So, coronavirus...

[Ted.]

so what? people die if not from this, something else...

Let them eat cake eh?

Hardly, but we are going to have to learn to live with this virus there is no point in wringing our hands. Neither is there any point in trashing the economy to delay the deaths of a few octogenarians (ask them all the ones I know agree). Lockdowns seemingly are not the answer so where do we go from here? The whole lockdown thing is to prevent the over running of the NHS which didn't happen the first time I don't think its going to happen this time.

OS, from my perspective, you are either utterly mad or a sociopath.

Nor are the deaths confined only to a few octogenarians, so I can only conclude that you have been studiously avoiding all information on the virus and the disease it causes. The possible alternatives don't bear thinking about.

[Ted.]

In more news,

Covid-19: Immunity only lasts a few months, study finds
08:54, Oct 28 2020

Immunity to Covid-19 may only last a matter of months, according to research that could hinder the rollout of a successful vaccine.

The study by Imperial College London, which involved 365,000 people, found antibodies in the population fell by more than a quarter in three months.

Scientists said the findings suggested a “rapid” decline in immunity, which could mean that even if a successful vaccine was found, it might have to be administered as often as twice a year.

The mass research suggested that by last month, fewer than one in 20 people had developed antibodies to Covid-19.

...

Herd immunity looks like a total dead duck, with even vaccine acquired immunity looking doubtful. Let's hope it's a blip, or another type of vaccine will be more effective, rather than what we are actually facing. Can you imagine the next coronavirus roaring out a wet market near you, then the next and the next, we'll be like pin cushions.

[Openside]

Let them eat cake eh?

Hardly, but we are going to have to learn to live with this virus there is no point in wringing our hands. Neither is there any point in trashing the economy to delay the deaths of a few octogenarians (ask them all the ones I know agree). Lockdowns seemingly are not the answer so where do we go from here? The whole lockdown thing is to prevent the over running of the NHS which didn't happen the first time I don't think its going to happen this time.

OS, from my perspective, you are either utterly mad or a sociopath.

Nor are the deaths confined only to a few octogenarians, so I can only conclude that you have been studiously avoiding all information on the virus and the disease it causes. The possible alternatives don't bear thinking about.

I am neither mad or a sociopath, which reports am I ignoring.? I read that the average age of covid death is 82.5 if this bollocks fair enough.but that is what I read combined with 307 deaths under 60 without serious co morbidity. if these figures are true its you that is mad for accepting these draconian measures.

[Ted.]

Hardly, but we are going to have to learn to live with this virus there is no point in wringing our hands. Neither is there any point in trashing the economy to delay the deaths of a few octogenarians (ask them all the ones I know agree). Lockdowns seemingly are not the answer so where do we go from here? The whole lockdown thing is to prevent the over running of the NHS which didn't happen the first time I don't think its going to happen this time.

OS, from my perspective, you are either utterly mad or a sociopath.

Nor are the deaths confined only to a few octogenarians, so I can only conclude that you have been studiously avoiding all information on the virus and the disease it causes. The possible alternatives don't bear thinking about.

I am neither mad or a sociopath, which reports am I ignoring.? I read that the average age of covid death is 82.5 if this bollocks fair enough.but that is what I read combined with 307 deaths under 60 without serious co morbidity. if these figures are true its you that is mad for accepting these draconian measures.

An average obviously implies that there are different ages affected. Be that as it may, my comments around sociopathy were a reference to your apparent lack of empathy, in some circle seen a good trait, being right hard.

I am more than happy to accept the measures my government and health sector has put in place in the knowledge that his protected to the best of its abilities the vast majority of my countrymen. I am also happy that, while our economy has taken a hit, that we are economically relatively unscathed compared to where we would be if our measures had not been well measured to our situation, i.e. we had let the virus run more in our communities.

[Ted.]

... She said while scientific understanding of Covid-19 and better medical treatments or prevention were “obviously” important, the past year had shown that “frankly, we have methods that stop them [diseases], and if we used them we wouldn’t need drugs and vaccines”.

“The most important part of the [disease] triangle is how people respond.”
...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health ... ke-in-2019

[Turbster]

You sound surprised people are acting in an irrational poorly educated manner.

You are aware you live in the Middle East are you

You only needed to have referred to them as ragheads and you would have won stereotype bingo...
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Your word not mine. And I must be mistaken. Hadn't realised that much of recent Middle Eastern history has been characterised by high levels of rational and educated behavior.

