So, coronavirus...

[Heron]

I thnk Boris delayed 'till after Parliament had closed so he wouldn't have to make concessions to his own Right-wingers in order to get a lockdown.

I think it possible the new varient has already been active through Europe, with higher than expected increases across the continent. So all the slamming borders closed is an opportunity for European Countries to put more pressure on Boris over Brexit, (well after the horse has trotted over the horizon).

The supermarkets have been making plans to minimise disruption to the food supply all year, but preventing panic buying will be difficult, and Boris is stumbling along without much respect in or outside his party.

Extending Furlough already is worrying. Hoping the vaccine gets rolled out efficiently and sensibly.

[I like neeps]

Oh no we will get them doing the pissing their pants analogy again.

Amazingly 6 months on from mask wearing we are in a pretty shit situation - back to full lockdown, looks they have been a ripping success or maybe just maybe they have made things worse as we were initially warned.

You can't seriously be suggesting facemasks are the cause of the spikes across Europe LN?

We've been wearing masks since May/June and there wasn't a huge spike then. The spikes were when people started meeting indoors again and got kind of bored of the rules.

Not causing the spikes but are a complete waste of time. Kids in schools across Scotland can now look forward to wearing them all day in class.

People meeting indoors is lockdown fatigue and completely understandable and was the reason they were reticent to lockdown in the first place, now they have no other strategy the useless cunts.

Wales firebreak lockdown was clearly a rip-roaring success that they are now the worst region in the Uk

What strategy would you take? No lockdown in Sweden and the US is going predictably terribly as well.

Both options are absolutely sh*te. I don't want to be locked down. But equally I don't blame the government's for doing so looking at the number of deaths. Wouldn't want that over my head either.

[Bimbowomxn]

Though I agree there’re not doing too well, both Sweden and USA are doing better as a % of population than the UK.

[Biffer]

Though I agree there’re not doing too well, both Sweden and USA are doing better as a % of population than the UK.

Lower population density. You were banging on about that for weeks earlier in the year.

[Bimbowomxn]

Though I agree there’re not doing too well, both Sweden and USA are doing better as a % of population than the UK.

Lower population density. You were banging on about that for weeks earlier in the year.

That’d mean Scotland’s done far worse than England though.......

[salanya]

Though I agree there’re not doing too well, both Sweden and USA are doing better as a % of population than the UK.

Lower population density. You were banging on about that for weeks earlier in the year.

That’d mean Scotland’s done far worse than England though.......

Surely a very large percentage of people in Scotland live in Glasgow and Edinburgh?

[Bimbowomxn]

Lower population density. You were banging on about that for weeks earlier in the year.

That’d mean Scotland’s done far worse than England though.......

Surely a very large percentage of people in Scotland live in Glasgow and Edinburgh?

And a large proportion of Swedes live in Stockholm and Malmö.

[salanya]

That’d mean Scotland’s done far worse than England though.......

Surely a very large percentage of people in Scotland live in Glasgow and Edinburgh?

And a large proportion of Swedes live in Stockholm and Malmö.

I don't disagree, but your point was regarding a comparison between England and Wales?

The countries who really have population density against them are the Netherlands and Belgium (and to a lesser extent the smaller countries like Luxembourg etc.), most other countries have more of a mix of urban and (large) rural areas.

[Bimbowomxn]

Surely a very large percentage of people in Scotland live in Glasgow and Edinburgh?

And a large proportion of Swedes live in Stockholm and Malmö.

I don't disagree, but your point was regarding a comparison between England and Wales?

The countries who really have population density against them are the Netherlands and Belgium (and to a lesser extent the smaller countries like Luxembourg etc.), most other countries have more of a mix of urban and (large) rural areas.

England - Tory
Wales - Labour
Scotland - SNP


All did rubbish, little to do with politics. There is a common problem but we’re not allowed to talk about it.

[salanya]

Sorry Bimbo, but just blame who you want to blame and talk about it.

Your argument so far is a mess: first you claim Sweden and USA are doing better, people explain that's about population density.
Then you go on about England beating Scotland based on this, I pose the question that the majority of the Scottish population actually live in urban areas.

Then you change the point to politics, and that all different parties in the different countries have all failed, so the parties aren't the problem and we can't name the common problem.

