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(I know you've got a 'who's in' thread going but I think this needs a glossy, fixture laden, picture rich hype heavy thread)


Rugby Australia report massive ticket sales and a decent financial windfall ahead of the tour...

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 5lkod.html
Rugby Australia chief executive Phil Waugh has shut down the prospect of star Wallabies being exiled for the British and Irish Lions series due to a decision to play overseas in 2026, emphasising the need to “put our best possible team onto the field” in July.

Waugh stressed victory against the Lions – and not future development – is the No.1 priority as he also welcomed the record level of interest in the blockbuster series with the release of a final allocation of tickets on Thursday due to take the overall tally past 500,000 tickets sold.


Rugby Australia is also set to confirm the Indigenous and Pasifika invitation game in Melbourne on the schedule, which will be predominantly made up of Australian players but could also see select invitees from the Fijian Drua and Moana Pasifika as well.

The huge interest in the nine-game Lions tour has not only generated record ticket sales in Australia – there were 380,000 tickets sold in the 2014 – but Rugby Australia is also ahead of forecast commercial revenues, too. Most games are close to sold out, but small batches of tickets are still up for grabs, after corporates and tour groups handed back tickets.

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“The demand for access to games is as high as anyone’s seen it within Rugby Australia,” Waugh said.

“The beautiful element of the Lions is that it only comes to Australia every 12 years, and so the scarcity of it is just an enormous event.
Record numbers of people will watch the British and Irish Lions in 2025.


“You then look at the performances of the Wallabies environment over the last six to 12 months, and the re-engagement in connection with the community, and so there’s a genuine connection with the Wallabies again.

“Then you’ve had a Lions supporter base that didn’t get the opportunity to travel to South Africa [in 2021 due to COVID], so it’s been eight years since they’ve had the opportunity to follow the Lions. So you get upwards of 50,000 supporters coming out from the British and Irish Lions, and couple that with the local expat community here in Australia.”

The British and Irish Lions have also reported record interest in the 2025 tour.

Under a profit share deal with the Lions, early forecasts had RA banking $100 million from the series, but it is now likely to be higher. The windfall will allow RA to pay down the $80 million debt facility taken in 2023 to stave off financial collapse, and along with a new broadcast deal in 2026 and another $100 million from hosting the 2027 Rugby World Cup, put Australian rugby back on solid financial footing.

“So it’s a pivotal moment on two fronts: the re-engagement in performance and the Wallaby brand, as well as a reset and a normalisation of our balance sheet,” Waugh said.

“It’s been very reassuring that rugby is healthy, rugby is strong, and there’s a really strong demand.”
“What we’ve tried to instil back into the jersey is just the pride; they’ve got a great opportunity to leave a legacy over this next period,” Waugh said.

The futures of several Wallabies starters remain unresolved, though, and Tom Wright, Jake Gordon, Noah Lolesio and Taniela Tupou all have interest from Japanese clubs. The prospect of one or more departing in 2026 has raised questions about whether they would be overlooked for the Walabies Test series against the Lions, however.

After deciding to “invest in the future” last year by not selecting players bound for overseas clubs or rugby league, Wallabies coach Joe Schmidt appeared to continue the policy in January when Langi Gleeson was cut from a Wallabies camp after signing for Montpellier. But Waugh said there was no official policy.

“Without [me] sort of sitting in selection meetings with Joe and [head of high performance] Pete [Horne] and others, we’ve got to win the Lions series … we’ve got to be as competitive as we can be in the Lions series,” he said. “That is the way that we view it, I guess, organisationally.
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Another tour filled with bang average irishers with little experience of winning when it matters.
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Looking forward to the Lions tour almost as much as this year's All Blacks tests.

Schmidt will have the Wallabies primed, and no doubt Farrell can get the best out of his motley crew. Hopefully we'll see plenty of entertaining footy... maybe even enough to help expunge memories of the 2021 horror show in SA.
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Gumboot wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:51 pm Looking forward to the Lions tour almost as much as this year's All Blacks tests.

