The Brexit Thread

[Paddington Bear]

As I understand it we’ve kept the old patrol vessels that were going to be retired in service for this purpose. (IIRC it’s the class that provided the Falklands Patrol)

Even the fish will piss themselves laughing when those leaky buckets turn up

A latter day Flower corvette I guess.

Kuenssberg reckons the chances of a deal are rising and the EU are moving back from the ratchet clause.

[Longshanks]

Fanatical lunacy reaching it peak? Gunboats to protect 'our fish'

I thought you were joking.

Apparently Boris is serious.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/12/gun ... esponsible

How does South Africa patrol its waters Rinkals?
I have no idea.

I just found an article on Wikipedia and South Africa has patrol vessels with guns.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... Navy_ships

[Calculon]

I don't think anyone disputes the right for the British to patrol their coastline, but Boris threatening to send in the gunboats during negotiations might not be the best strategy.

IIRC Rinkals is a British citizen and has never been a South African one so maybe that post is somewhat misguided

[Paddington Bear]

I don't think anyone disputes the right for the British to patrol their coastline, but Boris threatening to send in the gunboats during negotiations might not be the best strategy.

IIRC Rinkals is a British citizen and has never been a South African one so maybe that post is somewhat misguided

People (and the tabloids) are willfully misinterpreting the Navy's role here - they're on standby to police the waters in the event that they need to on January 1st. Boris isn't planning Mers el Kebir 2.

[Longshanks]

I don't think anyone disputes the right for the British to patrol their coastline, but Boris threatening to send in the gunboats during negotiations might not be the best strategy.

IIRC Rinkals is a British citizen and has never been a South African one so maybe that post is somewhat misguided

Don't get me wrong, I hate the thought of gun boats and the timing of the release of this info is not coincidental.
However there has been a lot of debate about how the UK intends to police is waters and now we know.
Rinkals isn't South African?
Is this true Rinkals?
Apologies, just seemed obvious he was.....

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I don't think anyone disputes the right for the British to patrol their coastline, but Boris threatening to send in the gunboats during negotiations might not be the best strategy.

IIRC Rinkals is a British citizen and has never been a South African one so maybe that post is somewhat misguided

People (and the tabloids) are willfully misinterpreting the Navy's role here - they're on standby to police the waters in the event that they need to on January 1st. Boris isn't planning Mers el Kebir 2.

How are the navy on standby to suddenly magic resources into being? Or if we are going to police our waters what are we going to stop doing? Also how much will this cost above the work we'd already consider BAU, Russian submersibles/drones and the like in terms of patrolling our waters? Will that extra cost be met by extra tax on the fishing industry?

[I like neeps]

Merkel not involved in negotiations...

Who to trust, Merkel, or anonymous sources leaking to the Mail? Toughie.

[Biffer]

Of course just to add into the mix, fisheries protection is a devolved matter in Scotland, which is the majority of UK waters. It’s the responsibility of Marine Scotland through the three Marine Protection vessels based at Rosyth.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Merkel not involved in negotiations...

The British negotiating team have spent the last few years assuming they'd be talking direct to Merkel and probably Macron. Our experience of talking to the EU has been talking to the nations leaders direct as an EU member, and they simply hadn't considered we were leaving and we'd thus be a 3rd party left talking to the EU. A swing and a miss on our part

[Openside]

Waste of nearly 4 years. Should have just left at the end of 2016. We’d have worked out the kinks by now.

Exactly - We are leaving, how would you like this to work for our mutual benefit. 4 totally wasted years with remainers trying to damage the IK's position in the mean time. CUNTS

Stop being a hysterical old queen, the remainers are not in power, all the damage has been done by your hero the blonde bumblecunt and his cronies, stop reading the Daily Mail.

I am no fan of Johnson I am just sick of all the traitorous cunts who are trying to set the U.K. up to fail.

[I like neeps]

Exactly - We are leaving, how would you like this to work for our mutual benefit. 4 totally wasted years with remainers trying to damage the IK's position in the mean time. CUNTS

Stop being a hysterical old queen, the remainers are not in power, all the damage has been done by your hero the blonde bumblecunt and his cronies, stop reading the Daily Mail.

