President Trump and US politics catchall

[_Os_]

It's remarkable that after every anti-Europe/UK outburst from the US, a few days later the entire UK political spectrum has said the same things. From those left of Labour (Novara and friends) to those right of Reform (a rabble of social media accounts and minnow parties), there's agreement that the "special relationship" is becoming a risky proposition and more spending on the military is needed. Even the odd pro-EU noise from Brexiter types. Wild to hear all this lot saying the exact same thing using different language and to different degrees of intensity: far right fascists, LBC liberals, Marxists left of Corbyn, Starmer and the UK government.

The response from the US is incoherent. They seem to have settled on saying two things which cannot both be true, sometimes they're said in the same breath. Ordinary Yanks in the social media peanut gallery and big peanuts in the Trump administration are both saying:

1. Europe/UK are freeloaders and must pay more for defence. The US is not as powerful as it was and is in debt, Europe is wealthy and should have a large military to defend itself and act in other regions too. They must be forced to buy more US arms and subsidise US power, this will be done by punishing their exports to the US with tariffs.

2. Europe/UK is a shithole and its best days are in the past (migrants/crimes/Muslims/people who aren't white, etc etc), it cannot spend more on defence. They are dependant on the US which is a very powerful nation and has the world reserve currency, the US can print as much money as they like and the poor Europeans/UK cannot, this is very funny. Europe/UK have no choice but to do as they're told by the US whilst being ignored by the US, this is also very funny. Europe/UK is a vassal of the US and has no option but to remain so.

... This is Brexit level "we're going to have our cake and eat it too! We're not paying for shit but we'll get all the benefits!". After they've turned Europe/UK into an enemy and all the first/second/third order impacts have landed, US power will be cut off at the knees, likely never to return as it all depends on the position in Europe that WW2 gifted them.

[dpedin]

My Turkish perspective on this is that those qualms and misgivings about authoritarianism and risks to personal liberty don't last as long as you think. People overlook a lot for their sun and shopping.

I think you haven't grasped just how betrayed, in particular, the Canucks feel over all of this !

All they need to do is swap Florida for Mexico, or the Caribbean, or Cube etc, etc, & the tour operators will stop selling holidays to Florida, & then businesses in Florida start laying people off, because n% of their expected footfall is now gone, & won't be back for four years, if ever, because once you get used to going on holiday to a new place, it'll take a significant incentive to switch back !

There are businesses that acted like scumbags during the early days of Covid, that I still haven't revisited; because I'm Irish, & I can hold a grudge for a bloody long time !

Enjoyed that last sentence

I know for a fact from someone who works in the industry that they have seen 80%+ reduction in Canada to US trips for 2025 and are already cancelling contracts for accommodation in the likes of Florida etc. Also big falls from other countries ie EU etc. The US tourist industry will collapse pretty quickly this year as many are run on fairly slim margins and are reliant on a disappearing migrant workforce.

Florida is already considering relaxing laws on child labour ... yes you heard that right ... more child labour to fill gaps in migrant workforce supply! Luckily there aren't many big chimney stacks in the USA!!!

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/25/busi ... index.html

[Yeeb]

It's remarkable that after every anti-Europe/UK outburst from the US, a few days later the entire UK political spectrum has said the same things. From those left of Labour (Novara and friends) to those right of Reform (a rabble of social media accounts and minnow parties), there's agreement that the "special relationship" is becoming a risky proposition and more spending on the military is needed. Even the odd pro-EU noise from Brexiter types. Wild to hear all this lot saying the exact same thing using different language and to different degrees of intensity: far right fascists, LBC liberals, Marxists left of Corbyn, Starmer and the UK government.

