President Trump and US politics catchall

[Guy Smiley]

You have prompted me to rattle on about one of my theories of society. Well done.

The advent of the computer age and its growth into a fundamental part of society over the last forty years or so has changed the way we look at the world.

Prior to computers we lived in an analogue world, where everything was determined around how much something was one way or another. Everything was on some kind of spectrum, everything had subtlety, loads of things were complicated.

The digital age changed that. Through everyday experience and through education, and all the other influences of digital, we started to think about things as on or off, one or zero, yes or no, right or wrong. Everything had to fall into one camp or another, no middle ground, no shades of grey. That wormed its way into society, and politics. You’re one of us or one of them. If you’re one of us you think like this. If you think like that, you’re one of them.

We just have to hope society hangs together long enough that the advent of quantum tech has a similar effect.

That's an interesting take on things. I'm 63, when I was a kid we had rotary dial telephones and a long distance call went through an exchange. I think a lot of us would share that sort of memory and your take on the collective effects of digitising our world is a good one.

Personally, I'm in favour of compulsory sniper training and a standard issue long gun.

[I like neeps]

I’ve just left the recording of Debate Night (Scotlands Question Time)in Edinburgh, was quite surprised at the number of Trump fans, particularly younger ones

Young men are only becoming bigger fans of strongman leadership in the west.

What’s the compelling offer from the mainstream to them? They are particularly failed by a system that is falling apart at the seams

Yeah I'm not commenting on it being a good/bad thing I'm just saying it's a clear and growing trend. I agree they aren't being offered anything by mainstream parties... not really sure who is mind.

Socks point about them not knowing this behaviour is atypical is a good one. Had never thought of that.

[Firewater]

I’ve just left the recording of Debate Night (Scotlands Question Time)in Edinburgh, was quite surprised at the number of Trump fans, particularly younger ones

Young men are only becoming bigger fans of strongman leadership in the west.

Because weak corrupt leaders who do the opposite to what they said hasn't worked

So they return to stronger leaders who will keep their word. As Trump is doing so far

[Paddington Bear]

Young men are only becoming bigger fans of strongman leadership in the west.

What’s the compelling offer from the mainstream to them? They are particularly failed by a system that is falling apart at the seams

Yeah I'm not commenting on it being a good/bad thing I'm just saying it's a clear and growing trend. I agree they aren't being offered anything by mainstream parties... not really sure who is mind.

Socks point about them not knowing this behaviour is atypical is a good one. Had never thought of that.

I think there was (maybe still is?) a delusion on the centre left that a new generation entering the voter pool would guarantee them success, forgetting angry young men have throughout history acted in deeply unpredictable ways when marginalised and their living standards can’t be maintained.

Can’t see any meaningful change to their central conditions, and suspect we’re in for a very hairy time

[Firewater]

You have prompted me to rattle on about one of my theories of society. Well done.

The advent of the computer age and its growth into a fundamental part of society over the last forty years or so has changed the way we look at the world.

Prior to computers we lived in an analogue world, where everything was determined around how much something was one way or another. Everything was on some kind of spectrum, everything had subtlety, loads of things were complicated.

The digital age changed that. Through everyday experience and through education, and all the other influences of digital, we started to think about things as on or off, one or zero, yes or no, right or wrong. Everything had to fall into one camp or another, no middle ground, no shades of grey. That wormed its way into society, and politics. You’re one of us or one of them. If you’re one of us you think like this. If you think like that, you’re one of them.

We just have to hope society hangs together long enough that the advent of quantum tech has a similar effect.

That's an interesting take on things. I'm 63, when I was a kid we had rotary dial telephones and a long distance call went through an exchange. I think a lot of us would share that sort of memory and your take on the collective effects of digitising our world is a good one.

Personally, I'm in favour of compulsory sniper training and a standard issue long gun.

The internet have allowed people to think about things that were previously out of bounds. My view is this is a very good thing. The ruling elite of course don't. They are losing control of a system where they have massively benefited from technology improvements. The majority have missed out. They have more toys to play with but financially its harder to make ends meet

[Slick]

And now Trump has called Zelensky a dictator - because he hasn't held an election due in 2024 due to the fact there's martial law due to the great big fucking war going on.

