The Brexit Thread

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I hear in addition that the UK doesn't have a port big enough to cope with world wide trade and will have to continue using Rotterdam

Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.

No we're going to be independent, it's has been said and obviously so shall it be done. If the rescue is going to come from Boris the Builder he might need to get a wriggle on

[Bimbowomxn]

I hear in addition that the UK doesn't have a port big enough to cope with world wide trade and will have to continue using Rotterdam

Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.

No we're going to be independent, it's has been said and obviously so shall it be done. If the rescue is going to come from Boris the Builder he might need to get a wriggle on

Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense ..... uncleared and transferred goods is what the two big ports do. They’re big free trade not EU trade areas.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.

No we're going to be independent, it's has been said and obviously so shall it be done. If the rescue is going to come from Boris the Builder he might need to get a wriggle on

Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense ..... uncleared and transferred goods is what the two big ports do. They’re big free trade not EU trade areas.

So we're going to be independent by being dependent and Rotterdam isn't in the EU, and that's what you think makes sense?

[Insane_Homer]

So Claire Fox robustly defended the government's Internal Market Bill in the Lords last night only to then accidentally vote against it - helping defeat the very bill she'd spoken so passionately in defence of. November just keeps getting better.

[dpedin]

No we're going to be independent, it's has been said and obviously so shall it be done. If the rescue is going to come from Boris the Builder he might need to get a wriggle on

Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense ..... uncleared and transferred goods is what the two big ports do. They’re big free trade not EU trade areas.

So we're going to be independent by being dependent and Rotterdam isn't in the EU, and that's what you think makes sense?

Join the cult, it makes life easier if you don't actually have to question or explain all this fuckwhittery! Remember .. sunny uplands.

[Tichtheid]

I hear in addition that the UK doesn't have a port big enough to cope with world wide trade and will have to continue using Rotterdam

Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.

When I posed the link yesterday it wasn't paywalled, but it is now.

The point is that the UK doesn't have the infrastructure to host big boats, not anything near it. After Brexit the big boats will still go to Rotterdam, but according to that FT article up to half of the Netherlands €40bn goods exports to the UK come from third countries. After Brexit this trade will have to go directly to the UK (where we don't have a single port capable of hosting the boats) or we will continue to use Rotterdam, ie the goods will have to pass through two borders, EU and then UK.

Under EU law all plant or animal products must be checked entering or leaving the single market. The article states

When such checks are carried out at Rotterdam, the lorry driver must get out of the vehicle and sit in a waiting room. The container is opened by the veterinary inspector, the temperature of the product is checked, and health certificates are verified and stamped.

On average this process takes half an hour, but sometimes samples are sent to a lab, delaying shipments for substantially longer. These are the procedures that British goods could face after Brexit.

In effect you're doubling that workload for UK-bound goods.


The countries in the EU who take smaller boat deliveries don't face that obstacle because they are in the single market, that is one of the reasons why many of these people who are now Brexit Ultras initially said they would never dream of leaving the single market, describing that course of action as "madness".

[Bimbowomxn]

I hear in addition that the UK doesn't have a port big enough to cope with world wide trade and will have to continue using Rotterdam

Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.

When I posed the link yesterday it wasn't paywalled, but it is now.

The point is that the UK doesn't have the infrastructure to host big boats, not anything near it. After Brexit the big boats will still go to Rotterdam, but according to that FT article up to half of the Netherlands €40bn goods exports to the UK come from third countries. After Brexit this trade will have to go directly to the UK (where we don't have a single port capable of hosting the boats) or we will continue to use Rotterdam, ie the goods will have to pass through two borders, EU and then UK.

Under EU law all plant or animal products must be checked entering or leaving the single market. The article states

When such checks are carried out at Rotterdam, the lorry driver must get out of the vehicle and sit in a waiting room. The container is opened by the veterinary inspector, the temperature of the product is checked, and health certificates are verified and stamped.

On average this process takes half an hour, but sometimes samples are sent to a lab, delaying shipments for substantially longer. These are the procedures that British goods could face after Brexit.

In effect you're doubling that workload for UK-bound goods.


The countries in the EU who take smaller boat deliveries don't face that obstacle because they are in the single market, that is one of the reasons why many of these people who are now Brexit Ultras initially said they would never dream of leaving the single market, describing that course of action as "madness".

It’s nonsense though, the model being put into Rotterdam is sub Panamax deliver for UK based goods.

