So, coronavirus...

[TB63]

During the first lockdown last year, Boots had to lock up their makeup sections as they were unable to stop people browsing it.

I have taken to doing my shopping after 20:00 as I know the supermarket will be mostly empty by then.

I'd just like to see the, 'one person per trolley', rule re-introduced; we're back to the full family shopping trips, & that means too many people in the aisles.

Agreed
It was Family day out at our local supermarket last Thursday

Just come back from Morrisons, very quiet inside but still had to queue to get in, limited number only inside..

[Insane_Homer]

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[Raggs]

Taken the decision not to send my boy to school tomorrow. We'll homeschool. No idea if we'll get fined, but don't think the school will do it, and if they do, I don't care.

[frodder]

Taken the decision not to send my boy to school tomorrow. We'll homeschool. No idea if we'll get fined, but don't think the school will do it, and if they do, I don't care.

They won't fine you

[Raggs]

Taken the decision not to send my boy to school tomorrow. We'll homeschool. No idea if we'll get fined, but don't think the school will do it, and if they do, I don't care.

They won't fine you

I very much doubt it. To my knowledge it's down to the headteacher to decide, and given how she looked/sounded in the video they just released, they'll not be fining anyone, even if she didn't explicitly say it.

[Insane_Homer]

Btw, you do realise the figure presented (in red ) was complete and utter fiction and out medical officers should be ashamed of themselves.

When bimbo claimed 50,000 cases was fiction. Good times.

[Paddington Bear]

Btw, you do realise the figure presented (in red ) was complete and utter fiction and out medical officers should be ashamed of themselves.

When bimbo claimed 50,000 cases was fiction. Good times.

Not to defend Bimbo but there is something amusing about you continuing an argument with someone who is banned whilst using the emoji and relentlessly spamming this bored with twitter content

[Insane_Homer]

but there is something amusing about you continuing an argument with someone who is banned

I'm glad I could brighten your day. You're welcome.

[Margin__Walker]

God Twitter can be a mess sometimes, but this schools thing is something else. Kirsty Alsopp took (possibly a bit too much) offence to a BBC tweet of a 5 Live interview in which a hospital matron spoke about having wards full of kids with covid. Suggesting it was scaremongering at the risks posed to children by Covid.



A statement that actually led to this statement from the RCPCH and a follow up BBC article



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55518248

In the thread that followed she said this, which lit the touch paper, that no amount for saying that she wasn't commenting on the schools issue could fix. Just mountains of people man(and woman)splaining that it's about transmission. Then the usual anti BBC//lockdown folks chipping in from other side.

[Raggs]

Thing is, it's not just the child. If my child catches covid at school, there's a very good chance now that it's the new strain, and he'll likely infect a social care worker working with vulnerable people, and a frontline nhs worker. I suspect numerous families would be similar.

Just seen as well, that out of the roughly 2500 positive cases in my area since the start, 460 of them were reported today, and 1000 of them in the last week (I believe about 750 in the last 2 days). The rate here is absolutely skyrocketing.

[Margin__Walker]

Thing is, it's not just the child. If my child catches covid at school, there's a very good chance now that it's the new strain, and he'll likely infect a social care worker working with vulnerable people, and a frontline nhs worker. I suspect numerous families would be similar.

Just seen as well, that out of the roughly 2500 positive cases in my area since the start, 460 of them were reported today, and 1000 of them in the last week (I believe about 750 in the last 2 days). The rate here is absolutely skyrocketing.

Well yes. Which is why closing schools probably makes sense.

Wasn't a response to your post at all. More a comment on a Twitter meltdown hounding someone for something she's not said.

[Raggs]

Thing is, it's not just the child. If my child catches covid at school, there's a very good chance now that it's the new strain, and he'll likely infect a social care worker working with vulnerable people, and a frontline nhs worker. I suspect numerous families would be similar.

Just seen as well, that out of the roughly 2500 positive cases in my area since the start, 460 of them were reported today, and 1000 of them in the last week (I believe about 750 in the last 2 days). The rate here is absolutely skyrocketing.

Well yes. Which is why closing schools probably makes sense.

Wasn't a response to your post at all. More a comment on a Twitter meltdown hounding someone for something she's not said.

I was posting in isolation (not that kind of isolation!) too :). Scary seeing how fast it's developing here. I presume it must be the new strain.

[I like neeps]

Car crashes, drowning and trampoline injuries are now contagious? Allsopp is making a false equivalence there.