Must have ducked out for the past 3000 years

You must think I'm a real dunce if you think that I never considered history, culture etc, when I first came here, but I'm no dunce and I'm ready to respect that not everyone lives within the labels given to them by the disrespectful and intolerant.
My disappointment lies in my acceptance that, for a time, things must change... and the disappointment that some cannot have respect for others and do the same.
And I guess, while I am 'pissed' at the attitudes here, is it any different in the USA or UK? No... so maybe check out their histories of "rational and educated behavior." Maybe not so smug now, hun?

[Insane_Homer]

Today's numbers

367 further deaths (1398 for the last 7 days)

22,885 Positive tests

That's a fudger

Tuesday 'ctach up' effect.

[Uncle fester]

Hardly, but we are going to have to learn to live with this virus there is no point in wringing our hands. Neither is there any point in trashing the economy to delay the deaths of a few octogenarians (ask them all the ones I know agree). Lockdowns seemingly are not the answer so where do we go from here? The whole lockdown thing is to prevent the over running of the NHS which didn't happen the first time I don't think its going to happen this time.

OS, from my perspective, you are either utterly mad or a sociopath.

Nor are the deaths confined only to a few octogenarians, so I can only conclude that you have been studiously avoiding all information on the virus and the disease it causes. The possible alternatives don't bear thinking about.

I am neither mad or a sociopath, which reports am I ignoring.? I read that the average age of covid death is 82.5 if this bollocks fair enough.but that is what I read combined with 307 deaths under 60 without serious co morbidity. if these figures are true its you that is mad for accepting these draconian measures.

OS is Dan Patrick?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03 ... andparents

[Uncle fester]

My colleagues in South Africa have been living in their plants since June in order to keep the oxygen going. Can you imagine how low morale is for workers there? Unless Europe gets to grips with it quickly, the same is coming to us.

Everybody is super focused on the deaths but the real concern has to be the longer term effects

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.networkworld.com/article/35 ... -cure.html

In its SARS-CoV-2 simulations, F@h first targeted the spike, the cone-shaped appendages on the surface of the virus consisting of three proteins. The spike must open to attach itself to a human cell to infiltrate and replicate. F@h's mission was to simulate this opening process to gain unique insight into what the open state looks like and find a way to inhibit the connection between the spike and human cells.

And it did so. In a newly published paper, the Folding@home team said it was able to simulate an "unprecedented" 0.1 seconds of the viral proteome. They captured dramatic opening of the spike complex, as well as shape-shifting in other proteins that revealed more than 50 "cryptic" pockets that expand targeting options for the design of antivirals.

[Insane_Homer]

28/10/20
Cases: 24,701
Deaths: 310 (up from 191 last Weds)

[Openside]

OS, from my perspective, you are either utterly mad or a sociopath.

Nor are the deaths confined only to a few octogenarians, so I can only conclude that you have been studiously avoiding all information on the virus and the disease it causes. The possible alternatives don't bear thinking about.

I am neither mad or a sociopath, which reports am I ignoring.? I read that the average age of covid death is 82.5 if this bollocks fair enough.but that is what I read combined with 307 deaths under 60 without serious co morbidity. if these figures are true its you that is mad for accepting these draconian measures.

An average obviously implies that there are different ages affected. Be that as it may, my comments around sociopathy were a reference to your apparent lack of empathy, in some circle seen a good trait, being right hard.

I am more than happy to accept the measures my government and health sector has put in place in the knowledge that his protected to the best of its abilities the vast majority of my countrymen. I am also happy that, while our economy has taken a hit, that we are economically relatively unscathed compared to where we would be if our measures had not been well measured to our situation, i.e. we had let the virus run more in our communities.

My empathy is displayed by caring for all age groups health, wealth and general well being not just the over 80's most at risk (who seem to want to get on with life) I am well aware how averages work, you seemingly less so, for the average age to be so high there can be very few young people dying.

[Openside]

OS, from my perspective, you are either utterly mad or a sociopath.

Nor are the deaths confined only to a few octogenarians, so I can only conclude that you have been studiously avoiding all information on the virus and the disease it causes. The possible alternatives don't bear thinking about.

I am neither mad or a sociopath, which reports am I ignoring.? I read that the average age of covid death is 82.5 if this bollocks fair enough.but that is what I read combined with 307 deaths under 60 without serious co morbidity. if these figures are true its you that is mad for accepting these draconian measures.

OS is Dan Patrick?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03 ... andparents

Its not like they need to volunteer

[sockwithaticket]

I am neither mad or a sociopath, which reports am I ignoring.? I read that the average age of covid death is 82.5 if this bollocks fair enough.but that is what I read combined with 307 deaths under 60 without serious co morbidity. if these figures are true its you that is mad for accepting these draconian measures.

An average obviously implies that there are different ages affected. Be that as it may, my comments around sociopathy were a reference to your apparent lack of empathy, in some circle seen a good trait, being right hard.

