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petej wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 4:57 pm
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dpedin wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 10:11 am

The US is lost! Pound to a penny that if anyone dug deep enough they will find the big factory cattle farms and meat producers are funding this shite. I also see the likes of the Tate Bros involved. All the research is fairly solid on health benefits of seed based oils and have shown the anti seed stuff to be bullshit. However all this deflects from the fact that loads of US foodstuff is ultra processed and filled with sugar from corn syrups and the like. FFS the Irish refused to let Subway call their 'bread' bread because of its high sugar content and decided it should be categorized as confectionary!!!

The US is lost!
And it's from the country that has given us chlorine washed chicken and hormone injected beef.
Nothing wrong with chlorine washing chicken, what is wrong is that even after doing it has a lot more bacteria than chicken that hasn't been chlorine washed in Europe due to our higher standards. Aren't they having issues with eggs at the moment due to bird flu?
Cooking properly neutralizes that difference anyways. As long as McChlorine burgers and chickens were sold with a big US flag and 🤮 next to it, I’d have no problem having on sale in the Uk as will give consumers a better choice between cheap and nasty, or pricey & nicey. From what I’ve seen, their food in supermarkets isn’t even that cheap anymore so possible moot point. It will be used as a bargaining chip by Trump anyways in any kind of deal with the UK.

Yanks don’t want their food as stringently shown what ingredients it contains though.
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_Os_ wrote: Fri Mar 28, 2025 4:31 pm
Yeeb wrote: Fri Mar 28, 2025 3:58 pm Am not disagreeing with anything you’ve written there , but just about the only sane factual thing Trump has said in last ten years has been that certain Euro / nato countries (I’m not sure he knows or cares the difference) have been total sponges and paid next to bugger all as % of their gdp for their defence . From memory the 2% thing has only been a guideline at best and only in place for last decade, and was discussed for decades before that whilst Herman & Pedro let Pierre, Peter and Piotr pick up the tab (Padraig had already snuck into the party without paying entry fee of course because he’s a bludger)
It's a bogus argument, because the deterrent isn't Lithuania spending 5% of its GDP on defence or Portugal spending 1% or 3% or Ireland spending 0% or 10%. The deterrence is that if Russia rolls tanks over the border the US will nuke Russia until they withdraw or are exterminated. The deterrent is that enough nukes will go into Russia that Russians as an ethnicity/culture/language go extinct.

The idea the US would do this isn't at all credible now. The Poles or Finns would 100% do it if they had the capability and were facing a Ukraine situation, and the Russians would know they would do it too so they wouldn't touch them.

Why was the US more willing in the past. Because what they were buying from Europe post-WW2 when the continent was destroyed or heavily damaged and the Soviets had a huge military all the way inside Germany's borders, wasn't a defence of Europe given for free. It was really a security guarantee in exchange for taking all Europe's global power and even power within Europe.

What the US are now doing is going into a shop named "Europe", loading up an item called "global power and hegemony" into the trolley (the entire contents of the shop), then rocking up at the counter and telling Herman/Pedro/Pierre/Peter/Piotr/Padraig they're walking out with that for free.
It’s not bogus at all to expect smaller countries to pay their way, the sticking point was large Countries like Spain were being mooches as well.
Nukes are the ultimate deterrent , but conventional arms are also what’s keeping Russia at bay at present.
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Yeeb wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:01 pm
petej wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 4:57 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 10:18 am

And it's from the country that has given us chlorine washed chicken and hormone injected beef.
Nothing wrong with chlorine washing chicken, what is wrong is that even after doing it has a lot more bacteria than chicken that hasn't been chlorine washed in Europe due to our higher standards. Aren't they having issues with eggs at the moment due to bird flu?
Cooking properly neutralizes that difference anyways. As long as McChlorine burgers and chickens were sold with a big US flag and 🤮 next to it, I’d have no problem having on sale in the Uk as will give consumers a better choice between cheap and nasty, or pricey & nicey. From what I’ve seen, their food in supermarkets isn’t even that cheap anymore so possible moot point. It will be used as a bargaining chip by Trump anyways in any kind of deal with the UK.

Yanks don’t want their food as stringently shown what ingredients it contains though.
When Kraft bought Cadbury, they reviewed costs and one of their sticking points was the amount of cocoa solids, i.e. chocolate that Cadbury put in their product. They wanted less cocoa in the product and costs driven down so Cadbury had to explain that you wouldn't be able to legally call it chocolate anymore.

