 September, with English Defence League (EDL) founder Tommy Robinson – whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon – promoting the event on social media.

He's never managed to create any real issues in Scotland. Always a damp squib.

[Blackmac]

This bloke had mental health issues. Nothing the State can do, except lock him up BEFORE he commits a violent crime. I think Tom Cruise did a film about that.....

Both him and the chap in Nottingham should have been in padded cells long before their attacks

Of course they should have. But this is Britain. We're skint, disorganised and terrible at dealing with mental health issues. Bugger-all chance either of these attacks could have been foreseen, communicated to the right authority and managed "with padded cells". I don't think Japan or Norway would have more success either.

Shit just happens when nutters are around.

Absolutely this.

[dpedin]

Both him and the chap in Nottingham should have been in padded cells long before their attacks

Of course they should have. But this is Britain. We're skint, disorganised and terrible at dealing with mental health issues. Bugger-all chance either of these attacks could have been foreseen, communicated to the right authority and managed "with padded cells". I don't think Japan or Norway would have more success either.

Shit just happens when nutters are around.

Absolutely this.

I suspect folk would be surprised if they knew how much potential terrorism is actually prevented by the authorities before it happens!

Inevitably this sort of incident will continue to happen as all the best funded services in the world will never prevent this type of lone wolf action. Folk will cry blue murder about the 'authorities' need to do more and be better joined up to prevent this sort of thing, unfortunately they are the same folk who cry out about state over reach and erosion of their freedoms when concrete proposals are actually put forward! Scotland tried in vain with the Named Person proposals under the Getting it Right for Every Child policy aimed at ensuring there was a single point of contact to coordinate services to identify and protect children at risk - it failed due to legal issues, being badly thought through and the outcry from opponents who branded it a 'snoopers charter'! The legal issues in sharing information across various agencies proved to be insurmountable. Easy to shout about what Gov should do but feckin difficult to actually make it work in practice.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-49753980

[sefton]

This is very close to home for me and not just geographically and the diarrhoea from Robert Jenrick makes me feel physically sick.

[Yeeb]

Didn't we all get the shits when Pritty Patel was trying to make terrorism charges stick for everything including shoplifting a few years ago? Now we want Starmer to go all in....

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

Yeah, not really political as this awful event was down to a long line of mistakes and missed opportunities - only gets to be political if you follow to Nth degree and go down the ‘import 3rd world, get 3rd world problems’ type immigration discussion.

Reasonably sure there have been child killers, where the perpetrator was from various backgrounds including Anglo Saxon , during every single government since ww2 at least - trying to make political capital from this event is a tad weak

[mat the expat]

I don’t accept that ‘this is Britain’ and a shrug is the right response. We need to be changing how we deal with these people, even if it makes some uncomfortable. These type of attacks happen too often

That's the problem though - people have voted in the Tories for years and they are renowned for never investing any money in Mental Health issues

They were the ones in the 80s and 90s that closed lots of secure facilities and pushed patients out into the "Community". That went well

People can't have it both ways

[S/Lt_Phillips]

Didn't we all get the shits when Pritty Patel was trying to make terrorism charges stick for everything including shoplifting a few years ago? Now we want Starmer to go all in....

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

Yeah, not really political as this awful event was down to a long line of mistakes and missed opportunities - only gets to be political if you follow to Nth degree and go down the ‘import 3rd world, get 3rd world problems’ type immigration discussion.

Reasonably sure there have been child killers, where the perpetrator was from various backgrounds including Anglo Saxon , during every single government since ww2 at least - trying to make political capital from this event is a tad weak

Who are you , and what have you done with the real Yeeb? Or have you just had your annual appraisal and been reset back to factory settings (i.e. reasonable)?

[Yeeb]

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

Yeah, not really political as this awful event was down to a long line of mistakes and missed opportunities - only gets to be political if you follow to Nth degree and go down the ‘import 3rd world, get 3rd world problems’ type immigration discussion.

Reasonably sure there have been child killers, where the perpetrator was from various backgrounds including Anglo Saxon , during every single government since ww2 at least - trying to make political capital from this event is a tad weak

Who are you , and what have you done with the real Yeeb? Or have you just had your annual appraisal and been reset back to factory settings (i.e. reasonable)?

