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Article in full below of Jones' plan to 'introduce' hybrid players for the England team. I think Jones is desperate for recognition and praise that he's smarter than everyone else. We see this all the time in his selections and press conferences, it's a narcissistic flaw that he has. There is a reason Italy used Bergamasco as a scrum-half, because Italy don't have a large player pool. Australia have moved players around different positions for years for the same reason.

As for the reference to the 'false' 9, that wasn't a new tactic either or even a new idea. It's really just a sweeper playing at the opposite end of the pitch with an attacking brief rather than a defensive brief.


Eddie Jones, the coach who claims to hate experiments, has raised the possibility of starting with nine forwards and six backs in England’s Autumn Nations Cup opener against Georgia.

The England head coach has frequently mentioned his ambition to introduce “hybrid” players who are equally comfortable playing in the backs and forwards. Exeter wing Jack Nowell and Bristol back row Ben Earl have been name-checked as possible candidates for that transition.

As fanciful as that might seem, Jones has previously put that theory into practice while in charge of Japan. For their match against the powerful Georgians before the 2015 World Cup, Jones started No 8 Hendrik Tui on the wing. Japan won 13-10 and clearly Jones has not forgotten its effectiveness. He also points to the example of Pep Guardiola whose introduction of a false nine at Barcelona overthrew the tactical orthodoxy in football.

“It worked brilliantly (for Japan), we won and the previous time we played them we got pumped,” Jones said. “It might be out again. We will wait and see. Maybe Ben Earl (could do it). There are a number of guys we are trying to make into hybrid players.

“We have got to look at how we keep improving the game. The tradition says that you have eight forwards and seven backs. That seems right and is probably right but there’s no reason why we can’t look at it. Barcelona beat Manchester United in the 2011 Champions League final and they played the false nine.

“There’s no reason why you can’t do that in rugby whether you play a false 10 or a false winger and create a different position. We are looking to do that. We know to become the team that we want to become we have got to keep improving and looking for an edge. These ideas are things we take seriously and to see how we can improve the side. Maybe the Georgia game is an opportunity to play a different way.”

Whether that is blue-sky thinking or mischief making remains to be seen. Changes are guaranteed for the Georgia match after wing Anthony Watson was ruled out with an ankle injury, while the experienced duo of Joe Marler and Elliot Daly have returned to the 36-man squad.

There is an understandable clamour for Jones to let loose some of his more inexperienced players such as uncapped Wasps flanker Jack Willis and centre Ollie Lawerence who could fill the power void left by the injured Manu Tuilagi. Georgia are in the midst of a massive transition since the World Cup and lost 48-7 to Scotland two weeks ago. While they would represent a softish introduction to Test rugby, Jones is determined to zig where others want him to zag.

“Being an old-school principal, kids started in year seven, they worked hard, they had to do a year 12 leaving exam,” Jones said. “If they did well at that, they got into university. If you get into university you study hard, you get your undergraduate, you go for a masters and maybe a PHD. Test match rugby is a PHD. Everyone has got to earn their spot. We're not giving out caps willy-nilly, that's not the way we do it.

“Ollie is good enough to be in the 23 – that is pretty good. We will see how he handles every exam. He has got a few more exams to do. Manu, at the last count I had, he was a 50-Test player who played exceptionally well in a World Cup. Ollie is a 0.25 Test player. Making that comparison is like comparing Don Bradman to Jimmy Anderson (in batting averages).”

Given that he handed four players – Lawrence, Ollie Thorley, Tom Dunn and Jonny Hill, who started – their debuts against Italy, Jones is hardly a reactionary barrier to progress. After all, he fast-tracked flanker Tom Curry into the team when he was still a teenager. But more than any coach who has been in Twickenham hotseat, Jones will not be swayed by who is flavour of the month among the wider rugby public.

“It is all about earning the opportunity,” Jones said. “We are a team that is about how hard you work to get the opportunity. If we think young players are working hard enough to get an opportunity then we will give it to them.

“How quickly they adapt to the training environment is the number one thing for us. Every time we train it’s a grading session. We want to grade the players from 1 to 36. See where they sit. Some people are growing and some people are shrinking. If someone grows to the extent that they are above an established player then we’ll select them.

“It’s just a matter of how quickly they can adapt. Some adapt very quickly and some not so quickly. We’ve had some players who have been in camp for 12 months before they’ve got a game, and other players who have got a game after a week. That’s one of the most fascinating parts of the job.”
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Could we class Sam Burgess as a hybrid player? That worked well :wtf:.
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This is mostly Eddie toying with the press.