Kraft's response was "don't worry about that. We'll just lobby the government to change the legal definition of chocolate".

Spoiler alert: they were unsuccessful with this lobbying effort but the product is pretty low quality all in all.
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geordie_6 wrote: Sat Mar 29, 2025 5:48 pm
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geordie_6 wrote: Sat Mar 29, 2025 8:25 am

Even then, I'm not sure he has it in him to change course or even tone things down. He'll probably double down on this shit.
Or just go with the tried & true GOP classic & start a war ?

... with Iran obviously, as that'll bring the rapture that much closer when Iran & Israel swap WMDs
Well, at least they have a plan B...? :crazy:
And what do you know ....... a few days after I suggested Iran, the US has moved a sizable percentage of their B-2 bombers to DG; their preferred location for bombing Iran !
For several days in a row, the United States has been concentrating its B-2 Spirit strategic bombers on the small island of Diego Garcia, located in the middle of the Indian Ocean. While a relocation of even a few from its full-time Whiteman Air Base in Missouri would ordinarily be a massive concern for any potential adversary, various sources report some five to nine aircraft currently stationed there.

Considering the entire American B-2 fleet consists of an estimated 18 to 20 bombers, that makes about one-third of them in one place. But what's more impressive is that they are hosted by an island with a total area of only 30 km², in a strategic location that is crucial for a potential airstrike campaign against Iran.
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/us_has_o ... 14006.html
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fishfoodie wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:25 pm
geordie_6 wrote: Sat Mar 29, 2025 5:48 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:05 pm

Or just go with the tried & true GOP classic & start a war ?

... with Iran obviously, as that'll bring the rapture that much closer when Iran & Israel swap WMDs
Well, at least they have a plan B...? :crazy:
And what do you know ....... a few days after I suggested Iran, the US has moved a sizable percentage of their B-2 bombers to DG; their preferred location for bombing Iran !
For several days in a row, the United States has been concentrating its B-2 Spirit strategic bombers on the small island of Diego Garcia, located in the middle of the Indian Ocean. While a relocation of even a few from its full-time Whiteman Air Base in Missouri would ordinarily be a massive concern for any potential adversary, various sources report some five to nine aircraft currently stationed there.

Considering the entire American B-2 fleet consists of an estimated 18 to 20 bombers, that makes about one-third of them in one place. But what's more impressive is that they are hosted by an island with a total area of only 30 km², in a strategic location that is crucial for a potential airstrike campaign against Iran.
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/us_has_o ... 14006.html
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Uncle fester wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:23 pm
Yeeb wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:01 pm
petej wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 4:57 pm

Nothing wrong with chlorine washing chicken, what is wrong is that even after doing it has a lot more bacteria than chicken that hasn't been chlorine washed in Europe due to our higher standards. Aren't they having issues with eggs at the moment due to bird flu?
Cooking properly neutralizes that difference anyways. As long as McChlorine burgers and chickens were sold with a big US flag and 🤮 next to it, I’d have no problem having on sale in the Uk as will give consumers a better choice between cheap and nasty, or pricey & nicey. From what I’ve seen, their food in supermarkets isn’t even that cheap anymore so possible moot point. It will be used as a bargaining chip by Trump anyways in any kind of deal with the UK.

Yanks don’t want their food as stringently shown what ingredients it contains though.
When Kraft bought Cadbury, they reviewed costs and one of their sticking points was the amount of cocoa solids, i.e. chocolate that Cadbury put in their product. They wanted less cocoa in the product and costs driven down so Cadbury had to explain that you wouldn't be able to legally call it chocolate anymore.

Kraft's response was "don't worry about that. We'll just lobby the government to change the legal definition of chocolate".

Spoiler alert: they were unsuccessful with this lobbying effort but the product is pretty low quality all in all.
'The US reports higher rates of illness from foodborne illness than in the UK. Annually, 14.7% (48m) of the US population suffer from an illness, versus 1.5% (1m) in the UK. This is nearly ten times the percentage of population.'

