So, coronavirus...

[C69]

Tier 4 and London airports are still open. This Govt is just playing at pandemics.

How the feck can airports be open inTier 4?

[frodder]

Tier 4 and London airports are still open. This Govt is just playing at pandemics.

How the feck can airports be open inTier 4?

Skiing trips - duh

[C69]

Tier 4 and London airports are still open. This Govt is just playing at pandemics.

How the feck can airports be open inTier 4?

Skiing trips - duh

What are the rules about holidays and travel into tier 4?
Etc etc

[frodder]

How the feck can airports be open inTier 4?

Skiing trips - duh

What are the rules about holidays and travel into tier 4?
Etc etc

You can get international flights but not internal flights

[Lobby]

Skiing trips - duh

What are the rules about holidays and travel into tier 4?
Etc etc

You can get international flights but not internal flights

Although lots of countries are now moving to stop travel from the UK.

[Hal Jordan]

Tier 4 and London airports are still open. This Govt is just playing at pandemics.

How the feck can airports be open inTier 4?

Essential business trips where the wife and kids happen to be on the board of Bob's Roofing Co.

[Bimbowomxn]

Skiing trips - duh

What are the rules about holidays and travel into tier 4?
Etc etc

You can get international flights but not internal flights

Nope, you cannot travel out of tier 4 for leisure so you cannot go on holidays.


If you were a real cynic you’d notice the 2 council districts not in tier 4 in Essex are the ones containing Stansted airport and Harwich docks ......

[frodder]

What are the rules about holidays and travel into tier 4?
Etc etc

You can get international flights but not internal flights

Nope, you cannot travel out of tier 4 for leisure so you cannot go on holidays.


If you were a real cynic you’d notice the 2 council districts not in tier 4 in Essex are the ones containing Stansted airport and Harwich docks ......

But you can get international flights. Not sure how you could check if it was for business or pleasure if you were clever/devious with your booking

[Bimbowomxn]

You can get international flights but not internal flights

Nope, you cannot travel out of tier 4 for leisure so you cannot go on holidays.


If you were a real cynic you’d notice the 2 council districts not in tier 4 in Essex are the ones containing Stansted airport and Harwich docks ......

But you can get international flights. Not sure how you could check if it was for business or pleasure if you were clever/devious with your booking

Legally you can travel for work as well anywhere. However all those awkward questions saved by a slight of hand and suddenly bits of Essex being safer than others.

[frodder]

I know there were loads of Scousers booking 'business meetings ' on Derby day. A bowl of chips counted as a meal

[Slick]

Skiing trips - duh

What are the rules about holidays and travel into tier 4?
Etc etc

You can get international flights but not internal flights

I know 2 families that got internal flights out of Heathrow this morning. They flew down last night...

[Bimbowomxn]

I know there were loads of Scousers booking 'business meetings ' on Derby day. A bowl of chips counted as a meal

I also know of 5 blokes who got done in town last week for 230 quid each even though they said “business meeting “

[frodder]

What are the rules about holidays and travel into tier 4?
Etc etc

You can get international flights but not internal flights

I know 2 families that got internal flights out of Heathrow this morning. They flew down last night...

In the same category of you can't travel to and from Scotland except by train, car and/or plane

[SaintK]

What are the rules about holidays and travel into tier 4?
Etc etc

You can get international flights but not internal flights

Nope, you cannot travel out of tier 4 for leisure so you cannot go on holidays.


If you were a real cynic you’d notice the 2 council districts not in tier 4 in Essex are the ones containing Stansted airport and Harwich docks ......

How on earth is Stansted in tier 3 when Bishops Stortford is in 4
Madness

[Sandstorm]

EU countries all closing the borders to UK. Practice for 2 Jan.

[frodder]

EU countries all closing the borders to UK. Practice for 2 Jan.

A dress rehearsal if ever we saw it

[Sandstorm]

EU countries all closing the borders to UK. Practice for 2 Jan.

A dress rehearsal if ever we saw it

European lorry drivers might be stuck in England for 48 hours and can’t get home. Fast forward to January and will the same drivers be happy to come over and get delayed again on the way out?

Or will they say “Fuck it, I’ll do the Portuguese or Italian run instead!”