The response from the US is incoherent. They seem to have settled on saying two things which cannot both be true, sometimes they're said in the same breath. Ordinary Yanks in the social media peanut gallery and big peanuts in the Trump administration are both saying:

1. Europe/UK are freeloaders and must pay more for defence. The US is not as powerful as it was and is in debt, Europe is wealthy and should have a large military to defend itself and act in other regions too. They must be forced to buy more US arms and subsidise US power, this will be done by punishing their exports to the US with tariffs.

2. Europe/UK is a shithole and its best days are in the past (migrants/crimes/Muslims/people who aren't white, etc etc), it cannot spend more on defence. They are dependant on the US which is a very powerful nation and has the world reserve currency, the US can print as much money as they like and the poor Europeans/UK cannot, this is very funny. Europe/UK have no choice but to do as they're told by the US whilst being ignored by the US, this is also very funny. Europe/UK is a vassal of the US and has no option but to remain so.

... This is Brexit level "we're going to have our cake and eat it too! We're not paying for shit but we'll get all the benefits!". After they've turned Europe/UK into an enemy and all the first/second/third order impacts have landed, US power will be cut off at the knees, likely never to return as it all depends on the position in Europe that WW2 gifted them.

With some notable exceptions like Poland and Greece , point 1 is true re paying for defence and lots haven’t paid for their fair share of nato (direct) or avoided it by the umbrella of defence since ww2 (Ireland, Austria).
Uk has skipped to about 6th as a % of nato on defence spending but historically has been one of the better spending countries , even if a large percentage of that has been propping up the US industrial arms complex and canning our own products like TSR2

[_Os_]

It's remarkable that after every anti-Europe/UK outburst from the US, a few days later the entire UK political spectrum has said the same things. From those left of Labour (Novara and friends) to those right of Reform (a rabble of social media accounts and minnow parties), there's agreement that the "special relationship" is becoming a risky proposition and more spending on the military is needed. Even the odd pro-EU noise from Brexiter types. Wild to hear all this lot saying the exact same thing using different language and to different degrees of intensity: far right fascists, LBC liberals, Marxists left of Corbyn, Starmer and the UK government.

The response from the US is incoherent. They seem to have settled on saying two things which cannot both be true, sometimes they're said in the same breath. Ordinary Yanks in the social media peanut gallery and big peanuts in the Trump administration are both saying:

1. Europe/UK are freeloaders and must pay more for defence. The US is not as powerful as it was and is in debt, Europe is wealthy and should have a large military to defend itself and act in other regions too. They must be forced to buy more US arms and subsidise US power, this will be done by punishing their exports to the US with tariffs.

2. Europe/UK is a shithole and its best days are in the past (migrants/crimes/Muslims/people who aren't white, etc etc), it cannot spend more on defence. They are dependant on the US which is a very powerful nation and has the world reserve currency, the US can print as much money as they like and the poor Europeans/UK cannot, this is very funny. Europe/UK have no choice but to do as they're told by the US whilst being ignored by the US, this is also very funny. Europe/UK is a vassal of the US and has no option but to remain so.

... This is Brexit level "we're going to have our cake and eat it too! We're not paying for shit but we'll get all the benefits!". After they've turned Europe/UK into an enemy and all the first/second/third order impacts have landed, US power will be cut off at the knees, likely never to return as it all depends on the position in Europe that WW2 gifted them.

With some notable exceptions like Poland and Greece , point 1 is true re paying for defence and lots haven’t paid for their fair share of nato (direct) or avoided it by the umbrella of defence since ww2 (Ireland, Austria).
Uk has skipped to about 6th as a % of nato on defence spending but historically has been one of the better spending countries , even if a large percentage of that has been propping up the US industrial arms complex and canning our own products like TSR2

That argument depends on the US actually being interested in defending Europe, which they are not. What the US has done is write European security policy, this gave the US a lot of power and control over Europe. Because of Europe's geographic position this also gives the US a lot of leverage in MENA, because of Europe's historic legacy/culture/economic ties it also gives them leverage in many former European colonies. As just one example, could the US support Israel without Europe (no European bases, no European overfly rights, no secure way to use the Med without European permission)?