Fuck my old boots, how have we come to this. It's just so obviously stupid.

Clearly Putin wants Trump to help get a puppet in there, Trump just cannot be this craven.

So I assume you will be ok if Trump decides after 4 years to just stay in power. As Zelenskyy has done

Esp after hes lead the country into a maybe country destroying war

Oh fuck this is stupid

Wait for your queues off social media before trying to think for yourself next time

[Firewater]

What’s the compelling offer from the mainstream to them? They are particularly failed by a system that is falling apart at the seams

Yeah I'm not commenting on it being a good/bad thing I'm just saying it's a clear and growing trend. I agree they aren't being offered anything by mainstream parties... not really sure who is mind.

Socks point about them not knowing this behaviour is atypical is a good one. Had never thought of that.

I think there was (maybe still is?) a delusion on the centre left that a new generation entering the voter pool would guarantee them success, forgetting angry young men have throughout history acted in deeply unpredictable ways when marginalised and their living standards can’t be maintained.

Can’t see any meaningful change to their central conditions, and suspect we’re in for a very hairy time

And angry women too. They can be a more powerful force to promote change than men. But really change is more likely to occur when men and women work together. This is now starting to happen. Trump wouldn't have won without women's support

[Firewater]

And now Trump has called Zelensky a dictator - because he hasn't held an election due in 2024 due to the fact there's martial law due to the great big fucking war going on.

Fuck my old boots, how have we come to this. It's just so obviously stupid.

Clearly Putin wants Trump to help get a puppet in there, Trump just cannot be this craven.

So I assume you will be ok if Trump decides after 4 years to just stay in power. As Zelenskyy has done

Esp after hes lead the country into a maybe country destroying war

Oh fuck this is stupid

Wait for your queues off social media before trying to think for yourself next time

So, that's a no. Its fine when you support someone. But not if you don't

Zelenskyy has been a complete disaster for Ukraine. I can understand why he doesn't want a fair election though. After a ceasefire.

[Uncle fester]

What’s the compelling offer from the mainstream to them? They are particularly failed by a system that is falling apart at the seams

Yeah I'm not commenting on it being a good/bad thing I'm just saying it's a clear and growing trend. I agree they aren't being offered anything by mainstream parties... not really sure who is mind.

Socks point about them not knowing this behaviour is atypical is a good one. Had never thought of that.

I think there was (maybe still is?) a delusion on the centre left that a new generation entering the voter pool would guarantee them success, forgetting angry young men have throughout history acted in deeply unpredictable ways when marginalised and their living standards can’t be maintained.

Can’t see any meaningful change to their central conditions, and suspect we’re in for a very hairy time

Because baby boomers own all the assets and will only rent them to following generations. Political parties work for the interests of baby boomers and young voters are ignored.

[Firewater]

So Trump and Putin meet up with Saudis to decide how they carve up Ukraine and Eastern Europe tomorrow. Putin will be given solution that lets him save face for his disastrous 'special operation' whilst Trump will be given his victory in Europe. More worryingly will be they will agree that Ukraine has to hold elections for the peace plan to work which means they will manipulate the election in order to instal a puppet in place of Zelensky. The Puppet will then concede more ground to Russia whilst signing off the agreement to let the US have free access to the rare minerals etc they want. There will also be agreement about Putins longer term acquisitions in Eastern Europe and Trump will agree the US will stand aside when he moves in return for Russia stopping all its relationships with China who Trump sees as the real and his personal enemy. It will be a feckin disaster for everyone including the US but Trump and team are too feckin dumb to see otherwise.