I am no fan of Johnson I am just sick of all the traitorous cunts who are trying to set the U.K. up to fail.

Like who?

[Openside]

Stop being a hysterical old queen, the remainers are not in power, all the damage has been done by your hero the blonde bumblecunt and his cronies, stop reading the Daily Mail.

I am no fan of Johnson I am just sick of all the traitorous cunts who are trying to set the U.K. up to fail.

Like who?

The people who have tried to ensure that Brexit never happened.

[I like neeps]

I am no fan of Johnson I am just sick of all the traitorous cunts who are trying to set the U.K. up to fail.

Like who?

The people who have tried to ensure that Brexit never happened.

And who are they? It's Boris and his vote leave government negotiating with the EU right now

[frodder]

Like who?

The people who have tried to ensure that Brexit never happened.

And who are they? It's Boris and his vote leave government negotiating with the EU right now

Civil service remainer traitors Teresa May etc....

[GogLais]

I am no fan of Johnson I am just sick of all the traitorous cunts who are trying to set the U.K. up to fail.

Like who?

The people who have tried to ensure that Brexit never happened.

Tried and failed. The electorate in its wisdom gave Boris a comfortable majority a year ago, it’s all down to him, the credit or the blame.

[Openside]

Like who?

The people who have tried to ensure that Brexit never happened.

Tried and failed. The electorate in its wisdom gave Boris a comfortable majority a year ago, it’s all down to him, the credit or the blame.

Yup let’s just get in with it 4 1/2 years and counting.

[Sandstorm]

Listen OS, we may all be getting Brexit at last but there are no winners. The only thing worth celebrating is that the whole negotiation circus is almost over.

[fishfoodie]

Listen OS, we may all be getting Brexit at last but there are no winners. The only thing worth celebrating is that the whole negotiation circus is almost over.

You must be joking.

Do you think the UK is going to ignore the largest trading block, right on its doorstep !

All that's going to change in January, is the UKs negotiating position is going to get considerably worse; & the pressure on the UK Government is going to ratchet up.

[Paddington Bear]

I don't think anyone disputes the right for the British to patrol their coastline, but Boris threatening to send in the gunboats during negotiations might not be the best strategy.

IIRC Rinkals is a British citizen and has never been a South African one so maybe that post is somewhat misguided

People (and the tabloids) are willfully misinterpreting the Navy's role here - they're on standby to police the waters in the event that they need to on January 1st. Boris isn't planning Mers el Kebir 2.

How are the navy on standby to suddenly magic resources into being? Or if we are going to police our waters what are we going to stop doing? Also how much will this cost above the work we'd already consider BAU, Russian submersibles/drones and the like in terms of patrolling our waters? Will that extra cost be met by extra tax on the fishing industry?

No idea. If you want to talk about how we should have a larger Navy you’ll find me to be a highly receptive audience, however fishery protection is a non controversial use of said Navy and would be a bigger mission in a no deal scenario. Nothing political, just how it is.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Stop being a hysterical old queen, the remainers are not in power, all the damage has been done by your hero the blonde bumblecunt and his cronies, stop reading the Daily Mail.

I am no fan of Johnson I am just sick of all the traitorous cunts who are trying to set the U.K. up to fail.

Like who?

People who voted for this mess.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

People (and the tabloids) are willfully misinterpreting the Navy's role here - they're on standby to police the waters in the event that they need to on January 1st. Boris isn't planning Mers el Kebir 2.

How are the navy on standby to suddenly magic resources into being? Or if we are going to police our waters what are we going to stop doing? Also how much will this cost above the work we'd already consider BAU, Russian submersibles/drones and the like in terms of patrolling our waters? Will that extra cost be met by extra tax on the fishing industry?

No idea. If you want to talk about how we should have a larger Navy you’ll find me to be a highly receptive audience, however fishery protection is a non controversial use of said Navy and would be a bigger mission in a no deal scenario. Nothing political, just how it is.

Proving the bigger fleet to do something I don't think they should need to be doing is paid for by Brexiters that's all good.

[Rinkals]

I don't think anyone disputes the right for the British to patrol their coastline, but Boris threatening to send in the gunboats during negotiations might not be the best strategy.