Eh ?
Don’t believe I have a track record of trolling threads where kids have been murdered , and plenty could have / should have been done to prevent and preempt this

[S/Lt_Phillips]

Yeah, not really political as this awful event was down to a long line of mistakes and missed opportunities - only gets to be political if you follow to Nth degree and go down the ‘import 3rd world, get 3rd world problems’ type immigration discussion.

Reasonably sure there have been child killers, where the perpetrator was from various backgrounds including Anglo Saxon , during every single government since ww2 at least - trying to make political capital from this event is a tad weak

Who are you , and what have you done with the real Yeeb? Or have you just had your annual appraisal and been reset back to factory settings (i.e. reasonable)?

Eh ?
Don’t believe I have a track record of trolling threads where kids have been murdered , and plenty could have / should have been done to prevent and preempt this

That's fair - apologies. You do have an interesting track record on a number of other threads though

[Yeeb]

Who are you , and what have you done with the real Yeeb? Or have you just had your annual appraisal and been reset back to factory settings (i.e. reasonable)?

Eh ?
Don’t believe I have a track record of trolling threads where kids have been murdered , and plenty could have / should have been done to prevent and preempt this

That's fair - apologies. You do have an interesting track record on a number of other threads though

Now that I do. The joy I get from twisting say for example some Irish logic back to them (often c&p someone else’s exact words) is as amusing to me as it worrying. That, plus me enjoying shit repetitive jokes & often having time to kill whilst I’m in the clock , frees my fingers to type so real utter bollocks on occasion.

Murdered children threads not the place though.

[SaintK]

Didn't we all get the shits when Pritty Patel was trying to make terrorism charges stick for everything including shoplifting a few years ago? Now we want Starmer to go all in....

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

Well you watch the Tories and Farage try and make it one at PMQ's later.
Jenrick has twice accused Starmer of a cover up and Philp (has there ever been a worse Shadow Home Secretary) has said that in interviews yesterday morning and all but said it in Parliament in the afternoon with Badenoch furiously nodding agreement behind him
As fo Farage, he'd weaponise anything as he already has on this just to get on the front page of The Maily Telegraph and on the main news bulletins

[Yeeb]

Didn't we all get the shits when Pritty Patel was trying to make terrorism charges stick for everything including shoplifting a few years ago? Now we want Starmer to go all in....

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

Well you watch the Tories and Farage try and make it one at PMQ's later.
Jenrick has twice accused Starmer of a cover up and Philp (has there ever been a worse Shadow Home Secretary) has said that in interviews yesterday morning and all but said it in Parliament in the afternoon with Badenoch furiously nodding agreement behind him
As fo Farage, he'd weaponise anything as he already has on this just to get on the front page of The Maily Telegraph and on the main news bulletins

One bit thats not necessarily political mudslinging , is that govt advisor guy on counter terrorism saying starmer withholding certain info was a wrong decision and that certain bits of info that were widely known / speculated on were kept quiet lest they offend some engineer and doctor in the making types - it does seem that he is more intent to go after right wingers being racist on the Internet , than actually stopping those who may commit such child murders though. When it’s the govt own expert saying that , then it does seem like a cover up of sorts

[dpedin]

Didn't we all get the shits when Pritty Patel was trying to make terrorism charges stick for everything including shoplifting a few years ago? Now we want Starmer to go all in....

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

Well you watch the Tories and Farage try and make it one at PMQ's later.
Jenrick has twice accused Starmer of a cover up and Philp (has there ever been a worse Shadow Home Secretary) has said that in interviews yesterday morning and all but said it in Parliament in the afternoon with Badenoch furiously nodding agreement behind him
As fo Farage, he'd weaponise anything as he already has on this just to get on the front page of The Maily Telegraph and on the main news bulletins

100% this! Farage, Jenrick et al have tried to use the horrendous event in Southport for their own political and ideological aims. They are despicable people and should be called out as such. When I hear them speak I just think of the poor families involved and imagine how they felt when the thugs and right wing agitators used the deaths of their beloved kids to try and justify violent riots and destruction of mosques, libraries, looting shops etc. Just plain despicable.

