The Brexit Thread

[Sandstorm]

thread!

Dance jester dance.......


All seriousness his main point regarding WHT was in place when we were members of the EU. So no actual change.

Fuck, you'll literally argue the smallest, single part of a 25 point statement and still claim Brexit is a win.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Perhaps the solution is to simply order all drivers to remain in their cabs bar taking a piss/shit and having a wash, but it's not exactly respectful of people.

Or they could just maybe ...... not all turn up at once for a shit. What on earth do people think lorry drivers do when they’re on a ferry for example, ?

Not as a standard get stuck in the Farage Garage for an undetermined length of time. If we can tell them all in advance worst case there'll be there for 3-4 hours that's one thing, if they might be having to hang around much longer and not know how much that much longer is then asking them to simply isolate in their cabs seems much less pleasant. Having some concern for others might be something you're simply not going to worry about in this, but it shouldn't be a surprise if others are

[Rinkals]

Perhaps the solution is to simply order all drivers to remain in their cabs bar taking a piss/shit and having a wash, but it's not exactly respectful of people.

Or they could just maybe ...... not all turn up at once for a shit. What on earth do people think lorry drivers do when they’re on a ferry for example, ?

Not as a standard get stuck in the Farage Garage for an undetermined length of time. If we can tell them all in advance worst case there'll be there for 3-4 hours that's one thing, if they might be having to hang around much longer and not know how much that much longer is then asking them to simply isolate in their cabs seems much less pleasant. Having some concern for others might be something you're simply not going to worry about in this, but it shouldn't be a surprise if others are

I think you're asking Bimbo to step waaaaay outside his comfort zone.

[Sandstorm]

Or they could just maybe ...... not all turn up at once for a shit. What on earth do people think lorry drivers do when they’re on a ferry for example, ?

Not as a standard get stuck in the Farage Garage for an undetermined length of time. If we can tell them all in advance worst case there'll be there for 3-4 hours that's one thing, if they might be having to hang around much longer and not know how much that much longer is then asking them to simply isolate in their cabs seems much less pleasant. Having some concern for others might be something you're simply not going to worry about in this, but it shouldn't be a surprise if others are

I think you're asking Bimbo to step waaaaay outside his comfort zone.

Yup, his expertise is empty warehousing.

[sturginho]

So Boris says the UK will thrive even without an EU deal, Micheál Martin says the UK will be in ruins.

I tend to think both are talking rubbish

Tories to busy arguing amongst themselves right now, doesn't really help

Lee Cain: Top Boris Johnson aide quits amid infighting at No 10

One of Boris Johnson's closest aides, director of communications Lee Cain, has resigned amid reports of internal tensions in Downing Street.

He will leave next month, despite being offered a promotion to chief of staff.

His departure prompted speculation about the future of the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings, but the BBC was told he would stay for now.

Mr Cain has been at the PM's side since he was a press officer for the Vote Leave campaign under Mr Cummings.

Whilst I'd not shed a tear to see the vote leave crew kicked to the curb, the idea that it's Boris' girlfriend who is calling the shots doesn't exactly fill me with hope either (she's an unelected girlfriend after all)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-row.html

[Rhubarb & Custard]

So Boris says the UK will thrive even without an EU deal, Micheál Martin says the UK will be in ruins.

I tend to think both are talking rubbish

Tories to busy arguing amongst themselves right now, doesn't really help

Lee Cain: Top Boris Johnson aide quits amid infighting at No 10

One of Boris Johnson's closest aides, director of communications Lee Cain, has resigned amid reports of internal tensions in Downing Street.

He will leave next month, despite being offered a promotion to chief of staff.

His departure prompted speculation about the future of the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings, but the BBC was told he would stay for now.

Mr Cain has been at the PM's side since he was a press officer for the Vote Leave campaign under Mr Cummings.

Whilst I'd not shed a tear to see the vote leave crew kicked to the curb, the idea that it's Boris' girlfriend who is calling the shots doesn't exactly fill me with hope either (she's an unelected girlfriend after all)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-row.html

Who though is telling the press that Carrie is having any such influence? 'cause at a guess it's the boy's club around No.10 who've backed leave so strongly, and so you can either see this as a concerning influence on Boris, or the casual misogyny of the vote leave boys club who think a suitable response is to put pressure on Boris by going after Carrie.