IIRC Rinkals is a British citizen and has never been a South African one so maybe that post is somewhat misguided

Incorrect.

I applied for and was granted South African citizenship (on the basis of ancestory) on my return to South Africa in 2004.

I hold Dual Nationality.

But yes.

I'm not sure how effective South African naval patrols are and I think we bedevilled by Russian and Chinese factory ships indulging in overfishing. Certainly Namibia has a big problem in this regard.

However, the UK has options other than naval warfare against supposedly friendly allies.

[fishfoodie]

I don't think anyone disputes the right for the British to patrol their coastline, but Boris threatening to send in the gunboats during negotiations might not be the best strategy.

IIRC Rinkals is a British citizen and has never been a South African one so maybe that post is somewhat misguided

Incorrect.

I applied for and was granted South African citizenship (on the basis of ancestory) on my return to South Africa in 2004.

I hold Dual Nationality.

But yes.

I'm not sure how effective South African naval patrols are and I think we bedevilled by Russian and Chinese factory ships indulging in overfishing. Certainly Namibia has a big problem in this regard.

However, the UK has options other than naval warfare against supposedly friendly allies.

I can see it now; the Bumblecunt will give a tub thumping speech about Britannia ruling the waves, & commission 40 new patrol vessels, for mere billions; & weeks before the last of them slides down the slipway; the UK will sign a deal with the EU; & they'll end up getting sold for scrap ..... meanwhile half the F-35s will be grounded, because the Navy hasn't got money for spares for them .....

[Flockwitt]

I don't think anyone disputes the right for the British to patrol their coastline, but Boris threatening to send in the gunboats during negotiations might not be the best strategy.

IIRC Rinkals is a British citizen and has never been a South African one so maybe that post is somewhat misguided

Incorrect.

I applied for and was granted South African citizenship (on the basis of ancestory) on my return to South Africa in 2004.

I hold Dual Nationality.

But yes.

I'm not sure how effective South African naval patrols are and I think we bedevilled by Russian and Chinese factory ships indulging in overfishing. Certainly Namibia has a big problem in this regard.

However, the UK has options other than naval warfare against supposedly friendly allies.

I can see it now; the Bumblecunt will give a tub thumping speech about Britannia ruling the waves, & commission 40 new patrol vessels, for mere billions; & weeks before the last of them slides down the slipway; the UK will sign a deal with the EU; & they'll end up getting sold for scrap ..... meanwhile half the F-35s will be grounded, because the Navy hasn't got money for spares for them .....

Don’t forget of course it will all be France’s fault. It’ll be back to the past with every excuse to despise the froggie frogs again.

[dpedin]

Ok - we have reached peak shitshow now! Sending in the gunboats is the last straw. Its almost as if the Blonde Bumblecunt and his Brexit Ultras have watched Passport to Pimlico and are using it as a script but didnt have the patience to watch it to the end. OK we are not quite at the stage or airlifting pigs in or getting our milk from a hose but the parallels are uncanny. Do you think they realise it was an allegorical take of the dangers of 'freedom' and becoming a deregulated and trading mess? Pimlico, or Burgandy as they rename it, quickly becomes the laughing stock of the world. Its almost as if the film makers saw Brexit coming? Maybe they did?

[Openside]

Listen OS, we may all be getting Brexit at last but there are no winners. The only thing worth celebrating is that the whole negotiation circus is almost over.

You must be joking.

Do you think the UK is going to ignore the largest trading block, right on its doorstep !

All that's going to change in January, is the UKs negotiating position is going to get considerably worse; & the pressure on the UK Government is going to ratchet up.

Is one pessimistic take on what is going to happen. I was listening to one utterly spineless buffoon on Radio 2 today practically crying who are we going to sell to? Who are we going to buy from? Well the answer is exactly as before but some conditions will have changed and if the stuff we bought before is now too expensive we will either buy it from elsewhere, cough up, or replace with an alternative. Toughen up princesses Brie could be 40% dearer, won’t someone think of the children?

[Bimbowomxn]

Listen OS, we may all be getting Brexit at last but there are no winners. The only thing worth celebrating is that the whole negotiation circus is almost over.