Schmidt will have the Wallabies primed, and no doubt Farrell can get the best out of his motley crew. Hopefully we'll see plenty of entertaining footy... maybe even enough to help expunge memories of the 2021 horror show in SA.
The SMH article I linked to highlights the priority expressed by RA that they want to win the series with a view to reinvigorating the pride in the Australian jersey. They're also looking ahead to hosting the RWC. The ticket sales are through the roof, they're primed to reap a massive financial boost from the two events and I think the current management team within RA understand the opportunity in front of them and have the playing background to treasure that opportunity with potential to fold that back into their domestic game...


it bodes well for a feisty, spicy Lions' series. We could be seeing the rebirth of Wallaby rugby. I feel for the Bokke supporters of course, who must be starting to realise they're floundering around in a sort of international no man's land now with all the warmth and charm of the Kuiper Belt.
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Guy Smiley wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 8:09 pm
Gumboot wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:51 pm Looking forward to the Lions tour almost as much as this year's All Blacks tests.

Schmidt will have the Wallabies primed, and no doubt Farrell can get the best out of his motley crew. Hopefully we'll see plenty of entertaining footy... maybe even enough to help expunge memories of the 2021 horror show in SA.
The SMH article I linked to highlights the priority expressed by RA that they want to win the series with a view to reinvigorating the pride in the Australian jersey. They're also looking ahead to hosting the RWC.
Yes, this is a critical couple of years for Australian rugby. Hopefully both the Lions tour and the RWC inject some vitality into the Wallabies.
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Sounds as if the Lions coaching team will be an all Ireland affair
It's been leaked that Easterby and Fogarty confirmed as defence and scrum coach respectively
Official announcement on Wednesday.
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SaintK wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:35 pm Sounds as if the Lions coaching team will be an all Ireland affair
It's been leaked that Easterby and Fogarty confirmed as defence and scrum coach respectively
Official announcement on Wednesday.
Haven't most other coaches turned them down? I thought I heard Townsend had declined as attack coach
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Slick wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:38 pm
SaintK wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:35 pm Sounds as if the Lions coaching team will be an all Ireland affair
It's been leaked that Easterby and Fogarty confirmed as defence and scrum coach respectively
Official announcement on Wednesday.
Haven't most other coaches turned them down? I thought I heard Townsend had declined as attack coach
Goodman likely to be announced as attack coach. Though just read a "breaking news" story that Richard Wigglesworth may have been asked :shock:
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Must say that this whole thing is already doing my head in. Every time I look at social media there is some real vitriol being thrown at Finn, who is so obviously the best 10 around, that I hate to think what it's going to get like when there are actually some contentious calls. Even heard a new one today that is catching on, that club rugby is his level.

Maybe best to switch off and just watch the games
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Slick wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 5:02 pm Must say that this whole thing is already doing my head in. Every time I look at social media there is some real vitriol being thrown at Finn, who is so obviously the best 10 around, that I hate to think what it's going to get like when there are actually some contentious calls. Even heard a new one today that is catching on, that club rugby is his level.

Maybe best to switch off and just watch the games
Best just ignore it. I'm sure he does!!!!!
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Blair Murray for bolter.

Covers multiple positions. Exciting player who could shine if he played in a half-decent side, imho.
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Slick wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:38 pm
SaintK wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:35 pm Sounds as if the Lions coaching team will be an all Ireland affair
It's been leaked that Easterby and Fogarty confirmed as defence and scrum coach respectively
Official announcement on Wednesday.
Haven't most other coaches turned them down? I thought I heard Townsend had declined as attack coach
I can see why though. Contract up at the end of the year, is he better spending it playing 2nd fiddle in the Lions or finishing strong* with Scotland? Potentially extends his contract.


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Jock42 wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:39 pm
Slick wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:38 pm
SaintK wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:35 pm Sounds as if the Lions coaching team will be an all Ireland affair
It's been leaked that Easterby and Fogarty confirmed as defence and scrum coach respectively
Official announcement on Wednesday.
Haven't most other coaches turned them down? I thought I heard Townsend had declined as attack coach
I can see why though. Contract up at the end of the year, is he better spending it playing 2nd fiddle in the Lions or finishing strong* with Scotland? Potentially extends his contract.


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I think he just doesn’t see himself as anything but a head coach. Which I think is fair enough to be honest
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Anyone else struggle to get too excited?
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Nah I'm buzzing for it.
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Jock42 wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:16 pm Nah I'm buzzing for it.
Me too.

I'm very hot and cold on the Lions tbh so I can see where PB is coming from but the Wallabies test match series tend to deliver.

Even though it is the series with the least tradition behind it I think it's my favourite of the three.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:02 pm Anyone else struggle to get too excited?
I'd be more excited if it was an England tour.
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This neutral's well up for it.