[sturginho]

Who though is telling the press that Carrie is having any such influence? 'cause at a guess it's the boy's club around No.10 who've backed leave so strongly, and so you can either see this as a concerning influence on Boris, or the casual misogyny of the vote leave boys club who think a suitable response is to put pressure on Boris by going after Carrie.

fair point

EDIT: though at least some of it is coming from Tory MPs who are happy to see Cummins losing influence

[Bimbowomxn]

thread!

Dance jester dance.......


All seriousness his main point regarding WHT was in place when we were members of the EU. So no actual change.

Fuck, you'll literally argue the smallest, single part of a 25 point statement and still claim Brexit is a win.

He didn’t claim 25 separate points ffs. You’ll literally defend anything anti brexit. I can address most of his “moans” but I don’t actually care, we cannot cancel a democratic vote because Howard’s a bit miffed about extra forms.

[Sandstorm]

we cannot cancel a democratic vote because Howard’s a bit miffed about extra forms.

Too late to cancel, but not too late for you to admit you were dead wrong about border admin.

[Bimbowomxn]

we cannot cancel a democratic vote because Howard’s a bit miffed about extra forms.

Too late to cancel, but not too late for you to admit you were dead wrong about border admin.

Well, Howard’s upset doesn’t actually mean I was wrong about Border admin at all. The company I work for are more than relaxed about their procedures and were processing 500 plus containers a week ...... maybe we are just a bit better than Howard.

[Slick]

we cannot cancel a democratic vote because Howard’s a bit miffed about extra forms.

Too late to cancel, but not too late for you to admit you were dead wrong about border admin.

Well, Howard’s upset doesn’t actually mean I was wrong about Border admin at all. The company I work for are more than relaxed about their procedures and were processing 500 plus containers a week ...... maybe we are just a bit better than Howard.

“Work for”

[Bimbowomxn]

Too late to cancel, but not too late for you to admit you were dead wrong about border admin.

Well, Howard’s upset doesn’t actually mean I was wrong about Border admin at all. The company I work for are more than relaxed about their procedures and were processing 500 plus containers a week ...... maybe we are just a bit better than Howard.

“Work for”

Oh how sweet.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Who though is telling the press that Carrie is having any such influence? 'cause at a guess it's the boy's club around No.10 who've backed leave so strongly, and so you can either see this as a concerning influence on Boris, or the casual misogyny of the vote leave boys club who think a suitable response is to put pressure on Boris by going after Carrie.

fair point

EDIT: though at least some of it is coming from Tory MPs who are happy to see Cummins losing influence

For sure there's more than one thing going on, including some of those Tory MPs even agreeing with Cummy on many issues, they just don't like their own lack of access to No.10. This one mind has all the hallmarks of a Gove leak, and if it walks like Gove and looks like Gove it might just be a duck, and he does love a leak. He's a bright enough person is Gove, he just doesn't seem to understand human interaction on any level.

[fishfoodie]

Who though is telling the press that Carrie is having any such influence? 'cause at a guess it's the boy's club around No.10 who've backed leave so strongly, and so you can either see this as a concerning influence on Boris, or the casual misogyny of the vote leave boys club who think a suitable response is to put pressure on Boris by going after Carrie.

fair point

EDIT: though at least some of it is coming from Tory MPs who are happy to see Cummins losing influence

For sure there's more than one thing going on, including some of those Tory MPs even agreeing with Cummy on many issues, they just don't like their own lack of access to No.10. This one mind has all the hallmarks of a Gove leak, and if it walks like Gove and looks like Gove it might just be a duck, and he does love a leak. He's a bright enough person is Gove, he just doesn't seem to understand human interaction on any level.

He's the prime candidate for all the intrigue in the Cabinet; mostly because he's the only one with any intellect, & he's a total slime ball. He wants to be the next PM, & everything just follows from that.

It's a few months now since he made, very public, reports that the UK wouldn't be ready for January 1st; & then Liz Truss follows up with reports that her Dept won't have all the Trade deals that were promised, ready for January 1st.

He knows the UK isn't ready for Brexit; he knew that months ago; & he's trying to shield himself, fro when the brexit shit, hits the fan.