[Margin__Walker]

Ha. Yep, see Starmer now putting some pressure on. It just seems the most abject dereliction of duty for BJ to vaguely talk today about the need for additional restrictions in the coming weeks. It's like they just refuse to learn every time. Just pull the trigger on it FFS if it's going to happen, there is absolutely no benefit anywhere in delaying the inevitable. We just end up locked up for longer and getting hit harder.

[Margin__Walker]

Car crashes, drowning and trampoline injuries are now contagious? Allsopp is making a false equivalence there.

She's talking about the threat to children, not the threat to people they may infect.

Forget it.

[ScarfaceClaw]

Car crashes, drowning and trampoline injuries are now contagious? Allsopp is making a false equivalence there.

It’s Kirsty Allsopp for fucks sake. A woman who dresses like Paddington Bear, is a glorified estate agent on a telly show and makes old persons craft tat. Who gives a shite what she thinks.

[frodder]

Car crashes, drowning and trampoline injuries are now contagious? Allsopp is making a false equivalence there.

It’s Kirsty Allsopp for fucks sake. A woman who dresses like Paddington Bear, is a glorified estate agent on a telly show and makes old persons craft tat. Who gives a shite what she thinks.

Didn't she post a tweet about destroying her kids ipads because she thought they were spending too much time with them?

[fishfoodie]

Has Starmer now forced the bumblecunt into, not, changing the schools reopening policy; by asking for a new lockdown ?

It might have been better if he hadn't spoken, but he's probably had the teaching unions in his ear for the last few days.

[Margin__Walker]

Nah, BJ conducted plenty of Starmer approved U turns in 2020. Why make 2021 any different

[Sandstorm]

The entire Boris PM stint has been characterised by him saying: “In a few weeks....”

No wonder we’re in the Covid crap up to our necks.

[C69]

Car crashes, drowning and trampoline injuries are now contagious? Allsopp is making a false equivalence there.

It’s Kirsty Allsopp for fucks sake. A woman who dresses like Paddington Bear, is a glorified estate agent on a telly show and makes old persons craft tat. Who gives a shite what she thinks.

Didn't she post a tweet about destroying her kids ipads because she thought they were spending too much time with them?

She once stated she wanted to stand as a Tory MP

Allsopp is the daughter of Charles Allsopp, 6th Baron Hindlip, a former chairman of Christie's, by his marriage to Fiona Victoria Jean Atherley McGowan (1947–2014).[citation needed] She has a younger brother, Henry, and two younger sisters, Sofie and Natasha.[citation needed] Owing to her father's peerage, she is entitled to use the courtesy style The Honourable Kirstie Allsopp.[4] The designer and businesswoman Cath Kidston is her cousin.[5][6]

She attended ten schools as a child,[7] including St Clotilde's in Lechlade, Gloucestershire,[8] and Bedales near Petersfield, Hampshire. After spending time in India teaching English, Allsopp returned to the UK and began a series of positions, working for Country Living and Food & Homes Magazine and her mother's business, Hindlip & Prentice Interiors, and studying at Christie's. Allsopp set up her own home search company, Kirmir, in 1996, focusing on top end purchases in Central and West London.[9]

Allsopp was reported in 2008 and 2009 to be an advisor to the Conservative Party on housing matters,

[fishfoodie]

She attended ten schools as a child,[7] including St Clotilde's in Lechlade, Gloucestershire,[8] and Bedales near Petersfield, Hampshire. After spending time in India teaching English, Allsopp returned to the UK and began a series of positions, working for Country Living and Food & Homes Magazine and her mother's business, Hindlip & Prentice Interiors, and studying at Christie's. Allsopp set up her own home search company, Kirmir, in 1996, focusing on top end purchases in Central and West London.[9]

Allsopp was reported in 2008 and 2009 to be an advisor to the Conservative Party on housing matters,

The family aren't Travellers are they ?

Picked up the Baronet for services to the tarmac industry ?

[Flockwitt]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1345739925786947584

[I like neeps]

Nah, BJ conducted plenty of Starmer approved U turns in 2020. Why make 2021 any different

Starmer didn't call for schools to be closed, he called for a November style lockdown and then said it's inevitable more schools do close.

I think he's realised schools will close and the media will pulverise him for siding with the unions? I don't know.

[fishfoodie]

Nah, BJ conducted plenty of Starmer approved U turns in 2020. Why make 2021 any different

Starmer didn't call for schools to be closed, he called for a November style lockdown and then said it's inevitable more schools do close.

I think he's realised schools will close and the media will pulverise him for siding with the unions? I don't know.