The US didn't get something for nothing, it had to pay. That means committing to European defence which is expensive, that means committing to Europe economically which may be costly in some areas too. It doesn't mean "fuck you when you actually needed us we're going walk out on the deal and maybe even support Russia instead and by the way here's the tariffs".

Not the biggest Zeihan fan (entertaining, but misses big parts of the picture), he's right on this though and if anything underselling it. No US security guarantee means nuclear weapon proliferation and that means a proliferation chain deeper than the one he outlines in the video (hard to imagine Turkey/Sweden/Finland/Spain/Switzerland all just sitting around doing nothing if everyone around them is armed, it ends up being more or less the top 30 economies). And after that happens US power outside their region goes to near zero. For the US it's not about defending Europe, it's about extending US power outside their region by preventing that chain happening.

[Yeeb]

Am not disagreeing with anything you’ve written there , but just about the only sane factual thing Trump has said in last ten years has been that certain Euro / nato countries (I’m not sure he knows or cares the difference) have been total sponges and paid next to bugger all as % of their gdp for their defence . From memory the 2% thing has only been a guideline at best and only in place for last decade, and was discussed for decades before that whilst Herman & Pedro let Pierre, Peter and Piotr pick up the tab (Padraig had already snuck into the party without paying entry fee of course because he’s a bludger)

[_Os_]

Am not disagreeing with anything you’ve written there , but just about the only sane factual thing Trump has said in last ten years has been that certain Euro / nato countries (I’m not sure he knows or cares the difference) have been total sponges and paid next to bugger all as % of their gdp for their defence . From memory the 2% thing has only been a guideline at best and only in place for last decade, and was discussed for decades before that whilst Herman & Pedro let Pierre, Peter and Piotr pick up the tab (Padraig had already snuck into the party without paying entry fee of course because he’s a bludger)

It's a bogus argument, because the deterrent isn't Lithuania spending 5% of its GDP on defence or Portugal spending 1% or 3% or Ireland spending 0% or 10%. The deterrence is that if Russia rolls tanks over the border the US will nuke Russia until they withdraw or are exterminated. The deterrent is that enough nukes will go into Russia that Russians as an ethnicity/culture/language go extinct.

The idea the US would do this isn't at all credible now. The Poles or Finns would 100% do it if they had the capability and were facing a Ukraine situation, and the Russians would know they would do it too so they wouldn't touch them.

Why was the US more willing in the past. Because what they were buying from Europe post-WW2 when the continent was destroyed or heavily damaged and the Soviets had a huge military all the way inside Germany's borders, wasn't a defence of Europe given for free. It was really a security guarantee in exchange for taking all Europe's global power and even power within Europe.

What the US are now doing is going into a shop named "Europe", loading up an item called "global power and hegemony" into the trolley (the entire contents of the shop), then rocking up at the counter and telling Herman/Pedro/Pierre/Peter/Piotr/Padraig they're walking out with that for free.

[Sandstorm]

Vance’s Greenland trip is a disaster, he’s hiding in the North on an airbase 100s of miles from anywhere. No one wants to meet him.

[Uncle fester]

Here's the thing, if the yanks were a little more subtle, they'd get a lot of what they are looking for.

Such as discreetly expanding the base they already have in Greenland.

[Tichtheid]

Here's the thing, if the yanks were a little more subtle, they'd get a lot of what they are looking for.

Such as discreetly expanding the base they already have in Greenland.

They are the loud, boorish uncle that everyone avoids at Christmas - terrible opinions, using language from the 50s, ogling the young women, eating all the food and expecting petrol money for coming

[Gumboot]

King Donald has only ever had "friends" in a purely self-serving, transactional sense, and it's always worked out great, right? To him, it follows that taking the same approach to international relations can only lead to America winning bigly. And when things inevitably go badly and once loyal allies shun their unreliable, boorish "benefactor", it must be someone else's fault. And so then, they "will have to pay". Rinse and repeat. It's the most basic MO of every narcissist.