Meanwhile back in the good old USofA the rise of the racist & facist state continues apace as they asset strip the state, transfer vast swathes of federal wealth to big business, cut taxes for the rich, destroy what little regulatory protections the public had, destroy the independence of the judiciary, use DEI excuse to reintroduce segregation, ban women from having any control over their own reproductive systems, destroy public healthcare and make general healthcare a hugely expensive service only the rich can afford. Herr Furher Trump via his henchmen like Herman Elon Goering and Stephen Goebells Miller continue to implement their Project 2025 and it will end up with Trump getting his wish to be the biggest and most powerful Dictator the world has ever seen!

We are in a real shithole and it's coming to us all sooner than we think!

Yesterday's announcements were all sadly predictable! The most dangerous thing is the push from Trump for Ukraine to hold an election, ignoring completely Putins rigged elections for 20 years. They have agreed - Putin and Trump that is - to install a puppet in place of Zelensky as a first step towards what I posted earlier - a carve up of Ukraine mineral wealth which is what this was is all about in the first place. This is going to be feckin disastrous as the majority of Ukrainians will resist this tooth and nail, they know the consequences of being under Russian control and think it is better to die on the battlefield than in a Gulag or falling-out of a 12th floor window.

Meanwhile the good old USofA is planning to monitor all pregnant women to make sure they dont abort etc. It will be breeding farms next, or probably a law defining what women are allowed/no allowed to do when pregnant. Declaring that only the President or Attorney General can decide on the law is scary, well scary! The descent into a Project 2025 dystopian world is well underway.

I am still waiting for the posters who suggested I needed a tin foil hat are now reconsidering their positions?

PS With SpaceX now involved in filling the workforce gaps in the FAA and implementing 'system improvements' I would suggest to think twice about flying to the USA at the moment - you want to avoid any rapid unscheduled disassemblies!

Regarding pregnant women. It's been returned to the states. Where is was and should have stayed. Trump has been clear about this. Dispute fiction about monitoring pregnant women etc

[Guy Smiley]

Yeah I'm not commenting on it being a good/bad thing I'm just saying it's a clear and growing trend. I agree they aren't being offered anything by mainstream parties... not really sure who is mind.

Socks point about them not knowing this behaviour is atypical is a good one. Had never thought of that.

I think there was (maybe still is?) a delusion on the centre left that a new generation entering the voter pool would guarantee them success, forgetting angry young men have throughout history acted in deeply unpredictable ways when marginalised and their living standards can’t be maintained.

Can’t see any meaningful change to their central conditions, and suspect we’re in for a very hairy time

Because baby boomers own all the assets and will only rent them to following generations. Political parties work for the interests of baby boomers and young voters are ignored.

I don't think the whole 'boomers did this' argument helps, it's yet another distraction which, while carrying a little weight of its own still misses the underlying cause...

we're into a supercharged version of capitalism. Where we're at is just a logical progression of economic policies that were set in motion in the 80s. The whole neo liberal philosophy leads us to this point of concentration of wealth that allows unprecedented power.

While a lot of people are clearly disaffected and suffering, the fixation with individuals as a cause or solution is an understandable mistake in my view... the real issue is that our current economic philosophy is failing us, and that is a pattern you can see being repeated across most of the world.

[Biffer]

And now Trump has called Zelensky a dictator - because he hasn't held an election due in 2024 due to the fact there's martial law due to the great big fucking war going on.

Fuck my old boots, how have we come to this. It's just so obviously stupid.

Clearly Putin wants Trump to help get a puppet in there, Trump just cannot be this craven.

So I assume you will be ok if Trump decides after 4 years to just stay in power. As Zelenskyy has done

Esp after hes lead the country into a maybe country destroying war

Oh fuck this is stupid

Wait for your queues off social media before trying to think for yourself next time

Worth pointing out that the suspension of elections is in line with a law passed in Ukraine in 2015 to allow this in time of war.

You know, after the previous time Russia invaded, and before Zelensky was president.

[Tichtheid]

And now Trump has called Zelensky a dictator - because he hasn't held an election due in 2024 due to the fact there's martial law due to the great big fucking war going on.

Fuck my old boots, how have we come to this. It's just so obviously stupid.

Clearly Putin wants Trump to help get a puppet in there, Trump just cannot be this craven.