No more German bratwurst!

[The Druid]

Ireland, Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands and Belgium are all halting flights and travel.
France has suspended all travel links including freight with the UK for 48 hours from midnight. It said the period should be used to provide a coordinated European response.

[Sandstorm]

Ireland, Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands and Belgium are all halting flights and travel.
France has suspended all travel links including freight with the UK for 48 hours from midnight. It said the period should be used to provide a coordinated European response.

Nuke us!!!

[Saint]

What are the rules about holidays and travel into tier 4?
Etc etc

You can get international flights but not internal flights

I know 2 families that got internal flights out of Heathrow this morning. They flew down last night...

You're allowed to travel from lower tiers to ports/airports even for non-critical travel. So Tier 1/2/3 can get a flight out of Heathrow or get a train/ferry to France - they're supposed to use personal judgement, but it's entirely up to you.

Tier 4 cannot travel unless for business critical reasons, end of.

[GogLais]

Ireland, Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands and Belgium are all halting flights and travel.
France has suspended all travel links including freight with the UK for 48 hours from midnight. It said the period should be used to provide a coordinated European response.

Nuke us!!!

Please. Just make it a big one.

[salanya]

EU countries all closing the borders to UK. Practice for 2 Jan.

A dress rehearsal if ever we saw it

European lorry drivers might be stuck in England for 48 hours and can’t get home. Fast forward to January and will the same drivers be happy to come over and get delayed again on the way out?

Or will they say “Fuck it, I’ll do the Portuguese or Italian run instead!”

No more German bratwurst!

My pre-Brexit Dutch food delivery arrived today.
Good timing, as the online company are currently not taking any international deliveries due to the Dutch lockdown.

I can feel a January lockdown coming as well, so part of a safe, non anti-social mini-stockpile too.

[Sandstorm]

You're allowed to travel from lower tiers to ports/airports even for non-critical travel. So Tier 1/2/3 can get a flight out of Heathrow or get a train/ferry to France - they're supposed to use personal judgement, but it's entirely up to you.

Tier 4 cannot travel unless for business critical reasons, end of.

But how does someone from Swindon (Tier 3) going to Miami Beach get to their flight at Heathrow in Tier 4?

“You cannot travel in or out of Tier 4 unless for work”

[Bimbowomxn]

You can get international flights but not internal flights

Nope, you cannot travel out of tier 4 for leisure so you cannot go on holidays.


If you were a real cynic you’d notice the 2 council districts not in tier 4 in Essex are the ones containing Stansted airport and Harwich docks ......

How on earth is Stansted in tier 3 when Bishops Stortford is in 4
Madness

Hertfordshire of course. As I say only a cynic....

[Bimbowomxn]

EU countries all closing the borders to UK. Practice for 2 Jan.

A dress rehearsal if ever we saw it

European lorry drivers might be stuck in England for 48 hours and can’t get home. Fast forward to January and will the same drivers be happy to come over and get delayed again on the way out?

Or will they say “Fuck it, I’ll do the Portuguese or Italian run instead!”

No more German bratwurst!

Indeed the global logistic chains rest on the drivers preferences.

[Saint]

You're allowed to travel from lower tiers to ports/airports even for non-critical travel. So Tier 1/2/3 can get a flight out of Heathrow or get a train/ferry to France - they're supposed to use personal judgement, but it's entirely up to you.

Tier 4 cannot travel unless for business critical reasons, end of.

But how does someone from Swindon (Tier 3) going to Miami Beach get to their flight at Heathrow in Tier 4?

“You cannot travel in or out of Tier 4 unless for work”

You're explicitly allowed to travel into Tier 4 to reach a port, wheather Heathrow, Dover, or Folkestone. If for non- work then you are asked to consider if you really should, but it's your discretion.

Folkestone had trouble today with cars - not just freight. Reason being that they had cops on the border checking where people has travelled from - if from Tier 4 they were turned around, which slowed up everything apparently

“If you live outside a tier 4 area you may still transit into or through a tier 4 area to travel abroad if you need to, but you should carefully consider whether you need to do so.”

[Ted.]

You can get international flights but not internal flights

I know 2 families that got internal flights out of Heathrow this morning. They flew down last night...