[Slick]

King Donald has only ever had "friends" in a purely self-serving, transactional sense, and it's always worked out great, right? To him, it follows that taking the same approach to international relations can only lead to America winning bigly. And when things inevitably go badly and once loyal allies shun their unreliable, boorish "benefactor", it must be someone else's fault. And so then, they "will have to pay". Rinse and repeat. It's the most basic MO of every narcissist.

I’d like to think that they are beginning to realise that their new order tactics are not going to work

[Sandstorm]

King Donald has only ever had "friends" in a purely self-serving, transactional sense, and it's always worked out great, right? To him, it follows that taking the same approach to international relations can only lead to America winning bigly. And when things inevitably go badly and once loyal allies shun their unreliable, boorish "benefactor", it must be someone else's fault. And so then, they "will have to pay". Rinse and repeat. It's the most basic MO of every narcissist.

I’d like to think that they are beginning to realise that their new order tactics are not going to work

Not until they lose seats in the next midterms.

[Slick]

King Donald has only ever had "friends" in a purely self-serving, transactional sense, and it's always worked out great, right? To him, it follows that taking the same approach to international relations can only lead to America winning bigly. And when things inevitably go badly and once loyal allies shun their unreliable, boorish "benefactor", it must be someone else's fault. And so then, they "will have to pay". Rinse and repeat. It's the most basic MO of every narcissist.

I’d like to think that they are beginning to realise that their new order tactics are not going to work

Not until they lose seats in the next midterms.

Are most of their supporters even going to notice the foreign affairs. The economy tanking might sharpen a few minds though

[Sandstorm]

..

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Here's the thing, if the yanks were a little more subtle, they'd get a lot of what they are looking for.

Such as discreetly expanding the base they already have in Greenland.

One could well observe the agreement in place between the USA and Denmark already allows Team Retard to increase their military presence in Greenland. The thing here isn't about security, it's the mining rights in Greenland and the Arctic

[Sandstorm]

Here's the thing, if the yanks were a little more subtle, they'd get a lot of what they are looking for.

Such as discreetly expanding the base they already have in Greenland.

One could well observe the agreement in place between the USA and Denmark already allows Team Retard to increase their military presence in Greenland. The thing here isn't about security, it's the mining rights in Greenland and the Arctic

No, it’s about security. Trump said so.

[Gumboot]

Here's the thing, if the yanks were a little more subtle, they'd get a lot of what they are looking for.

Such as discreetly expanding the base they already have in Greenland.

One could well observe the agreement in place between the USA and Denmark already allows Team Retard to increase their military presence in Greenland. The thing here isn't about security, it's the mining rights in Greenland and the Arctic

No, it’s about security. Trump said so.

Yep, those ungrateful Greenlanders simply don't understand that handing The King all their natural resources is the best possible guarantee of their security.

[lemonhead]

King Donald has only ever had "friends" in a purely self-serving, transactional sense, and it's always worked out great, right? To him, it follows that taking the same approach to international relations can only lead to America winning bigly. And when things inevitably go badly and once loyal allies shun their unreliable, boorish "benefactor", it must be someone else's fault. And so then, they "will have to pay". Rinse and repeat. It's the most basic MO of every narcissist.

Nearly always fascinated by the tough guy bully boy posture and the incessant whine of grievance and unfairness in the same breath.

They never grow up, do they. Just stay trapped in this infantile regression forever.

[Kiwias]

One could well observe the agreement in place between the USA and Denmark already allows Team Retard to increase their military presence in Greenland. The thing here isn't about security, it's the mining rights in Greenland and the Arctic

No, it’s about security. Trump said so.

Yep, those ungrateful Greenlanders simply don't understand that handing The King all their natural resources is the best possible guarantee of their security.