Eat your fill of chlorinated chicken mate ... think I will pass!
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Yeeb wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:01 pm
petej wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 4:57 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 10:18 am

And it's from the country that has given us chlorine washed chicken and hormone injected beef.
Nothing wrong with chlorine washing chicken, what is wrong is that even after doing it has a lot more bacteria than chicken that hasn't been chlorine washed in Europe due to our higher standards. Aren't they having issues with eggs at the moment due to bird flu?
Cooking properly neutralizes that difference anyways. As long as McChlorine burgers and chickens were sold with a big US flag and 🤮 next to it, I’d have no problem having on sale in the Uk as will give consumers a better choice between cheap and nasty, or pricey & nicey. From what I’ve seen, their food in supermarkets isn’t even that cheap anymore so possible moot point. It will be used as a bargaining chip by Trump anyways in any kind of deal with the UK.

Yanks don’t want their food as stringently shown what ingredients it contains though.
Mostly corn syrup and trans fats, although the culture war cunts may ban the latter due to its name and their utter stupidity.
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geordie_6 wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:44 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:25 pm
geordie_6 wrote: Sat Mar 29, 2025 5:48 pm

Well, at least they have a plan B...? :crazy:
And what do you know ....... a few days after I suggested Iran, the US has moved a sizable percentage of their B-2 bombers to DG; their preferred location for bombing Iran !
For several days in a row, the United States has been concentrating its B-2 Spirit strategic bombers on the small island of Diego Garcia, located in the middle of the Indian Ocean. While a relocation of even a few from its full-time Whiteman Air Base in Missouri would ordinarily be a massive concern for any potential adversary, various sources report some five to nine aircraft currently stationed there.

Considering the entire American B-2 fleet consists of an estimated 18 to 20 bombers, that makes about one-third of them in one place. But what's more impressive is that they are hosted by an island with a total area of only 30 km², in a strategic location that is crucial for a potential airstrike campaign against Iran.
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/us_has_o ... 14006.html
Which group chat are you in?
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geordie_6 wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:44 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:25 pm
geordie_6 wrote: Sat Mar 29, 2025 5:48 pm

Well, at least they have a plan B...? :crazy:
And what do you know ....... a few days after I suggested Iran, the US has moved a sizable percentage of their B-2 bombers to DG; their preferred location for bombing Iran !
For several days in a row, the United States has been concentrating its B-2 Spirit strategic bombers on the small island of Diego Garcia, located in the middle of the Indian Ocean. While a relocation of even a few from its full-time Whiteman Air Base in Missouri would ordinarily be a massive concern for any potential adversary, various sources report some five to nine aircraft currently stationed there.

Considering the entire American B-2 fleet consists of an estimated 18 to 20 bombers, that makes about one-third of them in one place. But what's more impressive is that they are hosted by an island with a total area of only 30 km², in a strategic location that is crucial for a potential airstrike campaign against Iran.
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/us_has_o ... 14006.html
Which group chat are you in?
Isn't this "Iranian War Plans Discussion" ???

Damn !, I'm always replying in the wrong tab in Teams :???: :???:
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Yeeb wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:01 pm Cooking properly neutralizes that difference anyways. As long as McChlorine burgers and chickens were sold with a big US flag and 🤮 next to it, I’d have no problem having on sale in the Uk as will give consumers a better choice between cheap and nasty, or pricey & nicey.
But doesn't erase it being GM !

And being labeled with its country of origin was one of the bigger sticking points with the Bumblecunts efforts to get a Trade deal in the Tango Traitors 1st term of office; the Yanks aren't complete idiots; they know if their flag was plastered all over the products, then consumers would smell a rat & avoid them.
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And this is where a teeny bit of due process might have helped.
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fishfoodie wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 9:41 pm
Yeeb wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:01 pm Cooking properly neutralizes that difference anyways. As long as McChlorine burgers and chickens were sold with a big US flag and 🤮 next to it, I’d have no problem having on sale in the Uk as will give consumers a better choice between cheap and nasty, or pricey & nicey.
But doesn't erase it being GM !

And being labeled with its country of origin was one of the bigger sticking points with the Bumblecunts efforts to get a Trade deal in the Tango Traitors 1st term of office; the Yanks aren't complete idiots; they know if their flag was plastered all over the products, then consumers would smell a rat & avoid them.
I think you'd find a lot of people, even people who could afford otherwise, would chase the cheaper offer. And then we'd have a still less healthy population, we'd be losing more days to food poisoning which is a huge initial costs and in the longer term other conditions too which is perhaps a bigger cost still.

