Ghislaine Maxwell arrested

[Rhubarb & Custard]

If the Feds case against her is as strong as it looks, does she have any other choice than to try and get a plea deal?

I assume her defence will revolve around coercion and her inability to get a fair trial.

I assume in the first instance she'll cite her previously established immunity, if/when that goes I'd assume she'd become a witness and take a plea deal.

[dpedin]

Is this not the reason to why the prosecutor Berman was summarily sacked by Barr last month? Barr will have his own man in there to make sure the prosecution never touches the sides!

[frodder]

Piers Morgan is posting like mad on Twitter about all this. Getting a little defensive over his past

[Plato’sCave]

I think you missed the one at the Clinton wedding

[fishfoodie]

Piers Morgan is posting like mad on Twitter about all this. Getting a little defensive over his past

I'm sure his many, many friends will be leaping to Piers defense .......

We need a tumbleweed emoji !

[New guy]

I think we can all agree on one thing, Piers is almost certainly innocent.

If you had your own island, would you be inviting Piers Morgan to come over for the weekend? I think not.

[fishfoodie]

I think we can all agree on one thing, Piers is almost certainly innocent.

If you had your own island, would you be inviting Piers Morgan to come over for the weekend? I think not.

[Ymx]

How old was the girl who accused him of sleeping with her?

Was she an illegal age in the jurisdiction it took place?

On Netflix it wasnt just 1, it was multiple and some sub 15 from what i remember. Dont know if that is what she is charged with though

Really !!
You’re talking about Andrew not Epstein right?

[Sandstorm]

If she isn't confirmed as infected with Covid19 and in desperate need of a ventilator in 2 weeks time, I'll buy you all an island in the Caribbean.

[Chrysoprase]

Could we offer the Yanks Andy in return for Anne Sacoolas?

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Is this not the reason to why the prosecutor Berman was summarily sacked by Barr last month? Barr will have his own man in there to make sure the prosecution never touches the sides!

It's a possible reason. No way to know it's 'the' reason unless Barr wants to confirm and people can trust the answer, so no way to know

[Thor Sedan]

Loving eric trump making a complete tool of himself tweeting out a photo of the evil b***h at the Clinton wedding with the caption 'Birds of a feather....'

Only to be pounced on by the twitter mob with the numerous photos of daddy trump hanging out with them as well.

Ol' eric really is a dense lump isn't he.

[Hal Jordan]

The apple didn't fall far from the tree, he just lacks his father's hustling skills to cover up.

[Saint]

Does royalty save Andy? Don't think the Brits will allow him to be extradited.

I doubt even die hard Royals care about that piece of shit Andrew. The Queen may not like it but if there is irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing I'm not sure how they can wriggle out of it. Possibly claim diplomatic immunity but it would be a terrible look for the RF.

Honestly they should just feed him to the lions at this point. Fuck him.

He;s not entitled to immunity. The queen has "Sovereign Immunity", and if he had committed a criminal act while travelling with her, then he might have some sort of protection derived from that. But travelling by himself, he's liable. Whether the yanks can make anything stick, and if they even want to, is a whole other question. At this stage, Andrew could convincingly argue he has zero possibility of a fair trial

[Hugo]

Hopefully we can now get some clarity on the extent of Epstein's ring.

Just ask one of the girls who gave him a massage.

[Caley_Red]

Interesting response in the Speccie from Alan Dershowitz: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ell-i-know

He's adamant that he's done nothing wrong and has submitted evidence to attest to his innocence with regards to the Giuffre accusations. Actually pretty convincing in demonstrating outright falsehoods and inconsistencies in the accusations.

[Rinkals]

Loving eric trump making a complete tool of himself tweeting out a photo of the evil b***h at the Clinton wedding with the caption 'Birds of a feather....'

Only to be pounced on by the twitter mob with the numerous photos of daddy trump hanging out with them as well.

Ol' eric really is a dense lump isn't he.

That's a future President of the United States you are denigrating.

Or probably would have been, were it not for the timely arrival of covid.

[Hugo]

Interesting response in the Speccie from Alan Dershowitz: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ell-i-know

He's adamant that he's done nothing wrong and has submitted evidence to attest to his innocence with regards to the Giuffre accusations. Actually pretty convincing in demonstrating outright falsehoods and inconsistencies in the accusations.

Dershowitz is full of it. If he is sure of her innocence why is he even invoking the statute of limitations or bringing up the fact that she might have immunity from Epstein's plea deal? If she didn't do anything wrong why was that provision even in the deal?

