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- Uncle fester
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Not ruling it out completely but you'd think they'd go after the likes of Ireland and Spain first?Hugo wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 4:05 pmIs it potentially in part due to the ANC's stance on Palestine/Israel? The Israeli lobby are very meticulous in identifying opponents and then strategically going after them.Sandstorm wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 3:19 pm
Someone in DC (besides Musk) is annoyed by the ANC and has told Donny about it.
BBC looked into the crosses, which apparently aren't even there any more as it was a temporary action to highlight the issue, not even a permanent memorial. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce81334je72o
And I just watched a clip of Levitt trying to spin a reporter's question as 'ridiculous' - pointing out that it wasn't a 'burial site'. Levitt managed to get angry and dismissive without actually addressing the 'burial site' aspect of the question. I'd love to see more journalists shout back the lies, even if it means getting booted from future pressers. Keep triggering them into shameful displays like when Trump denied that the hand tattoo was a photoshop and kept whining that the interviewer wouldn't agree with him.
I really do think part of the point is exactly to elicit reactions like this and drag it all into the culture wars. There are farmers being killed and the level of depravity and torture in some cases is far beyond normal crime (obvious hate crimes), there very obviously also is one prominent politician singing about the killing of an ethnic minority and somehow that has become protected speech which also isn't normal. I'm sure if this was happening in a Western country people would not be saying "Trump got that wrong, it is a temporary memorial not a literal grave site", or "that photo of the Congo was from an article about tribal warfare which talked about the Congo and SA". Trump was wrong about it being a genocide, but that's not the same as it not existing at all. Where it becomes an obvious culture war issue useful for MAGA is around whose lives matter.Niegs wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 12:31 amBBC looked into the crosses, which apparently aren't even there any more as it was a temporary action to highlight the issue, not even a permanent memorial. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce81334je72o
And I just watched a clip of Levitt trying to spin a reporter's question as 'ridiculous' - pointing out that it wasn't a 'burial site'. Levitt managed to get angry and dismissive without actually addressing the 'burial site' aspect of the question. I'd love to see more journalists shout back the lies, even if it means getting booted from future pressers. Keep triggering them into shameful displays like when Trump denied that the hand tattoo was a photoshop and kept whining that the interviewer wouldn't agree with him.
Anyway this is the sort of thing you're not going to see in a Western "fact check" that definitely has no agenda:
FACT CHECKING "BBC VERIFY": Each white cross in the video shown by Trump symbolised a victim of a farm attack, even if not an actual grave. According to TAU SA's headcount of victims 2 297 people have died in farm attacks since 1990 in South Africa, of whom 1 363 were white and 88 were black farmers.
BBC Verify only mentions TAU SA's low figure for last year (32) but not the cumulative number - a highly misleading omission in the context. Julius Malema was taught the 'shoot the boer' songs and chants by the ANC in the early 1990s, when he served as a child auxiliary in one of the many paramilitary units it established following its unbanning in February 1990.
He, along with thousands of other young radicals, was also given weapons training. The farm attack peak occurred in the late 1990s/early 2000s when number of deaths reached +/- 140 people annually.
The violence in the second half of the 1990s was akin to that in an insurgency. This was for instance the police statistics for farm attacks for 1997. 84 people lost their lives. 93 attempted murder cases. 135 people seriously injured. 433 attacks.
In 1998 - for reasons that have not been explained - there was a 77% spike in the number of farm attacks. And a 67% spike in the number of murders. These were heavily concentrated in the Eastern half of the country and particularly in Gauteng, Mpumalanga and KwaZulu Natal.
What about the paramilitaries the ANC had trained up pre-1994, armed, indoctrinated, and taught songs like 'kill the boer'? What were they doing? Well, there were 51 still operational in KZN in 1996 - and still heavily involved in both crime and the ongoing war with Inkatha.
This surge in violence was widely reported on in the international press at the time. It, however, was allowed to continue by the ANC government at these levels for years.