Almost as if they have been talking to Zelenskyy.

[geordie_6]

King Donald has only ever had "friends" in a purely self-serving, transactional sense, and it's always worked out great, right? To him, it follows that taking the same approach to international relations can only lead to America winning bigly. And when things inevitably go badly and once loyal allies shun their unreliable, boorish "benefactor", it must be someone else's fault. And so then, they "will have to pay". Rinse and repeat. It's the most basic MO of every narcissist.

I’d like to think that they are beginning to realise that their new order tactics are not going to work

Not until they lose seats in the next midterms.

Even then, I'm not sure he has it in him to change course or even tone things down. He'll probably double down on this shit.

[Uncle fester]

Utah has banned fluoride in drinking water.

[dpedin]

Utah has banned fluoride in drinking water.

Of course they have ... FFS!!!!!!!

[tabascoboy]

But tariffs are working!

[Slick]

But tariffs are working!

MAGA!

[fishfoodie]

I’d like to think that they are beginning to realise that their new order tactics are not going to work

Not until they lose seats in the next midterms.

Even then, I'm not sure he has it in him to change course or even tone things down. He'll probably double down on this shit.

Or just go with the tried & true GOP classic & start a war ?

... with Iran obviously, as that'll bring the rapture that much closer when Iran & Israel swap WMDs

[geordie_6]

Not until they lose seats in the next midterms.

Even then, I'm not sure he has it in him to change course or even tone things down. He'll probably double down on this shit.

Or just go with the tried & true GOP classic & start a war ?

... with Iran obviously, as that'll bring the rapture that much closer when Iran & Israel swap WMDs

Well, at least they have a plan B...?

[Insane_Homer]

Just had to have a chat with the kids about safety on the internet. Having to reiterate the importance of not accepting unsolicited group chat invites from national security advisors.

[laurent]

French companies have received threats from US embassies if they don't implement racist/discriminating policies...

Scum don't know that the french were never an apartheid state ... although we are going there. :(

[fishfoodie]

French companies have received threats from US embassies if they don't implement racist/discriminating policies...

Scum don't know that the french were never an apartheid state ... although we are going there. :(

Trinity College has told staff not to respond to requests for information from the US Government.

They're basically telling the rest of the World that if they aren't as racist & hate filled as them, then they're cutting all connections.

[bok_viking]

It is quite scary how similar a lot of the current actions of the USA is to the actions of the Nazi party pre-WW2. talking about countries that would be better off if they joined the fold, using excuses of protection/security for why there is a need to take/invade, etc. How people will be better off if they are the ones in control... the list goes on and on.

If any other country outside of the G7/EU said or did anything than what the USA is currently doing, they would have been labeled "evil", "enemy of world peace", etc. and would have been sanctioned to death by now. Yet currently the G7 and EU act like they might be a little irritated and talk about how unhappy they are but the response to the USA has been so bad that I think it has empowered Trump and Vance to go full steam ahead as there are no repercussions for their actions, just words.

China has been bullied/"punished" and painted as the enemy of the world for all kinds of reasons, yet they have not done anything close to what the USA have done over the last few decades. Russia rightly got punished for their invasion of Ukraine, yet the USA gets away time and time again for doing the same crap because Europe and the G7 allows them too. Actually the USA have invaded more countries since WW2 than China did in 5000 years

How long before we get another fabricated report from USA "intelligence" (like with the Iraq wars) that some country is a major threat to World Peace and gets invaded. Trump and Vance already said that Greenland has to be taken at any cost. If the USA somehow annex Greenland for example, will the EU and G7 treat them the same as they do Russia?
The whole idea that the USA are the good guys of this world is so flawed, they are rather the wolf in sheep's clothing, only difference now is that trump is doing it openly whereas previous administrations have been very good at hiding under the Sheep skin acting like they care about the world.