It's the odd thing about the American food industry and how government responds to it, it's bad for wider business, it's bad for vastly escalating health and social costs across society and the penny pinching only really helps a few people right at the top of the processed food industry, and yet somehow they cherish it and claim giving people heart disease, cancer and diabetes is key to 'freedom'
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 8:01 am
fishfoodie wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 9:41 pm
Yeeb wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:01 pm Cooking properly neutralizes that difference anyways. As long as McChlorine burgers and chickens were sold with a big US flag and 🤮 next to it, I’d have no problem having on sale in the Uk as will give consumers a better choice between cheap and nasty, or pricey & nicey.
But doesn't erase it being GM !

And being labeled with its country of origin was one of the bigger sticking points with the Bumblecunts efforts to get a Trade deal in the Tango Traitors 1st term of office; the Yanks aren't complete idiots; they know if their flag was plastered all over the products, then consumers would smell a rat & avoid them.
I think you'd find a lot of people, even people who could afford otherwise, would chase the cheaper offer. And then we'd have a still less healthy population, we'd be losing more days to food poisoning which is a huge initial costs and in the longer term other conditions too which is perhaps a bigger cost still.

It's the odd thing about the American food industry and how government responds to it, it's bad for wider business, it's bad for vastly escalating health and social costs across society and the penny pinching only really helps a few people right at the top of the processed food industry, and yet somehow they cherish it and claim giving people heart disease, cancer and diabetes is key to 'freedom'
Lots of parallels with the gun industry in the US to be honest except one takes a lot longer to achieve the same outcome!
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dpedin wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 9:44 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 8:01 am
fishfoodie wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 9:41 pm

But doesn't erase it being GM !

And being labeled with its country of origin was one of the bigger sticking points with the Bumblecunts efforts to get a Trade deal in the Tango Traitors 1st term of office; the Yanks aren't complete idiots; they know if their flag was plastered all over the products, then consumers would smell a rat & avoid them.
I think you'd find a lot of people, even people who could afford otherwise, would chase the cheaper offer. And then we'd have a still less healthy population, we'd be losing more days to food poisoning which is a huge initial costs and in the longer term other conditions too which is perhaps a bigger cost still.

It's the odd thing about the American food industry and how government responds to it, it's bad for wider business, it's bad for vastly escalating health and social costs across society and the penny pinching only really helps a few people right at the top of the processed food industry, and yet somehow they cherish it and claim giving people heart disease, cancer and diabetes is key to 'freedom'
Lots of parallels with the gun industry in the US to be honest except one takes a lot longer to achieve the same outcome!
it wouldn't be quite so bad if they had a sane health service, but that compounds the problem they start out as making much worse than it needs be.

over and over they legalise and cherish stupidity and venality for the benefit of the few, sadly we're typically 10-20 years behind them on the push to stupid policies
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fishfoodie wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 9:41 pm
Yeeb wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:01 pm Cooking properly neutralizes that difference anyways. As long as McChlorine burgers and chickens were sold with a big US flag and 🤮 next to it, I’d have no problem having on sale in the Uk as will give consumers a better choice between cheap and nasty, or pricey & nicey.
But doesn't erase it being GM !

And being labeled with its country of origin was one of the bigger sticking points with the Bumblecunts efforts to get a Trade deal in the Tango Traitors 1st term of office; the Yanks aren't complete idiots; they know if their flag was plastered all over the products, then consumers would smell a rat & avoid them.
Gm isn’t bad per se, I’d give people the option though. Visit any costco in the uk and you will see plenty of lovely foodstuffs with American flags on them getting bought already, if it’s priced properly and tastes good it won’t out anyone off. Everyone knows Pepsi and Coke are from the US but still buy them.
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dpedin wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 7:25 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:23 pm
Yeeb wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:01 pm

Cooking properly neutralizes that difference anyways. As long as McChlorine burgers and chickens were sold with a big US flag and 🤮 next to it, I’d have no problem having on sale in the Uk as will give consumers a better choice between cheap and nasty, or pricey & nicey. From what I’ve seen, their food in supermarkets isn’t even that cheap anymore so possible moot point. It will be used as a bargaining chip by Trump anyways in any kind of deal with the UK.

Yanks don’t want their food as stringently shown what ingredients it contains though.
When Kraft bought Cadbury, they reviewed costs and one of their sticking points was the amount of cocoa solids, i.e. chocolate that Cadbury put in their product. They wanted less cocoa in the product and costs driven down so Cadbury had to explain that you wouldn't be able to legally call it chocolate anymore.