I am more than happy to accept the measures my government and health sector has put in place in the knowledge that his protected to the best of its abilities the vast majority of my countrymen. I am also happy that, while our economy has taken a hit, that we are economically relatively unscathed compared to where we would be if our measures had not been well measured to our situation, i.e. we had let the virus run more in our communities.

My empathy is displayed by caring for all age groups health, wealth and general well being not just the over 80's most at risk (who seem to want to get on with life) I am well aware how averages work, you seemingly less so, for the average age to be so high there can be very few young people dying.

The non-octogenarians who get it severely enough to be hospitalised are likely to suffer long term, even permanent lung damage and respiratory problems. There are people still nowhere near their previous physical capabilities months after having 'survived'.

[Openside]

There are all sorts of terrible illnesses we get and those badly affected are desperately unlucky, is that enough to turn the whole country upside down? I am someone Who is moderate risk.

[Uncle fester]

You don't understand the risk here. Second wave of Spanish influenza is the one that killed the most people.

Why?
Because it mutated into a more deadly form.
By letting Covid run rampant, we're giving the virus maximum chances of developing an even more dangerous strain.
And we're also giving it maximum chance of overwhelming national health systems.

[Sandstorm]

You don't understand the risk here. Second wave of Spanish influenza is the one that killed the most people.

Why?
Because it mutated into a more deadly form.
By letting Covid run rampant, we're giving the virus maximum chances of developing an even more dangerous strain.
And we're also giving it maximum chance of overwhelming national health systems.

But what about pub landlords?

[C69]

Macron going for another month long total lockdown.

Scaremongering no doubt.

The UK is again fecked as well. Err sorry to scaremonger.

[Uncle fester]

You don't understand the risk here. Second wave of Spanish influenza is the one that killed the most people.

Why?
Because it mutated into a more deadly form.
By letting Covid run rampant, we're giving the virus maximum chances of developing an even more dangerous strain.
And we're also giving it maximum chance of overwhelming national health systems.

But what about pub landlords?

Thoughts and prayers.

[Openside]

You don't understand the risk here. Second wave of Spanish influenza is the one that killed the most people.

Why?
Because it mutated into a more deadly form.
By letting Covid run rampant, we're giving the virus maximum chances of developing an even more dangerous strain.
And we're also giving it maximum chance of overwhelming national health systems.

the virus hasn't mutated though?

[Jb1981]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54723962

Nearly 100,000 people are catching coronavirus every day in England, a major analysis suggests.

The study, by Imperial College London, says the pace of the epidemic is accelerating and estimates the number of people infected is now doubling every nine days.

Nearly 100,000 cases a day in England alone according this study. Has the mathematical possibility of this been discussed by this boreds resident expert?

[Jb1981]

You don't understand the risk here. Second wave of Spanish influenza is the one that killed the most people.

Why?
Because it mutated into a more deadly form.
By letting Covid run rampant, we're giving the virus maximum chances of developing an even more dangerous strain.
And we're also giving it maximum chance of overwhelming national health systems.

the virus hasn't mutated though?

Nor had the Spanish influenza, until it did. Uncle fester is commenting on risk.

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54723962

Nearly 100,000 people are catching coronavirus every day in England, a major analysis suggests.

The study, by Imperial College London, says the pace of the epidemic is accelerating and estimates the number of people infected is now doubling every nine days.

Nearly 100,000 cases a day in England alone according this study. Has the mathematical possibility of this been discussed by this boreds resident expert?

Happy to have a flounce bet with you that we don’t get to 49,000 cases a day in October.

[Saint]

You don't understand the risk here. Second wave of Spanish influenza is the one that killed the most people.

Why?
Because it mutated into a more deadly form.
By letting Covid run rampant, we're giving the virus maximum chances of developing an even more dangerous strain.
And we're also giving it maximum chance of overwhelming national health systems.

the virus hasn't mutated though?

Not yet, no. And Coronaviruses tend to be slow to mutate. But the greater the number of infections, the greater the chance.

[Sandstorm]

That was only an example of a flounce bet.

[Insane_Homer]

That was only an example of a flounce bet.

It's the example of him stating it wouldn't get to 50,000 in October, he was very, very sure of that.

As for flounce, he's not posted here in days, too busy spamming PR trying to justify that kids should go hungry.

[Insane_Homer]

https://goodlawproject.org/news/special ... -channels/

Leaked documents seen by Good Law Project set out special pathways by which “VIP” and “Cabinet Office” contacts could be awarded lucrative PPE contracts at the height of the pandemic – and at inflated prices.
Lord Bethell, a junior Health Minister, promised that “suppliers will be evaluated by Departmental officials on their financial standing.” But questions arose over how enormous contracts came to be awarded to dormant or new entities and those of dubious financial standing including:

• PPE Medpro won two contracts worth over £200m to supply PPE to the NHS. The £100 company, set up by the former business associate of Conservative peer Baroness Mone, won the contract just seven weeks after it was set up.
  