The formal written material (not Trump madman ramblings) like the EO and the Congress Bill, as well as commentary from Trumpers that South Africans are more likely to listen to because they are South African. All focuses on 5 main areas:Uncle fester wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 10:14 pmNot ruling it out completely but you'd think they'd go after the likes of Ireland and Spain first?Hugo wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 4:05 pmIs it potentially in part due to the ANC's stance on Palestine/Israel? The Israeli lobby are very meticulous in identifying opponents and then strategically going after them.Sandstorm wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 3:19 pm
Someone in DC (besides Musk) is annoyed by the ANC and has told Donny about it.
The ICJ case against Israel, links to Iran, Malema hate speech, expropriation without compensation law, extensive legislated racial discrimination.
- average joe
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It is a permanent memorial. The crosses were erected by the farming community next to the road and was deemed unlawful and unsafe by local authorities. For this reason, the metal crosses were moved unto a hillside (Ysterberg) on private land next to the road. It is called the Witkruis Monument. It is not a mass grave and there are no remains buried there, each cross represents a farmer that was murdered. There are about 4000 crosses currently and for every farmer murdered a cross will be added.Niegs wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 12:31 amBBC looked into the crosses, which apparently aren't even there any more as it was a temporary action to highlight the issue, not even a permanent memorial. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce81334je72o
And I just watched a clip of Levitt trying to spin a reporter's question as 'ridiculous' - pointing out that it wasn't a 'burial site'. Levitt managed to get angry and dismissive without actually addressing the 'burial site' aspect of the question. I'd love to see more journalists shout back the lies, even if it means getting booted from future pressers. Keep triggering them into shameful displays like when Trump denied that the hand tattoo was a photoshop and kept whining that the interviewer wouldn't agree with him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witkruis_Monument
- Hal Jordan
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The Big Beautiful Bill (they are such bloody children) has passed the latest hurdle, paving the way for gutting the machinery of Government and regulations, fucking over Medicare and handing all the money to the 1% in the form of a tax break. Ever wonder why Trump has carte blanche to say whatever he likes without a peep from the elites he insults and Aunt Sallys ? Because the rich are hanging in there for their money, because they can never have enough to satisfy them.
- fishfoodie
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I wonder did the tango Traitor berate Putin about any of these ?_Os_ wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 4:51 amThe formal written material (not Trump madman ramblings) like the EO and the Congress Bill, as well as commentary from Trumpers that South Africans are more likely to listen to because they are South African. All focuses on 5 main areas:Uncle fester wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 10:14 pmNot ruling it out completely but you'd think they'd go after the likes of Ireland and Spain first?Hugo wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 4:05 pm
Is it potentially in part due to the ANC's stance on Palestine/Israel? The Israeli lobby are very meticulous in identifying opponents and then strategically going after them.
The ICJ case against Israel, links to Iran, Malema hate speech, expropriation without compensation law, extensive legislated racial discrimination.
I mean a number of them apply in Ukraine, & he's killing thousand there on a weekly basis ?
But we all know the answer.
- fishfoodie
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He's moved onto the next series of grifts.geordie_6 wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 4:26 pm To the surprise of nobody, a judge has blocked Trump's attempt to stop Harvard enrolling international students.
Last night was crypto, & I'd be taking a very hard look at who was trading in Apple shares yesterday, because you'll never see a more flagrant act than his latest vomit about tariffs
Did that include the Trump admin's requirement that existing international students there had to enrol elsewhere?geordie_6 wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 4:26 pm To the surprise of nobody, a judge has blocked Trump's attempt to stop Harvard enrolling international students.
50% tariffs on Europe. Or more bluster and business uncertainty. And if he does it, all he'll actually acheive is pushing Europe to do more business with China. Which for any US President is one of the dumbest things you could do strategically. But it's Trump. As I said at the other place. Divide and rule. Only dividing the US from the rest of the world means the US loses.fishfoodie wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 5:36 pmHe's moved onto the next series of grifts.geordie_6 wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 4:26 pm To the surprise of nobody, a judge has blocked Trump's attempt to stop Harvard enrolling international students.
Last night was crypto, & I'd be taking a very hard look at who was trading in Apple shares yesterday, because you'll never see a more flagrant act than his latest vomit about tariffs