Also nonsense considering Felixstowe takes the largest boats in the world. Capacity is the current issue in Felixstowe. Associated British ports have exercised 2bln of land options around Felixstowe and Immingham in the last 2years,

The goods just won’t be customs cleared in the Netherlands and will be delivered customs sealed.

The FT should pay more attention.

[Bimbowomxn]

Under EU law all plant or animal products must be checked entering or leaving the single market. The article states

This just isn’t true. I currently am working to import coffee and cocoa. The checks are not made on every load at every port. It’s just a silly premise.

[Bimbowomxn]

The countries in the EU who take smaller boat deliveries don't face that obstacle because they are in the single market, that is one of the reasons why many of these people who are now Brexit Ultras initially said they would never dream of leaving the single market, describing that course of action as "madness".

You and the article are both choosing to ignore that goods for onwards delivery outside of the single market are moved onwards being uncleared for EU customs. This is occurring right now for goods changing boat for deliveries from Asia to the North African market.

It’s like everyone just ignores Singapore’s existence and how Rotterdam and Antwerp operate.

[Tichtheid]

Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.

When I posed the link yesterday it wasn't paywalled, but it is now.

The point is that the UK doesn't have the infrastructure to host big boats, not anything near it. After Brexit the big boats will still go to Rotterdam, but according to that FT article up to half of the Netherlands €40bn goods exports to the UK come from third countries. After Brexit this trade will have to go directly to the UK (where we don't have a single port capable of hosting the boats) or we will continue to use Rotterdam, ie the goods will have to pass through two borders, EU and then UK.

Under EU law all plant or animal products must be checked entering or leaving the single market. The article states

When such checks are carried out at Rotterdam, the lorry driver must get out of the vehicle and sit in a waiting room. The container is opened by the veterinary inspector, the temperature of the product is checked, and health certificates are verified and stamped.

On average this process takes half an hour, but sometimes samples are sent to a lab, delaying shipments for substantially longer. These are the procedures that British goods could face after Brexit.

In effect you're doubling that workload for UK-bound goods.


The countries in the EU who take smaller boat deliveries don't face that obstacle because they are in the single market, that is one of the reasons why many of these people who are now Brexit Ultras initially said they would never dream of leaving the single market, describing that course of action as "madness".

It’s nonsense though, the model being put into Rotterdam is sub Panamax deliver for UK based goods.

Also nonsense considering Felixstowe takes the largest boats in the world. Capacity is the current issue in Felixstowe. Associated British ports have exercised 2bln of land options around Felixstowe and Immingham in the last 2years,

The goods just won’t be customs cleared in the Netherlands and will be delivered customs sealed.

The FT should pay more attention.

Well, by my reckoning they've got seven weeks to free up capacity at Felixstowe and build the infrastructure required on those land options, or the scenario outlined in the article will come into play.

[Bimbowomxn]

Well, by my reckoning they've got seven weeks to free up capacity at Felixstowe and build the infrastructure required on those land options, or the scenario outlined in the article will come into play.

The schedules of the large boats are near fixed for the next year or so.

The scenario Described as I’ve pointed out is a nonsense story. Rotterdam Have been building up their sub Panamax to UK ports for 2 years now. The customs status of the good (except for small amounts of shared containers flow) will not be an issue.

And as I’ve said the idea all “plant products “ are checked is silly.

You clearly haven’t any idea the scale that the ports operate on and how automated most of them are.

[Tichtheid]

Importing plants and plant products from the EU from 1 January 2021

High-priority plants and plant products from the EU must have:

a phytosanitary (health) certificate (PC)
a pre-notification submitted by the importer in England, Scotland or Wales
documentary and identity checks
a physical inspection

You will not have to pay for these services.

Inspection fees for EU imports will apply in England and Wales from 1 April 2021.

The plant types on this list include:

all plants for planting
ware potatoes
some seed and timber
used agricultural or forestry machinery

etc

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/importing-a ... nuary-2021


https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 32004L0103

[Tichtheid]

As an anecdote, it's thought that Dutch Elm disease is being caught from imported logs

[Bimbowomxn]

As an anecdote, it's thought that Dutch Elm disease is being caught from imported logs

Imports from the EU which currently arrive into GB with an EU plant passport will instead need a phytosanitary certificate from 1 January 2021.

A replacement....