  SG Recruitment UK Limited, a staffing agency, won two PPE contracts worth over £50m, despite auditors raising concerns about its solvency. Tory Peer Lord Chadlington sits on the Board of its parent company, Sumner Group Holdings Limited.
  
  P14 Medical Limited, controlled by former Conservative Councillor Steve Dechan, who stood down in August this year, was awarded three contracts worth over £276m despite having negative £485,000 in net assets.

The leaked documents disclose that special procurement channels – outside the normal process – were set up for VIPs.

[Sandstorm]

Extreme measures during extreme times. Nothing to see here.

[C69]

That was only an example of a flounce bet.

It's the example of him stating it wouldn't get to 50,000 in October, he was very, very sure of that.

As for flounce, he's not posted here in days, too busy spamming PR trying to justify that kids should go hungry.

We will have to see if he is a man and sticks to the flounce.
A year or 10 should do tbh.

[DAC]

Covid-19 84

[Uncle fester]

You don't understand the risk here. Second wave of Spanish influenza is the one that killed the most people.

Why?
Because it mutated into a more deadly form.
By letting Covid run rampant, we're giving the virus maximum chances of developing an even more dangerous strain.
And we're also giving it maximum chance of overwhelming national health systems.

the virus hasn't mutated though?

There's been over 12,000 mutations.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6

[C69]

Not too sure what signoficance 12,000 mutations means tbh.
However it puts OS posts on this matter into pwespective.

[Northern Lights]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54723962

Nearly 100,000 people are catching coronavirus every day in England, a major analysis suggests.

The study, by Imperial College London, says the pace of the epidemic is accelerating and estimates the number of people infected is now doubling every nine days.

Nearly 100,000 cases a day in England alone according this study. Has the mathematical possibility of this been discussed by this boreds resident expert?

Well this sounds more like Imperial doubling down, people arent scared enough of 50,000 a day so let's double it and see if we can get them shitting themselves at 100,000 per day and yet we have done lots of tests and it is everywhere in ever age group, be afraid, be very afraid.

[Sandstorm]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54723962

Nearly 100,000 people are catching coronavirus every day in England, a major analysis suggests.

The study, by Imperial College London, says the pace of the epidemic is accelerating and estimates the number of people infected is now doubling every nine days.

Nearly 100,000 cases a day in England alone according this study. Has the mathematical possibility of this been discussed by this boreds resident expert?

Well this sounds more like Imperial doubling down, people arent scared enough of 50,000 a day so let's double it and see if we can get them shitting themselves at 100,000 per day and yet we have done lots of tests and it is everywhere in ever age group, be afraid, be very afraid.

You sound like Bimbot

[Tichtheid]

I've seen this suggestion several times now, that the numbers are all about spreading fear, but I can't for the life of me figure out what would be the purpose of spreading this fear?

From two opposite sides I can see the point in Project Fear when it comes to Brexit and Scottish independence, you want to influence the electorate to shy way from voting for something you want to avoid, that is all very obvious.

I'm all ears as to why lockdowns and numbers of infections are being used to spread to spread fear, as opposed to being tools against the spread of the virus.

[yermum]

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news ... oided.html

A really interesting article very well illustrated showing the analysis of three covid spreading incidents that were well documented.

top tip avoid air conditioned spaces.

[Biffer]

I've seen this suggestion several times now, that the numbers are all about spreading fear, but I can't for the life of me figure out what would be the purpose of spreading this fear?

From two opposite sides I can see the point in Project Fear when it comes to Brexit and Scottish independence, you want to influence the electorate to shy way from voting for something you want to avoid, that is all very obvious.

I'm all ears as to why lockdowns and numbers of infections are being used to spread to spread fear, as opposed to being tools against the spread of the virus.

It only really starts to make sense if you buy into some of the more loony conspiracy theories about control of society.

[Sandstorm]

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news ... oided.html

A really interesting article very well illustrated showing the analysis of three covid spreading incidents that were well documented.

top tip avoid air conditioned spaces.

That's a top article

[Openside]

Not too sure what signoficance 12,000 mutations means tbh.
However it puts OS posts on this matter into pwespective.

Its still the same strain, I assume they have detected 12,000 minuscule variations in the virus around the globe.

c69 you are at the cutting edge surely you knew all about these 12,000 mutations (that no one is talking about)

[Insane_Homer]

29/10/20
Cases: 23,065
Deaths: 280 (up from 189 last thurs)