So I assume you will be ok if Trump decides after 4 years to just stay in power. As Zelenskyy has done

Esp after hes lead the country into a maybe country destroying war

That's a stretch - the comparison between the US and Ukraine.

A better comparison might be that Mexico would have to invade and destroy much of Texas because, y'know it was historically part of Mexico. Mexico would have to have hugely superior firepower to the US and then the US would have to allow Russia and Mexico to negotiate a ceasefire which puts the existence of the future of the US in jeopardy because Mexico wants a puppet in the Whitehouse, one that is sympathetic to Mexico, whilst signing off Texas's mineral wealth to Russia.

edit, I've just seen a Newsthump thing that is better than what I wrote there - '"You could've made a deal", Trump blames Poland for starting WW2'

[Biffer]

And now Trump has called Zelensky a dictator - because he hasn't held an election due in 2024 due to the fact there's martial law due to the great big fucking war going on.

Fuck my old boots, how have we come to this. It's just so obviously stupid.

Clearly Putin wants Trump to help get a puppet in there, Trump just cannot be this craven.

So I assume you will be ok if Trump decides after 4 years to just stay in power. As Zelenskyy has done

Esp after hes lead the country into a maybe country destroying war

That's a stretch - the comparison between the US and Ukraine.

A better comparison might be that Mexico would have to invade and destroy much of Texas because, y'know it was historically part of Mexico. Mexico would have to have hugely superior firepower to the US and then the US would have to allow Russia and Mexico to negotiate a ceasefire which puts the existence of the future of the US in jeopardy because Mexico wants a puppet in the Whitehouse, one that is sympathetic to Mexico, whilst signing off Texas's mineral wealth to Russia.

edit, I've just seen a Newsthump thing that is better than what I wrote there - '"You could've made a deal", Trump blames Poland for starting WW2'

Or Britain invading the USA to reclaim the original thirteen colonies, because their secession and violent, religious fundamentalist revolution was illegal and took away what was internationally recognised as our sovereign territory.

And then we negotiate the USA’s surrender with China

[Firewater]

One of the new executive orders declares Trump or his AG as the arbiters of what is legal.

Meanwhile this is literarlly carved into the SCOTUS walls.


Now that's yet another thing that is likely going to be challenged and end up in front of the SCOTUS. Are his appointees and the bought and paid for conservative judges like Clarence Thomas craven enough to surrender their institutional authority by overruling that case and in favour of the executive order?

What new executive order. And just maybe you don't understand what the role of judges should be. As the Democrats appointed judges often don't.

[Firewater]

So I assume you will be ok if Trump decides after 4 years to just stay in power. As Zelenskyy has done

Esp after hes lead the country into a maybe country destroying war

That's a stretch - the comparison between the US and Ukraine.

A better comparison might be that Mexico would have to invade and destroy much of Texas because, y'know it was historically part of Mexico. Mexico would have to have hugely superior firepower to the US and then the US would have to allow Russia and Mexico to negotiate a ceasefire which puts the existence of the future of the US in jeopardy because Mexico wants a puppet in the Whitehouse, one that is sympathetic to Mexico, whilst signing off Texas's mineral wealth to Russia.

edit, I've just seen a Newsthump thing that is better than what I wrote there - '"You could've made a deal", Trump blames Poland for starting WW2'

Or Britain invading the USA to reclaim the original thirteen colonies, because their secession and violent, religious fundamentalist revolution was illegal and took away what was internationally recognised as our sovereign territory.

And then we negotiate the USA’s surrender with China

Other recent examples are

Israel
Romania
Germany

Maybe fairly recent. Yugoslavia

It seems to me that the ruling elite just makes rules up to suit now. And then instruct the establishment media to do their thing

So pro democracy and free speech until it doesn't suit. And pro holding a country together likewise

Ukraine is finished now. What's best for the people not the ruling elite though is a ceasefire then elections then a peace settlement. The EU want this war to continue so should be ignored

[TB63]

So. Basically you're saying Putin can invade who he likes, then declare a ceasefire and keep all the land he's grabbed? Feelings of the people who have been invaded to be swept under the carpet . .