Kraft's response was "don't worry about that. We'll just lobby the government to change the legal definition of chocolate".

Spoiler alert: they were unsuccessful with this lobbying effort but the product is pretty low quality all in all.
'The US reports higher rates of illness from foodborne illness than in the UK. Annually, 14.7% (48m) of the US population suffer from an illness, versus 1.5% (1m) in the UK. This is nearly ten times the percentage of population.'

Eat your fill of chlorinated chicken mate ... think I will pass!
Like most stats, that’s one perhaps open to interpretation - maybe their cooking & storage skills are poor and they get ill from stuff that’s gone off ?
Perhaps they just too fucking fat so that they blame their food rather than the sheer quantity ?

I myself would pay extra for non chlorine chicken, but I’d be ok with consumers in the uk having a choice if they wanted to save money. It’s just yet another topic that got used as a political weapon.
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Yeeb wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 11:52 am Everyone knows Pepsi and Coke are from the US but still buy them.
But they're not made and bottled in the USA, then shipped here. They are made in EU/UK under EU rules.
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Sandstorm wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 12:31 pm
Yeeb wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 11:52 am Everyone knows Pepsi and Coke are from the US but still buy them.
But they're not made and bottled in the USA, then shipped here. They are made in EU/UK under EU rules.
Not true for all of their products , and the syrup comes straight from the US.
Still undeniably US brands though , the argument of which was that little US flags presence would put people off purchase , which I disagree it would
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Yeeb wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 11:55 am
dpedin wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 7:25 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:23 pm

When Kraft bought Cadbury, they reviewed costs and one of their sticking points was the amount of cocoa solids, i.e. chocolate that Cadbury put in their product. They wanted less cocoa in the product and costs driven down so Cadbury had to explain that you wouldn't be able to legally call it chocolate anymore.

Kraft's response was "don't worry about that. We'll just lobby the government to change the legal definition of chocolate".

Spoiler alert: they were unsuccessful with this lobbying effort but the product is pretty low quality all in all.
'The US reports higher rates of illness from foodborne illness than in the UK. Annually, 14.7% (48m) of the US population suffer from an illness, versus 1.5% (1m) in the UK. This is nearly ten times the percentage of population.'

Eat your fill of chlorinated chicken mate ... think I will pass!
Like most stats, that’s one perhaps open to interpretation - maybe their cooking & storage skills are poor and they get ill from stuff that’s gone off ?
Perhaps they just too fucking fat so that they blame their food rather than the sheer quantity ?

I myself would pay extra for non chlorine chicken, but I’d be ok with consumers in the uk having a choice if they wanted to save money. It’s just yet another topic that got used as a political weapon.
you'd need to do some bimbo esque contortions to suggest it's even close on people getting sick and frankly people dying from food poisoning between the Europe and the USA. it wold be fair to say the stats captured in this are bad, on both sides if worse in the USA, but the underlying problem US food isn't sanitary is marked

as is often the case allowing a producer into a market that undercuts decent (or at least better) producers on the supposed basis of choice ignoring that balloons costs elsewhere in the system is just stupid. I'd rather we start with a line of thought that ran our own food supply isn't good enough, not how can we make it dramatically worse
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:50 pm
Yeeb wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 11:55 am
dpedin wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 7:25 pm

'The US reports higher rates of illness from foodborne illness than in the UK. Annually, 14.7% (48m) of the US population suffer from an illness, versus 1.5% (1m) in the UK. This is nearly ten times the percentage of population.'

Eat your fill of chlorinated chicken mate ... think I will pass!
Like most stats, that’s one perhaps open to interpretation - maybe their cooking & storage skills are poor and they get ill from stuff that’s gone off ?
Perhaps they just too fucking fat so that they blame their food rather than the sheer quantity ?

I myself would pay extra for non chlorine chicken, but I’d be ok with consumers in the uk having a choice if they wanted to save money. It’s just yet another topic that got used as a political weapon.
you'd need to do some bimbo esque contortions to suggest it's even close on people getting sick and frankly people dying from food poisoning between the Europe and the USA. it wold be fair to say the stats captured in this are bad, on both sides if worse in the USA, but the underlying problem US food isn't sanitary is marked

as is often the case allowing a producer into a market that undercuts decent (or at least better) producers on the supposed basis of choice ignoring that balloons costs elsewhere in the system is just stupid. I'd rather we start with a line of thought that ran our own food supply isn't good enough, not how can we make it dramatically worse
You’ve provided no links or any detail on what foodbourne illness actually is, the US is famously litigious and if their food really was making people ill because of the food and not the quantity or (lack of) variety or storage or cooking, there would be a lot more suing and public cases about yank crisps giving you bad aids.