Hopefully Farrell has enough sense not to select a surfeit of Irish geriatrics, or the Wallabies could run 'em ragged on their hard, fast tracks.
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Ovals wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:16 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:02 pm Anyone else struggle to get too excited?
I'd be more excited if it was an England tour.
Fuck yeah!! Imagine the tension and excitement... 15 players in white lined up across the field desperately trying to avoid playing the ball. The Aussie press would name them The Good Guys.

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Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:02 pm Anyone else struggle to get too excited?
I'm looking forward to it. Players clearly love it which adds to it too.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:02 pm Anyone else struggle to get too excited?
My excitement was destroyed some time ago by a large number of Welsh fans that were quite hideous to every English travelling fan.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:02 pm Anyone else struggle to get too excited?
I'll watch the tests, but not as excited about the lions as I used to be.
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Stranger wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:39 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:02 pm Anyone else struggle to get too excited?
I'll watch the tests, but not as excited about the lions as I used to be.
This, really
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Gumboot wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:28 pm Blair Murray for bolter.

Covers multiple positions. Exciting player who could shine if he played in a half-decent side, imho.
I kind of agreed, but reports from everywhere seem to say his defence is crap
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Slick wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:14 am
Gumboot wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:28 pm Blair Murray for bolter.

Covers multiple positions. Exciting player who could shine if he played in a half-decent side, imho.
I kind of agreed, but reports from everywhere seem to say his defence is crap
It is and there are a number of better, more experienced players that can do the same.
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SaintK wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:18 am
Slick wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:14 am
Gumboot wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:28 pm Blair Murray for bolter.

Covers multiple positions. Exciting player who could shine if he played in a half-decent side, imho.
I kind of agreed, but reports from everywhere seem to say his defence is crap
It is and there are a number of better, more experienced players that can do the same.
I honestly can't see how he would get in, except for a touch of tokenism. Murray is never playing anywhere bar the back 3 and there are so many players who can cover there. Kinghorn (back 3 and kicking option possibly a midweek 10 in emergency), Jones (13/back 3), Jordan (10/12/15), Freeman (13/back 3) and Daly (13 back 3) would all be ahead of him on utility value as they are better IMO. That isn't counting some of the Irish guys who could probably play a couple of positions easily.
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shaggy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 8:48 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:02 pm Anyone else struggle to get too excited?
My excitement was destroyed some time ago by a large number of Welsh fans that were quite hideous to every English travelling fan.
What happened?
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Ovals wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:16 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:02 pm Anyone else struggle to get too excited?
I'd be more excited if it was an England tour.
Likewise. Talking about who’s in the squad is good fun, I think I watched 20/30 mins of the last tour
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Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:13 pm
Ovals wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:16 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:02 pm Anyone else struggle to get too excited?
I'd be more excited if it was an England tour.
Likewise. Talking about who’s in the squad is good fun, I think I watched 20/30 mins of the last tour
It was diabolical to watch in fairness.
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Hugo wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:01 pm
shaggy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 8:48 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:02 pm Anyone else struggle to get too excited?
My excitement was destroyed some time ago by a large number of Welsh fans that were quite hideous to every English travelling fan.
What happened?
Never ending vitriol to English people, beer thrown at my wife and others who were not Welsh, some really unsavoury singing that was against English (assume these were from clubs?), a couple of drunken twats being overtly sexual to women, a couple of roughing up of fans (who were English) when by themselves. Full on ABE and nasty with it.

I paid a bloody fortune for the tour and to have it ruined by morons who were so anti-English really affected my love of the sport.
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shaggy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:43 pm
Hugo wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:01 pm
shaggy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 8:48 am

My excitement was destroyed some time ago by a large number of Welsh fans that were quite hideous to every English travelling fan.
What happened?
Never ending vitriol to English people, beer thrown at my wife and others who were not Welsh, some really unsavoury singing that was against English (assume these were from clubs?), a couple of drunken twats being overtly sexual to women, a couple of roughing up of fans (who were English) when by themselves. Full on ABE and nasty with it.

I paid a bloody fortune for the tour and to have it ruined by morons who were so anti-English really affected my love of the sport.
That is terrible, the national agendas on Lions tours is actually tedious in the extreme, never mind the hooliganism. That would kill anyone's interest in the Lions tbh. Which tour was it?
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Hugo wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:54 pm
shaggy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:43 pm
Hugo wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:01 pm

What happened?
Never ending vitriol to English people, beer thrown at my wife and others who were not Welsh, some really unsavoury singing that was against English (assume these were from clubs?), a couple of drunken twats being overtly sexual to women, a couple of roughing up of fans (who were English) when by themselves. Full on ABE and nasty with it.

