DuPont Injury

[Biffer]

Yeah, well O'Mahony is a dirty bastard. Not close to the line, not sometimes wrong side of the line, not reckless. Dirty.

This, dirty and deliberately trying to injure.

Can always rely on online discourse for a rational take.

O’Mahony is dirty. Not treading the line, out and out dirty.

[PornDog]

He's absolutely trying to take the man out of the play (as he should - I was very disappointed that Beirne? didn't take out Penaud for his wonder try two years ago). A little too close to borderline late and couldn't complain if it was a penalty, but that sort of thing is absolutely what all players should be doing.

You can argue the shoulder on hip is reckless (I wont disagree on that one either), but it certainly wasn't a deliberate attempt to injure him - that's just

POM's definitely a shit, and can certainly be reckless (his chicken wing era where he injured Hogg? and got sent off against Wales in particular), but he's not a Dylan Hartley or Callum Clarke type dirty player like some of you guys are making out. Comparison to Owen Farrell though is definitely fair.

[Biffer]

He's absolutely trying to take the man out of the play (as he should - I was very disappointed that Beirne? didn't take out Penaud for his wonder try two years ago). A little too close to borderline late and couldn't complain if it was a penalty, but that sort of thing is absolutely what all players should be doing.

You can argue the shoulder on hip is reckless (I wont disagree on that one either), but it certainly wasn't a deliberate attempt to injure him - that's just

POM's definitely a shit, and can certainly be reckless (his chicken wing era where he injured Hogg? and got sent off against Wales in particular), but he's not a Dylan Hartley or Callum Clarke type dirty player like some of you guys are making out. Comparison to Owen Farrell though is definitely fair.

He's massively reckless with other players safety and has injured people through deliberate fouls, like the Hogg one. Deliberate trip, put the player out of the six nations. That's dirty. No ifs or buts.

[PornDog]

Bielle-Biarrey wasn't injured!?

[Biffer]

Bielle-Biarrey wasn't injured!?

So he got lucky. Doesn't take away from O'Mahony being reckless with other people's safety. Good riddance to him, the international game doesn't need people like that.

[PornDog]

I think that's a perfectly fair attitude, I was just disagreeing with the notion that he deliberately set out to injure, which I think is nonsense!

Like I said, more Farrell than Hartley or Clarke.

[Biffer]

I think that's a perfectly fair attitude, I was just disagreeing with the notion that he deliberately set out to injure, which I think is nonsense!

Like I said, more Farrell than Hartley or Clarke.

This is the thing though, no one will address his recklessness with other players safety. All we hear from the Irish media is 'It's not deliberate!' as if that's the only thing that matters. The reckless approach is a deliberate approach by him, and it endangers other players, and other players get injured by his conscious choice to be reckless with their safety. That's reprehensible, and nearly as bad. It's still a deliberate choice on his part that ends up injuring people.

[PornDog]

I think that's a perfectly fair attitude, I was just disagreeing with the notion that he deliberately set out to injure, which I think is nonsense!

Like I said, more Farrell than Hartley or Clarke.

This is the thing though, no one will address his recklessness with other players safety. All we hear from the Irish media is 'It's not deliberate!' as if that's the only thing that matters. The reckless approach is a deliberate approach by him, and it endangers other players, and other players get injured by his conscious choice to be reckless with their safety. That's reprehensible, and nearly as bad. It's still a deliberate choice on his part that ends up injuring people.

Aside from the "Irish Media" jibe, which is a little too MAGA-like for me* (and we have that shite within Ireland too, the more challenged cousin botherers are constantly going on about the "Dublin Media"), I wholeheartedly agree with you.

The tackle and the ruck are entirely reckless and its wholly down to WR's inaction. Players have not adjusted their behaviour because there was no incentive to do so. Action often isn't taken on the field, and even when it is the punishment off the field are ludicrously soft, so the benefit of delivering a 'dominant' tackle or ruck action far outweighs the negatives - just so long as you take player safety out of the equation (which WR seem to be okay with). Now we have 20 min red cards to further soften the blow. I think it will result in an increase in the number of dangerous collissions.

They acted on gouging and tackling in the air, and now those issues are no longer in the game, so there is definitely an ability to act decisively. They just lack the will.


* I don't disagree that media are part of the problem, but its a question that has been framed by WR. And the 'Irish Media' certainly aren't the only ones acting within that framework. FWIW, there have also been plenty within the media who have not gone down that route.