[Yeeb]

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

Well you watch the Tories and Farage try and make it one at PMQ's later.
Jenrick has twice accused Starmer of a cover up and Philp (has there ever been a worse Shadow Home Secretary) has said that in interviews yesterday morning and all but said it in Parliament in the afternoon with Badenoch furiously nodding agreement behind him
As fo Farage, he'd weaponise anything as he already has on this just to get on the front page of The Maily Telegraph and on the main news bulletins

100% this! Farage, Jenrick et al have tried to use the horrendous event in Southport for their own political and ideological aims. They are despicable people and should be called out as such. When I hear them speak I just think of the poor families involved and imagine how they felt when the thugs and right wing agitators used the deaths of their beloved kids to try and justify violent riots and destruction of mosques, libraries, looting shops etc. Just plain despicable.

They may not have given a shit & be wholly concerned with losing their child

[SaintK]

I don’t think this is a party political issue. Truth is yet again the State has failed to stop children being killed. Maybe harsher sentences will deter people, at the very least they’ll provide some semblance of justice

Well you watch the Tories and Farage try and make it one at PMQ's later.
Jenrick has twice accused Starmer of a cover up and Philp (has there ever been a worse Shadow Home Secretary) has said that in interviews yesterday morning and all but said it in Parliament in the afternoon with Badenoch furiously nodding agreement behind him
As fo Farage, he'd weaponise anything as he already has on this just to get on the front page of The Maily Telegraph and on the main news bulletins

One bit thats not necessarily political mudslinging , is that govt advisor guy on counter terrorism saying starmer withholding certain info was a wrong decision and that certain bits of info that were widely known / speculated on were kept quiet lest they offend some engineer and doctor in the making types - it does seem that he is more intent to go after right wingers being racist on the Internet , than actually stopping those who may commit such child murders though. When it’s the govt own expert saying that , then it does seem like a cover up of sorts

That'sbollocks and just what the cunts like Jenrick and Farage and Adolf Musk are trying to fan the flames with!

[Yeeb]

Well you watch the Tories and Farage try and make it one at PMQ's later.
Jenrick has twice accused Starmer of a cover up and Philp (has there ever been a worse Shadow Home Secretary) has said that in interviews yesterday morning and all but said it in Parliament in the afternoon with Badenoch furiously nodding agreement behind him
As fo Farage, he'd weaponise anything as he already has on this just to get on the front page of The Maily Telegraph and on the main news bulletins

One bit thats not necessarily political mudslinging , is that govt advisor guy on counter terrorism saying starmer withholding certain info was a wrong decision and that certain bits of info that were widely known / speculated on were kept quiet lest they offend some engineer and doctor in the making types - it does seem that he is more intent to go after right wingers being racist on the Internet , than actually stopping those who may commit such child murders though. When it’s the govt own expert saying that , then it does seem like a cover up of sorts

That'sbollocks and just what the cunts like Jenrick and Farage and Adolf Musk are trying to fan the flames with!

For me , the govt own specialist advisor saying that the approach was wrong , moves it out of the ‘it’s bollocks rabble rousing ‘ category and into the plausibility zone.
Just saying it’s bollocks and people you disagree with are cunts, does not make you correct sadly necessarily. On the radio today I heard Starmer is now looking at adding in checks for buying knives , I would rather he announced some kind urgent audit of kids who have been pinged for worrying reasons like knives, ricin , expelled for violence etc

A rather high proportion of these sort of events perpetrators do seem to be people already known to the various authorities , not just in the uk either

[SaintK]

One bit thats not necessarily political mudslinging , is that govt advisor guy on counter terrorism saying starmer withholding certain info was a wrong decision and that certain bits of info that were widely known / speculated on were kept quiet lest they offend some engineer and doctor in the making types - it does seem that he is more intent to go after right wingers being racist on the Internet , than actually stopping those who may commit such child murders though. When it’s the govt own expert saying that , then it does seem like a cover up of sorts

That'sbollocks and just what the cunts like Jenrick and Farage and Adolf Musk are trying to fan the flames with!