What is the common problem according to you?

[Bimbowomxn]

Sorry Bimbo, but just blame who you want to blame and talk about it.

Your argument so far is a mess: first you claim Sweden and USA are doing better, people explain that's about population density.
Then you go on about England beating Scotland based on this, I pose the question that the majority of the Scottish population actually live in urban areas.

Then you change the point to politics, and that all different parties in the different countries have all failed, so the parties aren't the problem and we can't name the common problem.

What is the common problem according to you?

With respect I claimed nothing, I made a comment to a nationalist who’d spent a lot of time telling how well Scotland had done because of Sturgeon. The context of any density claim is months and another bored away, I can’t remember them and you’ve never read them.

I moved away from a conversation because it had no context .....

The common problem being the structure of our public health bodies , they’ve failed.

[Hong Kong]

[Hong Kong]

[Jock42]

Not causing the spikes but are a complete waste of time. Kids in schools across Scotland can now look forward to wearing them all day in class.

People meeting indoors is lockdown fatigue and completely understandable and was the reason they were reticent to lockdown in the first place, now they have no other strategy the useless cunts.

Wales firebreak lockdown was clearly a rip-roaring success that they are now the worst region in the Uk

Admissions to the paeds ward in ninewells are down significantly for respiratory conditions compared to this time last year.

[Bimbowomxn]

Yeah, shut the fuck up and do as you’re told.......

[Openside]

No OS, I'm just presenting and arguing for a POV that I feel quite strongly about. Now, as as happens from time to time, people are wrong on the internet. That really wouldn't be an issue, and wasn't previously in The Sensible Times, except now people being wrong on the internet frequently spills over to people being completely and utterly dangerously wrong ITRW , and being the all round good guy that I am, I am merely trying to prevent self harm spilling over to harm to others. It's a public service, really.

Interesting, so you haven't considered it might be you that is being wrong on the internet and rather than providing Public service, you are the danger

I've undertaken an exhaustive study and considered all the angles, OS. My conclusion is, you are wrong in every respect possible.

Shit, I feared as much

[Sandstorm]

Yeah, shut the fuck up and do as you’re told.......

Talking (shit) spreads the virus.

[Un Pilier]

Also, to add to the 'hope your heroes die young so you don't find out what arseholes they turn out to be' column, there's this

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/1 ... ype=earned

As a long term and well informed fan I am hugely disappointed. My first draft was somewhat ruder.

[Northern Lights]

Oh here we go the sainted fucking nhs, like no other cunt works in this country. If you work in the public sector you’re a bloody saint, give it a bloody rest.

I’m sick of this shite too.

[Northern Lights]

Not causing the spikes but are a complete waste of time. Kids in schools across Scotland can now look forward to wearing them all day in class.

People meeting indoors is lockdown fatigue and completely understandable and was the reason they were reticent to lockdown in the first place, now they have no other strategy the useless cunts.

Wales firebreak lockdown was clearly a rip-roaring success that they are now the worst region in the Uk

Admissions to the paeds ward in ninewells are down significantly for respiratory conditions compared to this time last year.

OJ,

Do you reckon you have more capacity this year than last or is it the same sort of shitshow as every year or are we actually worse?

You at least are front and centre with this compared to the rest of us armchair gobshites.

[Northern Lights]

You can't seriously be suggesting facemasks are the cause of the spikes across Europe LN?

We've been wearing masks since May/June and there wasn't a huge spike then. The spikes were when people started meeting indoors again and got kind of bored of the rules.

Not causing the spikes but are a complete waste of time. Kids in schools across Scotland can now look forward to wearing them all day in class.

People meeting indoors is lockdown fatigue and completely understandable and was the reason they were reticent to lockdown in the first place, now they have no other strategy the useless cunts.

Wales firebreak lockdown was clearly a rip-roaring success that they are now the worst region in the Uk

What strategy would you take? No lockdown in Sweden and the US is going predictably terribly as well.

Both options are absolutely sh*te. I don't want to be locked down. But equally I don't blame the government's for doing so looking at the number of deaths. Wouldn't want that over my head either.

How about separate hospitals for coviders you know like we used to do with tb and the like. They’ve had all year to come up with a more effective strategy rather than doubling down on a failed strategy every time they realise it hasn’t worked.

