So, coronavirus...

[Bimbowomxn]

My mistake: you are there already.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

Laboratory tests showed the penetration of particles through the cloth masks to be very high (97%) compared with medical masks (44%) (used in trial) and 3M 9320 N95 (<0.01%), 3M Vflex 9105 N95 (0.1%).

[Glaston]

Any guesses on when Europe gets the 3rd Wave?

A warm march sets things off?

[Tichtheid]

My mistake: you are there already.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

Laboratory tests showed the penetration of particles through the cloth masks to be very high (97%) compared with medical masks (44%) (used in trial) and 3M 9320 N95 (<0.01%), 3M Vflex 9105 N95 (0.1%).

You really need to read the updates and the responses to that five year old article before posting it as any kind of proof again.

[Sandstorm]

You're such a beacon of happiness and positivity.

I do try

[Sandstorm]

Any guesses on when Europe gets the 3rd Wave?

A warm march sets things off?

Iran are reporting (sporadically) they're going into 3rd wave now.

[Bimbowomxn]

My mistake: you are there already.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

Laboratory tests showed the penetration of particles through the cloth masks to be very high (97%) compared with medical masks (44%) (used in trial) and 3M 9320 N95 (<0.01%), 3M Vflex 9105 N95 (0.1%).

You really need to read the updates and the responses to that five year old article before posting it as any kind of proof again.

Were the measurements wrong then ?

[Sandstorm]

Another person to have Covid twice
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/54612253

Positive in Feb and positive now.

Bit worrying.

completely asymptomatic".

He is? Oh good. That means every person on the planet of all ages can stop worrying too.

Toolbag.

[Rinkals]

Lions tour is surely off at this point?

Not cancelled yet. i don;t see them cancelling this till a lot closer to teh time - if there's a vaccine (even if only partially effective) and better treatments, together with some sort of rapid testing available, then it will go ahead. If not they'll only cancel 1-2 months before

The average age of a Lions touring fan (fag packet calculation) is probably 60+. Any of you Euros fancy catching Covid and having to be treated in a Johannesburg hospital?
I suspect your travel insurance will cost as much as the rest of your trip.

Jesus, that is a silly post.

Admittedly, you probably wouldn't want to be treated at Baragwanath or Helen Josepth, but it's unlikely that any rugby fans would end up there, anyway and the private hospitals, where you would be sent are probably at least the equal of any of your NHS centres.

Why would travel insurance be any more expensive in South Africa than anywhere else?

[Tichtheid]

You really need to read the updates and the responses to that five year old article before posting it as any kind of proof again.

Were the measurements wrong then ?

Read the updates

[Bimbowomxn]

Another person to have Covid twice
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/54612253

Positive in Feb and positive now.

Bit worrying.

completely asymptomatic".

He is? Oh good. That means every person on the planet of all ages can stop worrying too.

Toolbag.

Well of the 100’s of millions infected it telling that the handful that have been reinfected are not at risk.

[Sandstorm]

Jesus, that is a silly post.

Admittedly, you probably wouldn't want to be treated at Baragwanath or Helen Josepth, but it's unlikely that any rugby fans would end up there, anyway and the private hospitals, where you would be sent are probably at least the equal of any of your NHS centres.

Of course it's silly. But there's no reason to make Lions fans feel safe or comfortable. This is Serious Business.

Why would travel insurance be any more expensive in South Africa than anywhere else?

I never said travel insurance to SA would be more expensive than anywhere else. I said it will probably be much more expensive than 2017 Lions insurance due to Covid.

[Bimbowomxn]

Why would travel insurance be any more expensive in South Africa than anywhere else?

The horrendous crime rate as a starting point.

[Rinkals]

Why would travel insurance be any more expensive in South Africa than anywhere else?

The horrendous crime rate as a starting point.

Now see what you've done,

Bimbo is going to be convinced that 99% of all tourists to South Africa never make it back alive.

[Bimbowomxn]

Why would travel insurance be any more expensive in South Africa than anywhere else?

The horrendous crime rate as a starting point.

Now see what you've done,

Bimbo is going to be convinced that 99% of all tourists to South Africa never make it back alive.

I think denying SA has a bit of a crime problem might be a stretch even for you.

[Ovals]

You really need to read the updates and the responses to that five year old article before posting it as any kind of proof again.

Were the measurements wrong then ?

Read the updates

The devil is in the detail.......................

When 85% of the viruses found in laboratory tests were rhinoviruses, which are about four times smaller than SARS-CoV2, no conclusion from this article can be applied to COVID-19/SARS-CoV2.

[Rinkals]

The horrendous crime rate as a starting point.

Now see what you've done,

Bimbo is going to be convinced that 99% of all tourists to South Africa never make it back alive.

I think denying SA has a bit of a crime problem might be a stretch even for you.

And where did I say that?

Christ, Bimbo, you really are desperate.

Sure, we have a crime problem, but a huge proportion of crime in this country is inflicted on blacks by fellow blacks. Tourists are unlikely to go to areas where crime is that rampant.

But, you are obviously the expert: I just live here.

[Bimbowomxn]

Now see what you've done,

Bimbo is going to be convinced that 99% of all tourists to South Africa never make it back alive.

I think denying SA has a bit of a crime problem might be a stretch even for you.

And where did I say that?

Christ, Bimbo, you really are desperate.

Sure, we have a crime problem, but a huge proportion of crime in this country is inflicted on blacks by fellow blacks. Tourists are unlikely to go to areas where crime is that rampant.

But, you are obviously the expert: I just live here.

I’ve no idea why insurance is so high then.

Perfectly safe.

[Tichtheid]

Were the measurements wrong then ?