[Hal Jordan]

Stop. Playing. Chess. With. The. Pigeon.

[Niegs]

I’ve just left the recording of Debate Night (Scotlands Question Time)in Edinburgh, was quite surprised at the number of Trump fans, particularly younger ones

I can almost see the support for Trump 1.0 as a potential disrupter to politics run by 'elites'. But it's clear now he's both a grifter and even if they don't believe that, he's a big crybaby who complains about everything.

How do future gens break global echo chambers thay have been so damaging?

... maybe that asteroid will do us a favour?

You have prompted me to rattle on about one of my theories of society. Well done.

The advent of the computer age and its growth into a fundamental part of society over the last forty years or so has changed the way we look at the world.

Prior to computers we lived in an analogue world, where everything was determined around how much something was one way or another. Everything was on some kind of spectrum, everything had subtlety, loads of things were complicated.

The digital age changed that. Through everyday experience and through education, and all the other influences of digital, we started to think about things as on or off, one or zero, yes or no, right or wrong. Everything had to fall into one camp or another, no middle ground, no shades of grey. That wormed its way into society, and politics. You’re one of us or one of them. If you’re one of us you think like this. If you think like that, you’re one of them.

We just have to hope society hangs together long enough that the advent of quantum tech has a similar effect.

Makes sense to me. It certainly seems like a LOT have a team they're loyal to with no love for the other side. Many of those intolerant to the views of the others - and I'd say it goes both ways. There are a LOT of anti-religious types in the largely UK-centred sports forums I visit. I tend to be a 'live and let live, so long as you're not being a cunt to others' type person.

I draw a hard line against the conservatives of the West, though, who are trying to drag everyone back into the early 1900s with their desires. More moderates who want to reel in spending, be less about foreign affairs and more about domestic - yeah, I get that too, but let's throw a bit of money at battling addiction/helping mental health, and let's leave the LGBT people to live as everyone else does.

I thought we'd move away from this once the angry, selfish Boomers kicked it, but am disappointed to hear that young people are picking up on their anti- vibes too? The world would be better off if chill Xennials were left to run things.

[Niegs]

A better comparison might be that Mexico would have to invade and destroy much of Texas because, y'know it was historically part of Mexico. Mexico would have to have hugely superior firepower to the US and then the US would have to allow Russia and Mexico to negotiate a ceasefire which puts the existence of the future of the US in jeopardy because Mexico wants a puppet in the Whitehouse, one that is sympathetic to Mexico, whilst signing off Texas's mineral wealth to Russia.

edit, I've just seen a Newsthump thing that is better than what I wrote there - '"You could've made a deal", Trump blames Poland for starting WW2'

Or Britain invading the USA to reclaim the original thirteen colonies, because their secession and violent, religious fundamentalist revolution was illegal and took away what was internationally recognised as our sovereign territory.

And then we negotiate the USA’s surrender with China

Someone needs to get those sabre-rattling dickheads on that Russian TV show to say they want Alaska back. See how much Trump wants to blow Putin then.

[Firewater]

So. Basically you're saying Putin can invade who he likes, then declare a ceasefire and keep all the land he's grabbed? Feelings of the people who have been invaded to be swept under the carpet . .

Depends on the peace settlement terms But essential is a ceasefire and then elections. Elections are a must to give the leaders legitimacy. Then the peace settlement terms can be fought out . Where hopefully the people will be considered. Not just the likes of BlackRock

[Firewater]

I can almost see the support for Trump 1.0 as a potential disrupter to politics run by 'elites'. But it's clear now he's both a grifter and even if they don't believe that, he's a big crybaby who complains about everything.

How do future gens break global echo chambers thay have been so damaging?

... maybe that asteroid will do us a favour?

You have prompted me to rattle on about one of my theories of society. Well done.

The advent of the computer age and its growth into a fundamental part of society over the last forty years or so has changed the way we look at the world.

