Let's start with the days before Shoreham and the rise of the nanny state.
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Torquemada 1420
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One more resurrection.
Let's start with the days before Shoreham and the rise of the nanny state.
Let's start with the days before Shoreham and the rise of the nanny state.
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“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
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Insane_Homer
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An incredible image, taken with great skill and timing! Smiling face with sunglasses
This shadow is of an RAF Avro Vulcan B2 bomber, caught the split second it passes over the 20-year-old wreck of the USAAF B-24 Liberator, named 'The Lady Be Good', lost in the vast Sahara Desert (in Libya), during WW 2.
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
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No idea. Vickers Windsor although tail section entirely wrong for that?
I'm guessing that since the pic is an artist's impression that it was a design that never even made it to prototype?
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The sun god
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Early B12/36 bomber.
Nope
Nope re WindsorTorquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:53 amNo idea. Vickers Windsor although tail section entirely wrong for that?
I'm guessing that since the pic is an artist's impression that it was a design that never even made it to prototype?
Yes and no - yes it’s an artists impression, but no for the ‘a design never made’ bit, which is a clue
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The sun god
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I’m sure - but you getting warmerThe sun god wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:00 amYou sure....... I seem to remember seeing that drawing in an article about the death of RJ Mitchell.
Edit - sorry, when you said b36 I thought you meant the b36 convair peacemaker - you are correct on the air ministry specification
Bingo !
http://johnkshelton.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... h.html?m=1
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/onenight ... aster/amp/
Love reading about ‘what if’ stuff , especially about aircraft of the era
Tsr2 and that Canadian interceptor whose name temp escapes me, make me sad
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Tbf sun god got it but without naming it, and I was a spaz on understanding what he meantTorquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:20 amMitchell's (Supermarine) failed pitch for the RAF's heavy bomber contract?
{EDIT} Bollox. I see Ella already suggested that.
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Torquemada 1420
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An old one that I never tire of
Awesome!!! Thanks
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Torquemada 1420
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Hmm. Maybe you tube blocking links.
URL is
https: //www. youtube. com/watch?v=4iOoiEbtf2w
without the spaces
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Pre photoshopping, green screen special effects etc....there is a similar line-up in the movie 'A bridge too far' as the Dakota's line up to start 'market-garden'......
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Fairchild - 1994
Starts @ 04:28 in video
The comments below are pretty damning about Lt Col Holland's attitude.
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It's here
was sure I'd seen the footage.
was sure I'd seen the footage.
I have read someplace that bud Holland wasn’t flying at the time, because he was radioing the tower on those manaoivers with the tanker, and normal procedure there is for the one doing the radio comma to not be the pilot in charge at the time, irrespective of rank or who was in which seat. Certainly , after 4 senior deaths , a ‘blame it on the hot dog fall guy’ isn’t the most wildest of conspiracy theories.
Truth is, he should have been grounded for good well before the crash, and all 4 had limited recent flight time so shouldn’t have been chucking the plane around like that. Whoever was at the controls, it was a massive fuck up
Truth is, he should have been grounded for good well before the crash, and all 4 had limited recent flight time so shouldn’t have been chucking the plane around like that. Whoever was at the controls, it was a massive fuck up
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Yup. Even us occasionals know you don't get much lift flying a plane sideways!Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:09 pm I have read someplace that bud Holland wasn’t flying at the time, because he was radioing the tower on those manaoivers with the tanker, and normal procedure there is for the one doing the radio comma to not be the pilot in charge at the time, irrespective of rank or who was in which seat. Certainly , after 4 senior deaths , a ‘blame it on the hot dog fall guy’ isn’t the most wildest of conspiracy theories.
Truth is, he should have been grounded for good well before the crash, and all 4 had limited recent flight time so shouldn’t have been chucking the plane around like that. Whoever was at the controls, it was a massive fuck up
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I find it very hard to believe he wasn't at the controls given; (1) the manner of flight matches his track record for shit flying; (2) his co-pilot, Lt. Col. McGeehan, was just about the only Officer to threaten him with action over his recklessness, & (3) the picture below. The dotYeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:09 pm I have read someplace that bud Holland wasn’t flying at the time, because he was radioing the tower on those manaoivers with the tanker, and normal procedure there is for the one doing the radio comma to not be the pilot in charge at the time, irrespective of rank or who was in which seat. Certainly , after 4 senior deaths , a ‘blame it on the hot dog fall guy’ isn’t the most wildest of conspiracy theories.
Truth is, he should have been grounded for good well before the crash, and all 4 had limited recent flight time so shouldn’t have been chucking the plane around like that. Whoever was at the controls, it was a massive fuck up
below, & slightly to the right of the vertical tail surface is the co-pilot.. he ejected, but didn't survive.
Who ejected doesn’t mean anything really, maybe he was controlling it and realised sooner quite how fucked he was. I just mean that as conspiracy theories go, it’s one of the more plausible ones - Holland could have goaded him into trying something risky. If Holland was demoted onto the radio comms then it’s possible he wasn’t actually flying at that point, because if the known danger man was flying then perhaps the other two would have popped their eject buttons also ?
Perhaps they were lulled into security knowing the ‘safer’ pilot was flying , who unfortunately just wasn’t as skilled at stupid envelope stretching manaoivers than Holland. Bud Holland was undoubtedly a stupid risk taking twat, but hadn’t actually pranged a b52 up until then.
Perhaps they were lulled into security knowing the ‘safer’ pilot was flying , who unfortunately just wasn’t as skilled at stupid envelope stretching manaoivers than Holland. Bud Holland was undoubtedly a stupid risk taking twat, but hadn’t actually pranged a b52 up until then.