[Saint]

Not causing the spikes but are a complete waste of time. Kids in schools across Scotland can now look forward to wearing them all day in class.

People meeting indoors is lockdown fatigue and completely understandable and was the reason they were reticent to lockdown in the first place, now they have no other strategy the useless cunts.

Wales firebreak lockdown was clearly a rip-roaring success that they are now the worst region in the Uk

Admissions to the paeds ward in ninewells are down significantly for respiratory conditions compared to this time last year.

OJ,

Do you reckon you have more capacity this year than last or is it the same sort of shitshow as every year or are we actually worse?

You at least are front and centre with this compared to the rest of us armchair gobshites.

Don't know what his response will be, but I can tell you that at community level they're massively screwed. Caseload is currently twice the norm for this time of year and it's getting worse - at the same time that PPE restrictions mean that every patient visit requires 15-20 minutes longer than the normal allowance.

And at the same time overtime pay is officially denied

[Northern Lights]

Yeh, the return of panic buying stories in the MSM

For good reason this time. There are going to be significant gaps on shelves in 48 hours if they don’t get freight moving,

Boris has totally fucked up this time. I’m not getting into how bad this new variant is as there seems to be a mixed view on it and only time will tell if it is as contagious as they are saying but playing billy big balls over Brexit which imho contributed to having our borders shut is stupidity in the extreme, an immediate extension is required whilst we get through this latest development with COVID.

Note only the French shut freight, it was quite the opposite and being a brexit warning from the French. They’ll be circumvented within a month or two by Holland if this occurs next month.

Not signing away things isn’t billy big balls. It’s sensible now.

Who said anything about signing, it’s an extension that’s needed then you can negotiate a proper deal when the economy isn’t already imploding. Fight one battle at a time.

They’re fucking useless though.

[Saint]

Not causing the spikes but are a complete waste of time. Kids in schools across Scotland can now look forward to wearing them all day in class.

People meeting indoors is lockdown fatigue and completely understandable and was the reason they were reticent to lockdown in the first place, now they have no other strategy the useless cunts.

Wales firebreak lockdown was clearly a rip-roaring success that they are now the worst region in the Uk

What strategy would you take? No lockdown in Sweden and the US is going predictably terribly as well.

Both options are absolutely sh*te. I don't want to be locked down. But equally I don't blame the government's for doing so looking at the number of deaths. Wouldn't want that over my head either.

How about separate hospitals for coviders you know like we used to do with tb and the like. They’ve had all year to come up with a more effective strategy rather than doubling down on a failed strategy every time they realise it hasn’t worked.

How are you determining which patient goes to which hospital?

It would be useful if we had an instant accurate test for asymptomatic patients wouldn't it?

[Northern Lights]

Admissions to the paeds ward in ninewells are down significantly for respiratory conditions compared to this time last year.

OJ,

Do you reckon you have more capacity this year than last or is it the same sort of shitshow as every year or are we actually worse?

You at least are front and centre with this compared to the rest of us armchair gobshites.

Don't know what his response will be, but I can tell you that at community level they're massively screwed. Caseload is currently twice the norm for this time of year and it's getting worse - at the same time that PPE restrictions mean that every patient visit requires 15-20 minutes longer than the normal allowance.

And at the same time overtime pay is officially denied

It will be region specific though and he’s closer to me than you lads. I know a lot docs and nurses locally and they’ve largely been fine all year but we haven’t had the same caseload as the rest of the country. So I’ve got anecdotal local knowledge of ARI but curious about how bad or otherwise Tayside is.

[Bimbowomxn]

It would be useful if we had an instant accurate test for asymptomatic patients wouldn't it?

Eventually, we could start with the symptomatic first though as they’re more than 10 x the risk.

[Saint]

OJ,

Do you reckon you have more capacity this year than last or is it the same sort of shitshow as every year or are we actually worse?

You at least are front and centre with this compared to the rest of us armchair gobshites.

Don't know what his response will be, but I can tell you that at community level they're massively screwed. Caseload is currently twice the norm for this time of year and it's getting worse - at the same time that PPE restrictions mean that every patient visit requires 15-20 minutes longer than the normal allowance.