[Marylandolorian]

Bielle-Biarrey wasn't injured!?*

So he got lucky. Doesn't take away from O'Mahony being reckless with other people's safety. Good riddance to him, the international game doesn't need people like that.

At 35 yo O’mahony is slower now, his aim was off, few years ago he would have hit the target (knee)

*…..

[Enzedder]

Is DuPont dead yet?

He coulda doid ya know.

[Marylandolorian]

Is DuPont dead yet?

He coulda doid ya know.

lol Enz, I remember all of you ABs fans crying when Carter got injured before the 2011 World Cup.

[Gumboot]

Is DuPont dead yet?

He coulda doid ya know.

lol Enz, I remember all of you ABs fans crying when Carter got injured before the 2011 World Cup.

Point of order: two-time RWC winner Daniel Carter hurt himself while training during the pool stage in 2011. Yes, there was copious weeping and wailing from the Cape to the Bluff, but he wasn't nobbled.

[Enzedder]

Is DuPont dead yet?

He coulda doid ya know.

lol Enz, I remember all of you ABs fans crying when Carter got injured before the 2011 World Cup.

Point of order: two-time RWC winner Daniel Carter hurt himself while training during the pool stage in 2011. Yes, there was copious weeping and wailing from the Cape to the Bluff, but he wasn't nobbled.

Sssshhh - it's legend you know.

Little did the unsuspecting foreign masses know that we had Lord Beaver waiting down at his whitebait stand. We were quietly celebrating.

[Tichtheid]

The BOD and 'he coulda doid" quip is the rugby injury equivalent of Godwin's Law

Now that it's got that far, I've heard it told (on The Silver Fern of all places) that Nick Evans was actually a bigger loss than Carter, due to the timing of it and who was available as back up.

Or something like that.

[Enzedder]

Cruden haters. I am OK with Nick Evans leaving if he didn't want to wait.

[Gumboot]

Cruden haters.

In hindsight, Cruden's injury in 2016 followed by his replacement Barrett's sparkling form at 10 was seminal to the decline of Shag's All Blacks.

Cruden breaks in '16 > Beauden owns 10 > Beauden's ABs stumble against the Lions line speed in 2017 > double playmaker fiasco featuring Beauden leads to 2019 SF failure...

[Torquemada 1420]

I think that's a perfectly fair attitude, I was just disagreeing with the notion that he deliberately set out to injure, which I think is nonsense!

I don't know where the line is between reckless endangerment or deliberately intending to injure but POM absolutely is the former. And if you play like that, you know the risk of injuring another player is always there so it's a moot point whether there is any moral difference.

You might argue that POM is worse because when players set out to injure deliberately, it's usually a one off whereas POM's style is permanent.

[Marylandolorian]

lol Enz, I remember all of you ABs fans crying when Carter got injured before the 2011 World Cup.

Point of order: two-time RWC winner Daniel Carter hurt himself while training during the pool stage in 2011. Yes, there was copious weeping and wailing from the Cape to the Bluff, but he wasn't nobbled.

Sssshhh - it's legend you know.

Little did the unsuspecting foreign masses know that we had Lord Beaver waiting down at his whitebait stand. We were quietly celebrating.

Yeah, you are right, he looks a bit like a beaver.

[Uncle fester]

I think that's a perfectly fair attitude, I was just disagreeing with the notion that he deliberately set out to injure, which I think is nonsense!

I don't know where the line is between reckless endangerment or deliberately intending to injure but POM absolutely is the former. And if you play like that, you know the risk of injuring another player is always there so it's a moot point whether there is any moral difference.

You might argue that POM is worse because when players set out to injure deliberately, it's usually a one off whereas POM's style is permanent.

Look Torq, it's a charge down/tackle hybrid that he knows has minimal chance of being penalised. I'd be annoyed if we were on the receiving end of it but if a player gets injured from the bump that BB got, they probably shouldn't be playing rugby at all.

[Torquemada 1420]

I think that's a perfectly fair attitude, I was just disagreeing with the notion that he deliberately set out to injure, which I think is nonsense!

I don't know where the line is between reckless endangerment or deliberately intending to injure but POM absolutely is the former. And if you play like that, you know the risk of injuring another player is always there so it's a moot point whether there is any moral difference.

You might argue that POM is worse because when players set out to injure deliberately, it's usually a one off whereas POM's style is permanent.

Look Torq, it's a charge down/tackle hybrid that he knows has minimal chance of being penalised. I'd be annoyed if we were on the receiving end of it but if a player gets injured from the bump that BB got, they probably shouldn't be playing rugby at all.