[fishfoodie]

On the whole, I'm not sure if being returned to the US isn't just going to swap being repressed by one group of religious nutjobs, for a different group of religious nutjobs. The American Taliban

Taliban releases detained US citizen Faye Hall

An American citizen, who was held by the Taliban in Afghanistan for two months, has been released, Washington's former envoy to Kabul has said.

Faye Hall will "soon be heading home" after she was arrested by the Taliban in February, Zalmay Khalilzad, who served as the US special representative for Afghanistan from 2018-2021, wrote on X.

Ms Hall, who is now in the care of Qatari officials, was detained alongside a British couple in their seventies - Barbie and Peter Reynolds - and their interpreter.

The couple ran training programmes for women and girls, and stayed when the Taliban retook control of Afghanistan in 2021. Afghan officials have not made the reason for their arrest public
....

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c934pp6w3v6o

[lemonhead]

It is quite scary how similar a lot of the current actions of the USA is to the actions of the Nazi party pre-WW2. talking about countries that would be better off if they joined the fold, using excuses of protection/security for why there is a need to take/invade, etc. How people will be better off if they are the ones in control... the list goes on and on.

If any other country outside of the G7/EU said or did anything than what the USA is currently doing, they would have been labeled "evil", "enemy of world peace", etc. and would have been sanctioned to death by now. Yet currently the G7 and EU act like they might be a little irritated and talk about how unhappy they are but the response to the USA has been so bad that I think it has empowered Trump and Vance to go full steam ahead as there are no repercussions for their actions, just words.

China has been bullied/"punished" and painted as the enemy of the world for all kinds of reasons, yet they have not done anything close to what the USA have done over the last few decades. Russia rightly got punished for their invasion of Ukraine, yet the USA gets away time and time again for doing the same crap because Europe and the G7 allows them too. Actually the USA have invaded more countries since WW2 than China did in 5000 years

How long before we get another fabricated report from USA "intelligence" (like with the Iraq wars) that some country is a major threat to World Peace and gets invaded. Trump and Vance already said that Greenland has to be taken at any cost. If the USA somehow annex Greenland for example, will the EU and G7 treat them the same as they do Russia?
The whole idea that the USA are the good guys of this world is so flawed, they are rather the wolf in sheep's clothing, only difference now is that trump is doing it openly whereas previous administrations have been very good at hiding under the Sheep skin acting like they care about the world.

China very wisely keeping schtum and watching them fall flat on their arse so far.

Not to say there won't be a reckoning either way but if this is some sort of grand pivot by the US to the Pacific theatre it's not been an impressive one.

What bets Taiwan as the Cuban missile crisis of our time with Trump fearlessly trying to run the blockade....I mean, it's not exactly sounding worthy of a Netflix miniseries is it.

[fishfoodie]

It is quite scary how similar a lot of the current actions of the USA is to the actions of the Nazi party pre-WW2. talking about countries that would be better off if they joined the fold, using excuses of protection/security for why there is a need to take/invade, etc. How people will be better off if they are the ones in control... the list goes on and on.

If any other country outside of the G7/EU said or did anything than what the USA is currently doing, they would have been labeled "evil", "enemy of world peace", etc. and would have been sanctioned to death by now. Yet currently the G7 and EU act like they might be a little irritated and talk about how unhappy they are but the response to the USA has been so bad that I think it has empowered Trump and Vance to go full steam ahead as there are no repercussions for their actions, just words.

China has been bullied/"punished" and painted as the enemy of the world for all kinds of reasons, yet they have not done anything close to what the USA have done over the last few decades. Russia rightly got punished for their invasion of Ukraine, yet the USA gets away time and time again for doing the same crap because Europe and the G7 allows them too. Actually the USA have invaded more countries since WW2 than China did in 5000 years

How long before we get another fabricated report from USA "intelligence" (like with the Iraq wars) that some country is a major threat to World Peace and gets invaded. Trump and Vance already said that Greenland has to be taken at any cost. If the USA somehow annex Greenland for example, will the EU and G7 treat them the same as they do Russia?
The whole idea that the USA are the good guys of this world is so flawed, they are rather the wolf in sheep's clothing, only difference now is that trump is doing it openly whereas previous administrations have been very good at hiding under the Sheep skin acting like they care about the world.