That said, I've long thought that if we want a crash ball 12 we could do a lot worse than sticking one of our quicker back rowers there. Someone like Earl definitely has better hands than people who've previously occupied that spot for England (Barritt, Noon etc.).
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England have such strength in depth that they can easily afford to do this againat lower teir teams.

Wales will find it hard to even beat these teams with their best XV atm tbh
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:46 am This is mostly Eddie toying with the press.

That said, I've long thought that if we want a crash ball 12 we could do a lot worse than sticking one of our quicker back rowers there. Someone like Earl definitely has better hands than people who've previously occupied that spot for England (Barritt, Noon etc.).
Why stick someone there is is firstly unfamiliar to the position, and secondly who is smaller than most who already occupy that role such as Tuilagi (ok so he is crocked for now) Ollie Lawrence who is a decent size, or even dare i say it Farrell.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:46 am This is mostly Eddie toying with the press.

That said, I've long thought that if we want a crash ball 12 we could do a lot worse than sticking one of our quicker back rowers there. Someone like Earl definitely has better hands than people who've previously occupied that spot for England (Barritt, Noon etc.).

Sinkler and vunopola have better hands than Noon .....
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ASMO wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:02 am
sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:46 am This is mostly Eddie toying with the press.

That said, I've long thought that if we want a crash ball 12 we could do a lot worse than sticking one of our quicker back rowers there. Someone like Earl definitely has better hands than people who've previously occupied that spot for England (Barritt, Noon etc.).
Why stick someone there is is firstly unfamiliar to the position, and secondly who is smaller than most who already occupy that role such as Tuilagi (ok so he is crocked for now) Ollie Lawrence who is a decent size, or even dare i say it Farrell.
Earl is bigger than Lawrence or Farrell I believe (maybe shorter than Farrell, but still more powerful). Lawrence and Tuilagi are 13s anyway.

I think eddie is just messing with the press. Have you all forgotten the Nowell at 7 comments? He wants to play with positions, like in some lineouts you stick a backrower out in the 12 channel for defence/crashball. I can't see it being any different here. If you have a back that's not needed in the play, you can swap him in the set piece with a forward and mix it up a bit, present the defence with a different picture.

Take Naiyaravoro, he's basically an 8, that plays wing. He's been used off the back of the scrum on occasion, but he changes the picture effectively.
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ASMO wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:02 am
sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:46 am This is mostly Eddie toying with the press.

That said, I've long thought that if we want a crash ball 12 we could do a lot worse than sticking one of our quicker back rowers there. Someone like Earl definitely has better hands than people who've previously occupied that spot for England (Barritt, Noon etc.).
Why stick someone there is is firstly unfamiliar to the position, and secondly who is smaller than most who already occupy that role such as Tuilagi (ok so he is crocked for now) Ollie Lawrence who is a decent size, or even dare i say it Farrell.
I'm not saying as first choice, but outside Farrell we don't have many 12s and framkly I'm willing to explore anything that could see us shot of the narky, limited, risky-tackling bell.

Tuilagi and Slade are 13s doing a job at 12 due to the paucity of options. Lawrence has potential, but he also has one hell of an injury record for such a young man and could end up being the next Sinbad. Devoto ain't so young anymore and isn't locked in as a starter for Chiefs while also being prone to picking up injuries and after that we've got... Francis?
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Bimbowomxn wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:02 am
sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:46 am This is mostly Eddie toying with the press.

That said, I've long thought that if we want a crash ball 12 we could do a lot worse than sticking one of our quicker back rowers there. Someone like Earl definitely has better hands than people who've previously occupied that spot for England (Barritt, Noon etc.).

Sinkler and vunopola have better hands than Noon .....
Admittedly, that's a low bar to clear.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:46 am This is mostly Eddie toying with the press.

That said, I've long thought that if we want a crash ball 12 we could do a lot worse than sticking one of our quicker back rowers there. Someone like Earl definitely has better hands than people who've previously occupied that spot for England (Barritt, Noon etc.).

As a former 12 myself, I can see why people think it's just a case of run hard, catch the ball and power on to take the ball up but it isn't quite that simple. There are instincts that players have from developing in certain positions and you can't just switch those off and on. Thinking time is often measured in milliseconds.