And at the same time overtime pay is officially denied

It will be region specific though and he’s closer to me than you lads. I know a lot docs and nurses locally and they’ve largely been fine all year but we haven’t had the same caseload as the rest of the country. So I’ve got anecdotal local knowledge of ARI but curious about how bad or otherwise Tayside is.

Yes it's region specific, but we're Tier 2 and one of the lowest infection rates for T2 - and I'm getting this directly from Mrs Saint (to be fair I don't even need to ask the question except for the details- she's exhausted sbd working 12+ hour days).

[Northern Lights]

What strategy would you take? No lockdown in Sweden and the US is going predictably terribly as well.

Both options are absolutely sh*te. I don't want to be locked down. But equally I don't blame the government's for doing so looking at the number of deaths. Wouldn't want that over my head either.

How about separate hospitals for coviders you know like we used to do with tb and the like. They’ve had all year to come up with a more effective strategy rather than doubling down on a failed strategy every time they realise it hasn’t worked.

How are you determining which patient goes to which hospital?

It would be useful if we had an instant accurate test for asymptomatic patients wouldn't it?

Well given how well the Asian countries are handling this by properly isolating the cases, it’s not a bad place to start.

Just like there is problems with testing, which the government aren’t openly acknowledging, in fact they are wanting to push on with mass testing so they obviously have some faith in the testing, it’s clearly got a high enough accuracy to place some faith in.

Locking down is definitely the right strategy though, that’s why we are in such great shape now

[Northern Lights]

Don't know what his response will be, but I can tell you that at community level they're massively screwed. Caseload is currently twice the norm for this time of year and it's getting worse - at the same time that PPE restrictions mean that every patient visit requires 15-20 minutes longer than the normal allowance.

And at the same time overtime pay is officially denied

It will be region specific though and he’s closer to me than you lads. I know a lot docs and nurses locally and they’ve largely been fine all year but we haven’t had the same caseload as the rest of the country. So I’ve got anecdotal local knowledge of ARI but curious about how bad or otherwise Tayside is.

Yes it's region specific, but we're Tier 2 and one of the lowest infection rates for T2 - and I'm getting this directly from Mrs Saint (to be fair I don't even need to ask the question except for the details- she's exhausted sbd working 12+ hour days).

Which again will be region specific on the hours she is working, it varies across our region with some practices fine and others pretty screwed but that’s not even necessarily COVID related

[Saint]

It will be region specific though and he’s closer to me than you lads. I know a lot docs and nurses locally and they’ve largely been fine all year but we haven’t had the same caseload as the rest of the country. So I’ve got anecdotal local knowledge of ARI but curious about how bad or otherwise Tayside is.

Yes it's region specific, but we're Tier 2 and one of the lowest infection rates for T2 - and I'm getting this directly from Mrs Saint (to be fair I don't even need to ask the question except for the details- she's exhausted sbd working 12+ hour days).

Which again will be region specific on the hours she is working, it varies across our region with some practices fine and others pretty screwed but that’s not even necessarily COVID related

???? I don't even understand the point you're trying to make now.

[Saint]

How about separate hospitals for coviders you know like we used to do with tb and the like. They’ve had all year to come up with a more effective strategy rather than doubling down on a failed strategy every time they realise it hasn’t worked.

How are you determining which patient goes to which hospital?

It would be useful if we had an instant accurate test for asymptomatic patients wouldn't it?

Well given how well the Asian countries are handling this by properly isolating the cases, it’s not a bad place to start.

Just like there is problems with testing, which the government aren’t openly acknowledging, in fact they are wanting to push on with mass testing so they obviously have some faith in the testing, it’s clearly got a high enough accuracy to place some faith in.

Locking down is definitely the right strategy though, that’s why we are in such great shape now

It works in Asian countries for a couple of reasons

1 - they've had quite a lot outbreaks if various viruses so they have experience

2 - the people there actually follow the rules. There's little to no disobedience. No-one whinging that being asked to wear a face mask is an intolerable breach if human rights. And a track and trace system that unifies bank records (such as ATM withdrawals) with GOS and Bluetooth triangulation.

[Bimbowomxn]

Yeah, shut the fuck up and do as you’re told.......

Talking (shit) spreads the virus.

[Ted.]