China very wisely keeping schtum and watching them fall flat on their arse so far.

Not to say there won't be a reckoning either way but if this is some sort of grand pivot by the US to the Pacific theatre it's not been an impressive one.

What bets Taiwan as the Cuban missile crisis of our time with Trump fearlessly trying to run the blockade....I mean, it's not exactly sounding worthy of a Netflix miniseries is it.

And by the same measure, Taiwan would do well to be very vocal about how any invasion would utterly fuck the entire US economy as money is the only thing that the Tango Traitor & his tech bro enablers care about !!!

If TSMC gets shutdown for 3-4 months it will make Covid look like a butterfly fart in terms of the disruption to supply lines, & no matter what the PRC promises, those disruptions will be long lasting & deep.

[Enzedder]

Have the Simpsons ever been wrong?

[Uncle fester]

Wasn't aware that vegetable oils were on the hitlist.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... -seed-oils

[Uncle fester]

French companies have received threats from US embassies if they don't implement racist/discriminating policies...

Scum don't know that the french were never an apartheid state ... although we are going there. :(

Trinity College has told staff not to respond to requests for information from the US Government.

They're basically telling the rest of the World that if they aren't as racist & hate filled as them, then they're cutting all connections.

Going after Disney as well.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62k20l5x24o

[dpedin]

Wasn't aware that vegetable oils were on the hitlist.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... -seed-oils

The US is lost! Pound to a penny that if anyone dug deep enough they will find the big factory cattle farms and meat producers are funding this shite. I also see the likes of the Tate Bros involved. All the research is fairly solid on health benefits of seed based oils and have shown the anti seed stuff to be bullshit. However all this deflects from the fact that loads of US foodstuff is ultra processed and filled with sugar from corn syrups and the like. FFS the Irish refused to let Subway call their 'bread' bread because of its high sugar content and decided it should be categorized as confectionary!!!

The US is lost!

[Biffer]

Have the Simpsons ever been wrong?

Except that was never in an episode of the Simpsons.

[Uncle fester]

Wasn't aware that vegetable oils were on the hitlist.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... -seed-oils

The US is lost! Pound to a penny that if anyone dug deep enough they will find the big factory cattle farms and meat producers are funding this shite. I also see the likes of the Tate Bros involved. All the research is fairly solid on health benefits of seed based oils and have shown the anti seed stuff to be bullshit. However all this deflects from the fact that loads of US foodstuff is ultra processed and filled with sugar from corn syrups and the like. FFS the Irish refused to let Subway call their 'bread' bread because of its high sugar content and decided it should be categorized as confectionary!!!

The US is lost!

And it's from the country that has given us chlorine washed chicken and hormone injected beef.

[petej]

Wasn't aware that vegetable oils were on the hitlist.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... -seed-oils

The US is lost! Pound to a penny that if anyone dug deep enough they will find the big factory cattle farms and meat producers are funding this shite. I also see the likes of the Tate Bros involved. All the research is fairly solid on health benefits of seed based oils and have shown the anti seed stuff to be bullshit. However all this deflects from the fact that loads of US foodstuff is ultra processed and filled with sugar from corn syrups and the like. FFS the Irish refused to let Subway call their 'bread' bread because of its high sugar content and decided it should be categorized as confectionary!!!

The US is lost!

And it's from the country that has given us chlorine washed chicken and hormone injected beef.

Nothing wrong with chlorine washing chicken, what is wrong is that even after doing it has a lot more bacteria than chicken that hasn't been chlorine washed in Europe due to our higher standards. Aren't they having issues with eggs at the moment due to bird flu?