I just hate the Jones bullshit.
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And all the other shit about high school certificates, degrees and PhDs as well. He's given 70-odd caps to a scrumhalf who is still being held back in kindergarten for fucks sake.
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If anyone can pull it off, Jones can.
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Kawazaki wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:59 am
sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:46 am This is mostly Eddie toying with the press.

That said, I've long thought that if we want a crash ball 12 we could do a lot worse than sticking one of our quicker back rowers there. Someone like Earl definitely has better hands than people who've previously occupied that spot for England (Barritt, Noon etc.).

As a former 12 myself, I can see why people think it's just a case of run hard, catch the ball and power on to take the ball up but it isn't quite that simple. There are instincts that players have from developing in certain positions and you can't just switch those off and on. Thinking time is often measured in milliseconds.

I just hate the Jones bullshit.
Glad someone with experience has said this! "Crash ball centre" makes me cringe... whether it's thinking that's all big 12s do or teams that pick talent-light lugs to do only that.

I'm all for innovation in the game, but something like Nowell to flank is something you do at club level when you don't have options or you want to squeeze all your best players onto the pitch and maybe play a different game (I've done this at the women's level, where our tight five was massive and two speedy backrowers allowed us to play a relentlessly fast game out wide).

... but Eddie could just, oh I don't know, pick Sam Simmonds if he wanted a mobile, quick, skilled back rower!

Come up with a strategy that deploys your mobile, powerful forwards in freer, back-like roles rather than in predictable, static pods that are passed the ball in such a way that the defence is already halfway in their faces before they receive it.
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I would actually like to see Nowell in the center, he has all the attributes in spades, for me he doesnt have the top end gas for an international winger so i see this as his long term position.
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Does anyone think he’s anticipating a reduction in squad numbers and substitutes?

I know it’s something that gets floated occasionally as a possible way to depower the game.
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These outdated myths about Georgia keep circulating every year. The golden era of Georgian forwards is gone. It started in 2003 and ended in 2015. Now it's all mobile fellows who have been through the U21 World Cup. The selection at the youth level has also shifted from Gargantuan dinosaurs to more technically adept players.

I for one am not a fan of this change. You can teach a big bloke to pass but you can't teach a smaller bloke to grow tall. Catching up to the Top 10 in skill level will take decades but having a strength advantage (Mauls, Scrums, Tackles) made our games so much better and gave us that much more chance for an upset here and there. In 2011 we managed to keep England close and even make the first half very exciting solely because we had some brutal giants playing, not because of fancy passing and footwork. This time around the game will be over in the first 15 minutes, and it will stay the same way until our union realizes that you need to play to your cultural/genetic strengths and not be copycat kiwis. Last time I checked there were no Maoris and Pacific Islanders in Georgia to run rings around 6N teams, but we have tall broad shouldered motherfuckers dozen a dime, use the fuckers ffs. /rant over

TL;DR Georgia sacrificed strength for technique and it's not paying off at all. except at the U21 level.
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FullbackAce wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:52 pm These outdated myths about Georgia keep circulating every year. The golden era of Georgian forwards is gone. It started in 2003 and ended in 2015. Now it's all mobile fellows who have been through the U21 World Cup. The selection at the youth level has also shifted from Gargantuan dinosaurs to more technically adept players.

I for one am not a fan of this change. You can teach a big bloke to pass but you can't teach a smaller bloke to grow tall. Catching up to the Top 10 in skill level will take decades but having a strength advantage (Mauls, Scrums, Tackles) made our games so much better and gave us that much more chance for an upset here and there. In 2011 we managed to keep England close and even make the first half very exciting solely because we had some brutal giants playing, not because of fancy passing and footwork. This time around the game will be over in the first 15 minutes, and it will stay the same way until our union realizes that you need to play to your cultural/genetic strengths and not be copycat kiwis. Last time I checked there were no Maoris and Pacific Islanders in Georgia to run rings around 6N teams, but we have tall broad shouldered motherfuckers dozen a dime, use the fuckers ffs. /rant over

TL;DR Georgia sacrificed strength for technique and it's not paying off at all. except at the U21 level.
Why the apparent change - deliberate or result of changing demographics?

I'm all for different teams having the confidence to play their way well and keep some differentiation in playing styles. Forcing the oppo to deal with big lugs up-front can such the defence in so that there are more gaps across the field for the backs to run at.
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ASMO wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:30 pm I would actually like to see Nowell in the center, he has all the attributes in spades, for me he doesnt have the top end gas for an international winger so i see this as his long term position.
Does Nowell have the passing game to play as centre and open things up around him?