I paid a bloody fortune for the tour and to have it ruined by morons who were so anti-English really affected my love of the sport.
That is terrible, the national agendas on Lions tours is actually tedious in the extreme, never mind the hooliganism. That would kill anyone's interest in the Lions tbh. Which tour was it?
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Hugo wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:54 pm
shaggy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:43 pm
Hugo wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:01 pm

What happened?
Never ending vitriol to English people, beer thrown at my wife and others who were not Welsh, some really unsavoury singing that was against English (assume these were from clubs?), a couple of drunken twats being overtly sexual to women, a couple of roughing up of fans (who were English) when by themselves. Full on ABE and nasty with it.

I paid a bloody fortune for the tour and to have it ruined by morons who were so anti-English really affected my love of the sport.
That is terrible, the national agendas on Lions tours is actually tedious in the extreme, never mind the hooliganism. That would kill anyone's interest in the Lions tbh. Which tour was it?
The national bit really seems to get worse every tour
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shaggy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:43 pm
Hugo wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:01 pm
shaggy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 8:48 am

My excitement was destroyed some time ago by a large number of Welsh fans that were quite hideous to every English travelling fan.
What happened?
Never ending vitriol to English people, beer thrown at my wife and others who were not Welsh, some really unsavoury singing that was against English (assume these were from clubs?), a couple of drunken twats being overtly sexual to women, a couple of roughing up of fans (who were English) when by themselves. Full on ABE and nasty with it.

I paid a bloody fortune for the tour and to have it ruined by morons who were so anti-English really affected my love of the sport.
Just sounds like how the Barmy Army conducts themselves on every tour of Australia.

Disgraceful pond scum.....
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Deepsouth wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:33 pm
shaggy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:43 pm
Hugo wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:01 pm

What happened?
Never ending vitriol to English people, beer thrown at my wife and others who were not Welsh, some really unsavoury singing that was against English (assume these were from clubs?), a couple of drunken twats being overtly sexual to women, a couple of roughing up of fans (who were English) when by themselves. Full on ABE and nasty with it.

I paid a bloody fortune for the tour and to have it ruined by morons who were so anti-English really affected my love of the sport.
Just sounds like how the Barmy Army conducts themselves on every tour of Australia.

Disgraceful pond scum.....
To the contrary, the Barmy Army are pretty much the opposite of ‘anyone but England’, supporting England is quite a big and I think reasonably obvious part of their brand
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Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:37 pm
Deepsouth wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:33 pm
shaggy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:43 pm

Never ending vitriol to English people, beer thrown at my wife and others who were not Welsh, some really unsavoury singing that was against English (assume these were from clubs?), a couple of drunken twats being overtly sexual to women, a couple of roughing up of fans (who were English) when by themselves. Full on ABE and nasty with it.

I paid a bloody fortune for the tour and to have it ruined by morons who were so anti-English really affected my love of the sport.
Just sounds like how the Barmy Army conducts themselves on every tour of Australia.

Disgraceful pond scum.....
To the contrary, the Barmy Army are pretty much the opposite of ‘anyone but England’, supporting England is quite a big and I think reasonably obvious part of their brand
Not to the denigration of others mate.

All the do is sing denigrating songs about the Australians all day. No matter the state of play.

It is both tedious and moronic.
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Totally different to chanting "Hadlee's a wanker!" all day, then?
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Thrilled for John Dalziel. Done the coaching hard yards Melrose > U20s > London Scottish > 7s > Glasgow > national side > Lions. Brilliant.

A touch of the old school about that path.

The last Melrose affiliated Lions coach did a good job, hopefully JD will do the same.
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Big D wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 10:47 am Thrilled for John Dalziel. Done the coaching hard yards Melrose > U20s > London Scottish > 7s > Glasgow > national side > Lions. Brilliant.

A touch of the old school about that path.

The last Melrose affiliated Lions coach did a good job, hopefully JD will do the same.
Will be interesting to see how they cut and slice the responsibilities
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SaintK wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:18 am
Slick wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:14 am
Gumboot wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:28 pm Blair Murray for bolter.

Covers multiple positions. Exciting player who could shine if he played in a half-decent side, imho.
I kind of agreed, but reports from everywhere seem to say his defence is crap
It is and there are a number of better, more experienced players that can do the same.
Yeah, in the England game he tackled someone about six metres out, both arms around the waist. England back just kept going like he wasn’t there and dragged Murray over the line for the try.

He’s not even a bump in the road.
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