Sanitary implies how it’s kept, it’s just differences in controls and what is deemed healthy or not, I believe the US doesn’t allow unpasteurised cheese or certain live cultures , when they have been consumed in Europe for thousands of years.
My gut feel is that they are just so fucking fat and stupid, they are blaming their food rather than their own choices of food , the fat cunts
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Yeeb wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:25 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 12:31 pm
Yeeb wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 11:52 am Everyone knows Pepsi and Coke are from the US but still buy them.
But they're not made and bottled in the USA, then shipped here. They are made in EU/UK under EU rules.
Not true for all of their products , and the syrup comes straight from the US.
Still undeniably US brands though , the argument of which was that little US flags presence would put people off purchase , which I disagree it would
Pretty sure Coke, and a multitude of other products, are reformulated for the European market. I'm also pretty sure that European formulated coke doesn't contain any corn syrup, but instead actual sugar.
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Yeeb wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 2:12 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:50 pm
Yeeb wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 11:55 am

Like most stats, that’s one perhaps open to interpretation - maybe their cooking & storage skills are poor and they get ill from stuff that’s gone off ?
Perhaps they just too fucking fat so that they blame their food rather than the sheer quantity ?

I myself would pay extra for non chlorine chicken, but I’d be ok with consumers in the uk having a choice if they wanted to save money. It’s just yet another topic that got used as a political weapon.
you'd need to do some bimbo esque contortions to suggest it's even close on people getting sick and frankly people dying from food poisoning between the Europe and the USA. it wold be fair to say the stats captured in this are bad, on both sides if worse in the USA, but the underlying problem US food isn't sanitary is marked

as is often the case allowing a producer into a market that undercuts decent (or at least better) producers on the supposed basis of choice ignoring that balloons costs elsewhere in the system is just stupid. I'd rather we start with a line of thought that ran our own food supply isn't good enough, not how can we make it dramatically worse
You’ve provided no links or any detail on what foodbourne illness actually is, the US is famously litigious and if their food really was making people ill because of the food and not the quantity or (lack of) variety or storage or cooking, there would be a lot more suing and public cases about yank crisps giving you bad aids.

Sanitary implies how it’s kept, it’s just differences in controls and what is deemed healthy or not, I believe the US doesn’t allow unpasteurised cheese or certain live cultures , when they have been consumed in Europe for thousands of years.
My gut feel is that they are just so fucking fat and stupid, they are blaming their food rather than their own choices of food , the fat cunts
In fairness it's 2 maybe even 4 years since I looked into this, but it's not a close thing, it's not even a thing it might be a thing. Illness from foods in the USA, lost working hours, deaths resulting from illness, are simply much higher in the USA.

If you want to spend hours looking into it knock yourself out, but the absence of a link doesn't mean any thinking their standards are comparable isn't rancid BS.

Though I think we might want to draw a distinction between obesity and sanitation. One bleeds into the other in some situations, but this isn't as simple as just saying they're fatter than we are (and we're not exactly healthy as a nation)

I suppose too there is the chance that absent any serious reform of their food industry US producers have set aside profit and markedly upped their game in the last few years, I would be surprised, if also pleased

I would say bigger picture I don't in advance have a problem with GM foods, I do have a problem with some control over the GM industry a small handful of firms have. if they want to come into European markets I wouldn't be interested unless they wanted (were forced) to open up to the public some techniques/patents. One firm even if headed by a human not a Musk controlling food just doesn't have a ring of sanity
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You could just swap out the names in this and there's a lot of box ticking on attitudes/statements/practices of the current regime. :shifty:

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Don't forget to rinse your chlorinated chicken in the sink before you cook it!
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Yeeb wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 2:12 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:50 pm
Yeeb wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 11:55 am

Like most stats, that’s one perhaps open to interpretation - maybe their cooking & storage skills are poor and they get ill from stuff that’s gone off ?
Perhaps they just too fucking fat so that they blame their food rather than the sheer quantity ?