He's a great finisher: put him 5 yards out with 1 or 2 to beat, and I'd back him over other England wingers to do it 9 times out of 10. I always thought he'd make a good fullback not unlike 2012 Mike Brown, coming into the line on attack and seems to have the defensive positional sense. Maybe not enough speed for the covering role in defence?
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Woddy wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:25 am
ASMO wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:30 pm I would actually like to see Nowell in the center, he has all the attributes in spades, for me he doesnt have the top end gas for an international winger so i see this as his long term position.
Does Nowell have the passing game to play as centre and open things up around him?

He's a great finisher: put him 5 yards out with 1 or 2 to beat, and I'd back him over other England wingers to do it 9 times out of 10. I always thought he'd make a good fullback not unlike 2012 Mike Brown, coming into the line on attack and seems to have the defensive positional sense. Maybe not enough speed for the covering role in defence?
Pretty sure he does, and he si definately as good as the current incumbents.
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Someone with decent hands who is also very useful at the breakdown strikes me as a coach's dream
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I've got a novel idea...

Why don't England pick the best English players playing in England in their normal/best position when they are in form?

I know it sounds radical but it might work.
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Kawazaki wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:46 am I've got a novel idea...

Why don't England pick the best English players playing in England in their normal/best position when they are in form?

I know it sounds radical but it might work.
Don't be silly, that's far too simple!!!
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Kawazaki wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:46 am I've got a novel idea...

Why don't England pick the best English players playing in England in their normal/best position when they are in form?

I know it sounds radical but it might work.
As a general rule, I absolutely agree with you. I wouldn't dream of, for example, putting Nowell in as a centre for England without him showing his abilities there for Exeter or whoever first. However, some people can play more than one position well or can develop over time to suit a different position or playing style, viz. Nonu. So it's worth thinking about. Similarly, considering different strategies on the field from the norm, just as Jones is apparently doing.
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Kawazaki wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:46 am I've got a novel idea...

Why don't England pick the best English players playing in England in their normal/best position when they are in form?

I know it sounds radical but it might work.
I’m glad you’ve finally seen the light.

Shame we never got to see

12. Erinle
13. Foden
14. Tuilagi.
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It's not like we're even short of talent at 13 to need to crowbar a winger in there - Tuilagi, Slade, JJ, Marchant, Daly even, plus a host of kids lining up.
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Choc wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:58 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:46 am I've got a novel idea...

Why don't England pick the best English players playing in England in their normal/best position when they are in form?

I know it sounds radical but it might work.
I’m glad you’ve finally seen the light.

Shame we never got to see

12. Erinle
13. Foden
14. Tuilagi.
Erinle was just a big lump, he was a less talented version of Luther Burrell
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Woddy wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:20 am Why the apparent change - deliberate or result of changing demographics?

I'm all for different teams having the confidence to play their way well and keep some differentiation in playing styles. Forcing the oppo to deal with big lugs up-front can such the defence in so that there are more gaps across the field for the backs to run at.
A little bit of both. The golden generation was 70s/80s, kids, when the Georgian population was around 8million(5+3 across the USSR) and they grew up in a relatively peaceful healthy atmosphere. The new generation grew up in the 90s, the population of 4mil, a completely destroyed poverty-stricken country so we shouldn't expect any more Gorgodze's and Zirakishvilis for the time being.

From the coaching standpoint, they absolutely changed the youth structure to emphasize technical ability which is good because we have more mobile, versatile forwards but they're in the lower weight class which affects our strength upfront. Basically, we're trying to play like the kiwis but with far meager resources.
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FullbackAce wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:24 pm
Woddy wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:20 am Why the apparent change - deliberate or result of changing demographics?

I'm all for different teams having the confidence to play their way well and keep some differentiation in playing styles. Forcing the oppo to deal with big lugs up-front can such the defence in so that there are more gaps across the field for the backs to run at.
A little bit of both. The golden generation was 70s/80s, kids, when the Georgian population was around 8million(5+3 across the USSR) and they grew up in a relatively peaceful healthy atmosphere. The new generation grew up in the 90s, the population of 4mil, a completely destroyed poverty-stricken country so we shouldn't expect any more Gorgodze's and Zirakishvilis for the time being.

From the coaching standpoint, they absolutely changed the youth structure to emphasize technical ability which is good because we have more mobile, versatile forwards but they're in the lower weight class which affects our strength upfront. Basically, we're trying to play like the kiwis but with far meager resources.
Very sorry hear that life expectations have dived so badly. A human geography book I had as a kid told me that Georgia had the highest average life expectancy in the world at the time (late '70s / early '80s).