Read the updates

The devil is in the detail.......................

When 85% of the viruses found in laboratory tests were rhinoviruses, which are about four times smaller than SARS-CoV2, no conclusion from this article can be applied to COVID-19/SARS-CoV2.

Yup, and that is only part of the problem with posting that five year old study which is really not relevant to the current pandemic.

However, I'm sure that won't matter a jot.

[Bimbowomxn]

Let’s see what the Danish study says.


Or why the UK scientists were so sure about masks in April (there’s been no real controlled experiments since).


Masks (especially amateurs made and fitted cloth);, do nothing.

[Ovals]

Read the updates

The devil is in the detail.......................

When 85% of the viruses found in laboratory tests were rhinoviruses, which are about four times smaller than SARS-CoV2, no conclusion from this article can be applied to COVID-19/SARS-CoV2.

Yup, and that is only part of the problem with posting that five year old study which is really not relevant to the current pandemic.

However, I'm sure that won't matter a jot.

There's absolutely no point in discussing anything with the Dumbot - which is why I have him on ignore over here. But, occasionally, it's fun to take the piss out of him and the stupid stuff he comes up with.

[Bimbowomxn]

Another thing no-ones focussing on. If you read the SAGE minutes, they specifically state that the fact we continue to apply overlapping interventions makes it difficult, if not impossible, to asses which may be effective, and which aren’t.

[Insane_Homer]

20,330 new cases
241 deaths

[Bimbowomxn]

20,330 new cases
241 deaths

30,000 short of the predictions.....

[Bimbowomxn]

20,330 new cases
241 deaths

30,000 short of the predictions.....

Edit, and comparatively good news

[Insane_Homer]

Sir Patrick Vallance said that would be expected to lead to about "200-plus deaths per day" a month after that.

He got this wrong too

[Sandstorm]

Another thing no-ones focussing on. If you read the SAGE minutes, they specifically state that the fact we continue to apply overlapping interventions makes it difficult, if not impossible, to asses which may be effective, and which aren’t.

Are you now supporting the Sage meeting outputs?

[Bimbowomxn]

Sir Patrick Vallance said that would be expected to lead to about "200-plus deaths per day" a month after that.

He got this wrong too

Grasping at straws again, mr 50,000 ......


If though he’s correct is he going to alter the IFR rate wrongly assumed in the Govt models?

[Biffer]

The devil is in the detail.......................

Yup, and that is only part of the problem with posting that five year old study which is really not relevant to the current pandemic.

However, I'm sure that won't matter a jot.

There's absolutely no point in discussing anything with the Dumbot - which is why I have him on ignore over here. But, occasionally, it's fun to take the piss out of him and the stupid stuff he comes up with.

I have him on ignore too, but occasionally I feel the need to remind everyone that he's a cretin, just in case anyone new has wandered onto the board and doesn't know.

[Bimbowomxn]

Doesn’t stop me correcting biffers dribble.

[Insane_Homer]

Fanatically delusion. PS I'm not your once lauded Chris Whittey.

[Niegs]

I mean, youtube is normally a den of nutbars, but the sheer weight of anti-Covid safety measures following this news story about Halloween restrictions is staggering.



No comments here, but this includes a second doctor saying trick-or-treating should be 'low risk'. Is it though? Could you not have some superspreaders distributing Covid-covered candies? Parents could quarantine the candy for three days, I guess, but I'm sure some parents would end up dead by their kids' hands if that was attempted.

[Sandstorm]

Halloween trick or treating should be cancelled.

However most people only live for 7-11 months on Earth, so if they miss Halloween 2020 they’ll never get to see another one. Like comets.

[Enzedder]

Can the Lions tour and plan a proper All Blacks one. We won't infect your players.

[Sandstorm]

Can the Lions tour and plan a proper All Blacks one. We won't infect your players.

They’ll infect yours.

[Enzedder]

Can the Lions tour and plan a proper All Blacks one. We won't infect your players.

They’ll infect yours.

We can quarantine them in Australia afterwards. Mere details.

Wanna play?

[Sandstorm]

Can the Lions tour and plan a proper All Blacks one. We won't infect your players.

They’ll infect yours.

We can quarantine them in Australia afterwards. Mere details.

Wanna play?

If the Lions want a real challenge, maybe they should just tour France.

[Bimbowomxn]

Fanatically delusion. PS I'm not your once lauded Chris Whittey.

Indeed you’re a cheap agenda driven sensationalist repeating his nonsense like a government shrill.

A version of Piers Morgan without the personal charm

[Rinkals]

Fanatically delusion. PS I'm not your once lauded Chris Whittey.

Indeed you’re a cheap agenda driven sensationalist repeating his nonsense like a government shrill.

A version of Piers Morgan without the personal charm

If anyone is generating nonsense on here, it's you.

Homer is using figures and data to expose the hypocrisy in Johnson's government.

If you feel that the figures are wrong, then you should demonstrate where they err.

This "you hates us" schtick is weak and unappealing.

[Bimbowomxn]

Fanatically delusion. PS I'm not your once lauded Chris Whittey.

Indeed you’re a cheap agenda driven sensationalist repeating his nonsense like a government shrill.

A version of Piers Morgan without the personal charm

If anyone is generating nonsense on here, it's you.

Homer is using figures and data to expose the hypocrisy in Johnson's government.

If you feel that the figures are wrong, then you should demonstrate where they err.

This "you hates us" schtick is weak and unappealing.

I don’t need to demonstrate anything about the 50,000 cases a day . That much is obvious.

[Insane_Homer]

The shameless lack of self awareness is astounding & frighteningly comical.