Prior to computers we lived in an analogue world, where everything was determined around how much something was one way or another. Everything was on some kind of spectrum, everything had subtlety, loads of things were complicated.

The digital age changed that. Through everyday experience and through education, and all the other influences of digital, we started to think about things as on or off, one or zero, yes or no, right or wrong. Everything had to fall into one camp or another, no middle ground, no shades of grey. That wormed its way into society, and politics. You’re one of us or one of them. If you’re one of us you think like this. If you think like that, you’re one of them.

We just have to hope society hangs together long enough that the advent of quantum tech has a similar effect.

Makes sense to me. It certainly seems like a LOT have a team they're loyal to with no love for the other side. Many of those intolerant to the views of the others - and I'd say it goes both ways. There are a LOT of anti-religious types in the largely UK-centred sports forums I visit. I tend to be a 'live and let live, so long as you're not being a cunt to others' type person.

I draw a hard line against the conservatives of the West, though, who are trying to drag everyone back into the early 1900s with their desires. More moderates who want to reel in spending, be less about foreign affairs and more about domestic - yeah, I get that too, but let's throw a bit of money at battling addiction/helping mental health, and let's leave the LGBT people to live as everyone else does.

I thought we'd move away from this once the angry, selfish Boomers kicked it, but am disappointed to hear that young people are picking up on their anti- vibes too? The world would be better off if chill Xennials were left to run things.

Live and let live. Except for...

[geordie_6]

Stop. Playing. Chess. With. The. Pigeon.

He's more of a parrot, figured out how to saying "ruling elite" and boy does it get repeated...

[tabascoboy]

A better comparison might be that Mexico would have to invade and destroy much of Texas because, y'know it was historically part of Mexico. Mexico would have to have hugely superior firepower to the US and then the US would have to allow Russia and Mexico to negotiate a ceasefire which puts the existence of the future of the US in jeopardy because Mexico wants a puppet in the Whitehouse, one that is sympathetic to Mexico, whilst signing off Texas's mineral wealth to Russia.

edit, I've just seen a Newsthump thing that is better than what I wrote there - '"You could've made a deal", Trump blames Poland for starting WW2'

Or Britain invading the USA to reclaim the original thirteen colonies, because their secession and violent, religious fundamentalist revolution was illegal and took away what was internationally recognised as our sovereign territory.

And then we negotiate the USA’s surrender with China

Someone needs to get those sabre-rattling dickheads on that Russian TV show to say they want Alaska back. See how much Trump wants to blow Putin then.

They already did that a while ago, but we could do with it going viral now

[sockwithaticket]

Stop. Playing. Chess. With. The. Pigeon.

You'd get more sense out of a pigeon tbh. Like convoluted this Firewater chap just seems to be aggregating far right Twitter conspiracy posting as if he were a bot.

[bogbunny]

Stop. Playing. Chess. With. The. Pigeon.

You'd get more sense out of a pigeon tbh. Like convoluted this Firewater chap just seems to be aggregating far right Twitter conspiracy posting as if he were a bot.

Fire (piss) water is Elon and I claim my 50p.

[Simian]

What’s the compelling offer from the mainstream to them? They are particularly failed by a system that is falling apart at the seams

Yeah I'm not commenting on it being a good/bad thing I'm just saying it's a clear and growing trend. I agree they aren't being offered anything by mainstream parties... not really sure who is mind.

Socks point about them not knowing this behaviour is atypical is a good one. Had never thought of that.

I think there was (maybe still is?) a delusion on the centre left that a new generation entering the voter pool would guarantee them success, forgetting angry young men have throughout history acted in deeply unpredictable ways when marginalised and their living standards can’t be maintained.

Can’t see any meaningful change to their central conditions, and suspect we’re in for a very hairy time

How are young men marginalised? It speaks volumes that being placed on a more even footing with other groups than has historically been the case is cast as ‘being marginalised’.

[Paddington Bear]

Yeah I'm not commenting on it being a good/bad thing I'm just saying it's a clear and growing trend. I agree they aren't being offered anything by mainstream parties... not really sure who is mind.