Eastern Cape, South Africa

More examples are/were, large swaths of Peru, Brazil and the US, unless of course you are well off.

Oh look, over there, a squirrel!

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... -rationing

Cheers, Raggs.

Sorry, you’re claiming that the US health system has collapsed ?


Give your head a wobble.

Do you know the meaning of "large swaths"?

Sigh! Never mind. Into the morons basket you go, along with lying through your teeth and a grossly overinflated sense of your own abilities.

[Ted.]

Yeah, shut the fuck up and do as you’re told.......

So now we4 get to the nub of it. You simply can't stand being given advice, let alone taking it, no matter how sensible it is. Bimbot, me boy, your inferiority complex is broadcasting loud and clear.

[Ted.]

Interesting, so you haven't considered it might be you that is being wrong on the internet and rather than providing Public service, you are the danger

I've undertaken an exhaustive study and considered all the angles, OS. My conclusion is, you are wrong in every respect possible.

Shit, I feared as much

[Rinkals]

Sorry Bimbo, but just blame who you want to blame and talk about it.

Your argument so far is a mess: first you claim Sweden and USA are doing better, people explain that's about population density.
Then you go on about England beating Scotland based on this, I pose the question that the majority of the Scottish population actually live in urban areas.

Then you change the point to politics, and that all different parties in the different countries have all failed, so the parties aren't the problem and we can't name the common problem.

What is the common problem according to you?

Where did those fucking goalposts get to?

[I like neeps]

Not causing the spikes but are a complete waste of time. Kids in schools across Scotland can now look forward to wearing them all day in class.

People meeting indoors is lockdown fatigue and completely understandable and was the reason they were reticent to lockdown in the first place, now they have no other strategy the useless cunts.

Wales firebreak lockdown was clearly a rip-roaring success that they are now the worst region in the Uk

What strategy would you take? No lockdown in Sweden and the US is going predictably terribly as well.

Both options are absolutely sh*te. I don't want to be locked down. But equally I don't blame the government's for doing so looking at the number of deaths. Wouldn't want that over my head either.

How about separate hospitals for coviders you know like we used to do with tb and the like. They’ve had all year to come up with a more effective strategy rather than doubling down on a failed strategy every time they realise it hasn’t worked.

Slight difference in medical knowledge and infrastructure between TB and now, I wonder if it would be possible to have all those ventilators and staff. But a good idea theoretically.

I agree it doesn't work but neither does the opposite. You have a contagious virus on the loose and you are screwed with no good options sadly.

[Jock42]

Not causing the spikes but are a complete waste of time. Kids in schools across Scotland can now look forward to wearing them all day in class.

People meeting indoors is lockdown fatigue and completely understandable and was the reason they were reticent to lockdown in the first place, now they have no other strategy the useless cunts.

Wales firebreak lockdown was clearly a rip-roaring success that they are now the worst region in the Uk

Admissions to the paeds ward in ninewells are down significantly for respiratory conditions compared to this time last year.

OJ,

Do you reckon you have more capacity this year than last or is it the same sort of shitshow as every year or are we actually worse?

You at least are front and centre with this compared to the rest of us armchair gobshites.

Thursday night was my first shift for a couple of weeks but we certainly had a quieter weekend than normal. A&E and the admissions ward were also quieter so certainly on the face of it things seem to be ok so far. Only in the covid ward once but they had capacity.

[Jock42]

How about separate hospitals for coviders you know like we used to do with tb and the like. They’ve had all year to come up with a more effective strategy rather than doubling down on a failed strategy every time they realise it hasn’t worked.

The logistics wouldn't really work. Anyone with certain symptoms is admitted through a covid ward (the infectious disease ward for us) or a secluded area in A&E until tested then moved to a more appropriate ward.

[Bimbowomxn]

More examples are/were, large swaths of Peru, Brazil and the US, unless of course you are well off.

Oh look, over there, a squirrel!

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... -rationing

Cheers, Raggs.

Sorry, you’re claiming that the US health system has collapsed ?


Give your head a wobble.

Do you know the meaning of "large swaths"?

Sigh! Never mind. Into the morons basket you go, along with lying through your teeth and a grossly overinflated sense of your own abilities.

One hospital - “large swathes”


Give your head another wobble.