While it's good to play like the ABs when you can, you should do so if you can. After all, they have not always been a running, all-court side.
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Choc wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:58 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:46 am I've got a novel idea...

Why don't England pick the best English players playing in England in their normal/best position when they are in form?

I know it sounds radical but it might work.
I’m glad you’ve finally seen the light.

Shame we never got to see

12. Erinle
13. Foden
14. Tuilagi.

Erinle was a 13. In 2004/5 he was the best 13 in England. Unplayable at times. He got capped in 2009. Remember the England incumbent was Mike 'crowbar tits-for-hands carthorse' Tindall throughout this period. The Ben Youngs of his era.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:46 am This is mostly Eddie toying with the press.

That said, I've long thought that if we want a crash ball 12 we could do a lot worse than sticking one of our quicker back rowers there. Someone like Earl definitely has better hands than people who've previously occupied that spot for England (Barritt, Noon etc.).
You would think that but remember him messing around with the "back 5 of the pack" idea and putting everybody in sub-optimal positions?
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I've watched most the interview now. It's 100% Eddie mucking around. Though i wouldn't put it past him to have a 6/2 split and try it for the last 20 for giggles.
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Raggs wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:26 pm I've watched most the interview now. It's 100% Eddie mucking around. Though i wouldn't put it past him to have a 6/2 split and try it for the last 20 for giggles.
Ollie Thorley has been playing at flanker in scrummage and lineout practice in training this week
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SaintK wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:02 pm
Raggs wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:26 pm I've watched most the interview now. It's 100% Eddie mucking around. Though i wouldn't put it past him to have a 6/2 split and try it for the last 20 for giggles.
Ollie Thorley has been playing at flanker in scrummage and lineout practice in training this week
This week, or this open training session just to poke fun at the press?

And the truth is. I don't have an issue with that even if he has. If he's shown good aptitude for securing rucks, or making tackles, it changes the picture the opposition sees, it suddenly means there's a bigger carrier somewhere else, a bigger tackler etc. Now you've got a winger breaking off the inside to potentially have a pop ball from the first up carry from the lineout etc. Do it against Georgia a few times, and then you're wasting France's time as they look at what they'll do to defend it should we try it against them.
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Raggs wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:18 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:02 pm
Raggs wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:26 pm I've watched most the interview now. It's 100% Eddie mucking around. Though i wouldn't put it past him to have a 6/2 split and try it for the last 20 for giggles.
Ollie Thorley has been playing at flanker in scrummage and lineout practice in training this week
This week, or this open training session just to poke fun at the press?

And the truth is. I don't have an issue with that even if he has. If he's shown good aptitude for securing rucks, or making tackles, it changes the picture the opposition sees, it suddenly means there's a bigger carrier somewhere else, a bigger tackler etc. Now you've got a winger breaking off the inside to potentially have a pop ball from the first up carry from the lineout etc. Do it against Georgia a few times, and then you're wasting France's time as they look at what they'll do to defend it should we try it against them.


This is test rugby, the much more likely scenario is you will have a winger contesting rucks against players that have been doing it as second-nature since they were 10 years old. It's highly likely the winger will get smashed/outwitted/outfought. And besides, Jones is coaching England ffs, not a country where rugby is played in a few universities and ex-pat clusters where decent players are difficult to come by.
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Since it's been bumped up again.

Ireland using their winger in the lineout to change the picture, pass back inside and score a try.



It's not new, but when combined with Eddie winding the press up in the earlier press conference, it gets them all talking about some stupid little detail, and basically writing exactly what Eddie wants the writing. He's a master of leading them around by the nose, whilst his team can get on with their jobs/lives without having to panic about the press.
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Raggs wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:20 am
It's not new, but when combined with Eddie winding the press up in the earlier press conference, it gets them all talking about some stupid little detail, and basically writing exactly what Eddie wants the writing. He's a master of leading them around by the nose, whilst his team prepare to bore the shit out of everyone and kick the ball literally every time they get possession of it. Literally every fucking time.


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Kawazaki wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:44 am
Raggs wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:20 am
It's not new, but when combined with Eddie winding the press up in the earlier press conference, it gets them all talking about some stupid little detail, and basically writing exactly what Eddie wants the writing. He's a master of leading them around by the nose, whilst his team prepare to bore the shit out of everyone and kick the ball literally every time they get possession of it. Literally every fucking time.


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