The deal that Epstein got from the Florida state prosecutors was an insult. The actual crime that he even copped to was a really low level offense considering what he had actually done and he only had to post $3,000 bail. He wasn't even really imprisoned, he was free to go to his attorney's office, go home etc. and then just had to report back to that low security prison.

The Palm Beach PD (and the victims) were kept in the dark about the nature of the deal and in the first instance the prosecutors were not even co-operative with the Palm Beach Police Dept. or communicative with them. That is why the Police Chief wrote to the feds asking them to get involved because he did not feel that the states attorney was doing his job or being honest with him. He made dozens of calls to the state attorney that went unreturned.

Even if the Florida state attorney had done a proper job Epstein's team was an expensively assembled dream team that had unlimited resources to thwart a successful prosecution. They did underhand stuff like hiring lawyers to work for him that had associations with some of the government's lawyers so that they had to then excuse themselves from the prosecution due to potential conflicts of interest. They had private investigators tailing the police investigators, intimidating victims, going through their trash, stalking them. Epstein's was a classic case of someone avoiding accountability because they are wealthy and well connected.

[SaintK]

Good column from Marina Hyde
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... ce-andrew

[CrazyIslander]

Interesting response in the Speccie from Alan Dershowitz: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ell-i-know

He's adamant that he's done nothing wrong and has submitted evidence to attest to his innocence with regards to the Giuffre accusations. Actually pretty convincing in demonstrating outright falsehoods and inconsistencies in the accusations.

Dershowitz is full of it. If he is sure of her innocence why is he even invoking the statute of limitations or bringing up the fact that she might have immunity from Epstein's plea deal? If she didn't do anything wrong why was that provision even in the deal?

The deal that Epstein got from the Florida state prosecutors was an insult. The actual crime that he even copped to was a really low level offense considering what he had actually done and he only had to post $3,000 bail. He wasn't even really imprisoned, he was free to go to his attorney's office, go home etc. and then just had to report back to that low security prison.

The Palm Beach PD (and the victims) were kept in the dark about the nature of the deal and in the first instance the prosecutors were not even co-operative with the Palm Beach Police Dept. or communicative with them. That is why the Police Chief wrote to the feds asking them to get involved because he did not feel that the states attorney was doing his job or being honest with him. He made dozens of calls to the state attorney that went unreturned.

Even if the Florida state attorney had done a proper job Epstein's team was an expensively assembled dream team that had unlimited resources to thwart a successful prosecution. They did underhand stuff like hiring lawyers to work for him that had associations with some of the government's lawyers so that they had to then excuse themselves from the prosecution due to potential conflicts of interest. They had private investigators tailing the police investigators, intimidating victims, going through their trash, stalking them. Epstein's was a classic case of someone avoiding accountability because they are wealthy and well connected.

Agreed. I do think that the girls probably mistaken some things but there's no mistake that these guys had sex with underage girls solicited by Maxwell.

[CrazyIslander]

Good column from Marina Hyde
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... ce-andrew

Yeah it's a good article. However it mentioned the girl who Andy was with as 17 yrs old. I can sympathise with Andy not making the distinction between 17/18 yrs old.

[sturginho]

The apple didn't fall far from the tree, he just lacks his father's hustling skills to cover up.

It's amazing to think that he and Don Jr are even less smart than their old man :?

[clive]

This snivelling cunt Andrew would have been aware of underage sex that was going on, and still he kept in contact, did he sleep with underage girls its very likely, but the chances of him going on trial would be very unlikely, but what an event that would be trial of the century. If faced with a shorter sentence will Maxwell spill her guts,I think she just might.

[PCPhil]

Accidental death by nail varnish ingestion. .

[New guy]

Good column from Marina Hyde
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... ce-andrew

Yeah it's a good article. However it mentioned the girl who Andy was with as 17 yrs old. I can sympathise with Andy not making the distinction between 17/18 yrs old.

Maybe I'm a prude, but something doesn't seem right about a 30/40 year old man sleeping with a teenager, regardless of the age of consent.

Its especially creepy when its somebody in a position of power.

[CrazyIslander]

Good column from Marina Hyde
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... ce-andrew

Yeah it's a good article. However it mentioned the girl who Andy was with as 17 yrs old. I can sympathise with Andy not making the distinction between 17/18 yrs old.

Maybe I'm a prude, but something doesn't seem right about a 30/40 year old man sleeping with a teenager, regardless of the age of consent.

Its especially creepy when its somebody in a position of power.

But not illegal if it's age of consent.