For me , the govt own specialist advisor saying that the approach was wrong , moves it out of the ‘it’s bollocks rabble rousing ‘ category and into the plausibility zone.
Just saying it’s bollocks and people you disagree with are cunts, does not make you correct sadly necessarily. On the radio today I heard Starmer is now looking at adding in checks for buying knives , I would rather he announced some kind urgent audit of kids who have been pinged for worrying reasons like knives, ricin , expelled for violence etc

A rather high proportion of these sort of events perpetrators do seem to be people already known to the various authorities , not just in the uk either

I've been following this story reasonably closely and haven't seen a quote from any government advisor saying ther has been a cover up.
Starmer announced yesterday that there will be a full investigation as to why the government's Prevent procedure failed to pick on the murderer who had been referred 3 times.

[Yeeb]

That'sbollocks and just what the cunts like Jenrick and Farage and Adolf Musk are trying to fan the flames with!

For me , the govt own specialist advisor saying that the approach was wrong , moves it out of the ‘it’s bollocks rabble rousing ‘ category and into the plausibility zone.
Just saying it’s bollocks and people you disagree with are cunts, does not make you correct sadly necessarily. On the radio today I heard Starmer is now looking at adding in checks for buying knives , I would rather he announced some kind urgent audit of kids who have been pinged for worrying reasons like knives, ricin , expelled for violence etc

A rather high proportion of these sort of events perpetrators do seem to be people already known to the various authorities , not just in the uk either

I've been following this story reasonably closely and haven't seen a quote from any government advisor saying ther has been a cover up.
Starmer announced yesterday that there will be a full investigation as to why the government's Prevent procedure failed to pick on the murderer who had been referred 3 times.

Would have been a msn or cnn news link from a intranet website , unsure now of the source, sorry.
Anyone who thinks sir kier himself suppressed info is a tinfoil hat wearer , but it’s clear something here went badly wrong in the organisation as well as execution , am unsure wether a govt investigation will have any actual use or effectively stopping this sort of thing again

[Sandstorm]

Anyone who thinks sir kier himself suppressed info is a tinfoil hat wearer , but it’s clear something here went badly wrong in the organisation as well as execution , am unsure wether a govt investigation will have any actual use or effectively stopping this sort of thing again

Indeed. These Govt departments drop the ball all the time and nothing changes because no-one actually gets hauled over the coals. If they named the Senior Civil Servant or Police Chief responsible for these failures and sacked them publicly, every other department Head would get the message that their fuck-ups have consequences.

Instead its all just swept under the rug .

[Blackmac]

Of course they should have. But this is Britain. We're skint, disorganised and terrible at dealing with mental health issues. Bugger-all chance either of these attacks could have been foreseen, communicated to the right authority and managed "with padded cells". I don't think Japan or Norway would have more success either.

Shit just happens when nutters are around.

Absolutely this.

I suspect folk would be surprised if they knew how much potential terrorism is actually prevented by the authorities before it happens!

Inevitably this sort of incident will continue to happen as all the best funded services in the world will never prevent this type of lone wolf action. Folk will cry blue murder about the 'authorities' need to do more and be better joined up to prevent this sort of thing, unfortunately they are the same folk who cry out about state over reach and erosion of their freedoms when concrete proposals are actually put forward! Scotland tried in vain with the Named Person proposals under the Getting it Right for Every Child policy aimed at ensuring there was a single point of contact to coordinate services to identify and protect children at risk - it failed due to legal issues, being badly thought through and the outcry from opponents who branded it a 'snoopers charter'! The legal issues in sharing information across various agencies proved to be insurmountable. Easy to shout about what Gov should do but feckin difficult to actually make it work in practice.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-49753980

Yes. The security services do an incredible job and the vast majority of credible threats are thwarted. It's completely unrealistic to expect that they can monitor and prevent every low level lunatic who might just might launch a successful attack. The resources aren't there and the laws would need to be too draconian.

It's virtually like suggesting that the police should monitor each and every know criminal to prevent crime.

[dpedin]

Absolutely this.

I suspect folk would be surprised if they knew how much potential terrorism is actually prevented by the authorities before it happens!