[dpedin]

Blonde Bumblecunt forgets, or omits if I am less charitable, that he and Biden discussed Brexit in their telephone call! Thankfully the US President Elect office remembered. I suspect the BB has had a firm but clear shot over his bows and is now shitting himself. Await propaganda campaign now to soften blow for Brexit Ultras that a deal is being agreed and it doesn't meet their 'sunny uplands' vision. The Tory party slow implosion will accelerate from here on in.

[lilyw]

Also nonsense considering Felixstowe takes the largest boats in the world.

You sure about that? I know that they did 5 years ago but I don't think that it's true any more.

[westport]

Also nonsense considering Felixstowe takes the largest boats in the world.

You sure about that? I know that they did 5 years ago but I don't think that it's true any more.

It seems they do according to their website

The Port of Felixstowe is Britain’s biggest and busiest container port, and one of the largest in Europe.

The port handles more than 4million TEUs (Twenty-foot Equivalent Units) and welcomes approximately 3,000 ships each year, including the largest container vessels afloat today – crucially, the port provides some of the deepest water close to the open sea of any European port. Around 17 shipping lines operate from Felixstowe, offering 33 services to and from over 700 ports around the world.

[Bimbowomxn]

Also nonsense considering Felixstowe takes the largest boats in the world.

You sure about that? I know that they did 5 years ago but I don't think that it's true any more.

Boats got bigger?

[lilyw]

Also nonsense considering Felixstowe takes the largest boats in the world.

You sure about that? I know that they did 5 years ago but I don't think that it's true any more.

Boats got bigger?

Yep.

[Bimbowomxn]

You sure about that? I know that they did 5 years ago but I don't think that it's true any more.

Boats got bigger?

Yep.

Width ? Draft ? Weight ? Cause it isn’t length.


https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/busi ... -1-3982227

[Rhubarb & Custard]

So the RHA remain hugely concerned both with the lack of a deal being presented and that the lack of a deal stops many UK companies undertaking normal trading, and then with the pandemic that the lorry parks, or cages as they've taken to calling them, simply don't allow for social distancing such is the governmental concern for what the government states to be essential frontline workers. Luckily No.10 is busy with political infighting

[Bimbowomxn]

So the RHA remain hugely concerned both with the lack of a deal being presented and that the lack of a deal stops many UK companies undertaking normal trading, and then with the pandemic that the lorry parks, or cages as they've taken to calling them, simply don't allow for social distancing such is the governmental concern for what the government states to be essential frontline workers. Luckily No.10 is busy with political infighting

They’re in fucking Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

[Longshanks]

So the RHA remain hugely concerned both with the lack of a deal being presented and that the lack of a deal stops many UK companies undertaking normal trading, and then with the pandemic that the lorry parks, or cages as they've taken to calling them, simply don't allow for social distancing such is the governmental concern for what the government states to be essential frontline workers. Luckily No.10 is busy with political infighting

They’re in Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

[Insane_Homer]

[Insane_Homer]

thread!

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 20990.html

Brexit: Fresh border chaos fears as ‘haulier handbook’ to prevent meltdown on 1 January is delayed

A “haulier handbook” to prevent Brexit border meltdown on 1 January has been delayed and will not be ready for another month, it has been revealed.

The guide to the mountain of new red tape required to transport goods was promised in early September – but will now not be available in full until 7 December, little more than three weeks before it is needed.

Logistics UK, which represents freights group, warned time is running out to prevent “lorry queues at Dover and empty shelves in Northern Ireland”, when the transition period ends in just 50 days’ time.

“With the economy still reeling from handling the impact of Covid-19, the last thing UK PLC needs is another major shock of our own making,” said Elizabeth de Jong, its director of policy.

[tabascoboy]

So the RHA remain hugely concerned both with the lack of a deal being presented and that the lack of a deal stops many UK companies undertaking normal trading, and then with the pandemic that the lorry parks, or cages as they've taken to calling them, simply don't allow for social distancing such is the governmental concern for what the government states to be essential frontline workers. Luckily No.10 is busy with political infighting

They’re in Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

They aren't going to spend every second inside their cab though. They need to piss and shit / eat / drink / wash; so the facilities haver to allow for hundreds trapped in a lorry park to observe social distancing.

[Tichtheid]

They’re in Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

They aren't going to spend every second inside their cab though. They need to piss and shit / eat / drink / wash; so the facilities haver to allow for hundreds trapped in a lorry park to observe social distancing.