[Rinkals]

Well, Howard’s upset doesn’t actually mean I was wrong about Border admin at all. The company I work for are more than relaxed about their procedures and were processing 500 plus containers a week ...... maybe we are just a bit better than Howard.

“Work for”

Oh how sweet.

You really don't understand humour, do you?

He's mimicking your own tactic of using insignificant details of a person's post to discredit the entire substance.

He's essentially mocking you.

Despite your claim to be English, the fact that you fail to grasp humour gives rise to the suspicion that you are an Eastern European plant inserted to undermine rational discussions. I'm not sure that your grasp of English is all that complete, either.

(I'm joking, by the way)

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Well there you go. What I took from that is the chap spends so much time being right on the internet you wouldn't think it likely they'd have a job.

[Insane_Homer]

Cummins and the other berk leaving is because they're not going to get their orchestrated no-deal Brexshit because Johnson is about to fold in the EU negotiations and do a last minute deal.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I get Cummings leaving because of that, I don't see how Boris sneaks a deal past the ERG, especially not after making himself politically much weaker these last weeks/months

[Insane_Homer]

I get Cummings leaving because of that, I don't see how Boris sneaks a deal past the ERG, especially not after making himself politically much weaker these last weeks/months

God forbid they deliver a deal that we were told was going to be the easiest in history by Liam Fox.

In 2016, Richard Tice said that it would be ILLEGAL for the EU not to conclude a deal with us, and that Brexit voters could be reassured that almost nothing would change economically.

Gove: "No one voted for a no deal"

"No deal" didn't exist as concept until after the vote.

[Biffer]

I get Cummings leaving because of that, I don't see how Boris sneaks a deal past the ERG, especially not after making himself politically much weaker these last weeks/months

He doesn’t have to sneak it past them. Some kind of deal is better than no deal if it makes border transits easier, so Labour, Libs, SNP will get it through.

And he’s not interested in re-election or being PM for very much longer.

[Bimbowomxn]

I get Cummings leaving because of that, I don't see how Boris sneaks a deal past the ERG, especially not after making himself politically much weaker these last weeks/months

God forbid they deliver a deal that we were told was going to be the easiest in history by Liam Fox.

In 2016, Richard Tice said that it would be ILLEGAL for the EU not to conclude a deal with us, and that Brexit voters could be reassured that almost nothing would change economically.

Gove: "No one voted for a no deal"

"No deal" didn't exist as concept until after the vote.

See your point about Cummings going is probably and sadly correct regarding the deal.

This point above is ludicrous considering we did leave with a deal this year. It’s the WA that people are saying is sacrosanct.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Is the thinking there, and I use the term loosely, because we had a deal that means we'll have a deal?

[Bimbowomxn]

Is the thinking there, and I use the term loosely, because we had a deal that means we'll have a deal?

Clearly not. It’s that the WA is a deal. Unless of course we’re still discussing all the things agreed in it.


The huge mistake made by May was accepting the separate procedures , everything else stems from that.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Is the thinking there, and I use the term loosely, because we had a deal that means we'll have a deal?

Clearly not. It’s that the WA is a deal. Unless of course we’re still discussing all the things agreed in it.


The huge mistake made by May was accepting the separate procedures , everything else stems from that.

So because of the withdrawal agreement we can't leave with no deal in a few weeks? Doesn't that seem like at best you're having a semantic debate on the terminology being used, which is fair enough I guess, but isn't going to much change the general usage of 'no deal' in the event we exit transition with, well, no deal.

[Bimbowomxn]

Is the thinking there, and I use the term loosely, because we had a deal that means we'll have a deal?

Clearly not. It’s that the WA is a deal. Unless of course we’re still discussing all the things agreed in it.


The huge mistake made by May was accepting the separate procedures , everything else stems from that.

So because of the withdrawal agreement we can't leave with no deal in a few weeks? Doesn't that seem like at best you're having a semantic debate on the terminology being used, which is fair enough I guess, but isn't going to much change the general usage of 'no deal' in the event we exit transition with, well, no deal.

Again, clearly not. We left the EU with a deal, it’s called the Withdrawl Agreement and covers huge amounts of legalities except for preferential trade agreements.