[New guy]

Yeah it's a good article. However it mentioned the girl who Andy was with as 17 yrs old. I can sympathise with Andy not making the distinction between 17/18 yrs old.

Maybe I'm a prude, but something doesn't seem right about a 30/40 year old man sleeping with a teenager, regardless of the age of consent.

Its especially creepy when its somebody in a position of power.

But not illegal if it's age of consent.

Sure. I'd still strip him of his titles though.

[Sandstorm]

Those girls were still trafficked. 17 or 18 years old, don’t matter.

[CrazyIslander]

Maybe I'm a prude, but something doesn't seem right about a 30/40 year old man sleeping with a teenager, regardless of the age of consent.

Its especially creepy when its somebody in a position of power.

But not illegal if it's age of consent.

Sure. I'd still strip him of his titles though.

Fine, but you'd have to fvck Fergie too.

[notfatcat]

But not illegal if it's age of consent.

Sure. I'd still strip him of his titles though.

Fine, but you'd have to fvck Fergie too.

Deal!

[CrazyIslander]

Sure. I'd still strip him of his titles though.

Fine, but you'd have to fvck Fergie too.

Deal!

Sorry, I meant Camilla.

[Sandstorm]

Calling Fatcat

[Duff Paddy]

Good column from Marina Hyde
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... ce-andrew

Yeah it's a good article. However it mentioned the girl who Andy was with as 17 yrs old. I can sympathise with Andy not making the distinction between 17/18 yrs old.

Maybe I'm a prude, but something doesn't seem right about a 30/40 year old man sleeping with a teenager, regardless of the age of consent.

Its especially creepy when its somebody in a position of power.

Creepy for any guy of that age to be after young girls - positively idiotic of a high profile royal family member to be doing it. The guy is a creep.

[Duff Paddy]

Good column from Marina Hyde
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... ce-andrew

Yeah it's a good article. However it mentioned the girl who Andy was with as 17 yrs old. I can sympathise with Andy not making the distinction between 17/18 yrs old.

Actually the more you read this the worse it gets. It’s not like Andy was a 20 year old at the time.

[Caley_Red]

Interesting response in the Speccie from Alan Dershowitz: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ell-i-know

He's adamant that he's done nothing wrong and has submitted evidence to attest to his innocence with regards to the Giuffre accusations. Actually pretty convincing in demonstrating outright falsehoods and inconsistencies in the accusations.

Dershowitz is full of it. If he is sure of her innocence why is he even invoking the statute of limitations or bringing up the fact that she might have immunity from Epstein's plea deal? If she didn't do anything wrong why was that provision even in the deal?

The deal that Epstein got from the Florida state prosecutors was an insult. The actual crime that he even copped to was a really low level offense considering what he had actually done and he only had to post $3,000 bail. He wasn't even really imprisoned, he was free to go to his attorney's office, go home etc. and then just had to report back to that low security prison.

The Palm Beach PD (and the victims) were kept in the dark about the nature of the deal and in the first instance the prosecutors were not even co-operative with the Palm Beach Police Dept. or communicative with them. That is why the Police Chief wrote to the feds asking them to get involved because he did not feel that the states attorney was doing his job or being honest with him. He made dozens of calls to the state attorney that went unreturned.

Even if the Florida state attorney had done a proper job Epstein's team was an expensively assembled dream team that had unlimited resources to thwart a successful prosecution. They did underhand stuff like hiring lawyers to work for him that had associations with some of the government's lawyers so that they had to then excuse themselves from the prosecution due to potential conflicts of interest. They had private investigators tailing the police investigators, intimidating victims, going through their trash, stalking them. Epstein's was a classic case of someone avoiding accountability because they are wealthy and well connected.

These are questions that will only be answered in the fullness of time and within a court setting, my point was not on Maxwell but on Dershowitz.

I am not saying that Epstein or his plea deal isn't a disgrace: he is a sex offender and that plea deal was a rich man's justice but I am specifically talking about Dershowitz's aggressive defence (backed up by travel records, according to him). I am merely insinuating that, for his part of the story, there is clearly more to it than the Netflix documentary's presentation of the facts.

[brumbie_steve]

The brits extraditing a prince so that the americans can prosecute and put him in jail? Not a fucking chance.

[Ted.]

What I find is most despicable are the posters hiding behind new user names.

[troglodyte]

Andrew: the Paedophile formerly known as Prince

[The Druid]

RIP Ghislaine. Accidental death by drowning in a prison cell is very unlucky.

[Koalabyte]

Hope she sings long and hard. Bet she has recordings so I hope there are a lot of entitled peados shitting themselves now.