Inevitably this sort of incident will continue to happen as all the best funded services in the world will never prevent this type of lone wolf action. Folk will cry blue murder about the 'authorities' need to do more and be better joined up to prevent this sort of thing, unfortunately they are the same folk who cry out about state over reach and erosion of their freedoms when concrete proposals are actually put forward! Scotland tried in vain with the Named Person proposals under the Getting it Right for Every Child policy aimed at ensuring there was a single point of contact to coordinate services to identify and protect children at risk - it failed due to legal issues, being badly thought through and the outcry from opponents who branded it a 'snoopers charter'! The legal issues in sharing information across various agencies proved to be insurmountable. Easy to shout about what Gov should do but feckin difficult to actually make it work in practice.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-49753980

Yes. The security services do an incredible job and the vast majority of credible threats are thwarted. It's completely unrealistic to expect that they can monitor and prevent every low level lunatic who might just might launch a successful attack. The resources aren't there and the laws would need to be too draconian.

It's virtually like suggesting that the police should monitor each and every know criminal to prevent crime.

Perhaps Musk could 'chip' them all and monitor their movements and thoughts so we could prevent them .......

[Yeeb]

I suspect folk would be surprised if they knew how much potential terrorism is actually prevented by the authorities before it happens!

Inevitably this sort of incident will continue to happen as all the best funded services in the world will never prevent this type of lone wolf action. Folk will cry blue murder about the 'authorities' need to do more and be better joined up to prevent this sort of thing, unfortunately they are the same folk who cry out about state over reach and erosion of their freedoms when concrete proposals are actually put forward! Scotland tried in vain with the Named Person proposals under the Getting it Right for Every Child policy aimed at ensuring there was a single point of contact to coordinate services to identify and protect children at risk - it failed due to legal issues, being badly thought through and the outcry from opponents who branded it a 'snoopers charter'! The legal issues in sharing information across various agencies proved to be insurmountable. Easy to shout about what Gov should do but feckin difficult to actually make it work in practice.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-49753980

Yes. The security services do an incredible job and the vast majority of credible threats are thwarted. It's completely unrealistic to expect that they can monitor and prevent every low level lunatic who might just might launch a successful attack. The resources aren't there and the laws would need to be too draconian.

It's virtually like suggesting that the police should monitor each and every know criminal to prevent crime.

Perhaps Musk could 'chip' them all and monitor their movements and thoughts so we could prevent them .......

Well duh That’s what the Covid vaccine does

[SaintK]

Yes. The security services do an incredible job and the vast majority of credible threats are thwarted. It's completely unrealistic to expect that they can monitor and prevent every low level lunatic who might just might launch a successful attack. The resources aren't there and the laws would need to be too draconian.

It's virtually like suggesting that the police should monitor each and every know criminal to prevent crime.

Perhaps Musk could 'chip' them all and monitor their movements and thoughts so we could prevent them .......

Well duh That’s what the Covid vaccine does

Yep
Bill Gates got in first!!

[C69]

Fucking hell the lad is a sick fuck. Reading his words about the killings is so fucking harrowing.
Surely he is a psychopath.

[Paddington Bear]

Had to stop following the BBC ticker, an absolutely obscene crime

[Yeeb]

Fucking hell the lad is a sick fuck. Reading his words about the killings is so fucking harrowing.
Surely he is a psychopath.

Yep, suspect he won’t last long in jail one way or another

[C69]

Had to stop following the BBC ticker, an absolutely obscene crime

It's goulish.

[inactionman]

Rudakubana’s barrister Stanley Reiz KC is presenting mitigating factors, which he admits are limited.

“There is very little that the defendant has done that can be said could be to his credit,” he says.

No shit.

[inactionman]

He hasn't come out for sentencing.

Hoping that makes it easier for the families, not having to see his mug ever again.

[Slick]

He hasn't come out for sentencing.

Hoping that makes it easier for the families, not having to see his mug ever again.

The judge seemed adamant he would get him out

[dpedin]

50+ years in jail - seems about right!

[Biffer]

50+ years in jail - seems about right!

52 year minimum term and an expectation that he will never leave jail.

Second longest term ever given to someone who was under 18 when they committed the crime.