Climate Change - Why don't we care?

[Biffer]

Do people really not understand the point is aspiration?

What's the most advanced and richest society in the world?

Isn't that what everyone else wants to be?

So manipulate the way you perceive the most advanced and wealthiest societies to be, to change other people's aspirations.

It's not that fucking hard.

If you don't change, they will catch up - and then you're not what everyone else aspires to be.

And then the world goes away from what you want.

[Niegs]

He sums up the challenge in his intro... took him a month to put this together with research and legit studies while millions have liked the Billy Bob bullshit.

[lemonhead]

Er, you might want to skip that pack of 50p carrots in the supermarket and pay a little more.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ood-system

FFS is right. Thought this was America's punchline.

[Sandstorm]

Er, you might want to skip that pack of 50p carrots in the supermarket and pay a little more.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ood-system

FFS is right. Thought this was America's punchline.

An important topic, but that’s a really poorly written article - even for The Guardian.

[Guy Smiley]

What has become of EPWC, who started this thread? Not seen them post for months, log says they were logged in today.

I hope all is ok mate.

[Firewater]

I wish poster would call it say man made climate change. (Or maybe Anthropogenic Global Warming)

I beleive we are heading into a cooling period due to natural cycles (not cows farting and burping etc). This will cause all sorts of concerning issues. Including food shortages. We need to start caring about this and kick the crap MMCC so called science into touch. Hopefully Trump will move in this direction

And how do I know its all a money making scam. The energy solution are pathetic and costly. If it was an actual issue we would be going full stream ahead into nuclear for energy. And looking for serious solution for other oil uses. Like clothing and roading. Neither are being done

Instead we are wasting money on useless wind farms and solar. And costly electric cars.

More and more are waking up to this scam. But those on the gravy train (there are a lot) will fight like hell to keep the money flowing. Money that often isn't properly accounted for

[Firewater]

What has become of EPWC, who started this thread? Not seen them post for months, log says they were logged in today.

I hope all is ok mate.

He or she might have seen the light on this issue. I know committed MMCC devotees that no longer are.

[bok_viking]

I wish poster would call it say man made climate change. (Or maybe Anthropogenic Global Warming)

I beleive we are heading into a cooling period due to natural cycles (not cows farting and burping etc). This will cause all sorts of concerning issues. Including food shortages. We need to start caring about this and kick the crap MMCC so called science into touch. Hopefully Trump will move in this direction

And how do I know its all a money making scam. The energy solution are pathetic and costly. If it was an actual issue we would be going full stream ahead into nuclear for energy. And looking for serious solution for other oil uses. Like clothing and roading. Neither are being done

Instead we are wasting money on useless wind farms and solar. And costly electric cars.

More and more are waking up to this scam. But those on the gravy train (there are a lot) will fight like hell to keep the money flowing. Money that often isn't properly accounted for

Yes the earth has gone through natural cycles of cooling and heating, but those cycles happened over thousands of years, giving vegetation and animals time to adapt, now those cycles are happening within a 100 years, so there is no time for nature to adapt. It is hilarious and sad that so many people believe that all the pollution, etc does not have a meaningful effect on climate and nature.

Do you honestly thing that governments like the USA that are in the pockets of the oil companies, etc will do anything meaningful to move away from fossil fuels even when there is a need too, so far the only countries that are moving away from fossil fuels are the ones not under the thumb of oil corporations, etc.

[lemonhead]

Er, you might want to skip that pack of 50p carrots in the supermarket and pay a little more.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ood-system

FFS is right. Thought this was America's punchline.

An important topic, but that’s a really poorly written article - even for The Guardian.

Certainly the most overly emotional piece I've read from him. Plenty of lose ends and the court judgment segment could've used less cynicism

Is there anything specific he's gotten wrong?

[Hal Jordan]

I wish poster would call it say man made climate change. (Or maybe Anthropogenic Global Warming)

I beleive we are heading into a cooling period due to natural cycles (not cows farting and burping etc). This will cause all sorts of concerning issues. Including food shortages. We need to start caring about this and kick the crap MMCC so called science into touch. Hopefully Trump will move in this direction

And how do I know its all a money making scam. The energy solution are pathetic and costly. If it was an actual issue we would be going full stream ahead into nuclear for energy. And looking for serious solution for other oil uses. Like clothing and roading. Neither are being done

Instead we are wasting money on useless wind farms and solar. And costly electric cars.

More and more are waking up to this scam. But those on the gravy train (there are a lot) will fight like hell to keep the money flowing. Money that often isn't properly accounted for

Yes the earth has gone through natural cycles of cooling and heating, but those cycles happened over thousands of years, giving vegetation and animals time to adapt, now those cycles are happening within a 100 years, so there is no time for nature to adapt. It is hilarious and sad that so many people believe that all the pollution, etc does not have a meaningful effect on climate and nature.

Do you honestly thing that governments like the USA that are in the pockets of the oil companies, etc will do anything meaningful to move away from fossil fuels even when there is a need too, so far the only countries that are moving away from fossil fuels are the ones not under the thumb of oil corporations, etc.

I believe you are looking for Sefton and Silver debate climate change on YouTube.

[petej]

Er, you might want to skip that pack of 50p carrots in the supermarket and pay a little more.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ood-system

FFS is right. Thought this was America's punchline.

An important topic, but that’s a really poorly written article - even for The Guardian.

Certainly the most overly emotional piece I've read from him. Plenty of lose ends and the court judgment segment could've used less cynicism

Is there anything specific he's gotten wrong?

That this getting worse not better. Banning of, substitution and replacement of materials is something I deal with (as well as misguided environmental professionals). The problem a lot of the time is old products which contain nasty shit that we did not previously measure. The tendency in the guardian to rate no knowledge as being better than data and tracking is a bit self defeating. Need to balance out this with look this actually works reporting on things like Stockholm convention, 3M stopping manufacture of pfas.

[fishfoodie]

I see that despite no-one being clear what caused the Iberian blackout, the Torygraph is happy to declare that 'Net Zero' is to blame

It's a wonder they even bother to employ journos any more, given a dyslexic chimp could bang out better copy, but I suppose all the chimp children of Torys are all already employed by either Beeb or the Foreign Office

[Guy Smiley]

I see that despite no-one being clear what caused the Iberian blackout, the Torygraph is happy to declare that 'Net Zero' is to blame

It's a wonder they even bother to employ journos any more, given a dyslexic chimp could bang out better copy, but I suppose all the chimp children of Torys are all already employed by either Beeb or the Foreign Office

Cunce. The world is being held to ransom by this sort of (mainly conservative leaning) media reporting and the influence it wields.

Meanwhile, some positive news;

[Niegs]

Climate Town is back...


As is their Climate Denier's Playbook (first up, the windmills are killing the whales!!)

https://art19.com/shows/the-climate-den ... 171655bd65

[Niegs]

[mat the expat]

^

Here in Oz the electorate roundly told the LNP (Conservatives) to get fecked around anti-Climate Change rheroric.

A Shellacking is the correct term