Have you seen tomorrows Daily Express ?

Boris Johnson told to roll out Tier 5 lockdown as Covid cases soar - 'Severe curfew now!'

When your a Tory PM, & you start seeing headlines like that in papers like the Daily Fascist; it's time to take notice !

[Sandstorm]

Tier 5? What about Tier 4+ ?

[Saint]

From a nurse at the JR (colleague of a friend)

On the 11th of December, the respiratory ward on the JR had 12 patients, some COVID-19 positive, some with other illnesses. During the following week, the cases started to increase until the whole 12 beds available became full with COVID-19 positive patients.

On the 21st December, the decision to increase the number of beds to 16 was made. Somewhere around Christmas time, can't remember the day, that number increased to 20.
A few days ago, we were told about the plan to increase the number of beds to 25, meaning we'd open 5 more beds for patients with COVID-19.

Yesterday those beds were open and we were told that no more than 5 would be opened because it would be unsafe for the respiratory staff. We ended the day opening 5 more beds, increasing our total capacity from 25 to 30 beds. 30 beds distributed across two wards on two different floors.

The patients keep on coming and they are on CPAP, Airvo or wall CPAP. If you don't know what those things are, I suggest you look on Google images. Two of these treatments require a mask on you face that is worst than the normal surgical mask that we are required to use. Patients come and we put that mask on them, and they refuse and don't tolerate it. Which is ironic, considering that's the same treatment that can save their lives. Wall CPAP on 15cmH2O, 100% of oxygen with 70L of flow rate are the max settings and the last treatment before being transferred to ICU, if you get there. Because ICU is so full that we are selecting the patients with the most capability of surviving it. It's very sad having to escalate a patient because he's deteriorating, and hearing the doctor on the other side of the phone asking me the age of the patient and saying that someone will come to review, but there are no beds in ICU, so if the patient is already on max treatment, that's all we can do for them. And I can't imagine the doctor's role in this, having to go inside the rooms and explaining to the patient or to their families on the phone why ICU thinks they're not a very good candidate for surviving.
For me, this sounds like the nightmare I hoped I wouldn't go through again, and the news say that some hospitals are worst than we are at the moment.

We've been doing this for a few days on full capacity now and I don't know how long we're going to be able to do it or how much more they are going to push us. Because we've done it before and we know how much it takes. Because we've done it before and this time is worst. Worst because there are more admissions than the first wave. Worst because we were caught out of the blue and the hospital was not at all prepared. Worst because the people outside don't seem to care. I see people having parties indoors with people that do not live with them and shouldn't be there without any mask or social distance. I know we are tired and are all craving human contact and the reality from before. We are admitting younger people every day. We have people on their 30's and 40's being admitted to us. This past week, we admitted a teenager. When they come to the respiratory ward, they're way past using a nasal cannula. They're on Venturi mask 60% at 15L of oxygen or on a non-rebreather mask. And we'll change them to Airvo or to CPAP as soon as they arrive.

And they normally stay with us for about a week. Some more, some less. And they have three possible outcomes: they get better and are transferred to a medical ward, they get worse and the team decides to transfer them to ICU or they get worse and we actively treat but the patient is now NFR (not for resuscitation) and has a EOL package (end of life) pending, waiting further deterioration to be initiated. And, as much as we are struggling now, we haven't received yet the patients that got contaminated during Christmas time.

We were told that this will be a marathon and not a sprint, but we are running on our feet every day, admitting more patients, transferring to make space for the ones who need the most, attending to bells and alarms to increase oxygen on the ones that are already there. Every week day shift and weekend day shift is the same, every day and night shift is the same now, apart from the light outside telling us the difference. It's a marathon but we are running around like it's a sprint and I wonder until when can we keep this rhythm going.

This is the reality that did not end with the 31st of December. So to everyone wishing a different 2021, remember that you can make the difference by staying at home and wearing a mask when we have to go outside. Please follow the rules.

[Sandstorm]

Would any of these nurses record themselves on Youtube? Maybe record the doctor telling the family their 35 year old son is too sick to go to ICU? That kind of message needs to global.

Although there’s a good chance many still won’t care.

[JM2K6]

It’s Kirsty Allsopp for fucks sake. A woman who dresses like Paddington Bear, is a glorified estate agent on a telly show and makes old persons craft tat. Who gives a shite what she thinks.

Didn't she post a tweet about destroying her kids ipads because she thought they were spending too much time with them?