The Farage Garage is supposed to hold up to two thousand lorries.

[tabascoboy]

I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

They aren't going to spend every second inside their cab though. They need to piss and shit / eat / drink / wash; so the facilities haver to allow for hundreds trapped in a lorry park to observe social distancing.

The Farage Garage is supposed to hold up to two thousand lorries.

Oh yes, 1 700, but it's OK as they're putting in porta loos

[Longshanks]

They’re in Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

They aren't going to spend every second inside their cab though. They need to piss and shit / eat / drink / wash; so the facilities haver to allow for hundreds trapped in a lorry park to observe social distancing.

You can argue that with Bimbo, I can't be bothered
It was a funny reply though.

[sturginho]

They aren't going to spend every second inside their cab though. They need to piss and shit / eat / drink / wash; so the facilities haver to allow for hundreds trapped in a lorry park to observe social distancing.

The Farage Garage is supposed to hold up to two thousand lorries.

Oh yes, 1 700, but it's OK as they're putting in porta loos

Can't wait for them to add this feature to Euro Truck Simulator

[dpedin]

They’re in Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

They aren't going to spend every second inside their cab though. They need to piss and shit / eat / drink / wash; so the facilities haver to allow for hundreds trapped in a lorry park to observe social distancing.

Doh! They do need facilities if they are there for any length of time. Alternatively they are all from 'up north' so the Tory plans is ...

Alternatively we can issue them with an empty oil barrel for al fresco cooking (N they need to break up their own pallets for fuel), a litre of water for washing (probably too much?) and a couple of empty plastic coke bottles and chinese carry out container for their ablutions? We can get the local food bank to deliver grub or else there is a real business opportunity for a Deliveroo cyclist? We can stick a mobile mast in the middle to make sure they can stream uninterrupted porn and get Accrington Stanley games live. Sunny uplands?

[tabascoboy]

Can't wait for them to add this feature to Euro Truck Simulator

it'll be in the next beta

[Rhubarb & Custard]

So the RHA remain hugely concerned both with the lack of a deal being presented and that the lack of a deal stops many UK companies undertaking normal trading, and then with the pandemic that the lorry parks, or cages as they've taken to calling them, simply don't allow for social distancing such is the governmental concern for what the government states to be essential frontline workers. Luckily No.10 is busy with political infighting

They’re in Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

I actually don't know what the emoji is intended to convey, but if either of you are suggesting they should simply stay in their cabs that's a little harsh. This isn't something the government have had no time to respond to, Brexit is years old as an issue and Covid is getting on for a year old in terms of dating reasonable actions the government could have been taking.

Perhaps the solution is to simply order all drivers to remain in their cabs bar taking a piss/shit and having a wash, but it's not exactly respectful of people.

[Longshanks]

So Boris says the UK will thrive even without an EU deal, Micheál Martin says the UK will be in ruins.

I tend to think both are talking rubbish

[tabascoboy]

So Boris says the UK will thrive even without an EU deal, Micheál Martin says the UK will be in ruins.

I tend to think both are talking rubbish

Tories to busy arguing amongst themselves right now, doesn't really help

Lee Cain: Top Boris Johnson aide quits amid infighting at No 10

One of Boris Johnson's closest aides, director of communications Lee Cain, has resigned amid reports of internal tensions in Downing Street.

He will leave next month, despite being offered a promotion to chief of staff.

His departure prompted speculation about the future of the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings, but the BBC was told he would stay for now.

Mr Cain has been at the PM's side since he was a press officer for the Vote Leave campaign under Mr Cummings.

[Sandstorm]

thread!

Fuck. That lays it all out in black and tar-coloured shit. Yay for Brexit!

Cunts

[Longshanks]

So Boris says the UK will thrive even without an EU deal, Micheál Martin says the UK will be in ruins.

I tend to think both are talking rubbish

Just to add
That's probably the same views as most on here have

[Bimbowomxn]

Perhaps the solution is to simply order all drivers to remain in their cabs bar taking a piss/shit and having a wash, but it's not exactly respectful of people.

Or they could just maybe ...... not all turn up at once for a shit. What on earth do people think lorry drivers do when they’re on a ferry for example, ?

[Bimbowomxn]

thread!

Dance jester dance.......


All seriousness his main point regarding WHT was in place when we were members of the EU. So no actual change.