I don't think the discussion in regards POM is limited to just that aspect of his play. And, in regards Ire, I refer again to the likes of Campo and Shalk (although there are plenty others but no point quoting Fre voices on this thread) that widen that to Ire's breakdown play period: you push the limits of dangerous play well beyond any other sides.

[Uncle fester]

POM's "dirtyness" is way overstated. He's an annoying bollocks to play against and rubs the opposition up the wrong way but half the footage of him in these "dirtiest players Eva" videos is holding an opposition players jersey and saying mean things to them.

But you keep going Torq. It drives the Leinster lads absolutely insane to have POM described like the new Dylan Hartley.

[Biffer]

POM's "dirtyness" is way overstated. He's an annoying bollocks to play against and rubs the opposition up the wrong way but half the footage of him in these "dirtiest players Eva" videos is holding an opposition players jersey and saying mean things to them.

But you keep going Torq. It drives the Leinster lads absolutely insane to have POM described like the new Dylan Hartley.

Typical green glasses.

[PornDog]

POM's "dirtyness" is way overstated. He's an annoying bollocks to play against and rubs the opposition up the wrong way but half the footage of him in these "dirtiest players Eva" videos is holding an opposition players jersey and saying mean things to them.

But you keep going Torq. It drives the Leinster lads absolutely insane to have POM described like the new Dylan Hartley.

Typical green glasses.

He has a fine red pair as well tbf

[Enzedder]

Point of order: two-time RWC winner Daniel Carter hurt himself while training during the pool stage in 2011. Yes, there was copious weeping and wailing from the Cape to the Bluff, but he wasn't nobbled.

Sssshhh - it's legend you know.

Little did the unsuspecting foreign masses know that we had Lord Beaver waiting down at his whitebait stand. We were quietly celebrating.

Yeah, you are right, he looks a bit like a beaver.

He made 3 times more decisions than Wayne Barnes who froze like a little fawn in the headlights.

[Torquemada 1420]

After Antoine Dupont was forced off last week after a nasty collision at the breakdown, it was disappointing to see yet another breakdown incident result in an injury, this time to Italian lock Dino Lamb. Last time out the citing commissioner did not believe the actions of Andrew Porter and Tadhg Beirne were worthy of a red card or further sanction and that may well be the case again today. However, it’s an uncomfortable theme that these kinds of lower limb injuries are occurring in Irish Test matches.

It can’t just be a coincidence. World Rugby have implemented laws to protect the players and have outlawed the targeting of lower limbs but these are still sneaking through the cracks. None of these incidents have been of a malicious nature but questions have to be raised of the tactics and execution in the rucks.

[topofthemoon]

After Antoine Dupont was forced off last week after a nasty collision at the breakdown, it was disappointing to see yet another breakdown incident result in an injury, this time to Italian lock Dino Lamb. Last time out the citing commissioner did not believe the actions of Andrew Porter and Tadhg Beirne were worthy of a red card or further sanction and that may well be the case again today. However, it’s an uncomfortable theme that these kinds of lower limb injuries are occurring in Irish Test matches.

It can’t just be a coincidence. World Rugby have implemented laws to protect the players and have outlawed the targeting of lower limbs but these are still sneaking through the cracks. None of these incidents have been of a malicious nature but questions have to be raised of the tactics and execution in the rucks.

Unusual understanding of anatomy to consider a shoulder as 'lower limbs'.

[Tichtheid]

After Antoine Dupont was forced off last week after a nasty collision at the breakdown, it was disappointing to see yet another breakdown incident result in an injury, this time to Italian lock Dino Lamb. Last time out the citing commissioner did not believe the actions of Andrew Porter and Tadhg Beirne were worthy of a red card or further sanction and that may well be the case again today. However, it’s an uncomfortable theme that these kinds of lower limb injuries are occurring in Irish Test matches.

It can’t just be a coincidence. World Rugby have implemented laws to protect the players and have outlawed the targeting of lower limbs but these are still sneaking through the cracks. None of these incidents have been of a malicious nature but questions have to be raised of the tactics and execution in the rucks.

Unusual understanding of anatomy to consider a shoulder as 'lower limbs'.

Yeah the one yesterday reminded me of the injury Adam Jones sustained after being hit by Bakkies Botha. This was from first viewing, I still haven’t seen a replay.

[Tichtheid]

This could be on the 6N thread as much as here, but this sums up my feelings on the cop out that is the whole 20 minute red and review system.

In what version of the laws is a deliberate headbutt not a full red card?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/ ... a-reprieve