This time last year “no deal “ referred to the WA, this isn’t a semantic it’s a fact that the remain establishment moved the term on to the exclusive trade deal.

Trade with the EU continues whether there’s a trade deal or not.

Now anything else you want to try and misinterpret be my guest, I’ve been clear here what was meant and described it in crayon for you.

[Tichtheid]

Trade with the EU continues whether there’s a trade deal or not.

... with added tariffs, quotas and administration

WTO is a default, not something to aspire to

[Longshanks]

Trade with the EU continues whether there’s a trade deal or not.

... with added tariffs, quotas and administration

WTO is a default, not something to aspire to

Don't worry Boris has blinked. No hard Brexit.
Get Brexit done my arse.
We all know he only supported Brexit so he could be PM.

[sturginho]

I get Cummings leaving because of that, I don't see how Boris sneaks a deal past the ERG, especially not after making himself politically much weaker these last weeks/months

He doesn't need to does he? The "meaningful vote" gubbins was only for the Withdrawal agreement?

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I get Cummings leaving because of that, I don't see how Boris sneaks a deal past the ERG, especially not after making himself politically much weaker these last weeks/months

He doesn't need to does he? The "meaningful vote" gubbins was only for the Withdrawal agreement?

He does if he wants to survive in the role. And he might like to pass the odd bit of legislation

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Clearly not. It’s that the WA is a deal. Unless of course we’re still discussing all the things agreed in it.


The huge mistake made by May was accepting the separate procedures , everything else stems from that.

So because of the withdrawal agreement we can't leave with no deal in a few weeks? Doesn't that seem like at best you're having a semantic debate on the terminology being used, which is fair enough I guess, but isn't going to much change the general usage of 'no deal' in the event we exit transition with, well, no deal.

Again, clearly not. We left the EU with a deal, it’s called the Withdrawl Agreement and covers huge amounts of legalities except for preferential trade agreements.

This time last year “no deal “ referred to the WA, this isn’t a semantic it’s a fact that the remain establishment moved the term on to the exclusive trade deal.

Trade with the EU continues whether there’s a trade deal or not.

Now anything else you want to try and misinterpret be my guest, I’ve been clear here what was meant and described it in crayon for you.

It's the 'a semantic' which makes it poetry. Best probably just to stick each other on ignore and get on with doing something more interesting instead

[Bimbowomxn]

So because of the withdrawal agreement we can't leave with no deal in a few weeks? Doesn't that seem like at best you're having a semantic debate on the terminology being used, which is fair enough I guess, but isn't going to much change the general usage of 'no deal' in the event we exit transition with, well, no deal.

Again, clearly not. We left the EU with a deal, it’s called the Withdrawl Agreement and covers huge amounts of legalities except for preferential trade agreements.

This time last year “no deal “ referred to the WA, this isn’t a semantic it’s a fact that the remain establishment moved the term on to the exclusive trade deal.

Trade with the EU continues whether there’s a trade deal or not.

Now anything else you want to try and misinterpret be my guest, I’ve been clear here what was meant and described it in crayon for you.

It's the 'a semantic' which makes it poetry. Best probably just to stick each other on ignore and get on with doing something more interesting instead

Yeah, that’s meaningless pretty much like your opinion regarding “deal”. I won’t put you on ignore though as I’ll occasionally correct with facts the rubbish you post.

[sturginho]

I get Cummings leaving because of that, I don't see how Boris sneaks a deal past the ERG, especially not after making himself politically much weaker these last weeks/months

He doesn't need to does he? The "meaningful vote" gubbins was only for the Withdrawal agreement?

He does if he wants to survive in the role. And he might like to pass the odd bit of legislation

sorry, my question was does there even need to be a vote? Because I didn't think there did. The "Meaningful Vote" on the W.A. was written in law that ti had to be held, for the future deal I don't believe there is any such thing

[Biffer]

Trade with the EU continues whether there’s a trade deal or not.

... with added tariffs, quotas and administration

WTO is a default, not something to aspire to

Don't worry Boris has blinked. No hard Brexit.
Get Brexit done my arse.
We all know he only supported Brexit so he could be PM.

