_Os_ wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:34 am
_Os_ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:42 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:58 am
Yes the 'Europe's not paying its way' rhetoric is particularly irksome
because the US engineered it this way.
European dependence and the US being the world's policeman has made their arms industry a lot of fucking money.
100%. None of the old European great powers were allowed to take unilateral military action in any meaningfully strategic way. That's what Suez was about.
The US decided the role for Europe was to be a buffer, German/European conscripts would fight WW3 against the Soviets and not Americans. After that threat disappeared and the US embarked on its ME forever wars, Europe's role was to take the refugee waves not America, it is again the buffer. You can bet if America was taking the refugee waves they would stop bombing the place as their first and only solution to anything that ever happens there.
The Wolfowitz Doctrine bluntly states they want to dominate every region of the globe, and they oppose any regional power reaching the level of the Soviet Union and being capable of challenging the US. The European security situation is the way it is because that's what the US wanted. If all the big European players start spending 5% on defence, that's the end of American control of Europe through NATO, they will not have to listen to the US if there's any disagreement.
The US will absolutely see Germany as an existential threat if: it's spending 5%+ on defence, integrated militarily with neighbouring states (already happening with the Netherlands), dominant in the European arms sector. That all basically automatically happens as a first order impact of German building up its military and arms sector, without the possible second and third order impacts: threshold nuclear weapon state, acting independently outside its region. Trump himself used to rant about Japan as a threat during the Cold War, not the Soviets but Japan, for daring to out compete US car manufacturers.
It sounds a lot like the US wants to retain their dominant position outside their own region, without paying for it. They actually do have to pay heavily for Ukraine though whilst Ukrainians pay with their lives, that was always the deal.
Even if I say so myself, this was a good post from back in January. Gets the US position right before all the madness we've seen. Definitely missed two aspects.
1. Christian right ideas have taken over the Republicans. It's not like Christianity in a place like South Africa, where nearly everyone is a practicing Christian or was brought up Christian, making it not particularly exciting. Nor is it like Christianity in the UK, where it's a minority pursuit no one is that excited by. In the US Christianity seems to exist in opposition to something else and has become political and weaponised. A lot of them see the world as Christianity v liberal democracy. If you follow what some of them are saying, they support Putin because they think Russia is defending Christianity and Europe is supporting Satan/liberal values. They believe all the Putin anti-LGBT stuff. Some of them are smart enough to realise how mad that would sound, so try to say it without saying it (Vance) others say it outright (MTG).
The nature of their opposition to Europe feels deeper than I realised. They seem to want to support Europe but only if it becomes more like the Deep South or Russia. There's an irrational quality. Which in reality means they're completely opposed to Europe.
2. Wolfowitz Doctrine doesn't look to be in play. Doesn't look like they have any interest in dominating every region. They claim they want to defeat China somehow, but are mostly interested in disengaging from Europe whilst lecturing Europeans about their internal liberal politics and how the US prefers they vote for far right fascists.
You first point is well made! When talk is about about the hard right wing religious mobs in the US most folk laugh and think of the happy clappies in big mega churches listening to nut job pastors and being brainwashed into handing over loads of dollars so their church can buy private jets and huge mansions for their 'owners'. This is part of it, these folk are the foot soldiers, the believers. However the reality is there is a hard core bunch of religious right wing zealots, funded by the big tech millionaires who are in it for the money and power, in charge of the White House and increasingly most arms of US Government. They are no different to Hezbollah or Hamas of this world, who believe only their god is the right one and are set on ridding their country/world of anyone that they see as non believers or a threat - in this case the woke, radical, commie, liberal, trans, non white left wing etc. Their agenda isnt all that different either - destruction of most arms of a liberal democracy, degradation of women's rights, destruction of universities, R&D and science in general, persecution of LGBTQ and trans communities, forced repatriation of anyone who doesn't look like them ie non-white, etc whilst centralizing power, control and money into a small cadre of an all powerful leader and ruling party. They are just as happy to bomb, kill and maim innocents as most other radical terrorist groups, or engage with others who will do it for them, in order to achieve what they want - they just do it with better tech and from 20,000 feet with 2,000lb bombs. The sooner folk waken up to the fact that the extremist zealots from the radical right wing white supremacist wing of the Republican Party have carried out a coup the better! They now run the US.
I keep saying it is going to get a lot worse ... and it does! Unfortunately it is going to get much worse folks, much worse.