Socks point about them not knowing this behaviour is atypical is a good one. Had never thought of that.

I think there was (maybe still is?) a delusion on the centre left that a new generation entering the voter pool would guarantee them success, forgetting angry young men have throughout history acted in deeply unpredictable ways when marginalised and their living standards can’t be maintained.

Can’t see any meaningful change to their central conditions, and suspect we’re in for a very hairy time

How are young men marginalised? It speaks volumes that being placed on a more even footing with other groups than has historically been the case is cast as ‘being marginalised’.

This has been discussed billions of times before on here and the exact total of zero people have changed their minds.

‘Placed on a more even footing’ generally means rectifying issues in prior generations by targeting a younger one, often clapped along with by the older generation as it happens. Debate the merits all you want (I’m not doing so again), it falls squarely into the ‘what did you expect to happen’ sphere when this group start to engage with no-centre left then non mainstream politics.

[Simian]

I think there was (maybe still is?) a delusion on the centre left that a new generation entering the voter pool would guarantee them success, forgetting angry young men have throughout history acted in deeply unpredictable ways when marginalised and their living standards can’t be maintained.

Can’t see any meaningful change to their central conditions, and suspect we’re in for a very hairy time

How are young men marginalised? It speaks volumes that being placed on a more even footing with other groups than has historically been the case is cast as ‘being marginalised’.

This has been discussed billions of times before on here and the exact total of zero people have changed their minds.

‘Placed on a more even footing’ generally means rectifying issues in prior generations by targeting a younger one, often clapped along with by the older generation as it happens. Debate the merits all you want (I’m not doing so again), it falls squarely into the ‘what did you expect to happen’ sphere when this group start to engage with no-centre left then non mainstream politics.

Exactly. Though I’d say it’s this weird rhetoric that they’re being marginalised (treated unfairly) that is precisely what the likes of trump are leveraging to get their support.

[Guy Smiley]

How are young men marginalised? It speaks volumes that being placed on a more even footing with other groups than has historically been the case is cast as ‘being marginalised’.

This has been discussed billions of times before on here and the exact total of zero people have changed their minds.

‘Placed on a more even footing’ generally means rectifying issues in prior generations by targeting a younger one, often clapped along with by the older generation as it happens. Debate the merits all you want (I’m not doing so again), it falls squarely into the ‘what did you expect to happen’ sphere when this group start to engage with no-centre left then non mainstream politics.

Exactly. Though I’d say it’s this weird rhetoric that they’re being marginalised (treated unfairly) that is precisely what the likes of trump are leveraging to get their support.

Chloe Swarbrick, co leader of the NZ Greens in parliament addressing the current rising protests stemming from attempts to undermine the country's founding document, the Treaty of Waitang by Right wing interests looking to undermine and sideline Maori...

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality can feel like oppression.

[robmatic]

I think there was (maybe still is?) a delusion on the centre left that a new generation entering the voter pool would guarantee them success, forgetting angry young men have throughout history acted in deeply unpredictable ways when marginalised and their living standards can’t be maintained.

Can’t see any meaningful change to their central conditions, and suspect we’re in for a very hairy time

How are young men marginalised? It speaks volumes that being placed on a more even footing with other groups than has historically been the case is cast as ‘being marginalised’.

This has been discussed billions of times before on here and the exact total of zero people have changed their minds.

‘Placed on a more even footing’ generally means rectifying issues in prior generations by targeting a younger one, often clapped along with by the older generation as it happens. Debate the merits all you want (I’m not doing so again), it falls squarely into the ‘what did you expect to happen’ sphere when this group start to engage with no-centre left then non mainstream politics.

Yeah, there is exactly zero chance of boomer dudes redistributing the results of their privilege.

[Simian]

This has been discussed billions of times before on here and the exact total of zero people have changed their minds.

‘Placed on a more even footing’ generally means rectifying issues in prior generations by targeting a younger one, often clapped along with by the older generation as it happens. Debate the merits all you want (I’m not doing so again), it falls squarely into the ‘what did you expect to happen’ sphere when this group start to engage with no-centre left then non mainstream politics.