I wouldn't be so sure. He might have left it too late. The EU aren't in the mood to rush something through just to make him look competent. I don't think there's any way that an agreement, if they manage to get one, will be ratified by all 27 parliaments before 31 Dec. And there is no option to extend the current arrangement without again going back to all 27 parliaments (because it's a treaty change).

[fishfoodie]

... with added tariffs, quotas and administration

WTO is a default, not something to aspire to

Don't worry Boris has blinked. No hard Brexit.
Get Brexit done my arse.
We all know he only supported Brexit so he could be PM.

I wouldn't be so sure. He might have left it too late. The EU aren't in the mood to rush something through just to make him look competent. I don't think there's any way that an agreement, if they manage to get one, will be ratified by all 27 parliaments before 31 Dec. And there is no option to extend the current arrangement without again going back to all 27 parliaments (because it's a treaty change).

I don't think there's any chance of a deal being approved by the EU, while the IM Bill is in it's current form.

I'd expect Ireland to reject any proposed Deal on that alone.

[Bimbowomxn]

Trade with the EU continues whether there’s a trade deal or not.

... with added tariffs, quotas and administration

WTO is a default, not something to aspire to

Or like 60% of our global trade currently. These are not unknown procedures. Also the same issue exists for the other party who are 90 billion onside ....

[Longshanks]

Don't worry Boris has blinked. No hard Brexit.
Get Brexit done my arse.
We all know he only supported Brexit so he could be PM.

I wouldn't be so sure. He might have left it too late. The EU aren't in the mood to rush something through just to make him look competent. I don't think there's any way that an agreement, if they manage to get one, will be ratified by all 27 parliaments before 31 Dec. And there is no option to extend the current arrangement without again going back to all 27 parliaments (because it's a treaty change).

I don't think there's any chance of a deal being approved by the EU, while the IM Bill is in it's current form.

I'd expect Ireland to reject any proposed Deal on that alone.

But a deal means IM Bill gets cancelled of course.

I think we are in for an extention whatever the legal position is now, and then a much softer fluffier Brexit.

[sturginho]

I wouldn't be so sure. He might have left it too late. The EU aren't in the mood to rush something through just to make him look competent. I don't think there's any way that an agreement, if they manage to get one, will be ratified by all 27 parliaments before 31 Dec. And there is no option to extend the current arrangement without again going back to all 27 parliaments (because it's a treaty change).

I don't think there's any chance of a deal being approved by the EU, while the IM Bill is in it's current form.

I'd expect Ireland to reject any proposed Deal on that alone.

But a deal means IM Bill gets cancelled of course.

I think we are in for an extention whatever the legal position is now, and then a much softer fluffier Brexit.

Which we should have had to start with, but then Treeza went and called an election

[Rhubarb & Custard]

He doesn't need to does he? The "meaningful vote" gubbins was only for the Withdrawal agreement?

He does if he wants to survive in the role. And he might like to pass the odd bit of legislation

sorry, my question was does there even need to be a vote? Because I didn't think there did. The "Meaningful Vote" on the W.A. was written in law that ti had to be held, for the future deal I don't believe there is any such thing

There will be votes though, which he can struggle with or there'll simply be a new leader. Which is fine if Boris takes the view it doesn't matter if he's a joke footnote in the history books if it means serving his country

[ASMO]

Trade with the EU continues whether there’s a trade deal or not.

... with added tariffs, quotas and administration

WTO is a default, not something to aspire to

Or like 60% of our global trade currently. These are not unknown procedures. Also the same issue exists for the other party who are 90 billion onside ....

So to clarify, you are ok with all of the increased costs because of the added tariffs and the additional administration for 40% of our trade because we already do that for the other 60%.

[Longshanks]

I don't think there's any chance of a deal being approved by the EU, while the IM Bill is in it's current form.

I'd expect Ireland to reject any proposed Deal on that alone.

But a deal means IM Bill gets cancelled of course.

I think we are in for an extention whatever the legal position is now, and then a much softer fluffier Brexit.

Which we should have had to start with, but then Treeza went and called an election

Which is true, but at least now it's been shown that no matter how important the UK's relationship with the EU might be to Europe, it is not as important as the the EU itself is
Hopefully put extreme Brexiteers back in their box.
But not Farage I'm afraid.