You must be joking.

Do you think the UK is going to ignore the largest trading block, right on its doorstep !

All that's going to change in January, is the UKs negotiating position is going to get considerably worse; & the pressure on the UK Government is going to ratchet up.

Is one pessimistic take on what is going to happen. I was listening to one utterly spineless buffoon on Radio 2 today practically crying who are we going to sell to? Who are we going to buy from? Well the answer is exactly as before but some conditions will have changed and if the stuff we bought before is now too expensive we will either buy it from elsewhere, cough up, or replace with an alternative. Toughen up princesses Brie could be 40% dearer, won’t someone think of the children?

Exactly fucking this.

Most business in international trade are 6-12 months ahead on their order books, many have written tariff (if applied) into these orders already. Is Fishfoodie one of those who genuinely believes trade actually will stop?


A good example of this view is they believe trade will stop AND they’ll be queues at the ports. Have they not realised both are unlikely to be true,

[Bimbowomxn]

Oh, and this is for NL.....


Felixstowe is on about 40% capacity right now due to staffing .....

Containers are off the charts expensive in Asia as there is a huge imbalance with containers being stuck here in Europe ....


Partially this has been caused by Govt UK who currently have 11,000 20 footers sitting unpacked full of PPE from China.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Listen OS, we may all be getting Brexit at last but there are no winners. The only thing worth celebrating is that the whole negotiation circus is almost over.

You must be joking.

Do you think the UK is going to ignore the largest trading block, right on its doorstep !

All that's going to change in January, is the UKs negotiating position is going to get considerably worse; & the pressure on the UK Government is going to ratchet up.

Is one pessimistic take on what is going to happen. I was listening to one utterly spineless buffoon on Radio 2 today practically crying who are we going to sell to? Who are we going to buy from? Well the answer is exactly as before but some conditions will have changed and if the stuff we bought before is now too expensive we will either buy it from elsewhere, cough up, or replace with an alternative. Toughen up princesses Brie could be 40% dearer, won’t someone think of the children?

You like the idea of Brexit and you listen to Radio2, next you'll be telling us you put the milk in second in a continuing litany of god awful standards

[Openside]

You must be joking.

Do you think the UK is going to ignore the largest trading block, right on its doorstep !

All that's going to change in January, is the UKs negotiating position is going to get considerably worse; & the pressure on the UK Government is going to ratchet up.

Is one pessimistic take on what is going to happen. I was listening to one utterly spineless buffoon on Radio 2 today practically crying who are we going to sell to? Who are we going to buy from? Well the answer is exactly as before but some conditions will have changed and if the stuff we bought before is now too expensive we will either buy it from elsewhere, cough up, or replace with an alternative. Toughen up princesses Brie could be 40% dearer, won’t someone think of the children?

You like the idea of Brexit and you listen to Radio2, next you'll be telling us you put the milk in second in a continuing litany of god awful standards

I take neither milk in my coffee or tea

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Is one pessimistic take on what is going to happen. I was listening to one utterly spineless buffoon on Radio 2 today practically crying who are we going to sell to? Who are we going to buy from? Well the answer is exactly as before but some conditions will have changed and if the stuff we bought before is now too expensive we will either buy it from elsewhere, cough up, or replace with an alternative. Toughen up princesses Brie could be 40% dearer, won’t someone think of the children?

You like the idea of Brexit and you listen to Radio2, next you'll be telling us you put the milk in second in a continuing litany of god awful standards

I take neither milk in my coffee or tea

There are more than two types of milk

[Openside]

You like the idea of Brexit and you listen to Radio2, next you'll be telling us you put the milk in second in a continuing litany of god awful standards

I take neither milk in my coffee or tea

There are more than two types of milk

Very clever, but insufferably smug and just why Brexit is going ahead

[dpedin]

I take neither milk in my coffee or tea

There are more than two types of milk

Very clever, but insufferably smug and just why Brexit is going ahead

Obviously there is British milk and there is EU milk. Apparently we produce 77% of the total milk we need for all dairy production. Dairy products are subject to a c40% tariff under WTO rules. However Ireland is a big producer so perhaps we can depend on them to ride to the rescue? If not then cheddar wars commence!