You're allowed to travel from lower tiers to ports/airports even for non-critical travel. So Tier 1/2/3 can get a flight out of Heathrow or get a train/ferry to France - they're supposed to use personal judgement, but it's entirely up to you.

Tier 4 cannot travel unless for business critical reasons, end of.

Madness!

[Bimbowomxn]

I know 2 families that got internal flights out of Heathrow this morning. They flew down last night...

You're allowed to travel from lower tiers to ports/airports even for non-critical travel. So Tier 1/2/3 can get a flight out of Heathrow or get a train/ferry to France - they're supposed to use personal judgement, but it's entirely up to you.

Tier 4 cannot travel unless for business critical reasons, end of.

Madness!

Yeah, “fuck business”

[Gumboot]

You're allowed to travel from lower tiers to ports/airports even for non-critical travel. So Tier 1/2/3 can get a flight out of Heathrow or get a train/ferry to France - they're supposed to use personal judgement, but it's entirely up to you.

Tier 4 cannot travel unless for business critical reasons, end of.

Madness!

Yep, Claytons springs to mind.

[Sandstorm]

You're allowed to travel from lower tiers to ports/airports even for non-critical travel. So Tier 1/2/3 can get a flight out of Heathrow or get a train/ferry to France - they're supposed to use personal judgement, but it's entirely up to you.

Tier 4 cannot travel unless for business critical reasons, end of.

But how does someone from Swindon (Tier 3) going to Miami Beach get to their flight at Heathrow in Tier 4?

“You cannot travel in or out of Tier 4 unless for work”

You're explicitly allowed to travel into Tier 4 to reach a port, wheather Heathrow, Dover, or Folkestone. If for non- work then you are asked to consider if you really should, but it's your discretion.

Folkestone had trouble today with cars - not just freight. Reason being that they had cops on the border checking where people has travelled from - if from Tier 4 they were turned around, which slowed up everything apparently

“If you live outside a tier 4 area you may still transit into or through a tier 4 area to travel abroad if you need to, but you should carefully consider whether you need to do so.”

But that just leaves it up to the individual and how determined/selfish they are to be somewhere else for Xmas.

Once again the Govt is hoping each person will do the right thing and we know how that works out.

The guidance is full of “for example” and “you should consider it carefully”

Madness as our Kiwi friend said!

[Ted.]

You're allowed to travel from lower tiers to ports/airports even for non-critical travel. So Tier 1/2/3 can get a flight out of Heathrow or get a train/ferry to France - they're supposed to use personal judgement, but it's entirely up to you.

Tier 4 cannot travel unless for business critical reasons, end of.

Madness!

Yeah, “fuck business”

You have to be cruel to be kind.

[Guy Smiley]

Quite a good article here from the Sydney Morning Herald link written by the Head of the Biosecurity Research Program at the Kirby Institute, UNSW Medicine.

Forty new cases today may become 120 new cases by Christmas Day. Half of them will have no symptoms and the rest will have mild symptoms so will carry on as normal. The peak infectiousness of this virus is very early in the infection, before symptoms appear, making Christmas Day a ticking time bomb.

People infected today and tomorrow may travel half-way across Sydney for the family Christmas lunch and maybe to another household for dinner, possibly infecting a minimum of 360 new people. The 360 people infected on Christmas Day will be at their peak infectiousness on New Year’s Eve, and could infect more than 1000 others. We could be looking at 3000 cases by January 8. You could not plan a disaster more perfectly if you tried.
The combination of silent infections, exponential growth and the calamitous timing of New Year’s Eve being within one incubation period of Christmas Day is a tinder-box. Unlike most outbreaks, we can predict the exact dates of super-spreading – December 25 and 31 – two days of massive cross-city movement and gatherings. This is far more serious than the Crossroads Hotel outbreak because of the timing.

The localised lockdown of the northern beaches may or may not work. Growing clusters in the rest of Sydney or other states may not be apparent for another week or two. Wastewater surveillance will provide early warnings of emerging hotspots.

The idea of “living with a bit of COVID-19” and soldiering on is a falsehood because of exponential growth of epidemic infections. The health system is the weak link – it is the first part of society to break during pandemics. When hospital and ICU beds are full, health workers dead, ill or quarantined, all other medical care becomes compromised. Even in the Ruby Princess-related outbreak in Tasmania, more than 1000 health workers were quarantined, forcing a hospital shutdown.