I myself would pay extra for non chlorine chicken, but I’d be ok with consumers in the uk having a choice if they wanted to save money. It’s just yet another topic that got used as a political weapon.
you'd need to do some bimbo esque contortions to suggest it's even close on people getting sick and frankly people dying from food poisoning between the Europe and the USA. it wold be fair to say the stats captured in this are bad, on both sides if worse in the USA, but the underlying problem US food isn't sanitary is marked

as is often the case allowing a producer into a market that undercuts decent (or at least better) producers on the supposed basis of choice ignoring that balloons costs elsewhere in the system is just stupid. I'd rather we start with a line of thought that ran our own food supply isn't good enough, not how can we make it dramatically worse
You’ve provided no links or any detail on what foodbourne illness actually is, the US is famously litigious and if their food really was making people ill because of the food and not the quantity or (lack of) variety or storage or cooking, there would be a lot more suing and public cases about yank crisps giving you bad aids.

Sanitary implies how it’s kept, it’s just differences in controls and what is deemed healthy or not, I believe the US doesn’t allow unpasteurised cheese or certain live cultures , when they have been consumed in Europe for thousands of years.
My gut feel is that they are just so fucking fat and stupid, they are blaming their food rather than their own choices of food , the fat cunts
Lots of products have the same name but different formulations in EU/UK to USA. USA shitter food practices have definitely heavily contributed to their health issues. Food industry are massive cunts and not to be trusted and I'm glad they are more tightly controlled here than in the USA. It is funny when I see gunk I've used in plastic blends added to food.
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Same product, EU V USA

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fishfoodie wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 3:40 pm Same product, EU V USA

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Corn syrup :sick:
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PornDog wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 2:25 pm
Yeeb wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:25 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 12:31 pm

But they're not made and bottled in the USA, then shipped here. They are made in EU/UK under EU rules.
Not true for all of their products , and the syrup comes straight from the US.
Still undeniably US brands though , the argument of which was that little US flags presence would put people off purchase , which I disagree it would
Pretty sure Coke, and a multitude of other products, are reformulated for the European market. I'm also pretty sure that European formulated coke doesn't contain any corn syrup, but instead actual sugar.
Yes, lots of different flavours and base ingredients for different markets - the secret bit that gives it the Coca Cola & Pepsi flavour , comes from the US.
Fanta differs even more , and is far less US centric than the cola flavoured items (some of the US fantas like Orange, dont actually contain the fruit they are supposed to taste like!)

Semantics aside from ingredients or place of manufacture , Coke & Pepsi are undeniably American products , and whose consumption wouldn’t vary really if it had a little USA flag on like matey claims
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Sandstorm wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 3:55 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 3:40 pm Same product, EU V USA

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Corn syrup :sick:
I agree too much corn syrup in too much food, but we have a lot of choices (dozen of different brands)
You can eat healthy if you read the labels, even tho ketchup is not, even the organic ones.

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Om the positive side, Musk failed to buy the election in Wisconsin (and the Republican candidate conceded with grave), the Democrats flipped a couole of seats in state Senate elections and a black Senator, Cory Booker, spoke for over 25 hours on the Floor, ripping the shit out of Trump and breaking the record set by racist Strom Thurmond in 1957 who was railing against the iniquity of the Civil Right Act.
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Heh, Strom wasn't a racist, he said so! he just passionately believed in States rights
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Dunno whether you've checked Josh Johnson out but if you haven't, he's worth a giggle...

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I liked the SNL take on that:
"The fist bump emoji."
"The American flag emoji."
"And the Tesla emoji."
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Flockwitt wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:13 am I liked the SNL take on that:
"The fist bump emoji."
"The American flag emoji."
"And the Tesla emoji."
Yeah :lol:
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Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:05 am Om the positive side, Musk failed to buy the election in Wisconsin (and the Republican candidate conceded with grave), the Democrats flipped a couole of seats in state Senate elections and a black Senator, Cory Booker, spoke for over 25 hours on the Floor, ripping the shit out of Trump and breaking the record set by racist Strom Thurmond in 1957 who was railing against the iniquity of the Civil Right Act.
I loved Booker's comment that he was happy to break the record of a man who fought to stop people like Booker being able to stand in that chamber.
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Guy Smiley wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:35 am Dunno whether you've checked Josh Johnson out but if you haven't, he's worth a giggle...

He's excellent and astonishingly prolific with his content considering he's also a staff writer for The Daily Show.
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I would get rid of the ridiculous ban on GM crops.
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