[Biffer]

There are more than two types of milk

Very clever, but insufferably smug and just why Brexit is going ahead

Obviously there is British milk and there is EU milk. Apparently we produce 77% of the total milk we need for all dairy production. Dairy products are subject to a c40% tariff under WTO rules. However Ireland is a big producer so perhaps we can depend on them to ride to the rescue? If not then cheddar wars commence!

40% onto 23% of the milk supply would be an overall increase in cost of about 9% for milk. However, I'm not sure how much of the UK supply comes from NI, and if that might distort things either way.

[JM2K6]

The people who have tried to ensure that Brexit never happened.

And who are they? It's Boris and his vote leave government negotiating with the EU right now

Civil service remainer traitors Teresa May etc....

Mods, can we change Openside's name to "Someone's Grandad on Facebook"? TIA

[dpedin]

Very clever, but insufferably smug and just why Brexit is going ahead

Obviously there is British milk and there is EU milk. Apparently we produce 77% of the total milk we need for all dairy production. Dairy products are subject to a c40% tariff under WTO rules. However Ireland is a big producer so perhaps we can depend on them to ride to the rescue? If not then cheddar wars commence!

40% onto 23% of the milk supply would be an overall increase in cost of about 9% for milk. However, I'm not sure how much of the UK supply comes from NI, and if that might distort things either way.

Maybe we should just ask British cows to step up and work harder post Brexit? Surely the ayrshire, highland, aberdeen angus and the jerseys are loyal, dedicated British cows and will hear the clarion call? However I have always had my doubts about Simmental cows, look a bit foreign to me!

[Biffer]

Obviously there is British milk and there is EU milk. Apparently we produce 77% of the total milk we need for all dairy production. Dairy products are subject to a c40% tariff under WTO rules. However Ireland is a big producer so perhaps we can depend on them to ride to the rescue? If not then cheddar wars commence!

40% onto 23% of the milk supply would be an overall increase in cost of about 9% for milk. However, I'm not sure how much of the UK supply comes from NI, and if that might distort things either way.

Maybe we should just ask British cows to step up and work harder post Brexit? Surely the ayrshire, highland, aberdeen angus and the jerseys are loyal, dedicated British cows and will hear the clarion call? However I have always had my doubts about Simmental cows, look a bit foreign to me!

Nah, Ayrshire, Highland and Aberdeen Angus are perfidious Scots deliberately undermining the union and Jerseys are tax dodging bastards getting fat on the labour of others.

[ASMO]

And who are they? It's Boris and his vote leave government negotiating with the EU right now

Civil service remainer traitors Teresa May etc....

Mods, can we change Openside's name to "Someone's Grandad on Facebook"? TIA

You really are hysterical if you believe all that bullshit, what evidence do you have that the Civil Service are collectively working against Brexit, please be explicit and no citing something you read in the Daily Heil, Karen from Facebook or Cummings or anything like that, real evidence please.

[Biffer]

Civil service remainer traitors Teresa May etc....

Mods, can we change Openside's name to "Someone's Grandad on Facebook"? TIA

You really are hysterical if you believe all that bullshit, what evidence do you have that the Civil Service are collectively working against Brexit, please be explicit and no citing something you read in the Daily Heil, Karen from Facebook or Cummings or anything like that, real evidence please.

He's only doing it because he thinks he's 'triggering the woke'. It's a sad little life sometimes.

[Glaston]

Listen OS, we may all be getting Brexit at last but there are no winners. The only thing worth celebrating is that the whole negotiation circus is almost over.

You must be joking.

Do you think the UK is going to ignore the largest trading block, right on its doorstep !

All that's going to change in January, is the UKs negotiating position is going to get considerably worse; & the pressure on the UK Government is going to ratchet up.

Is one pessimistic take on what is going to happen. I was listening to one utterly spineless buffoon on Radio 2 today practically crying who are we going to sell to? Who are we going to buy from? Well the answer is exactly as before but some conditions will have changed and if the stuff we bought before is now too expensive we will either buy it from elsewhere, cough up, or replace with an alternative. Toughen up princesses Brie could be 40% dearer, won’t someone think of the children?

Somerset makes excellent Brie