She once stated she wanted to stand as a Tory MP

Allsopp is the daughter of Charles Allsopp, 6th Baron Hindlip, a former chairman of Christie's, by his marriage to Fiona Victoria Jean Atherley McGowan (1947–2014).[citation needed] She has a younger brother, Henry, and two younger sisters, Sofie and Natasha.[citation needed] Owing to her father's peerage, she is entitled to use the courtesy style The Honourable Kirstie Allsopp.[4] The designer and businesswoman Cath Kidston is her cousin.[5][6]

She attended ten schools as a child,[7] including St Clotilde's in Lechlade, Gloucestershire,[8] and Bedales near Petersfield, Hampshire. After spending time in India teaching English, Allsopp returned to the UK and began a series of positions, working for Country Living and Food & Homes Magazine and her mother's business, Hindlip & Prentice Interiors, and studying at Christie's. Allsopp set up her own home search company, Kirmir, in 1996, focusing on top end purchases in Central and West London.[9]

Allsopp was reported in 2008 and 2009 to be an advisor to the Conservative Party on housing matters,

She's also probably sulking because she copped well-deserved flak for breaking protocol to go down to the South West during lockdown 1, IIRC

[tc27]

The situation is getting chronic now - I cant see how a full Spring style lock-down is not inevitable - the government needs to stop dithering on this.

And again the vaccination program needs rocket booster underneath it - the ohh shit we are at war kind of effort must be made.

[Hal Jordan]

The "Covid is a hoax/why is no one getting flu this year/it's just a cough" brigade would just yell Fake News anyway...

[Saint]

Would any of these nurses record themselves on Youtube? Maybe record the doctor telling the family their 35 year old son is too sick to go to ICU? That kind of message needs to global.

Although there’s a good chance many still won’t care.

NHS staff are still being warned of disciplinary action for going on record about covid

[Margin__Walker]

The situation is getting chronic now - I cant see how a full Spring style lock-down is not inevitable - the government needs to stop dithering on this.

And again the vaccination program needs rocket booster underneath it - the ohh shit we are at war kind of effort must be made.

Yep, whatever it takes. Pull out every stop imaginable to get needles into arms as fast as the stuff is being supplied.

[Jockaline]

Might seem trite after the post above from the nurse, but can I suggest everyone (particularly Bimbo and his like) watches the latest Casualty episode (dedicated to NHS staff dealing with Covid), even if they never have, or never will watch another episode of Casualty again. It was very powerful and brought some of the struggles to life. Great piece of television with a serious message.

[Sandstorm]

Would any of these nurses record themselves on Youtube? Maybe record the doctor telling the family their 35 year old son is too sick to go to ICU? That kind of message needs to global.

Although there’s a good chance many still won’t care.

NHS staff are still being warned of disciplinary action for going on record about covid

China style

[Saint]

The situation is getting chronic now - I cant see how a full Spring style lock-down is not inevitable - the government needs to stop dithering on this.

And again the vaccination program needs rocket booster underneath it - the ohh shit we are at war kind of effort must be made.

Yep, whatever it takes. Pull out every stop imaginable to get needles into arms as fast as the stuff is being supplied.

I would love to be proved wrong, but I suspect that we will easily outstrip supply rates

[Sandstorm]

Agreed. Supply limits will probably (hopefully) be the only reason people have to wait to get vaccinated in UK.

[yermum]

trying to home school two ADHD kids is not something I was hoping to repeat in this incarnation...

I am considering just letting them run feral till things get back to normal.

[tc27]

Ive registered as a vaccine volunteer - not what will come of it.

[fishfoodie]

I'd like to see some, recognition, of the difficulties that children & young adults are going to have from this period; & then to have schools & colleges locked down until the R rate is <1.

What I'm thinking about is that children in exam years get dispensation; & that there is proper, & I mean proper, "Free Education", for them when they do hit University/3rd Level, so that they, & their parents can rest easy, in the knowledge that their disrupted education over the last year+, will never be allowed to impede their path.

I think they should also be encouraged to take gap years before entering 3rd level, so that they can enter when they are ready; & that the Universities should have a legal obligation to ensure they don't dis-enfranchise this unique group. There would also need to be guarantees for other children, that they can take, gap year(s), as there's probably going to be a bit of a cram, with three years graduates trying to get into two years University entrance otherwise.

I think this is necessary; as this group has already suffered; & understandably their parents are concerned that their children will suffer in the future. They will now necessarily suffer more; but the best way that politicians can ensure their parents are reassured is to enshrine in law the rights of these children.

None of this should require more than 5 minutes thought by any Politician; it's a win-win in anyones book.