Every city that has laboured under the misapprehension that they can carry on with a bit of community transmission has been forced into lockdown when the health system collapsed.

[Bimbowomxn]

Every city that has laboured under the misapprehension that they can carry on with a bit of community transmission has been forced into lockdown when the health system collapsed.

What a tremendously odd thing to say. Health systems haven’t collapsed anywhere.

[mat the expat]

Every city that has laboured under the misapprehension that they can carry on with a bit of community transmission has been forced into lockdown when the health system collapsed.

What a tremendously odd thing to say. Health systems haven’t collapsed anywhere.

She is a specialist in the field - what is your specialty ?

[fishfoodie]

But how does someone from Swindon (Tier 3) going to Miami Beach get to their flight at Heathrow in Tier 4?

“You cannot travel in or out of Tier 4 unless for work”

You're explicitly allowed to travel into Tier 4 to reach a port, wheather Heathrow, Dover, or Folkestone. If for non- work then you are asked to consider if you really should, but it's your discretion.

Folkestone had trouble today with cars - not just freight. Reason being that they had cops on the border checking where people has travelled from - if from Tier 4 they were turned around, which slowed up everything apparently

“If you live outside a tier 4 area you may still transit into or through a tier 4 area to travel abroad if you need to, but you should carefully consider whether you need to do so.”

But that just leaves it up to the individual and how determined/selfish they are to be somewhere else for Xmas.

Once again the Govt is hoping each person will do the right thing and we know how that works out.

The guidance is full of “for example” and “you should consider it carefully”

Madness as our Kiwi friend said!

I assume the timing of the announcement was so that the Tory MPs could scuttle back to their constituencies before the lockdown; & avoid looking the hypocritical cunts; as usual.....

[Openside]

Are you feeling sensitive Ted? I haven't said you are being weak and wafty

Ted this is what I was trying to say - apologies what I actually typed (apparently) was the complete opposite of what I was trying to say)
not sure if some sort of auto correct or just fat fingers...

No OS, I'm just presenting and arguing for a POV that I feel quite strongly about. Now, as as happens from time to time, people are wrong on the internet. That really wouldn't be an issue, and wasn't previously in The Sensible Times, except now people being wrong on the internet frequently spills over to people being completely and utterly dangerously wrong ITRW , and being the all round good guy that I am, I am merely trying to prevent self harm spilling over to harm to others. It's a public service, really.

Interesting, so you haven't considered it might be you that is being wrong on the internet and rather than providing Public service, you are the danger

[I like neeps]

If the UK government has overspun the new variant story to justify Boris Johnson's latest U-turn, and it results in all national borders closing to the British on the eve of Brexit, he really will have excelled himself.

Would be very Johnson this. Very Johnson.

[Ted.]

Every city that has laboured under the misapprehension that they can carry on with a bit of community transmission has been forced into lockdown when the health system collapsed.

What a tremendously odd thing to say. Health systems haven’t collapsed anywhere.

White man speaks with forked tongue.

[Ted.]

Ted this is what I was trying to say - apologies what I actually typed (apparently) was the complete opposite of what I was trying to say)
not sure if some sort of auto correct or just fat fingers...

No OS, I'm just presenting and arguing for a POV that I feel quite strongly about. Now, as as happens from time to time, people are wrong on the internet. That really wouldn't be an issue, and wasn't previously in The Sensible Times, except now people being wrong on the internet frequently spills over to people being completely and utterly dangerously wrong ITRW , and being the all round good guy that I am, I am merely trying to prevent self harm spilling over to harm to others. It's a public service, really.

Interesting, so you haven't considered it might be you that is being wrong on the internet and rather than providing Public service, you are the danger

I've undertaken an exhaustive study and considered all the angles, OS. My conclusion is, you are wrong in every respect possible.

[Guy Smiley]

Every city that has laboured under the misapprehension that they can carry on with a bit of community transmission has been forced into lockdown when the health system collapsed.

What a tremendously odd thing to say. Health systems haven’t collapsed anywhere.

White man speaks with forked tongue.

Dr Bimbo.