Exactly. Though I’d say it’s this weird rhetoric that they’re being marginalised (treated unfairly) that is precisely what the likes of trump are leveraging to get their support.

Chloe Swarbrick, co leader of the NZ Greens in parliament addressing the current rising protests stemming from attempts to undermine the country's founding document, the Treaty of Waitang by Right wing interests looking to undermine and sideline Maori...

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality can feel like oppression.

Yup.

[Hugo]

The essential challenge with men is that we have a lot of behaviours that are primitive and anti social. So, you have to find healthy ways to channel those primitive instincts, basically you have to domesticate men otherwise they can default to factory settings - rape, murder, destruction.

You can see policy failures in addressing knife crime in London and the rape gangs of Yorkshire - boys have been given carte blanche to commit knife crime because stop and search is portrayed as racist and the rape gangs have not been properly addressed for reasons that are far beyond my understanding.

When stuff like this is not tackled aggressively then putting no nonsense strong men in power becomes an attractive proposition.

Edit - the problem boils down to liberals being unwilling to defend liberal values which renders them meaningless & irrelevant. People then look elsewhere for something to believe in because they see nothing in liberalism worth buying into.

[Biffer]

In 2024, the National Labour Relations Board Union filed a complaint against Tesla for interfering in a Union drive at their plant in Buffalo.

Today, the NLRB in buffalo was told they’re being evicted from their office in Buffalo, an office owned by the GSA (govt landlord effectively), on the recommendation of DOGE.

[Uncle fester]

Yeah I'm not commenting on it being a good/bad thing I'm just saying it's a clear and growing trend. I agree they aren't being offered anything by mainstream parties... not really sure who is mind.

Socks point about them not knowing this behaviour is atypical is a good one. Had never thought of that.

I think there was (maybe still is?) a delusion on the centre left that a new generation entering the voter pool would guarantee them success, forgetting angry young men have throughout history acted in deeply unpredictable ways when marginalised and their living standards can’t be maintained.

Can’t see any meaningful change to their central conditions, and suspect we’re in for a very hairy time

How are young men marginalised? It speaks volumes that being placed on a more even footing with other groups than has historically been the case is cast as ‘being marginalised’.

Not being able to afford to put a roof over their dependents heads would be a big one.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I think there was (maybe still is?) a delusion on the centre left that a new generation entering the voter pool would guarantee them success, forgetting angry young men have throughout history acted in deeply unpredictable ways when marginalised and their living standards can’t be maintained.

Can’t see any meaningful change to their central conditions, and suspect we’re in for a very hairy time

How are young men marginalised? It speaks volumes that being placed on a more even footing with other groups than has historically been the case is cast as ‘being marginalised’.

Not being able to afford to put a roof over their dependents heads would be a big one.

Do they stand apart as being marginalised in that

[Hal Jordan]

Meanwhile, Kash Patel is confirmed as FBI Director, so strap in for revenge prosecutions and carte blanche for all manner of corruption from on high.

Turtle Mitch McConnell also not running for reelection. An uncaring architect of the state America finds itself in and a true villain of several decades of American politics.

[Gumboot]

Meanwhile, Kash Patel is confirmed as FBI Director, so strap in for revenge prosecutions and carte blanche for all manner of corruption from on high.

Failed children's author now running the FBI.

So normal.



And yes, that is the author depicted as a wizard on the cover, standing behind King Donald.

So very very normal.

[Biffer]

San Diego female fire chief, who was previously targeted by Trump supporters as a DEI hire, found stabbed to death in her home.

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news ... unty-home/

[dpedin]

I see the Saudis price for hosting the US - Russia talks was for Trump to help resolve the PGA v LIV golf situation. Of course Trump has a skin in the game as his courses host three of the LIV events so this will mean more income for him. Hopefully the R&A hold out about letting Turnberry hosting the Open although there will be pressure on them to change their policy, however next 5 Open venues are already sorted.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/articles/c80yr91kn9jo